Their actions speak of desperation. They are biting off way more than they can chew. If anyone was unsure if they were going to be able to survive a loss in the IBM suit, this makes it certian that they have bet more than they can pay.
Let me get this straigt again. Its trying to prove it owns part of linux in the case with IBM. And now its going to use sue Google because they are using linux which they have yet to prove they own parts of. Great. Isn't that like using a loan for collateral for another loan?
Well, you see it has been show that 70% of the population does not understand statistics and there is a 1 in 10 chance that the next person you talk to does not understand probability. Then again, 85% of statistics are made up.
Every one saw it here first! I coined LID! Patent Pending, Patent Pending, Patent Pending! Hands off. Just kidding, but that would be a cool name for it. BTW I know Microsoft says 2006, but come on, thats at least 2 years from now. As Xtreme programming says "Any time estimate greater than 2 weeks is made up". They won't have it ready until 2008 at the earliest. Giving me enough time to excriment monkees. You know, on second thought that sound painful. Scratch that.
Which will really happen first? In many ways the end result will determine the REST OF HISTORY. Or maybe not. There will have to be a unified vision and presentation before Inux on the desktop makes it to the coperate space or the consumer. And as we all know Longhorn will be ready when flying monkees fly out of my butt. Any one want to place bets? Please, No Macheads, i"m strictly talking x86/ platform.
Mircosoft does contribute to open standards... when it benifits them. It has many reps on many different Working committes of the w3c, and has submitted C# and the.NET sub structure to standards committies. I think that they feel that Standard Bodies move far too slow for them to continue to do new and exciting things. Microsoft is *Nothing* like IBM used to be. IBM could not even get everyone to adopt microchannel, Microsoft has a history of being able to have their way in the PC industry. Until they have a flop like microchannel, they will continue to go their own way when they feel like it.
Microsoft is on the SVG board and contributed many technologies to it. Look at how the timing works in SVG compared to a previous MS technology called HTML_TIME. I think they might just have a common ancestor.
Slashdot can be regarded as a reputable news source? Since when? Slashdot does not write news or any other content. They just post links to other suposedly reputable news sources. One cannot expect Slashdot to research all of the detials printed in every story before they post it. That is obsurd.
Thanks, I think yours was the first intersting reply.
But, I don't think I would do it to scratch a personal itch. There are many things that i could do myself and *NOT* release under a free license other than the BillSoftwareLicense(based on the Netscape or Apple Public license). The GPL only requires you to submit you mods if you distribute it.
It would seem that everyone is reading what they themselves think out of my post. I never said I wanted to be paid for using software. What I am saying is that I have a talent. A Talent that I want to share with the world. I am gratefull that others before me have chosen to share theirs as well in a form that allows me to learn from them. Thats the good part of OSS. However, there are certain economic realities in this world that are inescapable.
Money is nessisary to pay the bills. Neccisary, to obtain hardware that facilitates the further creation of software. In an ideal world (economically perfect), all work would be compensated in accordance with its worth to society. Our world is not that world. In a propreitary closed source software model, developers are compensated at a constant fixed rate. Any cost or benifit due to a variance in the quality of work produced from said employee is born by the company. That can be benificial or detremental to the develoeper as well. The Wally's of the world benift and the Alices suffer. Now take the OSS model and look at it from the perspective of a developer whos work is not subidised by a large coperation ( Uh, IBM, HP, Red hat or others). The only benift he can hope for is to impress one such company so that they become a patron. Or they can just continue to benifit from your work with out so much as throwing a dime your way. I attempting ( however poorly) to derive an alternative method to encourage code sharing (a good thing) while providing some sort of fair compensation to those who cotribute.
I hope you have a better understanding of what I was getting at, and why it was modded up. I am after much bigger fish than Fedora. I am much more interested in the economic philospical implications of the OSS model. For years, the conventional wisdom on sights such as Slashdot has been that Propietary software was some how less fair, and "evil". I certianly understand part of that viewpoint, but that does not make the inverse nessisarly true. OSS may actually be less fair as currently implamented.
Redhat wants us to develop and test fedora for free, turn around sell it to enteprise for big bucks. That is obvious, not redundant you crazy moderators. What I'm trying to get at is, that I don't see this as a good thing, but it must be the model for development if OSS is to thrive. I guess what I'm saying is that I don't want to develop for free. Linus took quite a gamble that sorta paid off for him( not big, but he will always have plenty of job oppertunites).
What about a model where OSS developers get paid for the quality of code they check in? I guess that would be freelancing,which we would still get the stick in terms of benifits ect. But, that would be better than the current state of affairs. I bet a company that set up a simular structure could do well if it didn't burn up its cash first. On second thought, the GPL would allow any competitor to just take the source the company just paid for. It would have to be an industry wide thing. I'm sure there are many other flaws that other posters will point out. Well, have at it.
Ok great you have standard ballets that the computer spit out. What if it was runing low on toner? What if the print head was damaged? What if the software redirected 1 of 100 votes from cannadite X to cannadite Y? What counts the votes? What software does that run? There are so many questions that are still unanswerable. I don't think we can ever have a perfect election in which all votes are correctly tabulated. We just sort of have to do our best to insure that it is very difficult to cheat, and ensure that any systematic error is evenly distributed geographically.
I know its been mentioned before, but I *Really* would feel more comfortable if the code for the evoting machines was completely open source. But then again, how easy would it be to modify the source and reinstall it? Voting is difficult in mass quantities. I don't know how we trust the results of any election. Its probely just as easy to skew the results of a paper election
It read much like a financial review of a company. Take the buzz words, guess wildy, base predictions of your guesses. Granted the author was intellegent and understood the basics, but with out a deeper understanding of the specifics he cannot really give reasons for performance or lack their of.
After reading MS responce to Lindows freepc campagn, I found this:
Claims submitted through the www.msfreepc.com website will be invalid because the Settlement Agreement does not permit retailers or other vendors of qualifying hardware and software to submit claims on behalf of claimants. In addition, to prevent the development of a "gray market" for settlement vouchers, the Agreement contains clear restrictions on the transferability of claims and vouchers. Claims cannot be transferred at all and a transferee of vouchers may not redeem more than $10,000 in transferred vouchers. See Settlement Agreement, sections IV.F and V.B.2.(1)
So it seems to me that FSF would be unable to redeem more than $10,000 worth of vouchers.
True, but its not a bad sign. It seems a number of those benchmarks are made with outdated processors, I imagine at somepoint someone is going to try to get a benchmark on a Win03 server that runs on Opetron or Itanium and oracle. Then we can sorta compare the relitive strengths of the OS' running the benchmark.
Mircrosoft responded to the freepc promotion giveaway that lindows has. I think they said that it wasn't legal because it requires a pen and ink signature on the voucher, and the vouchers may be non transferable. The first part wouldn't be a problem, but the second could be an obsticle. I was going to look at the letter they sent lindows, but it has been removed from the lindows website.
Looks like linux is moving up in the world. I'm still impressed by teradata. But what is MP-RAS 3.02.00 OS that the 3,000 GB Results on Terra Data ran on?
Who the heck cares if a company is the first with an idea or the second or the third , or fifty thousandth? Do you think the stockholders care? We need companies that can bring us completely new products. We also need companies that can bring us higher quality lower cost versions of existing products or services. I'm not saying thats what microsoft is doing in this case, but seriously who cares? Or should I say Why do you or anyone else care? Quality and performace should be the benchmarks, not who first released.
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Their actions speak of desperation. They are biting off way more than they can chew. If anyone was unsure if they were going to be able to survive a loss in the IBM suit, this makes it certian that they have bet more than they can pay.
Let me get this straigt again. Its trying to prove it owns part of linux in the case with IBM. And now its going to use sue Google because they are using linux which they have yet to prove they own parts of. Great. Isn't that like using a loan for collateral for another loan?
Well, you see it has been show that 70% of the population does not understand statistics and there is a 1 in 10 chance that the next person you talk to does not understand probability. Then again, 85% of statistics are made up.
Every one saw it here first! I coined LID! Patent Pending, Patent Pending, Patent Pending! Hands off. Just kidding, but that would be a cool name for it. BTW I know Microsoft says 2006, but come on, thats at least 2 years from now. As Xtreme programming says "Any time estimate greater than 2 weeks is made up". They won't have it ready until 2008 at the earliest. Giving me enough time to excriment monkees. You know, on second thought that sound painful. Scratch that.
Which will really happen first? In many ways the end result will determine the REST OF HISTORY. Or maybe not. There will have to be a unified vision and presentation before Inux on the desktop makes it to the coperate space or the consumer. And as we all know Longhorn will be ready when flying monkees fly out of my butt. Any one want to place bets? Please, No Macheads, i"m strictly talking x86/ platform.
Mircosoft does contribute to open standards ... when it benifits them. It has many reps on many different Working committes of the w3c, and has submitted C# and the .NET sub structure to standards committies. I think that they feel that Standard Bodies move far too slow for them to continue to do new and exciting things. Microsoft is *Nothing* like IBM used to be. IBM could not even get everyone to adopt microchannel, Microsoft has a history of being able to have their way in the PC industry. Until they have a flop like microchannel, they will continue to go their own way when they feel like it.
Microsoft is on the SVG board and contributed many technologies to it. Look at how the timing works in SVG compared to a previous MS technology called HTML_TIME. I think they might just have a common ancestor.
See my previous post for more details. This could be the future of OSS.
Slashdot can be regarded as a reputable news source? Since when? Slashdot does not write news or any other content. They just post links to other suposedly reputable news sources. One cannot expect Slashdot to research all of the detials printed in every story before they post it. That is obsurd.
I'm a slim 120 Lbs. Looks like I'm getting out alive!
Thanks, I think yours was the first intersting reply.
But, I don't think I would do it to scratch a personal itch. There are many things that i could do myself and *NOT* release under a free license other than the BillSoftwareLicense(based on the Netscape or Apple Public license). The GPL only requires you to submit you mods if you distribute it.
It would seem that everyone is reading what they themselves think out of my post. I never said I wanted to be paid for using software. What I am saying is that I have a talent. A Talent that I want to share with the world. I am gratefull that others before me have chosen to share theirs as well in a form that allows me to learn from them. Thats the good part of OSS. However, there are certain economic realities in this world that are inescapable.
Money is nessisary to pay the bills. Neccisary, to obtain hardware that facilitates the further creation of software. In an ideal world (economically perfect), all work would be compensated in accordance with its worth to society. Our world is not that world. In a propreitary closed source software model, developers are compensated at a constant fixed rate. Any cost or benifit due to a variance in the quality of work produced from said employee is born by the company. That can be benificial or detremental to the develoeper as well. The Wally's of the world benift and the Alices suffer. Now take the OSS model and look at it from the perspective of a developer whos work is not subidised by a large coperation ( Uh, IBM, HP, Red hat or others). The only benift he can hope for is to impress one such company so that they become a patron. Or they can just continue to benifit from your work with out so much as throwing a dime your way. I attempting ( however poorly) to derive an alternative method to encourage code sharing (a good thing) while providing some sort of fair compensation to those who cotribute.
I hope you have a better understanding of what I was getting at, and why it was modded up. I am after much bigger fish than Fedora. I am much more interested in the economic philospical implications of the OSS model. For years, the conventional wisdom on sights such as Slashdot has been that Propietary software was some how less fair, and "evil". I certianly understand part of that viewpoint, but that does not make the inverse nessisarly true. OSS may actually be less fair as currently implamented.
I admit all of what you say in my post! Its amazing how lazy slashdotters are.
Redhat wants us to develop and test fedora for free, turn around sell it to enteprise for big bucks. That is obvious, not redundant you crazy moderators. What I'm trying to get at is, that I don't see this as a good thing, but it must be the model for development if OSS is to thrive. I guess what I'm saying is that I don't want to develop for free. Linus took quite a gamble that sorta paid off for him( not big, but he will always have plenty of job oppertunites).
What about a model where OSS developers get paid for the quality of code they check in? I guess that would be freelancing,which we would still get the stick in terms of benifits ect. But, that would be better than the current state of affairs. I bet a company that set up a simular structure could do well if it didn't burn up its cash first. On second thought, the GPL would allow any competitor to just take the source the company just paid for. It would have to be an industry wide thing. I'm sure there are many other flaws that other posters will point out. Well, have at it.
Ok great you have standard ballets that the computer spit out. What if it was runing low on toner? What if the print head was damaged? What if the software redirected 1 of 100 votes from cannadite X to cannadite Y? What counts the votes? What software does that run? There are so many questions that are still unanswerable. I don't think we can ever have a perfect election in which all votes are correctly tabulated. We just sort of have to do our best to insure that it is very difficult to cheat, and ensure that any systematic error is evenly distributed geographically.
I know its been mentioned before, but I *Really* would feel more comfortable if the code for the evoting machines was completely open source. But then again, how easy would it be to modify the source and reinstall it? Voting is difficult in mass quantities. I don't know how we trust the results of any election. Its probely just as easy to skew the results of a paper election
Obviously they can't count that high. They only have 3500 fingers!
If this post doesn't make any sence, I say blame Canada(and their refreshing beers)!
It read much like a financial review of a company. Take the buzz words, guess wildy, base predictions of your guesses. Granted the author was intellegent and understood the basics, but with out a deeper understanding of the specifics he cannot really give reasons for performance or lack their of.
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The link specified in your post:
o ftware/en/xa21.htm
http://www.gepower.com/prod_serv/products/scada_s
Brings up a 404 on Ge's website.
After reading MS responce to Lindows freepc campagn, I found this:
Claims submitted through the www.msfreepc.com website will be invalid because the Settlement Agreement does not permit retailers or other vendors of qualifying hardware and software to submit claims on behalf of claimants. In addition, to prevent the development of a "gray market" for settlement vouchers, the Agreement contains clear restrictions on the transferability of claims and vouchers. Claims cannot be transferred at all and a transferee of vouchers may not redeem more than $10,000 in transferred vouchers. See Settlement Agreement, sections IV.F and V.B.2.(1)
So it seems to me that FSF would be unable to redeem more than $10,000 worth of vouchers.
Ok. Thanks. The link from the micheal's minute pointed to the wrong spot.
True, but its not a bad sign. It seems a number of those benchmarks are made with outdated processors, I imagine at somepoint someone is going to try to get a benchmark on a Win03 server that runs on Opetron or Itanium and oracle. Then we can sorta compare the relitive strengths of the OS' running the benchmark.
Mircrosoft responded to the freepc promotion giveaway that lindows has. I think they said that it wasn't legal because it requires a pen and ink signature on the voucher, and the vouchers may be non transferable. The first part wouldn't be a problem, but the second could be an obsticle. I was going to look at the letter they sent lindows, but it has been removed from the lindows website.
Looks like linux is moving up in the world.
I'm still impressed by teradata.
But what is MP-RAS 3.02.00 OS that the 3,000 GB Results on Terra Data ran on?
Who the heck cares if a company is the first with an idea or the second or the third , or fifty thousandth? Do you think the stockholders care? We need companies that can bring us completely new products. We also need companies that can bring us higher quality lower cost versions of existing products or services. I'm not saying thats what microsoft is doing in this case, but seriously who cares? Or should I say Why do you or anyone else care? Quality and performace should be the benchmarks, not who first released.