I'm seeing people in here saying that tomatoes are GMO because they're in the same family as Nightshade.
Not correct. Here's how it works...
Hybrid: Pollen from plant A is daubed on the stamen of plant B, yielding a hybrid. Both the parents and the offspring are the same Genus and species, such as Snap peas, or Pisum sativum. You can hybridize them into many varieties, with different characteristics, such as time to maturity, mildew resistance or sugar content.
Genetically Modified Organism: Genetic material is extracted from organism A and artificially implanted/replaced into the genetic material of organism B. Neither organism are even close to each other, such as adding the genes for luciferase in jellyfish to tobacco plants to track calcium uptake.
Provided one of the Three Laws has the following equation?
If (potential results) > (harm) then DO If (potential results) (harm) then NEXT If (requested action) = (violation of law) then REPORT TO PUBLIC then HALT OPERATION If (requested action) != (violation of law) then NEXT Echo "I am sorry, I cannot comply with that order at this time. The potential for harm is greater than the potential result."
There was a docu-drama out of the UK that covered that? You could probably find it on MVGroup.org, in the Atomic Age section. Can't remember the name of it, but it was a conversation between those very men you speak about.
Worker #1: How much did you get?
W#3: I got 400.
W#2: Not bad. I got 250. You?
W#1: 750.
W#4 (The one who opened the door, in a very weak voice) I got...3000...
Over a year old. Yes, right after the reactors blew up, putting any discussion about Iodine precisely in the center of the bullseye.
And no, they weren't below EPA standards, they were at the last-gasp threshold before they started collecting the milk as radioactive waste.
No, but the detectors at the local plant started shrieking. Mind you, these are only supposed to do that when there is a local leak. As in, right there, at the plant itself. The fact that the contamination made it all the way across the Pacific, across the entire United States, all the way to Vermont should scare the bejabbers out you.
Iodine-131 has a half-life of 8 days. It takes upper atmosphere air approximately 10-12 days to get from Japan to Vermont, assuming an average air speed of 150mph at a distance of 3000 miles, based on a polar route for the jet stream.
There should not BE any I-131 in the milk. It should not have survived the trip. But there is I-131 in the milk. Along with Cs-137. Do you know where I-131 comes from? It comes from Uranium and Plutonium.
So. Either we've got Plutonium and/or Uranium fuel raining down on us, and nobody is telling us? Or the amount of I-131 that was ejected is so massive, that it was able to not only survive the trip, but also be detected in the milk after an additional 3-4 days once the alarm was sounded.
Yeah, I tried that too. I wanted to resurrect an old IBM box with a zippy install of Ubuntu, and it was nice! Until Unity came along. *BOGGGGGGGGG*choke-gasp-gag*
So I chipped in a few pennies for some extra memory, and it pepped up a bit. I ran a cable under my carpet to the living room and set it up as a media center on my screen projector, but the cable got pinched. So I bought a wireless dongle.
A Netgear WNA1100. I plug it into a WinXP machine, and *bink*! Instant connectivity. Done and dusted. I plug it into Precise Pangolin and...and...annnnd...?
Zip. Nada. I search the boards, I scour the help files, I fight and claw my way through page after page of ultra-mega-super geeks asking the newbs to post page after page of process listings. Three...fricking...DAYS of digging.
And THEN, when I finally got it to work, and did everything the tutorial that *I*, not the geeks, *I* put together, it died again after a reboot. And nothing I could do could bring it back again.
I'm no slouch when it comes to hardware. If there's info out there, and I can find it, then I can fix it. I fix my own car, I fix my own machines, I fix my own house, my own wiring, plumbing, appliances...you name it.
But Ubuntu gave me two rare birds. I think my Ubuntu install is endangered.
Anyone staring down the barrel of a police firearm is looking at a scared cop.
It's not exactly something you want to experience in life, but roughly 10% of the population does at some point.
You don't pull your lethal firearm unless you're afraid something bad is going to happen. You can explain it however you like, but at the end of the day, it's plain old fear.
Ah, thank you for that? I've run into that hyphenation problem in the past, just as you described it. I just looked up the proper use of hyphens—which I should have done before—and discovered I'd been using an en dash (-) rather than an em dash (—). Or in this case, I would have been better served using commas.
I don't think law enforcement-in general-is prone to fascism. Fascism is a political/social ideology of extreme patriotism, such that nothing the nation does can be wrong.
I would say that law enforcement is prone to totalitarianism, wherein the populace is strictly controlled in every single aspect of their lives.
This may or may not be a predisposed condition of law enforcement, as in "they were always like that"? Rather, I suspect it is a product of the environment that most law enforcement exists.
Law enforcement is not a 90-10 job, where 90% of the time you're bored out of your skull, and 10% crapping your pants in fear. It's more of a 60--20-40 job, where 60% of the time you're not in danger, but busy as Hell, 20% in actual danger, and 40% trying to catch up on paperwork. Yes, that's 120%, which means most law enforcement is running on a 20% deficit of time. Your finest days are when you can actually go home, on time, with no paperwork hanging over your head.
This cultivates a very dangerous mentality of "Leave me the fuck alone, OR ELSE!". And because all of the other officers are in the same boat, this can foment a culture of totalitarianism, not out of a desire for convenience, but out of the struggle to merely keep one's head above water.
That politicians and the public do not want to provide sufficient warm bodies to reduce the workload on the overall force, only makes the situation worse. You get a feedback loop that only gets worse and worse, until you have officers who have gone beyond thinking "Hitler may have had a good idea," to "This is how I am going to do it!"
Is this acceptable? No. Is this excusable? No.
But it is an explanation of a problem, and that means it can be fixed.
If you are going to do anything even remotely illegal, or you even suspect it might be illegal someplace on this planet, then make SURE you have an iron-clad butt-cover.
Because at the end of the day, male criminals will ALWAYS toss you an anchor, will ALWAYS shove you out of the lifeboat, and will ALWAYS stab you in the side to make sure you limp along and bleed for the sharks.
Hence the conditions: "Proper procedure followed" and "Actual crime".
If you follow proper procedure, you will determine whether or not you actually have jurisdiction. And in the US, the sale of counterfeit goods-where 'counterfeit' in this case marking the items to look exactly like the genuine article, such as Reebock instead of Reebok- is illegal. So in this instance, they appear to have cleared all those conditions.
The agent comes into the room, closing the door behind them, and walks up to the front of the room. There is a large desk, and behind it is a large chair, turned to face the window.
The agent stops in front of the desk and waits. "Reporting, sir."
The chair does not move, but a voice comes from the unseen occupant. "Is it done?"
"Yes sir." The agent stands stock still, as several laser dots play over his chest, head and groin. "I mixed the first half of the binary agent in the bottled water at the hotel. No one else should be affected."
"I see. And the second half?"
"I placed that on the end of his underarm deodorant." The agent smiled at his own ingenuity.
There was a sigh from the chair. "Ah. I suppose that explains it, then."
"Sir?"
The chair slowly turned around. It was bright outside, so the occupant was lit from behind, and impossible to see. "He's alive. He's currently at the hospital and doing well."
The agent fidgeted. "Sir, I.." One of the lasers came close to his eyeball, giving him pause.
"He is a geek, agent. Geeks do not use deodorant. Or soap, for that matter." There was a soft clicking of buttons on a phone console being pressed.
"Begging your pardon sir, but you do." All of the laser dots jumped, as if shocked. In the shadowed chair, a pair of Giorgio Armani glasses gleamed in utter silence.
"Indeed I do." There were a few more soft taps, then a final tap, and the laser sights on the agent began to wink out. "Fair enough, agent. Good try, at least. And good recovery."
"Thank you, sir." The agent let his breath out slowly.
"Yes, I like to think I learned a few things from Steve, before he died." The chair began to turn again. "The receptionist will have your payment. We'll have use for you again, I'm sure."
The agent nodded. "Thank you, sir." He turned sharply on his heel and left the room, closing the door behind him. At the desk, the chair slowly turned to face the Redmond skyline.
1. Only federal employees can be sued under the FTCA, not independent contractors hired by the federal government (unless they are treated like employees).
2. The negligent or wrongful conduct must have been done within the scope of the defendant's employment.
3. In general, only claims of negligence -- as opposed to intentional misconduct -- are allowed (though some claims for intentional misconduct can be brought against certain federal law enforcement officers).
4. The claim must be based on -- and permitted by -- the law of the state in which the misconduct occurred.
1. The FBI can't say "Contractors did this", however, they could point the finger back at the RIAA and say, "They gave us bad info!"
2. Yeah, that meets the criteria. Of course, the FBI can also say that they were "acting in good faith" on the information they were provided by the RIAA. End of lawsuit.
3. That's kinda ambiguous. Does the FBI qualify as "certain federal law enforcement officers"??
4. That's the killer. Where exactly did this happen? Los Angeles? (This is where the servers were.) New York? (The address of the site owner.) Who has jurisdiction, and does that state allow such a lawsuit to proceed? If they both allow it, which one will actually permit it to go ahead? Remember, "allow to go forward" does not mean "will go forward". They can still say no.
1. Your Master is angry at a website, and they are telling you to break the law and take that website down.
2. They pay your salary. They make sure the bosses who give you all your toys and paychecks get elected. They have so much money, they could not spend all of it if they spent 10 million dollars a day, for the next 20 years.
3. If you do not obey, you will not have a job. And you might even wind up in jail on some trumped up charge, much like the trumped up charges you arranged for others you didn't like very much. Oh, and your Master knows about those trumped up charges against an innocent person, so maybe the charges against YOU won't be so trumped up after all.
"At the same time Obama was campaigning on the promise of leaving Iraq."
Maybe that's the whole problem with our strategy? We treat war and occupations like it was a trip to McDonalds. Drive up, place your order, drive out. Maybe sit in the parking lot for a bit to eat, but everyone can see you're not going to stay there for very long.
The British were very different. They moved in conquered the place, and the very first thing they would build was a central government. You didn't have a pot to piss in, but by God, there was a place where you could go to complain about it! And things would expand out from there. People would see you building these huge, government buildings, building homes, paving streets, raising families, and they would understand that hey, these folks are SERIOUS about reconstruction!
Granted, the British treated the locals little better than slaves, but that's not the point? The point is, they were in it for the LONG TERM. As in lifetime.
We really could rebuild Afghanistan, but it would mean acting just like the British. But Americans-and indeed, most of the first world-no longer has any sort of stomach for that sort of long-term brutality and imperiousness.
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I'm seeing people in here saying that tomatoes are GMO because they're in the same family as Nightshade.
Not correct. Here's how it works...
Hybrid: Pollen from plant A is daubed on the stamen of plant B, yielding a hybrid. Both the parents and the offspring are the same Genus and species, such as Snap peas, or Pisum sativum. You can hybridize them into many varieties, with different characteristics, such as time to maturity, mildew resistance or sugar content.
Genetically Modified Organism: Genetic material is extracted from organism A and artificially implanted/replaced into the genetic material of organism B. Neither organism are even close to each other, such as adding the genes for luciferase in jellyfish to tobacco plants to track calcium uptake.
The name for corn is Zea mays. The name for StarLink(TM) is StarLink(TM), because it is an entirely new species that has not been classified under the International Code of Nomenclature for algae, fungi, and plants, by the International Botanical Congress.
So.
Daubing pollen on plants is good. Daubing jellyfish on plants doesn't work. Splicing jellyfish into plants is a Bad Thing.
ARGH! I lost the greater-than symbol in there. Darn you HTML!
Provided one of the Three Laws has the following equation?
If (potential results) > (harm) then DO
If (potential results) (harm) then NEXT
If (requested action) = (violation of law) then REPORT TO PUBLIC then HALT OPERATION
If (requested action) != (violation of law) then NEXT
Echo "I am sorry, I cannot comply with that order at this time. The potential for harm is greater than the potential result."
...is that you can make your own.
Both videos are about 8 minutes long, with a lovely soundtrack, and it goes through the entire process. From raw metal to finished tube.
There was a docu-drama out of the UK that covered that? You could probably find it on MVGroup.org, in the Atomic Age section. Can't remember the name of it, but it was a conversation between those very men you speak about.
Worker #1: How much did you get?
W#3: I got 400.
W#2: Not bad. I got 250. You?
W#1: 750.
W#4 (The one who opened the door, in a very weak voice) I got...3000...
W#1: *snort* Show-off.
Over a year old. Yes, right after the reactors blew up, putting any discussion about Iodine precisely in the center of the bullseye.
And no, they weren't below EPA standards, they were at the last-gasp threshold before they started collecting the milk as radioactive waste.
No, but the detectors at the local plant started shrieking. Mind you, these are only supposed to do that when there is a local leak. As in, right there, at the plant itself. The fact that the contamination made it all the way across the Pacific, across the entire United States, all the way to Vermont should scare the bejabbers out you.
Iodine-131 has a half-life of 8 days. It takes upper atmosphere air approximately 10-12 days to get from Japan to Vermont, assuming an average air speed of 150mph at a distance of 3000 miles, based on a polar route for the jet stream.
There should not BE any I-131 in the milk. It should not have survived the trip. But there is I-131 in the milk. Along with Cs-137. Do you know where I-131 comes from? It comes from Uranium and Plutonium.
So. Either we've got Plutonium and/or Uranium fuel raining down on us, and nobody is telling us? Or the amount of I-131 that was ejected is so massive, that it was able to not only survive the trip, but also be detected in the milk after an additional 3-4 days once the alarm was sounded.
I think your chicken is cooked.
Yeah, I tried that too. I wanted to resurrect an old IBM box with a zippy install of Ubuntu, and it was nice! Until Unity came along. *BOGGGGGGGGG*choke-gasp-gag*
So I chipped in a few pennies for some extra memory, and it pepped up a bit. I ran a cable under my carpet to the living room and set it up as a media center on my screen projector, but the cable got pinched. So I bought a wireless dongle.
A Netgear WNA1100. I plug it into a WinXP machine, and *bink*! Instant connectivity. Done and dusted. I plug it into Precise Pangolin and...and...annnnd...?
Zip. Nada. I search the boards, I scour the help files, I fight and claw my way through page after page of ultra-mega-super geeks asking the newbs to post page after page of process listings. Three...fricking...DAYS of digging.
And THEN, when I finally got it to work, and did everything the tutorial that *I*, not the geeks, *I* put together, it died again after a reboot. And nothing I could do could bring it back again.
I'm no slouch when it comes to hardware. If there's info out there, and I can find it, then I can fix it. I fix my own car, I fix my own machines, I fix my own house, my own wiring, plumbing, appliances...you name it.
But Ubuntu gave me two rare birds. I think my Ubuntu install is endangered.
Anyone staring down the barrel of a police firearm is looking at a scared cop.
It's not exactly something you want to experience in life, but roughly 10% of the population does at some point.
You don't pull your lethal firearm unless you're afraid something bad is going to happen. You can explain it however you like, but at the end of the day, it's plain old fear.
Ah, thank you for that? I've run into that hyphenation problem in the past, just as you described it. I just looked up the proper use of hyphens—which I should have done before—and discovered I'd been using an en dash (-) rather than an em dash (—). Or in this case, I would have been better served using commas.
I don't think law enforcement-in general-is prone to fascism. Fascism is a political/social ideology of extreme patriotism, such that nothing the nation does can be wrong.
I would say that law enforcement is prone to totalitarianism, wherein the populace is strictly controlled in every single aspect of their lives.
This may or may not be a predisposed condition of law enforcement, as in "they were always like that"? Rather, I suspect it is a product of the environment that most law enforcement exists.
Law enforcement is not a 90-10 job, where 90% of the time you're bored out of your skull, and 10% crapping your pants in fear. It's more of a 60--20-40 job, where 60% of the time you're not in danger, but busy as Hell, 20% in actual danger, and 40% trying to catch up on paperwork. Yes, that's 120%, which means most law enforcement is running on a 20% deficit of time. Your finest days are when you can actually go home, on time, with no paperwork hanging over your head.
This cultivates a very dangerous mentality of "Leave me the fuck alone, OR ELSE!". And because all of the other officers are in the same boat, this can foment a culture of totalitarianism, not out of a desire for convenience, but out of the struggle to merely keep one's head above water.
That politicians and the public do not want to provide sufficient warm bodies to reduce the workload on the overall force, only makes the situation worse. You get a feedback loop that only gets worse and worse, until you have officers who have gone beyond thinking "Hitler may have had a good idea," to "This is how I am going to do it!"
Is this acceptable? No.
Is this excusable? No.
But it is an explanation of a problem, and that means it can be fixed.
As it says in the article, it's totally worth seeing the look on her face.
If you are going to do anything even remotely illegal, or you even suspect it might be illegal someplace on this planet, then make SURE you have an iron-clad butt-cover.
Because at the end of the day, male criminals will ALWAYS toss you an anchor, will ALWAYS shove you out of the lifeboat, and will ALWAYS stab you in the side to make sure you limp along and bleed for the sharks.
One name: Dick Cheney.
Hence the conditions: "Proper procedure followed" and "Actual crime".
If you follow proper procedure, you will determine whether or not you actually have jurisdiction. And in the US, the sale of counterfeit goods-where 'counterfeit' in this case marking the items to look exactly like the genuine article, such as Reebock instead of Reebok- is illegal. So in this instance, they appear to have cleared all those conditions.
ACTUAL crime being committed? Check.
Warrant? Check.
Proper procedure followed? Check.
Crime investigated? Check.
Crime confirmed? Check.
Crime properly documented? Check.
PUBLIC DULY INFORMED???
Check and check.
I don't have a problem with this.
The agent comes into the room, closing the door behind them, and walks up to the front of the room. There is a large desk, and behind it is a large chair, turned to face the window.
The agent stops in front of the desk and waits. "Reporting, sir."
The chair does not move, but a voice comes from the unseen occupant. "Is it done?"
"Yes sir." The agent stands stock still, as several laser dots play over his chest, head and groin. "I mixed the first half of the binary agent in the bottled water at the hotel. No one else should be affected."
"I see. And the second half?"
"I placed that on the end of his underarm deodorant." The agent smiled at his own ingenuity.
There was a sigh from the chair. "Ah. I suppose that explains it, then."
"Sir?"
The chair slowly turned around. It was bright outside, so the occupant was lit from behind, and impossible to see. "He's alive. He's currently at the hospital and doing well."
The agent fidgeted. "Sir, I.." One of the lasers came close to his eyeball, giving him pause.
"He is a geek, agent. Geeks do not use deodorant. Or soap, for that matter." There was a soft clicking of buttons on a phone console being pressed.
"Begging your pardon sir, but you do." All of the laser dots jumped, as if shocked. In the shadowed chair, a pair of Giorgio Armani glasses gleamed in utter silence.
"Indeed I do." There were a few more soft taps, then a final tap, and the laser sights on the agent began to wink out. "Fair enough, agent. Good try, at least. And good recovery."
"Thank you, sir." The agent let his breath out slowly.
"Yes, I like to think I learned a few things from Steve, before he died." The chair began to turn again. "The receptionist will have your payment. We'll have use for you again, I'm sure."
The agent nodded. "Thank you, sir." He turned sharply on his heel and left the room, closing the door behind him. At the desk, the chair slowly turned to face the Redmond skyline.
"Another time, Richard."
Testicular cancer.
Actually, no. No ball was dropped here? The system is performing perfectly, precisely as it was designed.
Nothing is wrong. Continue shopping.
1. The FBI can't say "Contractors did this", however, they could point the finger back at the RIAA and say, "They gave us bad info!"
2. Yeah, that meets the criteria. Of course, the FBI can also say that they were "acting in good faith" on the information they were provided by the RIAA. End of lawsuit.
3. That's kinda ambiguous. Does the FBI qualify as "certain federal law enforcement officers"??
4. That's the killer. Where exactly did this happen? Los Angeles? (This is where the servers were.) New York? (The address of the site owner.) Who has jurisdiction, and does that state allow such a lawsuit to proceed? If they both allow it, which one will actually permit it to go ahead? Remember, "allow to go forward" does not mean "will go forward". They can still say no.
1. Your Master is angry at a website, and they are telling you to break the law and take that website down.
2. They pay your salary. They make sure the bosses who give you all your toys and paychecks get elected. They have so much money, they could not spend all of it if they spent 10 million dollars a day, for the next 20 years.
3. If you do not obey, you will not have a job. And you might even wind up in jail on some trumped up charge, much like the trumped up charges you arranged for others you didn't like very much. Oh, and your Master knows about those trumped up charges against an innocent person, so maybe the charges against YOU won't be so trumped up after all.
And the final kicker...
4. You are the US government. YOU get to decide if someone can sue you for something.
So. You have...
100% immunity
100% profit.
100% job satisfaction.
100% power.
See? Math is easy.
Don't trust anyone with a UID over six digits!
Trying another false-flag operation? Going for #Anti-Sec 2?
I doubt if would even get that far. Turns out that NZ and the US aren't just in bed with each other, the US has NZ gimped out.
"At the same time Obama was campaigning on the promise of leaving Iraq."
Maybe that's the whole problem with our strategy? We treat war and occupations like it was a trip to McDonalds. Drive up, place your order, drive out. Maybe sit in the parking lot for a bit to eat, but everyone can see you're not going to stay there for very long.
The British were very different. They moved in conquered the place, and the very first thing they would build was a central government. You didn't have a pot to piss in, but by God, there was a place where you could go to complain about it! And things would expand out from there. People would see you building these huge, government buildings, building homes, paving streets, raising families, and they would understand that hey, these folks are SERIOUS about reconstruction!
Granted, the British treated the locals little better than slaves, but that's not the point? The point is, they were in it for the LONG TERM. As in lifetime.
We really could rebuild Afghanistan, but it would mean acting just like the British. But Americans-and indeed, most of the first world-no longer has any sort of stomach for that sort of long-term brutality and imperiousness.
Slashdot needs a moderation code for Awesome.
Thank you, sir!