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Linksys DVD player w/ WiFi and ethernet

An anonymous reader writes "Linksys has announced a progressive scan DVD player with 802.11g and ethernet. Users can stream MPEG2, MPEG4, DivX, MP3, WMA, and other formats from their PC to the TV. Sure I can do this cobbling together other tools, but this is a self contained box even newbies can use. Think how many people could install and config a router and an AP, versus the number of people that can plug in one of the self-contained wireless routers? "

338 comments

  1. Insane in the Mainframe by Benwick · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can't wait to find out which kinds of porn my neighbors prefer...

    1. Re:Insane in the Mainframe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better hope it's not German schiesse midget gay porn! Unless you're into that...uh, yeah.

    2. Re:Insane in the Mainframe by aborchers · · Score: 5, Funny
      Think how many people could install and config a router and an AP, versus the number of people that can plug in one of the self-contained wireless routers?


      Now think of how many of them can secure those routers, and imagine yourself with access to all your neighbors' movie collections!

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    3. Re:Insane in the Mainframe by elmegil · · Score: 5, Funny

      Look honey, Joe's watching the Paris Hilton video again!

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    4. Re:Insane in the Mainframe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

      This is Captain Dexter Smith of the Earth Alliance destroyer Agrippa to Slashdot and the renegade nerds. You're ordered to surrender your computers and yield to our inspection.

    5. Re:Insane in the Mainframe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anal inspection?

    6. Re:Insane in the Mainframe by Dutchmaan · · Score: 4, Funny

      Now think of how many of them can secure those routers, and imagine yourself with access to all your neighbors' movie collections!

      I feel an "I have a dream" speech coming on!

    7. Re:Insane in the Mainframe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Frau Farbissina... wie geht es ihnen?

    8. Re:Insane in the Mainframe by morcheeba · · Score: 1

      I like the "Stop the insanity!" type of porn. The "Save the US Constitution!" type has too much plot, while the "Stop Bush!" seems to defeat the whole purpose of porn.

    9. Re:Insane in the Mainframe by jhoffoss · · Score: 2, Funny

      classic! Maybe it'll even make the user use File & Printer Sharing services in Windows for the movie transfer! How convenient would that be? Open access (maybe a bit of WEP, but AirSnort will take care of that) to everything. Muahahaha.

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    10. Re:Insane in the Mainframe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You betcha.

      Traitors can't hide - their anus.

    11. Re:Insane in the Mainframe by Anonym0us+Cow+Herd · · Score: 1

      So how will the MPAA feel about this? Will they have a knyption hissy fit like the RIAA? Begin lawsuits against anyone who buys this Linksys box?

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    12. Re:Insane in the Mainframe by cyrax777 · · Score: 1

      pay cash adn dont register it no chance of getting sued then.

  2. Gateway has something similiar by Triumph+The+Insult+C · · Score: 4, Informative

    here ya go. my boss has been eyeing one

    and epson just came out with a whoopass hdtv. something like 72", built in photo printer, etc. $4k

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    1. Re:Gateway has something similiar by galaxy300 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah, but the wireless Gateway model only supports 802.11b. I hear that streaming videos suck. The Linksys is exactly what I've been waiting for...if it's under $300 and will play DVD+RW, I'll get it the day it's released.

    2. Re:Gateway has something similiar by Triumph+The+Insult+C · · Score: 1

      yea, i noticed that too.

      gateway has 3 devices. they should combine them into one. dvr+dvd burner+streaming media(wired and wireless). for say, $400, that'd be a pretty sweet deal.

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    3. Re:Gateway has something similiar by strictnein · · Score: 1

      Gateway's, although technically inferior has been out for about 5-6 months now.

    4. Re:Gateway has something similiar by squeegee_boy · · Score: 2, Funny

      built in photo printer, etc.

      Photo printer? The last thing I expected to see in my lifetime was an "out of ink" prompt on my TV.

    5. Re:Gateway has something similiar by visualight · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm already doing this (minus the wireless) on my xbox. When I first read the article I started to wonder if I could get a wireless adapter to work with my xbox/xbox media player, but then I realized that I haven't actually moved my tv since it was purchased.

      Still, I wonder if this will be cheaper than an xbox...

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    6. Re:Gateway has something similiar by GuyinVA · · Score: 1

      Looks like it's using a D-link card. I wonder if you can swap it out for a 802.11G card?

    7. Re:Gateway has something similiar by klui · · Score: 1

      From the press release, it appears the Linksys is wireless only. I would have preferred a 100baseT connection.

    8. Re:Gateway has something similiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What software do you use on xbox?

    9. Re:Gateway has something similiar by trailerparkcassanova · · Score: 1

      No, 11G uses CardBus while 11B uses PCCard. I'm skeptical that the Linksys product will use 11G since the HW/SW from Digital5 (the supplier to Gateway/GoVideo/Oritron/??? to which this sounds identical) only supports PCCard. If they do come up with a 11G PCCard it would max out at less than 16MB/sec.

    10. Re:Gateway has something similiar by Giggles+Of+Doom · · Score: 1

      If you read the whole thing, you'll see it does support a wired connection as well.

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    11. Re:Gateway has something similiar by phre4k · · Score: 1

      It seems om the product page that in only plays mpeg and wma leaving the product useless to me. Most of what i want to see is encoded in divx or xvid.

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    12. Re:Gateway has something similiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, you might actually want to do some research or something first. They have a 802.11G card working in the Gateway.

    13. Re:Gateway has something similiar by -tji · · Score: 4, Informative


      The Gateway product is weak at best..

      It requires proprietary streaming server software, which is only available for Windows. That server software has many restrictions on what it will allow to be sent to the player. For example, it would not allow me to stream my home movies exported to DVD format (or the native Mini-DV, or any other export I tried). It won't import any video with a rate that is > 3Mbps. So, you can basically only do poor quality internet downloaded thumbnail videos.

      The MP3 streaming was okay, but not great. The GUI needs a lot of help. It also requires you to use the streaming server, so any exising song/playlist management you have is useless.

      The JPEG playback was okay, but could be better. It only supported resolution up to 480p, no HD display. It did not allow MP3 playback during the slideshow - only silence. Of course, you had to import your images into the crappy server software.

      A more interesting product is the Roku HD streaming device. http://www.rokulabs.com/ Linux based, open architecture, developers kit & API's, access content via samba (works with Windows, Linux, MacOS), JPEG display at HDTV resolutions, MP3 playback. They had a beta release that supported streaming of HDTV captures.. I'm not sure if that is released yet, or if they support DVD VOBs yet.

    14. Re:Gateway has something similiar by trailerparkcassanova · · Score: 1

      OK, who are they and which 11G card?

    15. Re:Gateway has something similiar by djupedal · · Score: 1
      I hear that streaming videos suck

      Streaming? Maybe, maybe not.

      I can run a DVD on my G4, that is mounted and shared on my iBook, over Airport, with no problems.

    16. Re:Gateway has something similiar by delinx32 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, this is going to make my xbox obsolete. Oh well, I guess I still need to play coleco games on something.

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    17. Re:Gateway has something similiar by maxbang · · Score: 1

      new airport w/ g or old w/ b? because streaming over b does suck horribly.

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    18. Re:Gateway has something similiar by delinx32 · · Score: 1

      xboxmediaplayer, XBMP for short, or xboxmediacenter which is newer, but buggier. Doh, another darn DMCA violation revealed in a post.

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    19. Re:Gateway has something similiar by RedX · · Score: 5, Informative

      According to this note, with a firmware upgrade to the Gateway player, it will support a Linksys 802.11g card. No idea if other cards are supported. The link also includes a good review of the Gateway. I've been eyeing this device for a few weeks now, about to pull the trigger on a purchase, so this Linksys announcement is timely.

    20. Re:Gateway has something similiar by epiphani · · Score: 1

      Until linksys strongarms broadcom into opening their 802.11g chipset so we can have a native linux driver, I'll be avoiding this product. I already threw $500 at linksys 802.11g hardware (which advertises the fact that their router uses linux), to discover that they had not released the code.

      All I'm asking for here is GPL compliance. I want to be able to make use of the PCI NICs i bought so I can mount my router in the basement and leave it there.

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    21. Re:Gateway has something similiar by rsborg · · Score: 1
      Yeah, but the wireless Gateway model only supports 802.11b. I hear that streaming videos suck.

      Not to mention, it's missing MPEG4 playback... streaming MPEG4 over wireless? difficult. Streaming MPEG2 over wireless? fuggetaboutit.

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    22. Re:Gateway has something similiar by djupedal · · Score: 1

      old w/b... It's not streaming. The file is read, and then decoding is done, on the client end.

    23. Re:Gateway has something similiar by trailerparkcassanova · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nowhere in that blog does it say Linksys 11G cards are supported with a firmware upgrade. I'm a participant on that blog. It does say they are not recognized. The HW doesn't support CardBus.

    24. Re:Gateway has something similiar by cloudmaster · · Score: 1

      Epson put out a High Definition Telivision with a built in printer? Can I get my next coffe maker with a built in shoe polisher, then? How about a combination piano and shotgun?

      Sigh. :)

    25. Re:Gateway has something similiar by Wonko42 · · Score: 1
      It won't import any video with a rate that is > 3Mbps. So, you can basically only do poor quality internet downloaded thumbnail videos.

      I can't speak to the quality of Gateway's device, since I've never used it, but if you're downloading 2Mbps videos that are "poor quality internet downloaded thumbnail videos", then whoever encoded them must be a muppet.

      I've found that XviD and DivX yield reasonably good quality (meaning not quite perfect, but very watchable) results at 1.3 to 1.6Mbps with resolutions of approximately 608x336. If the Gateway box will play anything under 3Mbps, that gives you plenty of room for a nice high quality encoding job. With a good two-pass encode at 2.5Mbps, I doubt most people would be able to discern the difference between the encoded video and the source DVD (assuming that's what you're encoding from).

      I stream my 1.3-1.6Mbps videos wirelessly to my 46" HDTV via a homemade HTPC, and they look wonderful.

    26. Re:Gateway has something similiar by holland_g · · Score: 1
      I just tried to put my Linksys G card in, and when I booted, the DVD player told me that there was no card present. Apparently, the DVD player that I got was one that needed the firmware upgrade (stoopid me should have checked that first), and since I applied the upgrade, the video is flying. Bringing up that first mpeg and the quality that it was in made this purchase worth every dime. (But I still wish there was DVD-R/RW support...)


      I think that this comment could be interpreted to say that the 802.11G card is supported.

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    27. Re:Gateway has something similiar by LinuxHam · · Score: 1

      The last thing I expected to see in my lifetime was an "out of ink" prompt on my TV

      "PC LOAD LETTER?!?! WTF does THAT mean???"

      Sorry. :)

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    28. Re:Gateway has something similiar by spike+hay · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, but the wireless Gateway model only supports 802.11b. I hear that streaming videos suck. The Linksys is exactly what I've been waiting for...if it's under $300 and will play DVD+RW, I'll get it the day it's released.

      Nah. You are probably thinking of streaming video over the internet, which nearly always, buffering... buffering...buffering... sucks. With things like Real Video, most people's internet connection isn't nearly fast enough to stream anything remotely resembling good quality. Over a LAN, however, those concerns are unfounded.

      Tip top, exceedingly high dvd quality divx or xvid is only about 1500 kbps bitrate. Plus 160 kbps audio and you only have 1.7 megabits. Far under the speed of 100 mbps LAN, although it may test the speed of 802.11b, which has about a 5 mbps real world speed, I've heard. Keep in mind that that example was really high quality divx. Most divx video has bitrates of a megabit or less.

      DVD MPEG2 video is of course much harder, as you have video bitrates of 6, 8 or more megabits. But you don't get DVD video over the internet, so you might as well just play it on the Linksys' dvd player.

      The vast majority of people would be using this device with a ethernet connection. That would stream any video you could throw at at. And an 802.11B connection would handle divx just fine.

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    29. Re:Gateway has something similiar by galaxy300 · · Score: 1

      PC Magazine calls video performace "spotty". I was not referring to "internet streaming", but of the many reviews for these 802.11b media hub type devices, which almost always reference the poor video quality.

    30. Re:Gateway has something similiar by mlrtime · · Score: 1



      The Roku, while nice is about $300 more than the gateway. $500 is out of the price range of most people considering the Gateway or Linksys devices.

  3. I'll buy it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    when it runs ogg.

    1. Re:I'll buy it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it will play ogg if its based on the sigma designs chip. probably will because linksys has quite the experience with running linux on wireless embedded systems.

    2. Re:I'll buy it by jridley · · Score: 1

      It'll play ogg just fine, same way that the slimp3 from slimdevices.com does; just stream the ogg through an mp3 encoder on the PC; you can run the bitrate as high as you need to in order to preserve your sound quality.

  4. Nifty and Spiffy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...but WHY? I dont get it.

    1. Re:Nifty and Spiffy by Douglas+Simmons · · Score: 2

      So you can watch your zero day bittorrent mpegs on your home theater in the living room without having to use 30 feet of RCA cables to get the signal to your TV from your analog video/sound outs (or a wireless tranceiver if you can afford one). This is a good thing because doing it the analog way will make the quality suck, especially if you're using a long stretch of RCAs; whereas Linksys's product will achieve the same [somewhat] losslessly.

    2. Re:Nifty and Spiffy by Satan+Dumpling · · Score: 1

      Obviously your computer is too far from your TV. I have 'puter with an All-In-Wonder, TV, cablebox, 5.1 stereo, PS2, DVD, NES, VCR all on the same living room wall all wired up! :) Who needs a stinkin' transmitter!

  5. missing stuff by proj_2501 · · Score: 2, Informative

    No HDCD playing, and no SACD playing. Blarg!

    1. Re:missing stuff by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 1
      No HDCD playing, and no SACD playing. Blarg!

      And no Ogg Vorbis support! How dare they not conform to the whims of techno-elitists.

    2. Re:missing stuff by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      No HDCD playing, and no SACD playing. Blarg!

      1. Wait till *SDDA [Super Duper Disk Audio] gets hacked
      2. Buy disks, decode to PCM / WAV... Stream to device
      3. Profit? Or rather, enjoy the damn disk you payed money for.

      *SDDA is a generic term that applies to all disc media that supplies audio content above and beyond the specificications of normal CD.

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    3. Re:missing stuff by proj_2501 · · Score: 1

      or simply buy a dvd player that supports these instead of the linksys player? much much easier

    4. Re:missing stuff by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "No HDCD playing, and no SACD playing. Blarg! "

      No Midi or RealMedia support either, BLARG!

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    5. Re:missing stuff by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      Much easier if these standards continue to be supported in your DVD player of choice.

      For me to accept a new standard.... I must have some assurance I can convert it... without going through that annoying DA/AD conversion.

      Besides... why the hell should I have to BUY a new player, i'm happy with my current one. Damn happy in fact. Why the hell should I have to shell out more bucks to stick something else in my stack, esp since I got a PC that can actually deal with a wide varity of formats.

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    6. Re:missing stuff by proj_2501 · · Score: 1

      CALM DOWN! Relax. I didn't say you were forced to do anything. In fact, you can listen to SACD and HDCD on any CD player, so don't get all upset when I want to listen to the same disc in my car in stereo and in 5.1 in my house.

    7. Re:missing stuff by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      CALM DOWN! Relax. I didn't say you were forced to do anything. In fact, you can listen to SACD and HDCD on any CD player, so don't get all upset when I want to listen to the same disc in my car in stereo and in 5.1 in my house.

      I have the ability to play 5.1 media... However, if I want to play *their* media... I am required to buy an SACD or HDCD, or DVD-A or whatever what not, until such time that one of the SDDA (super duper disk audio) standards are cracked and I can decode from my pc... and re-encode to the approperate format.

      Besides... even on my old 2.2 set.... I can do 96/24bit so long as I have the file.

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  6. WEP by wally+mean+monkey · · Score: 5, Funny

    Do I get in trouble for watching pornography if the neighbor kid hijacks my wireless?

    1. Re:WEP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      i'm sure there is a wi-fi on off switch you cockface

    2. Re:WEP by damohasi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Seems no real hijacking needed. Can't imagine whey will switch on WEP or even IPSEC by default. So finally we can start hacking all those little tools or neighbors recently ordered.

      But maybe this starts a new era of "going to the movies". You can ask your neighbour what he's going to watch this eve...

    3. Re:WEP by jhoffoss · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Even better, can we hijack someone else's stream and force them to watch what we pump to their box? Imagine forcing someone to watch barney all the time? Then when they get near death from barney, they'll throw the new toy away for some peace and quiet and then nab it from the curb. Voila, free wireless AP/PVR/streaming server!

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    4. Re:WEP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "he said 'jacks'...uh, huh huh. huh."

    5. Re:WEP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not much different than if you live in an apt (or dorm room) and you go to the communal wiring closet and feed your output to your neighbors input. people on my floor in college did this and forced us to watch some horrible pRon. it was terrible ;)

      at least with this you can turn off your wireless - with regular swapped wires you are stuck until you swap the cables back. yes, the wires are easily traced, etc... but the point is that making someone watch what you force to them is nothing new.

    6. Re:WEP by hchaos · · Score: 1
      Do I get in trouble for watching pornography if the neighbor kid hijacks my wireless?
      Since this unit is just a receiver, not a transmitter, you won't get into any trouble as long as the only porn you watch on your TV is from DVD's, and not downloaded from the Internet (without transferring it to DVD or VCD first, of course).
  7. New meme: War Viewing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    New meme: War Viewing

    You heard it here first kids.

    -Dave

    1. Re:New meme: War Viewing by chaos242 · · Score: 1

      Heee heee, that's what I was gonna say.

    2. Re:New meme: War Viewing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    3. Re:New meme: War Viewing by tbase · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I may have heard it here first, but it was quite a while ago in an article showing how to configure a backpack and small LCD screen so you could walk around and view wireless cameras. Had nothing to do with 802.11x

      Some guy bought one of those wireless camera/receiver combos and hooked the receiver up in his backpack with a little LCD screen. Then he walked around a big city and interecepted security cams and such. I think his conclusion was it was really boring. :-)

      At least with one of these you might get to see some more interesting things... I wonder how long it will be before someone develops a PC based client for the server software for these media boxes. Although the transmission protocol may be standard, I imagine the server and stream formats are all different between this one, Gateway's, and the handful of other ones on the market. That would make "war viewing" pretty difficult.

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    4. Re:New meme: War Viewing by malfunct · · Score: 1

      Eh, its probably just a raw mpeg2 or mpeg4 stream, I'm sure its not that hard to handle. Since its all on a private network where there isn't supposed to be any fear of "signal theft" I doubt they would put any special wrappings around the data.

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    5. Re:New meme: War Viewing by jafac · · Score: 2, Funny

      In the case of pr0n. . .

      WarFapping.

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    6. Re:New meme: War Viewing by Jardine · · Score: 1

      There was a similar article in 2600 magazine. Except the guy drove with it. He used an X10 receiver and a small TV from Radioshack. Probably would have been smarter to bring a passenger with him to monitor the TV rather than splitting his attention between the road and TV, but he was able to cover a lot more ground than by walking.

    7. Re:New meme: War Viewing by bobbozzo · · Score: 1

      It might use SMB (Windows filesharing protocol).

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    8. Re:New meme: War Viewing by malfunct · · Score: 1

      Seems more likely they would use http on a port other than 80 because its a bit easier to implement. But the data in the body wouldn't be hidden in any special way.

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  8. place your bets... by SuperBanana · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Anyone want to place bets on how long before ____Insert OSS project here____ finds their work on it?

    Take your pick- busybox, mplayer...the linux kernel(with modified drivers based on GPL of course)...

    1. Re:place your bets... by LinuxHam · · Score: 1

      I'd like to wait and see if slim devices comes out with a competing product.. obviously they are very supportive of our community, and I think they'd do a fine job.

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  9. Useful... by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny
    Users can stream MPEG2, MPEG4, DivX, MP3, WMA, and other formats from their PC to the TV. Sure I can do this cobbling together other tools, but this is a self contained box even newbies can use. Think how many people could install and config a router and an AP, versus the number of people that can plug in one of the self-contained wireless routers? "

    Pilot: There's that movie playing on the HUD again.

    Co Pilot: It's the *&%#$ Matrix: Revolutions, again.

    Pilot: Let's do a barrel roll and see if we can lose that geeks DVD player, buckle up.

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    1. Re:Useful... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah the Matrix is everywhere these days...

    2. Re:Useful... by BlunderTech · · Score: 1

      LOL! You deserve an award for that.

  10. DON"T BUY IT YET! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This device is version 1.0! They haven't patched it to prevent the runaway wireless goatse from rearing its ugly mouth at you!

    1. Re:DON"T BUY IT YET! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Dude, that's not his mouth... ::shudders::

  11. At Last! by jobsagoodun · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now I can stream Ratchet and Clank from my PS2 through my Happauage BTTV card, grab it with Mplayer, out of my PC 'cross the network to my wireless access point and on to my TV!! Its the missing link I've been waiting for!

    1. Re:At Last! by KE1LR · · Score: 2, Funny
      "from my PS2 through my Happauage BTTV card, grab it with Mplayer, out of my PC 'cross the network to my wireless access point and on to my TV"

      ... and nothing but net!

      Sorry, couldn't resist.

    2. Re:At Last! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn, you beat me to it! That was the first thing I thought of too.

    3. Re:At Last! by merlin_jim · · Score: 1

      Now I can stream Ratchet and Clank from my PS2 through my Happauage BTTV card, grab it with Mplayer, out of my PC 'cross the network to my wireless access point and on to my TV!! Its the missing link I've been waiting for!

      With a wireless RF controller or two, this actually might be a good thing, as long as you don't want to play a different game very often :D

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    4. Re:At Last! by Zathrus · · Score: 1

      And don't mind a second or two of lag between controller input and response.

    5. Re:At Last! by merlin_jim · · Score: 1

      And don't mind a second or two of lag between controller input and response.

      Well if you've got hardware encoding in the card you should only see a frame (maybe another one for packet-stitching on the receive end) of lag...

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    6. Re:At Last! by Zathrus · · Score: 1

      Maybe if you don't write the data to disk and then read it back out... plus there's simply propogation delays involved in the rather large number of circuits between you and the source and the transmission w/ all of its overhead.

      I know that with TiVo (which does it all in hardware, but has the disk write/read) there's roughly a 1.5 second delay. It gets real fun to use menu screens from a STB.

  12. Ouch by tbase · · Score: 3, Funny

    Think how many people could install and config a router and an AP, versus the number of people that can plug in one of the self-contained wireless routers? "

    That sentence makes my head hurt. What does this have to do with the Press Release? Nobody configures these things anyhow. Is LinkSys still publishing a warning in their WAP docs not to change the default security settings? It's like if Schlage put a warning on their door locks not to lock the door, or you might not be able to get in your house. I bet it cuts down on the support calls. :-)

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    1. Re:Ouch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PS2s have a numeric password for DVDs. While reading the manual, I discovered that there is a code that resets the password. Kinda defeats the purpose, huh?

    2. Re:Ouch by tomhudson · · Score: 1
      PS2s have a numeric password for DVDs. While reading the manual, I discovered that there is a code that resets the password.
      No wonder you posted anonymously. Nobody here RTFMs
  13. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2, Funny

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  14. Re:first! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, just you.

  15. Now this I really like! by soluzar22 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm well aware that I'm in the minority, but I believe that convergence in the form which the megacorps are currently attempting to foist upon us is a dead horse which they are attempting to flog.

    This on the other hand is my idea of the future. A single, well thought-out component of a larger, modular system. Having a PC with a nice screen instead of a telly is one thing. Having all the media files that are on your PC availible across a wireless network through this handy little gizmo is quite another. Where can I get one? When can I get one? This could cut down on just so of the many (frankly worrying) chunks of wire spaghetti that currently run between PC and TC/HiFi.

    1. Re:Now this I really like! by tbase · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Just get a PisimiQ - they've been out for months. ThinkGeek carries them, and you can surf the web and e-mail with it too. Or you could get Lite-On's DVD player that plays DivX from Data DVD-R/+R's. I agree it's a good concept, but I think they're a little late. And personally, I'd rather have the "spaghetti" of a single ethernet cable rather than worry about the MicroWave on the other side of the wall screwing up my movie when I'm nuking a bag of popcorn - not to mention what happens when your next door neighbor gets the same box and decides to hook it up to a cantenna :-)

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    2. Re:Now this I really like! by jCaT · · Score: 1

      1. I've heard the prismiq is pretty awful.. just looking at their support forums shows that people are having trouble getting even the basic functionality of the box to work without crashing. It looks as though the people that have one now are essentially beta testing the product for them... even though it shipping.

      2. you'd better hope your neighbor is using a cantenna... since that's a directional antenna, you shouldn't have any problems unless he's pointing it at your TV. :D

      3. The bandwidth required to stream a divx file across the network really isn't that huge... your average 20-minute tv show is about 160mb, or 8mb/min- which works out to a little over a megabit. Even on a congested network (as long as there are no drop-outs) it should work fine.

    3. Re:Now this I really like! by tbase · · Score: 1

      Ouch! :-) I guess that's what's behind SnapStream dropping all references to the prismiq from their site. A while back they were saying they were going to be able to "seamlessly integrate" with the prisimiq.

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    4. Re:Now this I really like! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DivX support is a vital feature, IMO. Apparently, the PRISMIQ only does mpeg.

    5. Re:Now this I really like! by kableh · · Score: 1

      1. Buy Xbox
      2. Install $5 flash chip with hacked bios
      3. Load XBox Media Player/Center, pointed to SMB/CIFS share
      4. Profit?

      If you want an open box that can stream just about any format you throw at it, you can't beat a hacked Xbox. It takes work, but these days that is the only way around the upcoming DRM nightmare.

      And my Xbox has a remote, just like any other appliance. Most people can figure it out without any prompting from me. Huzzah!

    6. Re:Now this I really like! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even more important: This will finally cut the gordian ground loop. If I have to buy one more ground breaker and suffer from the subsequent loss of signal quality, I'm going to go nuts.

  16. But.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Linksys does not offer Linux drivers for it's 802.11g products (nor does Broadcom, maker of Linksys chips) so unless you wish to shell out 20 bucks to Linuxant or wait until someone finally writes a driver for the FSF, you're SOL.
    (I'm fighting this issue right now, so, yes Virginia, I'm a frustrated user!)

    1. Re:But.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So don't buy a linksys card for your PC.

      That's why 802.11g is a standard

    2. Re:But.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to encourage your trollishness, but I already had bought the card (works great in Windows, and I get it to work fine using the 30 day demo driver from Linuxant) so I'm not throwing away 70 bucks just because I don't have a stinking driver yet.
      and it IS a 802.11G card (actually it does both B and G).
      Nice attempt at a troll, though.

    3. Re:But.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not trolling. Your POS Linksys wireless card has nothing to do with the ability to get a real network card working on your linux box and hook into this little device. That's where the standard comes into place. Any other card can communicate with this box.

      So sorry that you bought a linksys card for your linux box. Should have done a bit of research on that first. You wouldn't buy a centrino-equipped laptop for a linux distro, would you?

    4. Re:But.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moron.

    5. Re:But.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But if you use Linux you can just code your own drivers right? And if you cannot code device drivers then RTFM right? Because L1nuX T0rV@lD!s rul3z!!! Micr0$0ft suCkHorXz dud3!!1!

    6. Re:But.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Buttwipe

    7. Re:But.... by delinx32 · · Score: 1

      God I wish I had mod points, that's the funniest thing I ever read(lately).

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  17. Hmmm, is this a bit of CYA?? by bckrispi · · Score: 2, Funny
    Users can stream ...videos ...from their PC to the TV. This feature is ideal for subscribers of internet movie services.

    Yeaaaaah, that's their market. I'm willing to bet that every penny lost by the RIAA/MPAA due to *piracy* has been made up tenfold by companies that make ripping movies and music even easier and more convenient. Just like Sony Music screaming about dropping cd sales while Sony Electronics cashes in on portable MP3 Players.

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    1. Re:Hmmm, is this a bit of CYA?? by WatertonMan · · Score: 1
      While this is funny, I suspect that some of these technologies are testing the waters for the future. I think the MPAA sees the difficulties of the RIAA and knows they can't dawdle around like the RIAA did. The future is in broadband and if they don't get the video equivalent of iTMS going then they'll end up in a world of hurt. While video downloads aren't significant now, look at all the advertising they are doing to cut things off at the pass.

      The problem is that a iTMS equivalent for video requires some level of TV/Computer convergence. Yet I think Steve Jobs is right that people don't want a computer on their video system. You interact with the two quite differently. The solution to this is to use the computer to get the content and then have a component in your stereo/video system to play it. I suspect we'll see more of these. The first generation really aren't quite there yet.

      The interesting question to me is what Apple has planned for this. While I fully agree with Jobs' critique of the Microsoft Media Center and look-a-likes, there clearly is some relationship. If Apple gets in there and makes a deal with the MPAA that would be great for them. Unfortunately I suspect Microsoft may trump Apple or Real here and get videos in WMP9 format with that awful interface and approach to things.

  18. Re:first! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, I have been punished with too many mod points lately, I never get to post anymore :-(

  19. Before you buy... by Seth+Finklestein · · Score: 0, Informative

    ...you should know that Linksys has no respect for the GPL, and only agreed to release its source code for $10 after threats of litigation.

    This is not a company that you should support.

    Sincerely,
    Seth Finklestein
    Open Source Company Watchdog

    --
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    1. Re:Before you buy... by Per+Wigren · · Score: 2, Informative

      That looks like downloadable sourcecode .tar.gz-files to me...

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    2. Re:Before you buy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so why wasn't any legal action taken? has the GPL ever even been tried in court? maybe it's about time...

    3. Re:Before you buy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...you should know that Linksys has no respect for the GPL, and only agreed to release its source code for $10 after threats of litigation.

      Whaaa... They won't burn the files onto a CD and mail it to me for free??? Capitalist BASTARDS!

      I could just download it... But then I'll have to pay for my own bandwidth! BASTARDS! I'll never buy something from them!

      Sincerely,
      Anonymous Coward
      -Laughing my ass off.

    4. Re:Before you buy... by hysma · · Score: 1

      I suppose my local LUG has no respect for the GPL either... selling those Red Hat, Suse, etc. CD-Rs for $5.

    5. Re:Before you buy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They release the sources via the web, but also charge a paltry $10 for a CD if you're internet challenged. Both of these are 100% in compliance with the GPL.

      They're in compliance. Get over it.

    6. Re:Before you buy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      go back to sleep...the joke has passed you by.....

    7. Re:Before you buy... by Christopher_G_Lewis · · Score: 1

      um...
      you included the link to the *free* downloads...
      I guess the cost of the mouse click is too much for you...

    8. Re:Before you buy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice troll. Do people not even READ your signature?

    9. Re:Before you buy... by MerlynEmrys67 · · Score: 1
      If you'd read the license you would see that the source must be provided. And if YOU look, there is nothing that says they have to eat the cost of media & shipping...

      10 bucks for burning/mailing a CD seems approximately reasonable - you can download it for free as well

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    10. Re:Before you buy... by harryk · · Score: 1

      You twit! Did you even read the page you linked to?

      If you would like a copy of the GPL source code in Linksys products on a CD, please send $9.99 to Linksys for the costs of preparing and mailing the CD to you.

      READ NEXT TIME!

      however the sources can be downloaded right there!

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    11. Re:Before you buy... by Seth+Finklestein · · Score: 0

      I'm brilliant. The morons that call me a "twit" turn signatures off. It makes them bloody simple and bloody simple to troll.

      I'd like to thank my parents, Ayn Rand and God for making this happen.

      Sincerely,
      Seth Finklestein
      Read My Signature, Damn It

      --
      I'm not Seth Finkelstein. I still speak the truth.
  20. Neat device, but... by skidoo2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's a growing segment of the Joe Electronics Consumer population that's currently leapfrogging right over it. Most plasma TVs these days have an RGB input (standard VGA plug).

    My 42" Samsung knockoff can do 1024x768, no problems. Even text looks great from the couch. The PC is tucked incospicuously out of the way. Although I have a regular progressive scan Sony DVD Player hooked directly to the TV, the PC of course has a DVD player, in addition to an 802.11g connection, an ATI AIW TV tuner card, and a giant hard drive.

    Granted, the price point is a little higher, but the feature set is a LOT higher.

    1. Re:Neat device, but... by jridley · · Score: 1

      I'm interested in one as well, but I have a 27" cheapo TV. I'm not really interested in having a TV that ownz my living room, but I'd kind of like to be able to watch some DivX's from there. This'll be sweet for that.
      It'd be silly for me to hook a computer up with a 320x240 res 27" TV as its only output. So this player hits a real need for me.

    2. Re:Neat device, but... by skidoo2 · · Score: 1

      > I'm not really interested in having a TV that ownz my living room...

      That's why you get a smallish (42" or so) flat-panel plasma. The suckers are only about 6 inches deep. If anything, it de-emphasizes the television GREATLY. I've re-claimed several square feet of space in each of my dens and bedrooms and whatnot.

      And it greatly expands your TV furniture options. You can switch to cool pedestal-type pieces, e.g. relatively small two-drawer open-top chests and things, as oppposed to giant domineering armoirs or their (in my opinion) ugly "modern" alternatives.

    3. Re:Neat device, but... by jridley · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm not talking about square feet of floor space, I'm talking about mindspace. It's a LIVING room, not a tv-watching zombie room. I will probably have a big screen TV some day, when I finish a room in the basement to devote to it. But I won't have a room that is completely dominated by a huge TV. Many of my friends have them, and IMHO they make a room look horrible.

    4. Re:Neat device, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cheapest 42" plasma I see at futureshop (canuck dollars) is 4000$ for a SVA, make it 6000 for a company you actually heard of before (samsung). Unless his cheapo 27" TV is put on top of a pile of cash, I doubt that it's a smart buy. That TV is worth more than the combined value of two of my friends cars (though it's their fault for still being students).

    5. Re:Neat device, but... by madcow_ucsb · · Score: 1

      Yeah my friend's got a nice 1024x1024 fujitsu plasma. He had his computer on it for a bit (never managed to get the PC to display in widescreen though)

      Looked great, but watch out for the burn-in. You'll be seing the task bar for a while when you switch back to TV.

      This plasma's 3-4 years old so maybe things are somewhat better now, but be careful! I think he'd kill himself if he damaged it (the thought of watching non-HDTV programs is just barbaric to him now)

    6. Re:Neat device, but... by skidoo2 · · Score: 1

      > But I won't have a room that is completely dominated by a huge TV.

      Dude, what I'm saying is that with a reasonable-sized plasma the room is definitely NOT dominated by the TV. But you also get a pleasant picture.

      A decent-sized plasma TV (but not TOO big) doesn't automatically turn a room into a "tv-watching zombie room." That's strictly predicated upon the behavior of the inhabitants.

    7. Re:Neat device, but... by Prince+Vegeta+SSJ4 · · Score: 1

      True, I have a 5 minute screen saver and make sure I never have a static image for longer that a half hour - not hard since I only use it for quick surfing or visualizations (no problems yet, keeping my fingers crossed)

    8. Re:Neat device, but... by jridley · · Score: 1

      OK, maybe. When they get under $500 I'll think about it, but I want to be able to expect it to last 10 years, like my previous TVs have.

    9. Re:Neat device, but... by Jardine · · Score: 1

      I will probably have a big screen TV some day, when I finish a room in the basement to devote to it.

      Have you considered a decent projection system? They're getting to the point now that you don't even necesarily need a screen. You can sit it on the coffee table or mount it on the ceiling out of the way so it doesn't exactly dominate the room unless it's actually on. The biggest problem I've heard of is the affordable ones don't do well with sunlight coming in. If you're going to be in a basement, that probably doesn't matter much.

    10. Re:Neat device, but... by jridley · · Score: 1

      Yes, I almost certainly will get a projector. Some of the new DLP units are very impressive.

  21. Xbox. by talon77 · · Score: 1

    My xbox does this now.

    1. Re:Xbox. by netfall · · Score: 2, Insightful

      but how many people would want to open up their xbox and mess around with even just the pogo pin stuff, let alone solder their own mod chip. and then to flash the chip!?! install the dashboard!?!
      ok - you and I have obviously done this, but i don't know anyone in the general consumer market who would even think of doing this.
      if they want to pay me to do it for them though... that's another issue :)

    2. Re:Xbox. by Alex_Ionescu · · Score: 2, Informative

      There's actually software mods now that do this after booting from a CD by using one of the 2 exploits (Audio CD and font files). Plus there's 3 games that have another exploit if you use a special corrupted save game with the executable code. Ta-da, no more need to open up the xbox/solder/pogo-pins.

      Plus the xbox can play games and run a variety of other applications (web server etc..) Can this DVD player do that? Nope. (oh not to mention it supports every single possible video format out there that exists on Linux/mplayer/windows, including QT/RA/Ogg)

    3. Re:Xbox. by ikewillis · · Score: 2, Informative
      "My xbox does this now."

      Neither the official DVD player (provided you've purchased the remote) or the stock DVDX2 (the foremost DVD player for the XBox for the uninitiated) support progressive scan playback of DVDs. There are hacked versions of DVDX2 floating around which do, but unless you've specifically found one of these chances are DVDX2 is using 480i for playback, if you're even using component output.

      Also keep in mind that any XBEs you are using which are built with pirated versions of Microsoft's XDK are infringing on their copyright and are technically illegal.

    4. Re:Xbox. by netfall · · Score: 1

      oh don't get me wrong, i love my x-box and all of it's wonderful capabilities - i wouldn't give it up or replace it for the world.
      i'm just saying that this linksys box is meant to cater to the people who don't have the know-how or ambition to mod their x-box for similar purposes.

    5. Re:Xbox. by talon77 · · Score: 0, Troll

      "Neither the official DVD player (provided you've purchased the remote) or the stock DVDX2 (the foremost DVD player for the XBox for the uninitiated) support progressive scan playback of DVDs. There are hacked versions of DVDX2 floating around which do, but unless you've specifically found one of these chances are DVDX2 is using 480i for playback, if you're even using component output

      What? Here, learn something.

      http://www.xboxmediaplayer.de/info_project.htm

  22. Region free? by AtariAmarok · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Will this thing do "region-free" with a few menu commands? That's a must for me. "Turn off macrovison" is nice, but less crucual.

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    1. Re:Region free? by interiot · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you have a laptop with TV-out already, just buy the 802.11g stuff, and buy this that hacks most current PC DVD software to be region-free, macrovision-free, yadda yadda yadda, and there you go... If you have a modern laptop already, it's 1) probably cheaper than buying a separate DVD player, and 2) just as small and quiet.

    2. Re:Region free? by interiot · · Score: 1

      (plus it obviously supports Ogg/divx/everything, has winamp and all your favorite players, and has a non-sucky UI including a real file explorer with mouse input, etc...)

    3. Re:Region free? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everything is less crucual when you live in your parents basement!

    4. Re:Region free? by bobbozzo · · Score: 1

      Other concerns:

      Can it be upgraded to support new formats (next ver of DivX or whatever)?

      If not, can Linux run on it (Freevo or MythTV might be nice)?

      How much?

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  23. hmmmm...pr0n by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now I can stream pr0n to my neighbor's TV

  24. Password is "admin" by blumpy · · Score: 1

    That's all you'll need to see your what your neighbors are watching.

  25. Huh? by tambo · · Score: 5, Interesting
    A progressive-scan player that takes input from your computer? Hmm... storing a lot of home-theatre-quality, progressive-scan video with 6.1 sound on a hard drive doesn't fit today's drive capacities or wireless speeds. Won't be feasible without drives hit the terabyte range and gigabit wireless.

    What would be much more useful would be a DVD player that hooks up to your TV, but can DIVX encode video (from DVD or any other video source) and stream over 802.11g to another TV, or to your computer for archiving and storage. That way, your TV gets a perfect picture from your DVD player, and your computer can receive and save streams of lower-quality video for any purpose.

    - David Stein

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    1. Re:Huh? by skidoo2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But why would you stream the encoded DVD **FROM** the TV to a computer (for storage)?? Why wouldn't you just put the DVD directly into the DVD player on the computer? It might be a little more useful to stream an encoded TV broadcast to an arbitrary computer, but even that is of limited practical value, since we now have the magic combination of 802.11g and powerful, inexpensive TV tuner cards (and related software).

    2. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no such thing as progressive-scan video. Progressive scan relates to the displaying of the video, not how it is stored. Progressive means nothing more than non-interlaced.

    3. Re:Huh? by *weasel · · Score: 1

      i think the idea is that it does proscan dvd (which is essentially standard equipment anymore) and it can stream other data from a wireless network to your tv.

      basically, a dvd player with built-in 'view your pron on your big screen' functionality.

      which in marketing speak translates to:
      'share pictures of your loving wife and children'...
      with a slideshow feature for convenience...
      and mpg support for ... vacation movies... ;p

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    4. Re:Huh? by -tji · · Score: 1

      Actually, the video is encoded in either progressive or interlaced format, so that is how it is stored on the disk.

      In the specific case of DVD's, they are all encoded in interlaced format, and if the player is progressive capable, it can combine interlaced fields to make progressive frames. The process for doing this accounts for much of the quality difference among various DVD players.

      But, for other files/formats, the video can be encoded as progressive frames, thus eliminating the need for the player to de-interlace the content (and any artifacting that this implies). HDTV 720P programs are one example of progressive MPEG2 streams/files. I can also export my MiniDV to 480P progressive frames.

    5. Re:Huh? by tambo · · Score: 1
      But why would you stream the encoded DVD **FROM** the TV to a computer (for storage)??

      Look at it this way: Do you want your DVD player in the computer room, or in the living room? Do you want to have to walk all the way to the den in order to change discs?

      Similarly, in theory you want to store your DVDs close to your DVD player - do you want to keep your DVDs in the computer room or living room?

      Look: You want a DVD player that can (a) send a high-quality signal to a TV, and (b) send a lower-quality (but smaller-volume) stream to your computer. Consider each of these:

      The first can only be achieved if the DVD player is connected to the TV.

      The second can be done by a DVD player in the living room with a WiFi card, or by a DVD-ROM drive in your computer room. The advantage of the former is that any video stream running through the DVD player could be encoded by the hardware - a DVD, a VHS stream, a TV channel signal, even your videogame console. So you could record any of this by the same mechanism as backing up a DVD - if the DVD player is within your HT setup.

      - David Stein

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      Computer over. Virus = very yes.
    6. Re:Huh? by ryanwright · · Score: 1

      Look at it this way: Do you want your DVD player in the computer room, or in the living room? Do you want to have to walk all the way to the den in order to change discs?

      In the computer room, and yes. Do you know how nice a living room looks when the only visible equipment is (1) A TV, (2) Speakers, and (3) An 8" touchpanel for control & feedback of the entire system? It's beautiful, let me tell you. No rack full of crap like a receiver, vcr, dvd player, tivo, satellite receiver, etc. No big ugly rack full of DVDs. Just a nice, clean entertainment room.

      Are we that lazy that we can't walk across the house to change discs? I do it all the time. How often are you changing discs, anyway? If someone can't get off his fat ass and take a short walk once every 2 hours to put a new disc in, there are serious problems.

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    7. Re:Huh? by mibus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hmm... storing a lot of home-theatre-quality, progressive-scan video with 6.1 sound on a hard drive doesn't fit today's drive capacities or wireless speeds. Won't be feasible without drives hit the terabyte range and gigabit wireless.

      Nah. If DVDs take up [at most!] 8-9GB, and I have 120GB+ of storage (not uncommon amongst me & my friends) then I think you'll find we can store quite a bit. DVD bitrates max out at 10Mbps, which 802.11b can theoretically handle (11Mpbs) and 802.11g should be able to handle just fine.

      SDTV has miserably low bitrates (~1.2Mbps IIRC?).

      I recently had some DVDs that wouldn't play on any of my DVD players (faulty discs, they've since been returned) - luckily my PC's DVD-ROM drive is a bit better with them. I did a rip-to-divx, fling-over-wireless-to-laptop, display-on-TV, and the quality wasn't all that bad. I really should have upped the bitrate, but hey I was slack :)

      Of course, it all changes if you want to do multiple streams... and 25 DVDs-worth may not be considered "a lot" of data.

    8. Re:Huh? by Phexro · · Score: 1

      DVDs are not all encoded as interlaced video.

      Stuff originally shot on (NTSC) video is (obviously) encoded as 29.970fps interlaced, but for film it should be encoded 23.976fps progressive. Your DVD player does the 3:2 pulldown for 480i (NTSC TV) output.

      There are still some discs that have 24fps film encoded to 29.970fps with a 3:2 pulldown, but they're becoming more scarce. Good thing, too, since it's a waste of bits.

    9. Re:Huh? by -tji · · Score: 1

      Here is a FAQ entry from a DVD site:

      There's enormous confusion about whether DVD video is progressive or interlaced. Here's the one true answer: Progressive-source video (such as from film) is usually encoded on DVD as interlaced field pairs that can be re-interleaved by a progressive player to recreate the original progressive video.

      The video is encoded in interlaced form, for direct playback on the 99% of TV's that are standard NTSC SDTV's. The MPEG stream is flagged for progressive content, so a progressive DVD player can reconstruct the original source frames.

      I playmost DVD's through my "MyHD PCI Card" which upscales to 720P or 1080i. It reports some information about the source stream, and every DVD shows up as "720x480i".

    10. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DVD is 9.6MB/sec. Well within the capacity of 802.11g.

  26. Too bad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .. their wireless routers and cards can't maintain a connection with eachother for more than 30 days at a time.

  27. WarPorning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Driving through rich, uptight neighborhoods hijacking video streams of jesus and such and replacing them with hardcore a2m action while you borrow bandwidth. SSID: Linksys!

  28. Um... How does this help? by pla · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As far as I can tell, this would save me exactly one S-Video cable, from my livingroom PC to the TV - And I'd just need to replace that with an ethernet cable.

    Assuming they sell this at a price comparable to a typical standalone DVD player, it does nothing more than choose one box over another, with the added "bonus" of using quite a bit of your LAN's bandwidth while reducing overall flexibility of content (Can it play flash? My PC can, and dumps it out to the TV. Can it play "Fred's obscure and proprietary video encoding format"? If it exists, my PC can, and dumps it out to the TV.).

    I suppose one could argue that this means you wouldn't need a livingroom PC at all - But I strongly suspect that such an argument automatically excludes 99% of the potential market for such a product.


    Have I missed any cool features of this which might make it more useful? As I understand it, it does nothing I can't already do.

    1. Re:Um... How does this help? by DynamiteNeon · · Score: 1

      I agree.

      What I would like to see is a good wireless solution that just takes direct video and sound and dumps that, skipping the decoder part. Then, you could just treat the tv like a second monitor. So far, most of the wireless solutions all include specific codecs when I would mainly need it for watching movies that might be in other codecs besides MPEG or Divx.

      Yes, I know that there are Wireless Radio Frequency solutions that you can get, but so far I have yet to find one that works. They generally work on the 2.4Ghz range and get crappy reception and interference. Perhaps it's just the environment I'm in though which makes that option unavailable.

    2. Re:Um... How does this help? by camcanuck · · Score: 1

      You're not the target consumer for this product. You are right a 'livingroom' PC is far more flexible and product like this would be redundant if you have one. This however is aimed at people like my parents / in-laws. They thought it was tremendous that they could burn a CD-RW with pictures from their digital camera and then show them on the TV with their existing DVD player.

      I still think Apple should move into this field. a DVD player with Rendevous that integrated with the ILife Apps and still worked with Windows would be great. Just plug it in and it would auto detect the network and your done.

    3. Re:Um... How does this help? by antiMStroll · · Score: 1

      As far as I can tell, this would save me exactly one PC in the lkiving room.

    4. Re:Um... How does this help? by jhoffoss · · Score: 1

      I think you missed one thing. Rather, one thing is missing from the target audience of this device: a livingroom PC. My parents do not now, nor ever would, have a PC in their living room. They would buy a TiVO, they do have a DVD player, they do have a computer (several actually), and they would have wireless if they could get DSL or afford a Satellite Internet setup. When the DVD dies, and they get DSL, this is something that would tie it all together nicely. Whether they would use the streaming capabilities I question. But who knows?

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    5. Re:Um... How does this help? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Excuse me? I thought real geeks all had their computers in the basement.....

      Seriously though, I don't want a computer in my living room, I'm surrounded by them at work, and I prefer to have an office at home for my computer. That way I can have a living space that is an escape. This product is perfect! Now I have a reason to buy a TV that is bigger than my computer monitor!

    6. Re:Um... How does this help? by prockcore · · Score: 1

      But I strongly suspect that such an argument automatically excludes 99% of the potential market for such a product.

      I disagree, people with a living room PC are not the target market for this at all. Those of us who don't want a loud PC in our living room but want all the benefits of it.. that's the target market.

      Or even those of us who will not stand for a bedroom PC.

  29. Doesn't support divx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Looks like it doesn't support divx. Worthless for me without that.

    1. Re:Doesn't support divx by brotherscrim · · Score: 1

      look again

  30. WMA? But no AAC or Ogg Vorbis by jocknerd · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Thats a load of crap. God I wish these hardware companies would stop supporting WMA.

    1. Re:WMA? But no AAC or Ogg Vorbis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Because PEOPLE ACTUALLY USE WMA.

      no one uses vorbis except nerds. Literally.

      as for AAC my guess is licensing issues

    2. Re:WMA? But no AAC or Ogg Vorbis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      http://www.kiss-technology.com/?p=dvd&v=users

      Ogg support, 80 gb HDs, networkable...

      these are nice.

    3. Re:WMA? But no AAC or Ogg Vorbis by jocknerd · · Score: 1

      Even if it was a better codec(which its not), I would not support it since it is under the total control of one company.

    4. Re:WMA? But no AAC or Ogg Vorbis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, I would give up a nonessential body part for AAC decoding. There is one media adaptor that does it by realtime transcoding on the PC, but that's all I've been able to find.

    5. Re:WMA? But no AAC or Ogg Vorbis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Nice technology, but not nice people.

      http://mp.dev.hu/homepage/design5/news.html

      If the mplayer site it right, they're worse than linksys at supporting the GPL.

    6. Re:WMA? But no AAC or Ogg Vorbis by toph42 · · Score: 1
      as for AAC my guess is licensing issues
      Probably. Dolby charges a fortune for AAC encoder/decoder licenses. Ok, the 24c to $1 for a stereo encoder/decoder is not such big deal, but the initial $15,000 that the FAQ mentions doesn't sound nice to me, especially if you are a low volume vendor:

      Are there any up-front fees connected with the AAC patent-license agreement?
      Yes. There is an initial fee of $15,000 due upon execution of the license. This is a one-time payment and not an annual fee.

      I hope they work through it and get a license, though. I won't be buying one if I can't stream my music to it, and I've ripped everything I own in AAC.

  31. Pricing? by merlin_jim · · Score: 1

    The article and a quick google could not reveal any pricing information.

    Anyone have any idea what kind of pricing we're talking about here?

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  32. looks like no WAV or SHN audio by renehollan · · Score: 1, Insightful
    I can understand the lack of support for .shn files (losslessly compressed audio), but to not support .wav files is a travesty: I have all my music stored as .shn files (and would consider either .wav or a real-time converting server), on my home server. Given the fidelity of my stereo system, the losses associated with MP3 compression are unacceptable to me (and yes, I'm happy with requiring 16-12 times or so the disk space on the server).

    These kind of devices should have a standard architecture that supports plugins for new, emerging, and custom media formats (Oh wait! That would defeat the built-in obsolescence). Even if the plugin architecture were platform-specific and not platform-agnostic (somehow, Ogg-Theora (or whatever the Ogg video format is) decoding in Java is likely to be, less than spectacular, perfornace-wise). it would be a start. The next step is a standard API for plugins, and, perhaps, manufacturer-supported remote compilation for each platform.

    Otherwise, we won't get the kind of upgradability we'd like without the platform being completely open.

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    1. Re:looks like no WAV or SHN audio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, you're one of those people who think they can hear a difference between MP3 and WAV or lossless compression.

      Allow me to laugh. "The fidelity of my stereo system", my ass.

    2. Re:looks like no WAV or SHN audio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are obviously deaf. Move along, nothing for you to hear here......

    3. Re:looks like no WAV or SHN audio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could've hired me [hollan.org].

      Why would I want to hire someone who is delusional to the point that they think that they can hear artifacts in a properly compressed MP3?

    4. Re:looks like no WAV or SHN audio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      get a very nice pair of headphones. finished.

    5. Re:looks like no WAV or SHN audio by renehollan · · Score: 1
      Why throw anything away on the assumption it's inaudable if one is willing to trade disk space and intranet bandwidth in order to not make that assumption? The choice should be on the part of the user, methinks.

      Besides, I've heard enough MP3s, to be turned off from the format, though I have no doubt that they can provide adequate fidelity in many applications.

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    6. Re:looks like no WAV or SHN audio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      unless you are using PC-speakers as your output, you can hear the difference.

      Personally, I hear the difference, but I don care. mp3 is comparable to FM radio, and that's good enough for me. WMA however is like having hippies for neighbours, you keep hearing those damn windchimes through your music.

    7. Re:looks like no WAV or SHN audio by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 1

      Besides, I've heard enough MP3s, to be turned off from the format,

      So you downloaded a few MP3s off Kazaa that some idiot encoded at 128 kbps with a crap encoder, could tell that the sound quality was lower, and therefore concluded that "with my golden ear and gigantic ... stereo system, I can tell the difference between any lossless and lossy compressed music." Do us all a favor and do a blind listening test, where you will find that you can't tell the difference.

      If you're that set on having the lossless originials, you could always write a trivial script that streams an mp3 stream from your wav music on the fly, and use this device.

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    8. Re:looks like no WAV or SHN audio by renehollan · · Score: 1
      So you downloaded a few MP3s off Kazaa that some idiot encoded at 128 kbps with a crap encoder, could tell that the sound quality was lower,

      Never used Kazaa in my life. What few MP3s I've heard came from web site listings a while ago, or were passed on to me. When looking at the format, It wasn't obvious what compression options or encoders would be generally good enough, without having to encode a piece of music and decide if it was O.K. Far easier to buy enough disk space and just store .wav or .shn files.

      ... and therefore concluded that "with my golden ear and gigantic ... stereo system, I can tell the difference between any lossless and lossy compressed music."

      Now this exageration and misquote of my simple claim to not want to feed typical MP3s (poorly or hastily encoded) to my stereo for concerns of fidelity is not warranted. I never claimed to have "golden ears" or a "gigantic stereo system". FWIW, I drive a pair of Bohlender-Graebner Radia 520s, crossed to a custom Acoustic Visions subwoofer employing a Hypex HS200 plate amp. The main speakers are driven by a Carver TFM-22 amp, and Bang & Olufsen preamp. Some friends consider this rarified compared to their setups and I can clearly hear problems with MP3s on what they own as well as my gear.

      While I do not dispute the claim, that with careful work, one could encode an MP3 from a .wav file that was indistinguisible from the original on the equipment I have, I just don't want to spend that much time ripping music. I know I lose nothing with .wav or .shn and don't worry about the issue of fidelity.

      Do us all a favor and do a blind listening test, where you will find that you can't tell the difference.

      I have, I could, and the MP3s sucked. Even allowing for crappy encoding, this does not remove the problem of having to take care to "properly" encode each piece of music to avoid artifacts, selecting a "good enough" bitrate, etc. I just don't want the hassle.

      MP3s have their place: for transcoding of legacy audio cassettes for example (Divx is the equivalent for VHS tapes), but not as a storage and playback format for the music I already have on CDs.

      If you're that set on having the lossless originials, you could always write a trivial script that streams an mp3 stream from your wav music on the fly, and use this device.

      What's the point of having lossless originals if you can't play them back as they are?

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    9. Re:looks like no WAV or SHN audio by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 1
      While I do not dispute the claim, that with careful work, one could encode an MP3 from a .wav file that was indistinguisible from the original...

      Sorry. When you said, "Given the fidelity of my stereo system, the losses associated with MP3 compression are unacceptable to me", I made the unwarranted assumption that you meant that the losses associated with MP3 compression were unacceptable to you. I understand now that I should have interpreted that to mean that you were too lazy to spend 5 minutes looking at a man page. But to make it easy on you, I'll do the "careful work" for you:
      lame -b 320


      Do us all a favor and do a blind listening test, where you will find that you can't tell the difference.

      I have, I could, and the MP3s sucked.

      You didn't, you couldn't, and they probably did. Your statement "What few MP3s I've heard came from web site listings a while ago" contradicts your claim that you have ever done a blind listening test.

      What's the point of having lossless originals if you can't play them back as they are?

      There's no point in having the lossless originals in the first place.

      In the end, nobody cares if you decide to store all your music as wav files. But if you're going to make assertions such as "to not support .wav files is a travesty", or claiming that MP3s are for "transcoding of legacy audio cassettes", without being able to back it up, you deserve some ridicule.
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    10. Re:looks like no WAV or SHN audio by renehollan · · Score: 1
      Sorry. When you said, "Given the fidelity of my stereo system, the losses associated with MP3 compression are unacceptable to me" , I made the unwarranted assumption that you meant that the losses associated with MP3 compression were unacceptable to you.

      No, that is a correct understanding of my position. Exaggerating that to suggest (by way of quotes, no less), that I claimed to have "golden ears" and a "gigantic stereo system", is unwarranted. My ears aren't golden, but they aren't tin either.

      I'll do the "careful work" for you:

      lame -b 320

      And when lame encounters something that compresses badly (all compression algorithms have weak spots), what then? Discovering that after the fact is like using a photocopier that leaves a black streak in the margins blindly to copy an important document to send to a friend, only to find out that the margin notes were really important. It is not a risk I find acceptable.

      Using MP3 as a format for on-line storage of one's music collection in an age where 100 Gb disks (that can hold almost 200 CDs uncompressed, around 300 with .shn) are cheap, and home networks approach 100 Mb/s is being penny-wise and pound foolish. It is handy in bandwidth- or storage-constrained applications, or when fidelity does not matter.

      MP3-compressed cymbals, thunderclaps, and pipe organs are painful to listen to.

      Your statement "What few MP3s I've heard came from web site listings a while ago" contradicts your claim that you have ever done a blind listening test.

      Obviously, the origins of the material were revealed after the test: I had a friend make a CD of some original as well as compressed and subsequently decompressed music. Which were processed was not made known to me (or him, as he had a program randomly pick selections from processed and unproceessed directories to assemble the compilation, reporting the selections made to a file neither of us saw until after the listening test). Some of the selections on the CD came from one set, the other set, or both sets, encoded at the highest rates available.

      The idea was to try to identify the compressed music. While we could not tell on some pieces, on others it was obvious, and that was bad enough for me. I did not consider this test as part of my casual listening experience.

      "What's the point of having lossless originals if you can't play them back as they are?"

      There's no point in having the lossless originals in the first place.

      Beside the fidelity debate, there is a damn good reason: to prove that you have a legitimate license to the copyright music. In Canada at least, I can transcode copyright material in any form I wish but must be able to show that I own a copy of authorized distribution media. This means the original CDs.

      In the end, nobody cares if you decide to store all your music as wav files. But if you're going to make assertions such as "to not support .wav files is a travesty", or claiming that MP3s are for "transcoding of legacy audio cassettes", without being able to back it up, you deserve some ridicule.

      My not liking the hit and miss nature of the effectiveness of phsycoacoustic compression algorithms is good enough reason to shun MP3 as my main music format. Given that any device that can decode MP3s can surely accomodate .wav files, storage and bandwidth constraints notwithstanding, it IS a travesty to support the former and not the latter.

      Compression and fidelity tradeoffs should be a choice, not a requirement unless severe constraints exist.

      Fortunately, there are other manufacturers that support uncompressed audio as well as MP3 in their thin media clients.

      In the end I decide where my disposable dollars go when it comes to chosing what media thin clients I might purchase, and support for .wav audio is an important consideration for me, and others as well.

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    11. Re:looks like no WAV or SHN audio by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 1

      The idea was to try to identify the compressed music. While we could not tell on some pieces, on others it was obvious, and that was bad enough for me. I did not consider this test as part of my casual listening experience.

      Without mentioning how they were encoded, this is absolutely meaningless.

      You most certainly claimed to have golden ears, as you claimed that you can hear things which are beyond human capability to hear. Although many people claim that they can hear the difference between a high-bitrate MP3 (or OGG) and the original, blind listening tests consistently show that they cannot.

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    12. Re:looks like no WAV or SHN audio by renehollan · · Score: 1
      Without mentioning how they were encoded, this is absolutely meaningless.

      Honestly, I don't know. "As well as possible" given the tools available. Both of us were considering compressed storage of our music collections at a time where the "sweet spot" price-wise for disks was at the 25 Gb point. In the end we both waited until 100 Gb disks became common, and chose .shn as the format of choice.

      Perhaps encoders have improved since then. (I do recall something about 256 Kb/s being the "best", not 320). But as storage is relatively cheap, good encoders missed the window of market opportunity as far as high-fidelity storage is concerned.

      You most certainly claimed to have golden ears, as you claimed that you can hear things which are beyond human capability to hear.

      Using the expression golden ears does not bother me, but quoting it thus: "golden ears", and putting those words in my mouth does. You chose them, I did not. I know people with golden ears and perfect pitch. They are uncanny.

      Although many people claim that they can hear the difference between a high-bitrate MP3 (or OGG) and the original, blind listening tests consistently show that they cannot. My experience has been that this depends greatly on the material. I listen to a lot of experimental music, as well as classical, and synthetic, and find that the more difficult pieces, in terms of dynamic range and transients do not compress well. Also, piano fares badly when MP3ized.

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  33. Why do you support these unconstitutional assholes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Stop voting for the fucking neocons!

    Don't be a fool - you've got to see these are illegal orders!

  34. It does not stream your DVDs by jea6 · · Score: 2, Informative

    By my reading, this thing won't stream your DVDs out. It will only take incoming media and output it to your TV/Stereo.

    Bleh. Too bad.

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    1. Re:It does not stream your DVDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not allowed to. Not legally anyway.

  35. Or you could get a momitsu instead by Mike+Bridge · · Score: 5, Informative

    you could get the new unit from momitsu (the v880n) which does all that, and has DVI output for your HD set (so you can actually appreciate the progressive scan), and supports ogg.

    1. Re:Or you could get a momitsu instead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it only supports 802.11b.

    2. Re:Or you could get a momitsu instead by Mike+Bridge · · Score: 1

      but can support .11g with a firmware update from the manufacturer, who have in the past, been very good about adding wanted features.

  36. Sould I even bother? by rworne · · Score: 2, Interesting

    While I was eyeing the recent flood of media players that hook up to the TV, I was also disappointed that just about every solution I find on the local shelves all require Windows 2000 or Windows XP.

    Thinking that they just put that there because it required a Windows share to hook up to was overly optimisitc, it needs to run software on the PC as well.

    That rules out OS X and Linux users. I would also hazard a guess that this one will do the same, since their other similar media product has these restrictions.

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    1. Re:Sould I even bother? by in7ane · · Score: 1

      "just about every solution I find on the local shelves all require Windows 2000 or Windows XP"

      Is it just wording, or have you found something out there that doesn't (or by chance has drivers for OS X)?

      Yes, looking for a compatible player as well, can't really see a reason for one not being out since all it needs to do is copy (ok stream) the file from the computer to the device.

    2. Re:Sould I even bother? by merlin_jim · · Score: 1

      While I was eyeing the recent flood of media players that hook up to the TV, I was also disappointed that just about every solution I find on the local shelves all require Windows 2000 or Windows XP.

      FYI, what used to be called QCast tuner (before GameShark bought them out) used a Java app, and was out of the box compatible with a variety of host systems.

      Cost is a little steep, though not overly so:

      PS2: $179
      Wireless Adapter: $59
      QCast Tuner: $50

      Total: $288

      Or about $90 more expensive than Gateway's similar product... though when you compare codecs, its apples to oranges... Gateway only supports MPEG 1/2/4

      The PS/2 supports that, DivX, and a few other codecs, not to mention a host of image and audio formats IIRC... also it is capable of supporting new codecs (it grabs the codec and saves it to the memory card)... though I've heard rumors that this is only the case with the QCast tuner, and that the new version does not do that...

      So, depending on pricing, this Linksys might be a good option for Windows users. If you need Mac or Linux compatibility, though you might be able to hack it in it certainly won't be supported; The QCast Tuner may be the way to go...

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    3. Re:Sould I even bother? by rworne · · Score: 1

      The Linksys I mentioned above stated that it used .NET extensions or somesuch and required 2000 or XP. Fer Chrissakes, all it's doing is showing JPEG images and playing MP3's.

      Another unit I found at a local Fry's also looked promising, but also required a "server" application that was only available in a windows version.

      I fail to see why it is so difficult for these manufacturers to release a player that can display MPEG1/MPEG2/MP3/DIVX/JPEG/GIF and play MP3 (and possibly WMA and OGG) files without having to have anything other than a shared directory on the PC side.

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    4. Re:Sould I even bother? by RedX · · Score: 1

      The EyeHome device is similar to this Linksys device but supports iTunes playlist streaming as well as iPhoto album viewing. Unfortunately no playback of encoded AAC tracks that you purchase from the iTunes store.

    5. Re:Sould I even bother? by RedX · · Score: 1

      Forgot to mention the other difference, which is why I've not purchased the EyeHome, is no DVD playback. There seem to be a few similar devices, but each seem to be missing just one key feature. The Gateway has good features and is one of the very few devices that do music streaming as well as DVD viewing but is Windows only, the server software isn't great, and the GUI of the device is poor. There are quite a few devices that support music streaming and photo sharing, but no DVD support. And then there's the "cobble your own" method which starts to get expensive if you want an entertainment center-friendly case and flexible controls that even the wife can use.

  37. Sounds great, but..... by tx_kanuck · · Score: 1

    This sounds like it was created to stream movies designed for a comptuer screen onto a TV set. Can you imagine trying to play a 640x480 movie on a 60 inch plasma TV? Talk about looking like shit.

    They also didn't say how the media gets from the comptuer to the DVD player? Is there software I have to install? Is there a *NIX version? A Mac version? Do I have to pay for seperate licenses for each installation?
    I'm not going to hold my breath on this one.

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    1. Re:Sounds great, but..... by slim · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This sounds like it was created to stream movies designed for a comptuer screen onto a TV set. Can you imagine trying to play a 640x480 movie on a 60 inch plasma TV? Talk about looking like shit.

      NTSC DV is usually 720 x 480: just because Plasmas are big, doesn't mean they're high resolution.

      You do know VGA monitors are better than TVs, right?

    2. Re:Sounds great, but..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Can you imagine trying to play a 640x480 movie on a 60 inch plasma TV? Talk about looking like shit.

      You apparently don't have much experience with just how poor the quality of DVD's are. The color info on DVD's is only 120 lines high. The B&W info is 240 lines. A 480 line high video display will play DVD's as good as they can get. Higher resolution doesn't help unless you have a good software upconverter. 640x480 will do just fine. If you want 16:9 video, you'll obviously need more than 640 lines across.

    3. Re:Sounds great, but..... by dave420 · · Score: 1

      VGA monitors have square pixels in a grid form, so aliasing is highly visible. TVs have a different configuration, with alternating columns offset 1/2 way between the next. That makes for a much smoother picture, with considerably less aliasing. Also, a cheap TV has much better color than a cheap monitor ;)

  38. Just PC (aka Windows?) by Dark+Paladin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Or can I stream anything? I've got several fansubbed anime titles I'd like to watch stored on my PowerMac, and it would be nicer to see them on the TV than even on my laptop.

    Is *any* OS supported via some sort of file share (http/ftp/samba), or will Linksys require some special streaming client?

    I didn't see the details from the press release, but if it's just looking for a SMB fileshare you specify though a web interface (which would make the most sense in my mind), that would be the best and most open solution.

    1. Re:Just PC (aka Windows?) by theguru · · Score: 1

      I have a Gateway connected DVD player with simillar (the same?) Windows software to facilitate the streaming.

      While the software has to run on Windows, I have my MP3s on a linux box, and mapped as a drive on my Windows box. All the software cares about is if it can see and access it. Works just fine.

    2. Re:Just PC (aka Windows?) by Dark+Paladin · · Score: 1

      Hm - I wonder if Virtual PC would be fast enough....

  39. Pricing and Availability by frovingslosh · · Score: 2, Insightful
    In the press release there is a section called Pricing and Availability where they don't tell you the prive and do tell you that the thing is not available.

    They say it plays DVDs and VCDs. They say it will play Divx from your PC. But will it play a Divx CD (and if not, why the hell not?)? Will it play SVCD (from the media)? The press release is damn poor, leaving such obvious points unaddressed, does not reflect well on the product.

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    1. Re:Pricing and Availability by thebatlab · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If it's not available, it generally won't have a price now will it? Sure they can estimate a price but they're better off not to in case they determine they have to charge more. Then it doesn't reflect poorly.

      "But will it play a Divx CD (and if not, why the hell not?)? Will it play SVCD (from the media)?"

      The general consumer doesn't give a rat's *** about whether it can do these things. If it plays DVDs then they are ready. Sure it can be argued that such a product is "obviously geared towards techies" but I don't think that's entirely the case here. Either way...if it can play divx streamed from the pc, why would it not be able to from a "divx cd"? As long as the data sent is in the proper format when it leaves the pc it should be able to handle it.

      "The press release is damn poor, leaving such obvious points unaddressed, does not reflect well on the product."

      The press release is just as it said. A release to the press. It gets word out on what they're up to and gets consumers eager to buy it so that when it does come out the consumer has been waiting an opportune amount of time (as judged by marketing department) and will jump at the chance to finally get it.

    2. Re:Pricing and Availability by frovingslosh · · Score: 1
      If it's not available, it generally won't have a price now will it?

      That's completely bogus. In general, and certainly for a device to be released this quarter, they should be able to give a good target price or at least a price range. Most other announcements are done this way, and (after all) this was a part of their own press release that included the term "Pricing".

      The general consumer doesn't give a rat's *** about whether it can do these things. If it plays DVDs then they are ready.

      No, with DVD players now an "under 50 buck" item, this is clearly aimed at the buyer who is looking for features. Some other DVD players on the market even already offer Divx playback. But this press release Specifically lists that it plays DVD and VCD, leaving a strong implcation that these are the only formats supported from the drive: Besides DVDs, the DVD Player will also play audio CDs and Video CDs. . If you are going to support Dvix playback from media, you should say it, as other manufacturers do. It was (and still is) a reasonable question.

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  40. Oh, yes, FINALLY by rock_climbing_guy · · Score: 1

    I'm going to beam goatse to the house next door where that guy won't stop playing rap all night long at volume levels normally reserved for movie theatre sound commercials.

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  41. Sometimes KISS just works by WinterpegCanuck · · Score: 1

    Now don't get me wrong, I love tinkering with the inner workings and do not know of a single electronic device I own (and some I don't) with the "Removing will void your warrenty" stickers still in tact, but there are times where simplicity is really appreciated. Yes, I can connect my pc to my vcr inputs, plug in some ether in my living room and watch any movie from my file server, and it will work, but systems like these and TiVo just work, and allow me to relax in my leisure time.

    Just because you can use sed routed through five pipes and a database engine to strip a tv-guide website and schedule a record, other than bragging rights on IRC (what geek hangs out at a water cooler in the open) why would you? I will still use the windoze guideplus that came with my ATI card to get my listings unashamed. I think a lot of geeks need to remember that the easy ways are still ok, as long as they are not relied on as the only ways.

    1. Re:Sometimes KISS just works by soluzar22 · · Score: 1

      Too darned right! I've earned my stripes with cool/crazy projects, but my home is a place where I need to relax. Doing stuff the hard way when there is a perfectly good easy way availible to you is not geeky at all IMO. It's just crazy.

      Caveat: There has to be no appreciable difference between the results obtained. If the hard way is better even if only by a little, then it is still worth doing. The proof of this particular pudding will be in the eating. So kindly report back on it, you rich early adopters! :-)

    2. Re:Sometimes KISS just works by Thomas+Shaddack · · Score: 1

      Why use seemingly complicated ways to get the TV guide instead of the retail ones? What about cost, reliability (so I won't have to worry that the machine bluescreens when I am away or sleeping, which rules out most Consumer-Friendly Approaches), and in some areas just plain unavailability of any ready-made solution? Besides, it's usually something that has to be done only once, save eventual minor tweaks when the TV station website format changes, and even that could be worked around by heuristic preprocessing of the page as its meta-structure is always the same.

  42. been there done that ( XBOX) by ufpdom · · Score: 1

    Been there done that w/ the xbox. OH and I can even do mame too to boot.. But seriously.. Sounds good.. Will we be able to upgrade the software as newer codecs come out?

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  43. Guess what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Moderatorer suger kuk och knullas djupt!

    Are you interested, yet?

    1. Re:Guess what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, yet another Swedish troll uncovered...

    2. Re:Guess what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YOU ARE SWEDISH? HAHAHAHAAH!

    3. Re:Guess what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it could be a Norwegian, Finnish or a Danish troll masquarading as a Swedish dumb-ass troll...

    4. Re:Guess what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What did he say anyway?

    5. Re:Guess what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      What did he say anyway?

      "Moderators suck cock and get fucked deep (in the ass)"

    6. Re:Guess what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Is it "get fucked" or "fuck"?

      It looks like a passive form.

  44. It's an extension cord for your DVD-ROM! by aquabat · · Score: 2, Informative
    As I understand the description, this thing is a DVD player, and also, I can send one of the four mentioned file formats to it over the network.

    So, I can pop a DVD into the drive on my laptop, and stream the encrypted data directly out via the network to the player, which will then decrypt it and send it to the TV.

    I wonder if the firmware on this thing can be flashed to play other formats...

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  45. Why the DVD part? by WatertonMan · · Score: 1
    What I don't understand is the DVD part. Most people have DVD players -- even on their computer. Too bad they don't offer it as an option. (And I pray they have it in black instead of that ugly faux aluminum which has been popular the past few years) I also wonder how the data is shared. Is it in some directory? Will the device work with Linux and OSX? Or is it some custom Windows only setup?

    Over at El Gato they have a similar product that does work with OSX. El Gato Eye Home. There are numerous similar products for music only as well. Some even support streaming radio stations. My favorite sounding is the Roku Labs one although I hasten to add I don't own one. But the iTunes integration for both PCs and Macs sounds very intriguing.

    1. Re:Why the DVD part? by renehollan · · Score: 1
      Well, most people want to be able to play back media that they haven't yet copied to their home server, or don't want to (rented DvDs, for example). So, there is a demand for SOME kind of DVD/CD player in the family/media/living room.

      Most DVD players are sufficiently cheap that this can qualify as an "upgrade", leaving the old one for the kids. That way, you get additional funcitonality without yet another box.

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  46. Try the Liteon LVD-2002 by Adam+Rightmann · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It plays about 90% of the divx files I have.

    It should cost you a little more than $100.

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    1. Re:Try the Liteon LVD-2002 by Giggles+Of+Doom · · Score: 1

      Nifty, though it doesn't seem to have any sort of network connection. DO they have a model that does?

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    2. Re:Try the Liteon LVD-2002 by Adam+Rightmann · · Score: 1
      I don't know, I just burn DIVXs to CD, and read them that way.

      It runs Linux, so I imagine you can open up the case and somehow add a NIC. I believe there is a web page showing the earlier model, LVD-2001, being taken apart.

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  47. POSTED FIRST! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First post, yeah.

  48. Not until it can Vobcopy then transcode.. by msimm · · Score: 1

    I'll keep my Myth box thank you. But this sounds like a nice product heading in the right direction. Of course aside from the geek factor of the Myth box I've got myself a multimedia Swiss Army knife, with PVR, commercial detection/skip, database, movies browsable by cover/name, CD ripping, weather forcasts, RSS feeds and of course a funtioning Linux box I can use from the couch.

    But this still sounds interesting.

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  49. Great by radoni · · Score: 2, Funny

    another product to infringe on multiple GPL'ed projects.

    this is a troll

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    1. Re:Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It shouldn't be a troll. This company has repeatedly violated open-source developers' copyrights.

      REMEMBER THAT when you think about giving them money.

  50. Slashdot Review by scmcclain · · Score: 1

    From what I can see this is very similar to the On Media DVD player reviewed a few weeks ago- the only diffrence I see the that this one has 802.11g instead of 802.11b.

  51. Limpsys by ThatDamnMurphyGuy · · Score: 0, Troll

    If it's anything like their access points and routers, I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole. I think they have yet to actually complete any firmware for any of their products. I've got a WAP11 in which the only way to fix random reboots is to install a well hidden 1.1A firmware that will never see the light of day.

    Many of their routers don't work without one problem or another, and their drivers are complete crap. Especially the WUSB products.

    1. Re:Limpsys by ThatDamnMurphyGuy · · Score: 1

      Troll huh. Ok I'll bite.

      I own:

      Linksys WAP11.
      No connections with broadcasts turned off: firmware Random reboots with firmware

      2 WUSB adapters: constant signal loss and even locks with drivers.

      2 WMP11 cards: random signal loss.

      WAP54G: slow inconsistant speeds, even right beside the WAP.

      Take a look at DSL Reports Linksys forums and see for yourself. Their firmware and drivers suck.

  52. flac/wav support by jms · · Score: 1

    Looks great, except that I would only be interested if it supported lossless FLAC or uncompressed WAV streams.

  53. Wow, all that and more! by dacarr · · Score: 1

    Now imagine a beowulf cluster of them. You could play all those DVDs at the same time....

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  54. Too bad by chunkwhite86 · · Score: 1

    Too bad this is nothing new.

    There's software called Qcast Tuner which uses your Playstation2 as a media player. You stream music or movies or photos from your PC to your PS/2 and it plays them on your TV.

    You obviously need a PS2 with LAN adapter (and optionally a wireless adapter), but it gives you the functionality. This new linksys is nice though because it's all together in one purpose-made package.

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  55. 802.11g? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What the hell is up with the development team? I don't know of any project that is higher than version 20 or so (like emacs.)

  56. Someone needs to explain this product to me... by rtilghman · · Score: 2, Interesting


    This seems like a product that utterly failed to go through any strategic analysis. Some pertinent questions might be:

    1) Why would I want my DVD player somewhere other than by the Television that it plays on?

    2) Why would I want to pay more for a streaming device like this when I can buy a DVD player for like $50?

    3) Why would I want to play my music (MP3, WMA, etc.) through the speakers on my television, or route said signal through my television?

    It seems to me the segment for this kind of home media player is already well served by more targeted products. Specifically I would point to the rise of Digital Media Receivers that stream audio and video from NAS or a PC. They come (generally) with LCDs for management, are network and even wireless ready, and are fully adaptable.

    In the case of people who want the NAS and digital receiver together you have things like the Tivo, Digital Media Players, etc.

    Just seems to me like someone at Linksys/Cisco decided to merge a buinch of products with little thought (read: frontal lobotomy victim) to how such a device would be used and whether there is even a market for this (read: alternate reality).

    -Rick

    1. Re:Someone needs to explain this product to me... by antiMStroll · · Score: 1
      1) It sits next to the TV.

      2) It does far more than a DVD player and doesn't require burning CDs.

      3) People with home theater.

  57. Linksys? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gee. I wonder if the bastards actually coded the damn thing, or if they were good boy and did the right thing: steal code from an opensource project... no? =oP

  58. Qcast for PS2 has been able todo this for years... by Mysticalfruit · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've been using Qcast on my PS2 todo this for years.

    Plus Qcast will let me use a whole bunch of different formats this can't.

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  59. Ponderance... by srvivn21 · · Score: 1
    Other features and services for the DVD Player with Wireless-G Media Link are currently in development by Linksys and will be announced at time of product availability.


    I wonder if one of these features is going to be a built in ethernet switch (this is a Cisco project after all).

    With the XBox, Gamecube, and PC all having the capability for networked gaming, it would be nice to only need one ethernet drop, and no external switch. Perhaps it could act as a wireless bridge for other devices plugged into it to eliminate the requirement for an ethernet drop.
  60. one thing that is missing by Savatte · · Score: 1

    how about being able to play PAL dvds. Or at least have no region encoding.

    1. Re:one thing that is missing by Quila · · Score: 1

      I have lots of German and American DVDs and was about to buy a multizone DVD player so I can stop using my computer to play the German ones, but I'll wait until I find out whether this one will be restricted or can be modded.

    2. Re:one thing that is missing by kryten_nz · · Score: 1

      Ah, one advantage of living in a PAL country - all of our gear comes ready to playback NTSC videos/dvd's etc.

      If it's ever released here in NZ, it will most likely support both formats.

  61. That's a-ok by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The 30 or so of you geeks who wouldn't have bought one to begin with are not who they're looking to sell to.

  62. The grand Nordic conspiracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    What?

    Is there is some Nordic conspiracy the rest of us here should know about?

    1. Re:The grand Nordic conspiracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hueva paeva

    2. Re:The grand Nordic conspiracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yep - the finns will stab you while drunk and the swedes are full of themselves.

    3. Re:The grand Nordic conspiracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can see some major Ragnarok coming this way...

  63. The TiVolution is here!!! by Eberlin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It seems a scary inevitability that entertainment and your home computer network are going to merge one way or another. I first noticed it with TiVo (really, a HD that records TV for you). Ever since then, people have created their own version, as well as other PC->entertainment hookups with features that include streaming music from PC's over to entertainment systems.

    You can even hook up your PS2 to your DSL line via a router to trash talk online. This new device would be just another step in that seemingly inevitable integration process.

    The best part about this is that there are many players in this game. Thankfully, it's not just an MS Media Center PC dominating the category.

  64. wow me 2 (almost) by Prince+Vegeta+SSJ4 · · Score: 1
    I've got the 42" Panasonic (EDTV) 852x480, and this suits my computer needs just fine for the living room (some internet browsing and music playing with media player (only because it looks neat with the funky visualizations and the internet radio).

    I also use it as 'Artwork', as the screensaver displays changing images

    The 802.11g is great I typically get over 30mbps through 1 floor and a couple of walls (with WAP enabled, no Broadcast SSID of course!).

    I can access the Office VPN (AES Encrypted)from the couch! Although I am still a little paranoid, so I have all of the shares PGP encrypted as well

    The only part that sucks is the Microsoft wireless bluetooth keyboard and mouse, which must be constantly reinstalled because they lose sync. Once I get the logitech version, it will be great.

    1. Re:wow me 2 (almost) by skidoo2 · · Score: 1

      For the tunes you might check out Media Center. I've been using it for a couple of years now (since the days when it was called "Media Jukebox") to store and catalog all of my music. I can't even remember the last time I played an actual CD. It has OK visualizations, but its library management is the best I've found (smokes WMP and that MusicMatch crap). And it's pretty cheap.

      Also, regarding your wireless keyboard. I use an RF Logitech one, and it intermittently disconnects too. It's weird. It's got a combo mouse/keyboard receiver unit, and the mouse always works fine. But the keyboard for some reason drops it's connection. Usually even resetting it (pushing the little red button) doesn't fix the situation. I usually have to reboot. Maybe there's a driver update or something. I dunno. Just a heads-up.

    2. Re:wow me 2 (almost) by Prince+Vegeta+SSJ4 · · Score: 1
      Thanks for the input, I was looking into the bluetooth logitech, but will keep your advice in mind.

      The microsoft keyboard and mouse actually have to be REINSTALLED (Or refound using a cumbersome process), reboot just doesn't cut it. What sux about this is that you have to break out your old standard keyboard and mouse to do this, which really eliminates the purpose of having a wireless rig in the first place.

      BTW what videocard do you use with your tuner, I've heard about problems with the ATI Tuner and non ATI graphics boards (Im running am Nvidia)

      thanks in advance.

    3. Re:wow me 2 (almost) by skidoo2 · · Score: 1

      I've got the AIW 9600 Pro. Works great. No propblems. Great for games too. I'm not a big gamer, but I really like Call of Duty, which is pretty demanding graphically. Runs great on the 9600.

      The only caveat is that ATI's software, while it is improving, isn't that great. Most significantly their on-screen guide software (GuidePlus) sucks. Thank goodness for myHTPC. Works great. Cool-ass guide UI. And it transparently integrates with ATI's new EasyLook TV UI.

  65. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 0, Troll

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  66. Newbs? by agent+dero · · Score: 1

    "but this is a self contained box even newbies can use. "

    I know people that can't work a VCR, and they're supposed to be able to setup a _safe_ wireless, networked DVD player?!!

    Awesome idea, maybe not quite intended for your average newb though

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  67. Damn you slashdot... by Phil+John · · Score: 1

    ...telling me about another cool gadget my girlfriend won't let me buy. :o(

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    1. Re:Damn you slashdot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *Cracks whip*

      Honeslty, compromise. Get her a Sybian and tell her you're buying the LinkSys for yourself.

      Win-Win situation.

  68. Having to turn the TV on by slim · · Score: 1

    Devices like this are getting more and more common - the basic functionality is all there, but you can't select audio content without turning on your TV for the UI.

    It's not clear from the article whether that's the case with this product, but since it's not bragging about the front panel display, I'm not optimistic.

    That's hassle I don't want when putting on music. Picking a CD off the shelf and putting it into a tray is less trouble.

    Me, I'm saving up for a Squeezebox.

    1. Re:Having to turn the TV on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i use an old pc for that with my favorite playlists assigned to hotkeys

      winkey-L brings up ledzep, winkey-M morphine & so on

      no display required :)

  69. Kiss Technology available now by rebel · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I have a Kiss DP500 which does all this and more (except for built-in wireless) available in the US at $300. The DP500 is available worldwide and is well supported with on-going firmware updates providing new features. It is part of a line of products including some with internal HD.

    The DP500 is open source based (uCLinux) and works well with Linux hosts (there are several projects supporting it on SourceForge).

    ...just a satisfied customer.

    1. Re:Kiss Technology available now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      whats the point when i can build a PC for $200?

      same goes for tivo in my book.

      why do these things cost so much more than equivilant pcs?

    2. Re:Kiss Technology available now by slim · · Score: 1
      whats the point when i can build a PC for $200?

      same goes for tivo in my book.


      I've been unable to spec up a PC for that price that's good enough to run MythTV.

      Yeah, you can cobble together basic PC, but to replace TiVo it needs to be
      • Be quiet
      • Be fast enough to encode MPEG and decode MPEG simultaneously
      • Have a form factor that looks good under a TV
      • Have an IR input
    3. Re:Kiss Technology available now by toyotaboy · · Score: 1

      Sampo isn't the only divx player. I bought a lite-on for $130 plus $30 rebate. Lite-on is known for quality. The only drawback is that it's very specific on the type of divx (has to be mpeg-4), haven't gotten a format that it recoginizes yet, but other people have done just fine.

    4. Re:Kiss Technology available now by hoggoth · · Score: 1

      > whats the point when i can build a PC for $200?

      Aren't you stretching it a bit?

      Show me where you can buy a PC for $200 including case, motherboard, cpu, ram, power supply, hard drive, cd-rom, floppy, keyboard, and mouse.

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    5. Re:Kiss Technology available now by evilviper · · Score: 1

      I saw that, and have only one major issue with it... It has a network connection and no web-browser.

      With it being able to play video/audio/pictures over the network, it seemed like the perfect box to connect to a PVR computer, but the player doesn't support any interactive programs (like a Web Browser) that would allow scheduling of recordings.

      Although, that wasn't the only issue. At $300, I could get a full PC that would do the job better, support more formats, etc.

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    6. Re:Kiss Technology available now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "Show me where you can buy a PC for $200 ..."

      I picked up a sweet P133 on eBay.

    7. Re:Kiss Technology available now by dublin · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you can cobble together basic PC, but to replace TiVo it needs to be

      * Be quiet

      Well, that would certainly make it different from a real TiVO. The HD in my Series 2 is so horrendously loud I'm thinking about just pitching the thing, and I've been known to unplug it because the noise it makes down in the living room bothers us in the master bedroom upstairs. I got mine for free (won it), but I've reached the conclusion that there's no way the thing is worth the $13 they charge me for "service" every month, especially when that service routinely whacks off the last 5 minutes of old movies, which are about all I care to watch. (The rest of TV really is a "vast wasteland"...)


      * Be fast enough to encode MPEG and decode MPEG simultaneously
      * Have a form factor that looks good under a TV
      * Have an IR input


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  70. Re:Been there, tried that by WebGangsta · · Score: 2, Informative
    When I read the press release this morning (along with MSFT's announcement of a similar product), I gave a heavy sigh and said to myself that while it may be something that I would personally use, these will not gain broad acceptance by Joe Average anytime soon.

    PS2: the BroadQ system requires the Network Adapter and installation of software on the PC. Allows streaming of music and DivX. Supposedly licensed to one of the myriad of PS2 third-party suppliers to also try to sell.

    XBox: The Xbox Music Mixer (or the new "Media" thing mentioned above, requires software to be installed on the PC, but runs under WinXP only. Doesn't stream movies... yet. But the ability to do so is there, obviously.

    TiVo: Home Media Option. Doesn't stream movies... yet, but handles music and slideshows. On the plus side, they say their streaming software works on Macs. Downside: currently limited to about 400 songs in the queue and you can't play the slideshow while listening to music - it's either one or the other. Hell, TiVo has enough problems convincing non-technical people that it's more than just a "glorified VCR", let alone explaining to non-believers the whole "streaming music" thing. (small disclaimer: I'd be lost without my TiVo.)

    It's not like the idea is a bad one. I'm all for simplifying the Computer-to-HomeTheater process. How many of us have wanted to take our computer music libraries and play 'em through the stereo? For the most part, the easiest way to do so has been to get an MP3-capable DVD player and load a CD with hundreds of files, letting the player randomly take 'em. With the added bonus of being able to take the same CDs to the MP3-capable car stereo, it's a one-stop shop. Or we use an audio cable already setup to plug the iPod or Nomad Jukebox into the stereo and play that way.

    Streaming music over the 'net implies that most homes are wired already, with network outlets near their TVs and/or stereos... or have gone wireless. I don't think the general buying audience is ready for this level of technology yet.

    It's taken years for folks to get comfortable with digital cameras, and yet they still don't understand that you need to crop or resize that 2MB photo of little Sally before emailing it to the entire office.

  71. Cisco entering the mix.. by -tji · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We have all seen the reports of the various PC manufacturers trying to get a bigger piece of the home entertainment pie. Dell and Gateway being the most obvious.. Also Microsoft, with their weak XP Media Center, and more interesting X-Box tie-ins.

    Now, we've got the dominant producer of Internet infrastructure jumping in with a networked DVD player. Interesting... I wonder if this was one of the major reasons for buying Linksys, and we me see more from them.

    1. Re:Cisco entering the mix.. by dave420 · · Score: 1
      Weak XP Media Center? I take it you've never used it :) Seriously - what's weak about it? Nice remote control, excellent smooth interface, live TV support, picture-in-picture, media player for playing videos, slideshows, play-over-network support, tv guide, auto media info download from the internet, etc.

      There's nothing out there that can even compete with Media Center. It's head-and-shoulders above the competition. I've been using it for about a year now.

  72. Re:place your bets... I bet a very long time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    No doubt, it's going to be built out of components that you can only get specs for under NDA.

    How many of the current line of Linksys products are hackable? Not many.

    Oh for the days of a Samsung ARM and peripheral chips. Woe on the days of Marvell.

  73. Sweet! by Cinematique · · Score: 1

    I've always wanted a DVD player that needs to be restarted every few hours...

  74. ALL YOU GEEKS WILL BUY THIS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why?

    Cause it's got that cool Cisco logo on the front of it.

  75. this is the killer gadget...almost by cabazorro · · Score: 0

    If I get this right, all I need is a cheapo linux file server with all the media files in it and then the linksys gadget will PLAY them? If this gadget has the divx decoder embedded and is upgreadable im buying one pronto!

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  76. Fricken Sweet! by djohnsto · · Score: 1

    Thanks for the link, you just made my week! This sounds perfect. Plays MP3/MP4/AAC/OGG/WMA, plus all the cool video formats! Any idea how much this will cost?

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    1. Re:Fricken Sweet! by Mike+Bridge · · Score: 1

      the non-networked version (available now) sells from importers for about $220 plus shipping, so the new one will probably be around 250-280. momitsu has been really good about useful updates in their new (user-flashable, cd .iso based) firmware updates, so they might be able to sneak in pcmcia .11g support after release. unit can also do pal/ntsc conversions (all digital, no up/down conversions yoyo'ing between the 2 before final output) and can be made macrovision and region code free from the remote. yes, i really want one too.

    2. Re:Fricken Sweet! by Mike+Bridge · · Score: 1

      2 online retailers for the v880 (non networked) which will probably have the v880n next month: TaipeiPC ExtremePhono

  77. I hope it is better then their WMA11B by dkone · · Score: 1

    Which what they call their wireless media adapter. it is supposed to wirelessly allow you view pictures and listen to mp3 on your TV. This thing and the hideous software that came with it basically sucked ass. I can't even tell you the number of problems getting it to work, and it never worked proberly. It would skip on the music, hang on the photos and then eventually blow up my (linksys) wireless router. Perhaps they were using the WMA11B as a beta test device for this product. Then only thing I can say is thank God for Best Buys return policy. I have voted with my money.

    DK

    1. Re:I hope it is better then their WMA11B by MImeKillEr · · Score: 1

      Welcome to LinkSys product "quality"!

      My BEFW11S4 Rev 1 has *never* worked properly. Their response to its lack of quality? Redesign and release of another WAP/Router.

      Unfortunately, I couldn't return it (too late in the game). Next time, I'm buying D-Link or someone else.

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  78. GPL-violation available now, too by Cid+Highwind · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was considering buying one of those a few weeks ago, but Kiss technologies is apparently violatinn the GPL. Their player uses a verion (or at least parts) of MPlayer and they have ignored severel requests by the MPlayer team to release the source to their version. (follow the link for an email-by-email account of the whole story) I'm waiting to see how that gets resolved before I buy one. If they come clean and release the source I'll probably buy, but if they try to stonewall or litigate their way out of it, I won't.

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    1. Re:GPL-violation available now, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When is the mplayer project going to stop violating Apple's, Microsoft's and Real's copyright by distributing their binary codecs without permission?

  79. 2 questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1 - where can i get one?

    2 - does it cost more or less than assembling a cheapo PC to do the same job? (seeing as its from linksys, probably more)

  80. got links? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    there is no comment... just a question which fit nicely in the subject line... but hey, what do I know.

    1. Re:got links? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      www.xbox-scene.com

  81. streaming of VOB files by RyanHatch · · Score: 1

    What I am wondering is if it will actually stream VOB files. As crazy as this may sound, I would like to rip my entire DVD collection to a/some big ass drive(s) and then use something like this Linksys box to access the VOB files and stream DVD quality picture to my bigscreen. Does anybody know if this or anything like this will do what I am talking about? Is there a better solution? I just dont want to have to encode DivX all the time if I am going to be ripping 200+ dvds to my collection....any thoughts?

    1. Re:streaming of VOB files by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      JoyPort2: www.joyfaktory.com. Only one I know that really does this. Pricey though

  82. Re:Qcast for PS2 has been able todo this for years by iiioxx · · Score: 1

    Qcast for PS2 has been able todo this for years...

    Yeah... but not *WELL*. I was an early QCast adopter, and thought it was pretty good. The old 1.x version had some issues (occasional audio sync problems, no ff/rw, etc), but all in all it was decent.

    Then BroadQ came out with the 2.x version ala Game Shark Media Player, and things started to go south. First, they lowered the supported video spec from the 1.x standard, thus causing problems with almost all of my 16:9 movies ripped at resolutions larger than 512x384 (constant lock-ups). On top of that, their support has gone to pot (they just ignore email support requests now) and I question whether the company is teetering on the brink of bankruptcy. You don't have to look very far for evidence of that. They've been promising for over 8 months to ship out new CD's to registered users to replace the original CD's that have trouble booting. I haven't seen mine yet. Have you?

    So maybe if you've got a collection of low-res, low bitrate movies and you are one of the lucky few who own a CD that still boots, QCast is good for you. I wouldn't go recommending it to others, though. Personally, I shitcanned my copy of QCast, sold off my PS2 (because that's all I used it for), and just build myself a video client out of an old laptop to stream movies from my server to the TV. It may not have a pretty little GUI, but at least I can get through a movie without the damned thing locking up.

  83. Gateway AR-230 by plasticquart · · Score: 1

    Gateway has had a similar device for a while now. It can be found right here.

  84. This would be useful by G27+Radio · · Score: 1

    That way they don't have to keep coming over here and asking me to play it for them. ;)

  85. Interesting observation by KE1LR · · Score: 1
    This kind of concern about neighbors sniffing your DVD collection through your wireless network is a good argument to stick to wired ethernet where possible...

    In an unrelated event, I realized a couple of days ago that my entertainment center has more devices (3) plugged into its ethernet hub than the office downstairs (2)! Now arrives a candidate DVD player with ethernet. Don't some home theater receivers now have ethernet as well?

    The entertainment center has a TiVO, an Xbox and a wireless hub plugged into it and the office only has two computers!

    The world, it is a-changing.

  86. warwalk(i love my zaurus) by j14ast · · Score: 0

    ah but do we realy *want* them to secure there ap's as cynical as this sounds im all for millions of dupes buying open ap's if it means 100% coverage

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    Damn the man!
  87. I hope it's not bright blue when it ships... by Osrin · · Score: 1

    ... not nice.

  88. More info by Prince+Vegeta+SSJ4 · · Score: 1
    They have also begun to release them with DVI input as well as Cable/TV/HDTV tuners.

    for a bunch of info on plasma TV's, ive found THIS site to be very helpful and right on the money.

    What I want is a wireless monitor connection! That way I can set the box in a closet or something

  89. viewing/recording neighbor's videos... by pulse2600 · · Score: 1

    All your movies are belong to us.

  90. forgot the link. by Prince+Vegeta+SSJ4 · · Score: 1
  91. Check out elgato's new EyeHome for MacOS X by mumkin · · Score: 1

    Is it just wording, or have you found something out there that doesn't (or by chance has drivers for OS X)

    The only thing I've found that is OS X compatible and has a majority of these features (no DVD player, however) is elgato's newly announced EyeHome.

    What I'd really like -- perhaps I'm in the minority here -- would be a unit with either its own HD or at least the capability to add an external drive and serve to the network. It seems a bit silly to saturate my wireless lan by streaming files from the machines it's less suited for to the home theater system for which it was designed.

    That said, I think I'll be purchasing an EyeHome, but I'm going to give it a few weeks to allow everyone to announce their entries into this device category.

  92. Components or all in one by HiKarma · · Score: 1

    The usual logic for A/V is that components are higher quality than all in ones, for a wide variety of reasons you have probably all seen hashed out in many places.

    But does it change a bit in the digital domain? Can some of the "components" be software now, but all run on a general purpose box? Should the components be more like PC peripherals (connected in slots or USB 2 or Firewire or ethernet) rather than standalone units?

    My vision of the future of Audio is very different, though it scares me how easy it makes DRM. Namely that speakers should be digital, with amplifier and speaker together (or as paired components) and everything else just talk to the speakers over the ethernet. The speakers would know how to combine streams. Ditto eventually for video. Get a great monitor (possibly all digital with video stream decompressor on it or in it) and let many applications flower that will send it video.

    But in this case, it does make sense to have an all in one box with the comoponents found in a box like this (namely a reader for the current optical disk format of choice) and networking. And then to add components (like Ogg support) in software.

    Too bad this vision makes DRM so easy and strong, since finally the analog hole would get closed.

  93. Way cool by bogie · · Score: 1

    I keep hearing a "big deal" but really think its a great product for the average person if its afforable. By now there are a ton a consumers with huge mp3 and divx collections on their PC's. Up til now you've needed to A)buy an expensive game console and then use addon software or B) build a dedicated HTPC. I've done option B) but really lately I've just been using it for mp3 and movie playback since there is little on TV I even care about catching anymore.

    If its under $200, and I don't see why it shouldn't be, I predict this selling really well.

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    If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
  94. My Must Have Feature by Arthur+Dent · · Score: 1

    The milkdrop visualization output to tv when playing mp3s :)

  95. I'd prefer a Kiss player by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lovely. Of course, the Kiss DP1508 has everything the Linksys player has and more: for instance, XVid and Ogg Vorbis support.

    Seeing as XVid is what 99% of movies are encoded in these days, you've got to hope the Linksys supports it, although I note the website doesn't explicitly confirm this.

    The Kiss player also has Internet radio support, 80GB built-in HD for Tivo-style stuff, multi-region DVD support, and a whole bunch of other things I've probably forgotten.

    Admittedly you have to plug a wireless Ethernet card in seperately, but at least the option is there. Having a Kiss DP-450 myself, I can say that they are extremely cool pieces of kit.

  96. That must suck for the 2 other guys that use OGG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for you and the other 2 persons that use OGG.It's a shame really...

  97. WPA and bandwidth concerns by gad_zuki! · · Score: 2, Interesting

    >Open access (maybe a bit of WEP, but AirSnort will take care of that)

    Its 802.11G using WPA. You can't crack it like WEP. Maybe you'll get lucky and your neighbor will use a passphrase like "password" or some other dictionary word.

    54mbs in contention, in the air, and at 2.4ghz may (or probably) cause frame skipping and other problems when Johnny fires up the microwave, your other neighbor's b network starts doing massive file transers, Joan from upstairs talks on her cordless phone, etc. The press release mentions that you can use ordinary cat-5 cable instead of the wireless. Something tells me many people are going to go that route if they live in a 2.4ghz heavy trafficked area.

    Look at it this way, you're getting around 20-15Mbps (probably closer to 15) of real world usable bandwidth with 802.11g. DVD quality movies use around 6-9 Mbps depending. Unless conditions are very good, you won't get DVD quality stuff without some problems.

    I do wonder if the DVD drive will read data CDRs with divx files on them and play them. Can't see why it couldn't do this and if it does I'm totally buying this thing when it comes out.

  98. linksys is also violating the GPL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    linksys is also in violation of the GPL, many times over. they use linux as the operating systems in many routers. check the lkml for details of the ongoing saga.

  99. Does it actually decode Divx (or MPEG4) onboard? by Gumber · · Score: 1

    I've seen a few of these things that claim to support a variety of formats, but when it comes right down to it, they rely on the PC to decode most of them and pump them to the player.

    Can this thing decode the Divx (and hopefully MPEG4) all by itself, allowing the use of a lightweight machine for the media storage/serving?

  100. Again... by Bill_Royle · · Score: 1

    This isn't a new product. GoVideo's got something that'll do the same thing. I'm sure that 802.11G is possible on that as well if it isn't already (wired is STILL better for streaming video IMHO). If not, a simple module hack would do the trick - the cards they use are standard D-link wireless cards, not some unknown brand.

    Pricing on the GoVideo is probably around 200-250 now, based on LinkSys's past price points, I'd expect they'll show up around the same.

    1. Re:Again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah I expected the same thing at all.


      star x
      photo

  101. not new by f00zbll · · Score: 1

    Philips has a line of products named Streamium that has Wi-Fi built in. they already sell a DVD player which can play DVD's from a PC. I have a streamium boombox that can play MP3 from PC and it works well. it's a pretty sweet unit.

  102. Re:Does it actually decode Divx (or MPEG4) onboard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As far as I know, only the JoyPort (www.joyfaktory.com) plays all these codecs natively. I think it's an EPIA board running Linux with Xine and mplayer ... but it's pricy as hell.

  103. DUDE!!!! by Darth23 · · Score: 1

    Put the frickin Original CD in the DVD player and shut the hell up! Or Make a Music CD from the wav or shn file and THEN put the CD in the DVD player and shut the hell up! If the original "lossless" files then you can skip the mp3 format all together and leave those of us without terabytes of storage space to enjoy out music libraries in peace.

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    -------- In Soviet Russia, "Soviet Russia" sigs hate Slashdot.

    1. Re:DUDE!!!! by renehollan · · Score: 1
      Put the frickin Original CD in the DVD player and shut the hell up!

      The whole point of a networked media client is to avoid having to have all one's media close to it. CDs get heavy and the space they take up adds up.

      Or Make a Music CD from the wav or shn file and THEN put the CD in the DVD player and shut the hell up!

      So, when I want to listen to something, I have to first burn a CD, and then take it to the media client? I'm too much of a couch potato for that: if I'm in the mood for Pink Floyd, I want to select Pink Floyd from the menu on the TV or webpad and go from there.

      If the original "lossless" files then you can skip the mp3 format all together and leave those of us without terabytes of storage space to enjoy out music libraries in peace.

      Terabytes? a 160 GB IDE drive will hold at least 240 CDs in .wav format and around 370 (conservatively) in .shn format. Last time I checked they sold for well under US$200.

      A media client that does not support remote content formats in the same way that it supports local content is just plain dumb: there's no reason for it not to.

      Furthermore, my desire for a media client that supports .wav or .shn files over the network in no way detracts from your enjoyment of one that only supports lossy compressed formats like MP3. I raised the issue because I know many who would find the lack of support for non-lossy formats, like me, a major issue.

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  104. Re:place your bets... I bet a very long time by yppiz · · Score: 1
    In the parent post, AC writes "How many of the current line of Linksys products are hackable? Not many."

    Here are some to get you started:

    Hacking the Linksys WRT54G (how to build new Linux images, compile new tools, etc)

    Hacking the Linksys WRV54G (similar to above).

    Custom Linux CramFS image for the Linksys WAP54G

    Someone's also begun hacking the Linksys WET11

    There may be others.

    --Pat / zippy@cs.brandeis.edu

  105. Pinnacle Showcenter by Seft · · Score: 1

    Another alternative is the Pinnacle Showcenter, which is already avaailable on the Pinnacle website. It got quite a good write up from THG.

    1. Re:Pinnacle Showcenter by Seft · · Score: 1

      http://www6.tomshardware.com/consumer/20031205/ind ex.html

  106. Bluetooth by Loconut1389 · · Score: 1

    Wonder why they dont just toss in a web browser and bluetooth keyboard/mouse support?

  107. LiteOn by Nynaeve · · Score: 1

    I just got a LiteOn LVD-2002 because it plays DivX/MPEG 4. And then something better comes out.
    *sigh*

  108. Re:Qcast for PS2 has been able todo this for years by Mysticalfruit · · Score: 1

    Hmm, that sucks. I'm still using the old version that I bought like a year ago without any problems.

    However, I do use my PS2 to play games, plus I recently purchased a ReplayTV, so I'll soon beable to retire my Qcast stuff.

    With the Replay I've been using a piece of software called (Replay Client) that lets me offload the mpegs to my PC.

    Also, since my living arangements are going to change soon (buying a house) When I setup my playroom it'll allow me to concatnate all my video/audio hardware into once space, so I'll have some better integration.

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  109. hey this is just test by bdoojin · · Score: 1

    I need a writing practice