But Im NOT asking permition from the RIAA, I'm just typing in one fraking password and bam I'm done. and once its authorized it cant be deauthorized, like I dont need a internet connection to be going just to play it. And obviously if they decide to say no you cant play your songs anymore there will be hell to pay since fair use says I can, and nothing they can do can stop that, even if it is a DRM song.
And the truth is our rights are getting smashed by them every minute, thats what I mean by we are already losing. We are giving them ammo that they are using back on us.
Honestly in this case we are actually gaining something back. Previous (RIAA run) trading sights have raped users cold, just as all of the windows media ones still do. At least here we actually HAVE rights, so already your idea of we lose rights is wrong since technically we didnt have those rights before iTunes started, Apple made a DRM that for the most part is VERY liberal (I mean COME ON the only restriction is on how many computers, how many times does that have to be said) before you where restricted on even how many times your where alowed to play a freaking song. It's a step in the right direction.
honestly there really is no way we can trully win, for that to happen the RIAA would have to be dissolved and right now they are in a better possition than the freaking Tabbaco company, and those guys make a product that KILLS YOU.
Like I said the only way to win is pull teeth, let them yell and stamp, but not have any ammo. a DRM solution, if its done properly like Apple has is exactly that, they can scream and yell all they want, but if people buy there music and it shows that they are all blowing smoke with no data to show that a online consumer model doesnt work, they are fucked.
>But I can play any CD I buy on as many computers as I want. Why would I buy something new with restrictions? Especially when they have to compete (rightly or wrongly) with a black market that is providing unrestricted audio for free?
Well if the RIAA has its way that will end, CD's will not play in CD-roms and we would be fucked thaty way as well. I have no problem having only three computers play my songs, like i said only one really does.
>I admit Apple's DRM is better than anything else out there. But I've already bumped into the 3 computer limit twice. Tell me what happens if you've got three computers authorized amd one goes kaput and needs to be replaced.
had that happen, I called, explained the problem (my iBook was destroyed at work and I had to buy a replacement) they deauthorized all of my computers for me, I just had to re-authorize them again, no problems.
>I don't break the law. I use my audio tracks legally and fairly. I don't use P2P. But I am glad that this utility will allow me to use my legally acquired songs in a trouble free manner on any computer or player I choose.
problem is using it breaks the DCMA, which is breaking the law, your going around the DRM which is illegal even if your using it for your own use, when the law changes then things will be different, but for now we are screwed.
>As long as people don't accept unfair treatment, history has shown again and again that in the end the public wins because the public drives business and government, not the other way around.
but you CAN fight against unfair treatment and still let the RIAA beleive its winning by doing this, because their arguments right now say there is no way you can stop p2p but by getting rid of our ability to play cd's in our computers, or by sueing children. we are proving that no, here we have a system that alowes people to fairly buy music, play the tracks everywhere (because im sorry like i said before if you need your tracks on more than three computers you have problems, I work in IT and have not needed my mp3's to be on more than two computers AT most) and have fair use. Letting someone copy your cd and use it without paying ISNT FAIR USE, its stealing. People have to understand that thats never been legal, its been easdy to do, but never legal.
>Remember: every single person using the iTunes store would have used it just the same if there was no DRM. And every track on the iTunes store is already available for free on P2P networks. DRM accomplishes nothing but to annoy consumers. There is no reason we have to accept it. If the RIAA is going to live or die it has nothing to do with DRM.
hasn't annoyed me one bit, I have more important worries like paying rent and finishing up college or if my boss is going to go on the warpath to worry about not being able to listen to songs on more than 3 computers. And actually my p2p use has dropped to nill since the iTunes store has come out (I have bought 7 albums already from the iTunes store)
your arguments are valid, but your missing the point, we are already losing, there is no way we can win as long as there are polititans out there who have no fucking clue what we are talking about (which is just about..... all of them) In the future we can change it, when we come of age enough to do it, but most people dont give a rats ass, nor do they understand the technology, and while we understand whats going on, there are too few of us to make a difference at the moment. We still live in a society where you can get away with not knowing computers and the politics and laws involved. Thats going to change, we just have to wait and keep the tide held back long enough till we can change it.
see phone conversation recording in the US is illegal if the other party doesnt know except for a few states.
And you info is slightly offf, its 10 CD's with the same playlist
Example) I have the new Throwing muses CD, I can burn the album in the order it is 10 times, then I have to remix them (ie move a song around) then I can burn them 10 more times. its unlimited on the burns, likewise i can put it on as many iPods as I want, your only limit is it can only be 3 PC's, add a fourth, you have to deauthorize one of the others, so you can put it on more than three, you just have to authorize and deauthorize the computers (which you do in program thankfully, no need to call up apple or anything.)
See I like to think people would be nice like you say, honestly I wouldnt even think to use a scanner for that reson, but I know so many people who do either for shits and giggles of listening on someones sex talk with a partner to actually using it to blackmail people that Im glad the law is in place.
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didnt say she would hurt me (though she's irish with a temper so she might) but she would beat me:-D
But we are talking about three COMPUTERS, not three players. You can play these tracks on as many iPods as you want, you can burn these tracks onto a CD and play it on as many players as you want as much as you want. it's that simple. Im sorry I technically own three computers (2 at home and 1 at work) only my laptop though has the tracks, if I want to play them at work I either plug my iPod into a set of computer speakers at work, or since I always have my laptop with me, play them from there. I used to share my files to my work computer but honestly i just dont listen to music at work that much, not with administrators and kids running in and out of my office.
The only way you beat the beast is by pulling it's teeth. Thats what DRM does, it says here you can give consumers the right to play songs, but not give them limits to how many times there played, or even how many mix CD's or full album CD's they can have. Download 1 album, I can make 10 copies of said album. after that I need to mix up the tracks, but since when have you needed 10 compies of a album unless you where pirating the cd's out to friends, which has been and always will be wrong.
So we have a DRM that works, the RIAA wants more power, we can show them "HEY jackasses, we have proven that you can make do with this, why do you need even more power? Your making money, they are keeping their rights, so buzz off maybe its your product thats sucking now!)
Listen I have no love lost for the RIAA, thats why I support indie music and if you looked at my collection nearly 80% of it is exactly that. But breaking the law to get back at them only ends in us losing ALL rights as consumers. We show that no matter what we cant be trusted to not use our music in a legal way so everyone must be treated as a criminal.
You prove their case by fighting back like that, and while before, witrh a way to show them we will legaly pay for the music if its resonably priced ( $.99 a song is a little much, but albums are 10 bucks, I dont know where you shop but around the NY area you cant beat that unless it is a indie album and a lot of indie albums cost 15 bucks as well and I have no problem having the songs be Mp4's with no album art if I save 5-7 bucks and dont pay tax, which you dont using the store.) we had a fighting chance, NOW we lose outright and its your fault.
a) HOW??? how do we lose if a decent DRM model that gives the user rights but prevents someone who didnt pay for said music from playing it is created? You say we lose but dont back it up with anything.
b) ok the reson cell ranges where banned was because it promoted easdropping, The US has a lot of rules against easdropping fo you can feel safe that 99% of the time someone isnt listening in. (despite all the conspiricy minded people might want you to think)
an example. My aunt and uncle where having a child, this was her 3 attempt. She told someone in my family (I think it was her sister cant remeber cause it was 8 years ago) But she didnt tell us for fear of it being another misscarage. WELL somoeone in the neighborhood DID easdrop on the convo with a scanner.
Because of this the rest of my family had to be told, because said person told the whole neighborhood, and one of those people mentioned something to my grandmother WHO DIDNT KNOW.
long story short, the guy who did the easdropping saw my aunt and asked how the child was coming along... 2 weeks after her fourth misscarage. yes you can guess how that went., The guys wife ended up destroying the scanner and threatened to turn the guy in if he ever did it again.
Granted this was a scanner that picked up the older model portable phones and not cellphones but still listening in on private conversations is wrong, and for any good it might do, is in the end loaded with missuse
c) and with that your a criminal if said friends DONT have a right to own those copies (IE dont own the album) likewise a good point could be made to, "if they do have a right to have said music, why dont they rip the copies themselves, why do YOU have to give it to them."
Last but not least your canadian, iTunes doesnt work for you unless you have a US billing address, SO since you havent tried it, you have no right to complain about a DRM you haven't even experienced.
honestly we cant beat the RIAA, there is no way in hell unless california falls off the face of the earth (sorry to all those nice californians) , they are WAY too strong.
SO Apple plays nice, they give us fair use, but give them the controls they want, but ONLY controls that limit trading, really if you need your songs to be on three computers at the same time, you have problems, but you can burn them and put them on as man iPods as you want. It's your music, you just have to make sure it stays YOUR music.
So what do some of us do, PROVE that the whole lot of us are diviants and hack the freaking DRM, PROVING the RIAA right that they shoulkd have tighter control.
They win. They couldnt win if Apple proved a DRM model could work and still could give the users the rights they where garenteed to have. But this proves that people dont care, they are willing to hack things and now willfully break the law (since it IS illegal to hack DRM files acouding to the DCMA no matter how flawed the law is) letting the RIAA say "See we need more control," and getting it, instead of them saying "See we need more control," and being asked why cause there is a proven model that shows they dont need it.
WAKE UP EVERYONE, THE FREE NAPSTER RIDE IS OVER, If we want a feasable working internet media model that allows us to have films and music, and anything else, we have to make sacrafices.
It's just like free speech, we all want it but the minute someone says something we dont like we try to censor them, and we cant. IT DOSEN'T WORK BOTH WAYS.
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HEY HEY HEY
Dont judge us all by the wierdo's who would do something like that:-D
K maybe its cause I have a girlfriend, but if someone where to come up to me and want to plug into my iPod, no matter HOW sexy she was, I think I might just run away for fear of
a) my iPod being stolen
b) my girlfriend seeing it and beating the shit out of me
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but you know so few apple viruses out there, it could be like the 70's again compaired to Window's 80's
no really we KNOW you want to say yes, wait you said no??? huh I cant here you it sounded like yes. whats that? you said no you would love to have our spa.. er I mean emails sent to you
well you asked for it....
Linux/Unix = Geeks who REALLY know their shit, use Unix at work (or wish they could but cant thanks to managment) and who generallly want a system that doesnt have microsofts taint on it, but also dont want to spend the money to buy a mac, would rather use a x86 chip, and/or like having full control of their system.
Mac OS X = either upgrading (or new) users who
a) love the simplicity and style and dont mind shelling out 2-3 hundred extra to get the "Apple" lifestyle (and dont say there isnt a lifestyle cause I used to WORK for Apple as a campus rep, I know there is a lifestyle, they actually have us bill it as a lifestyle and as a part of your life, not a appliance, hence showing people rocking out with a iPod, or people editing home movies when really who edits home movies?)
b) former apple user who wants to play with BSD and Unix, but doesnt want to have a dedicated machine (or partition) to do it so would rather have a machine that yes can work with unix programs and have all the benifits of a unix machine, but also has the nice comfortable mac gui that for all its strength and weaknesses is the reason why we bought a Macintosh when a Windows PC could work just as well.
And Windows
a) People who saw price and really didnt care as long as it was cheap and did what they needed to do.
b) Came from the buisness world and used to use Windows 3.1 / 95 so feel comfortable with it, even if they have problems with it
c) Learned it in school because the school bought PC's instead of Macs (so they feel comfortable with it even if they have problems
d) gamers
All of which (except gamers for the most part but I know a few who do it as well) treat their systems like a tool, it breaks fix it, too much to fix it, buy a new one. Or they hate the system they are using but refuse to buy a different machine or load a different OS cause they dont want to either relearn, or they have grown up learning everything is inferior to Windows.
If you think about it, how many Linux or Mac users do you see running old systems compaired to Windows users, you might be surprise to find a LOT of them, cause we treat our computers with much more respect than a typical user would, maybe for different reasons some might have spent a lot of money on it, some might have spent a lot of time on it, and some just generally love their computer, but compaired to a windows user All my mac and linux friends have at least 2 or 3 if not more boxes at home (I personally have 5 macs from a SE 30 on up to my iBook 900mhz, and one old leading edge with a 486DX2 which replaced the 386sx that was in it all working perfectly) why my Windows using friends have one or two (maybe a laptop and a tower) sometimes they have a third (like my roomate) most times they tossed their old one and replaced it with a new one.
OK yes that was long, YES I cant spell (never have and I dont give a fuck either I have better things to do than proof a board posting) but thats how I have always viewed things.
course Im biased cause Im a mac user and all my friends have picked on me through school cause of it, but when it comes down to their systems, I can name every part, have overclocked 2 systems by desoldering jumpers on a board, and tailored my OS to how I like it and what I want installed since OS 7, and half my friends dont even know what a CPU is and TOOK computer classes in school with me where our teacher showed them what a CPU looks like. Im only 5 years out of highschool (finishing up college) thats not a lot of time and to have forgotten something so important to what you use...
K I'm done..
my SE 30 runs OS 6 perfectly fine, dont know what all this fuss about upgrading every freaking year is about, You dont want to upgrade??? you dont HAVE to upgrade
christ we have the spelling patrol now on/.
what ever happened to ignoring poor spelling and talking about TECH!!!!!!
(sorry dont mean to rant on you, cause your certainly not the only one and thank you for pointing out the mistake)
The Tablet is like Steve Job's Cube, It looked really cool, it performed decently though not great, but it costs too much and is too much of a nitch market to ever be of value.
Bill should take Job's lead and end it with a "stop production but not tossing it out yet" quote like Jobs and go on to other things... like maybe fixing holes (sorry had to say it, hold on a minute while I put on this flame retardent suit)
lol, well kefka WAS a deranged clown, hence the name Kefka.
If you ever get FF6 (the remade version) there is a CG version of him, who is VERY scarry (though also very feminin)
aanyway you might be surprised with 9, I just finally started to play it and I must say it is VERY refreshing compaired to 8 and 10. I personally love the many references to the other games myself (Aliens like in 4, well ok they where moonmen there but whatever, the story to get Daggers first summon is FF2 Jp, some of the towns are named after past towns and or characters Iffa tree = Tiffa etc.) but the story is actually really good, though it seems to be kinda short since im on disk 3 and i have only played 20 hours
huh, Im replaying FF7 and except for a little bit more feminin eyes, and purple veins all over the place, sephiroth looks EXACTLY like he does in FF7 as he does in Advent Children,
the scene where he is walking through fire, is a direct copy of the CGI from the game after you visit the village and learn about cloud and sephiroths past. Infact the flames match so well, I would be incline to think it is actually THE scene from the game taken and re-mapped.
I do agree on the generic squarsoft hero though, my girlfriend was at a convention where there was a guy walking around with a sign on him saying generic Square-Enix RPG hero for hire. As my girldfriends sister calls it
Why does everyones hair all pointy and why does everyone FREAKING look related.
it is back, it actually is comming back in X-2. that was probably one of the biggest complaints of X I heard.
And having played every FF except 3 (including owning the original 1,2 and 3 and playing the "real versions" of all three) I for one quiet enjoy FF still, infact I feel its heyday has yet to be seen.
It is one of those games that I could go 5 years yet still come back and play, and there is not that many of those out there these days.
Infact I am finding the only FF I really dont like (other than Tatics which I couldnt get into and the FF advernture kiddy game which I also own) is FF 8 cause its storyline played like a episode of Gaia 90210!!!
HA you mean something informative is not being shown on slashdot because the moderator system is showing its age and lack of keeping out the "Stupid 13 year old punk" factor....
whats the wrold coming to
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Google: Yo Billy Boy, resist this asshole!!!!!!
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And the truth is our rights are getting smashed by them every minute, thats what I mean by we are already losing. We are giving them ammo that they are using back on us.
Honestly in this case we are actually gaining something back. Previous (RIAA run) trading sights have raped users cold, just as all of the windows media ones still do. At least here we actually HAVE rights, so already your idea of we lose rights is wrong since technically we didnt have those rights before iTunes started, Apple made a DRM that for the most part is VERY liberal (I mean COME ON the only restriction is on how many computers, how many times does that have to be said) before you where restricted on even how many times your where alowed to play a freaking song. It's a step in the right direction.
honestly there really is no way we can trully win, for that to happen the RIAA would have to be dissolved and right now they are in a better possition than the freaking Tabbaco company, and those guys make a product that KILLS YOU.
Like I said the only way to win is pull teeth, let them yell and stamp, but not have any ammo. a DRM solution, if its done properly like Apple has is exactly that, they can scream and yell all they want, but if people buy there music and it shows that they are all blowing smoke with no data to show that a online consumer model doesnt work, they are fucked.
Well if the RIAA has its way that will end, CD's will not play in CD-roms and we would be fucked thaty way as well. I have no problem having only three computers play my songs, like i said only one really does.
>I admit Apple's DRM is better than anything else out there. But I've already bumped into the 3 computer limit twice. Tell me what happens if you've got three computers authorized amd one goes kaput and needs to be replaced.
had that happen, I called, explained the problem (my iBook was destroyed at work and I had to buy a replacement) they deauthorized all of my computers for me, I just had to re-authorize them again, no problems.
>I don't break the law. I use my audio tracks legally and fairly. I don't use P2P. But I am glad that this utility will allow me to use my legally acquired songs in a trouble free manner on any computer or player I choose.
problem is using it breaks the DCMA, which is breaking the law, your going around the DRM which is illegal even if your using it for your own use, when the law changes then things will be different, but for now we are screwed.
>As long as people don't accept unfair treatment, history has shown again and again that in the end the public wins because the public drives business and government, not the other way around.
but you CAN fight against unfair treatment and still let the RIAA beleive its winning by doing this, because their arguments right now say there is no way you can stop p2p but by getting rid of our ability to play cd's in our computers, or by sueing children. we are proving that no, here we have a system that alowes people to fairly buy music, play the tracks everywhere (because im sorry like i said before if you need your tracks on more than three computers you have problems, I work in IT and have not needed my mp3's to be on more than two computers AT most) and have fair use. Letting someone copy your cd and use it without paying ISNT FAIR USE, its stealing. People have to understand that thats never been legal, its been easdy to do, but never legal. >Remember: every single person using the iTunes store would have used it just the same if there was no DRM. And every track on the iTunes store is already available for free on P2P networks. DRM accomplishes nothing but to annoy consumers. There is no reason we have to accept it. If the RIAA is going to live or die it has nothing to do with DRM.
hasn't annoyed me one bit, I have more important worries like paying rent and finishing up college or if my boss is going to go on the warpath to worry about not being able to listen to songs on more than 3 computers. And actually my p2p use has dropped to nill since the iTunes store has come out (I have bought 7 albums already from the iTunes store)
your arguments are valid, but your missing the point, we are already losing, there is no way we can win as long as there are polititans out there who have no fucking clue what we are talking about (which is just about..... all of them) In the future we can change it, when we come of age enough to do it, but most people dont give a rats ass, nor do they understand the technology, and while we understand whats going on, there are too few of us to make a difference at the moment. We still live in a society where you can get away with not knowing computers and the politics and laws involved. Thats going to change, we just have to wait and keep the tide held back long enough till we can change it.
And you info is slightly offf, its 10 CD's with the same playlist
Example) I have the new Throwing muses CD, I can burn the album in the order it is 10 times, then I have to remix them (ie move a song around) then I can burn them 10 more times. its unlimited on the burns, likewise i can put it on as many iPods as I want, your only limit is it can only be 3 PC's, add a fourth, you have to deauthorize one of the others, so you can put it on more than three, you just have to authorize and deauthorize the computers (which you do in program thankfully, no need to call up apple or anything.)
See I like to think people would be nice like you say, honestly I wouldnt even think to use a scanner for that reson, but I know so many people who do either for shits and giggles of listening on someones sex talk with a partner to actually using it to blackmail people that Im glad the law is in place.
didnt say she would hurt me (though she's irish with a temper so she might) but she would beat me :-D
The only way you beat the beast is by pulling it's teeth. Thats what DRM does, it says here you can give consumers the right to play songs, but not give them limits to how many times there played, or even how many mix CD's or full album CD's they can have. Download 1 album, I can make 10 copies of said album. after that I need to mix up the tracks, but since when have you needed 10 compies of a album unless you where pirating the cd's out to friends, which has been and always will be wrong.
So we have a DRM that works, the RIAA wants more power, we can show them "HEY jackasses, we have proven that you can make do with this, why do you need even more power? Your making money, they are keeping their rights, so buzz off maybe its your product thats sucking now!)
Listen I have no love lost for the RIAA, thats why I support indie music and if you looked at my collection nearly 80% of it is exactly that. But breaking the law to get back at them only ends in us losing ALL rights as consumers. We show that no matter what we cant be trusted to not use our music in a legal way so everyone must be treated as a criminal.
You prove their case by fighting back like that, and while before, witrh a way to show them we will legaly pay for the music if its resonably priced ( $.99 a song is a little much, but albums are 10 bucks, I dont know where you shop but around the NY area you cant beat that unless it is a indie album and a lot of indie albums cost 15 bucks as well and I have no problem having the songs be Mp4's with no album art if I save 5-7 bucks and dont pay tax, which you dont using the store.) we had a fighting chance, NOW we lose outright and its your fault.
b) ok the reson cell ranges where banned was because it promoted easdropping, The US has a lot of rules against easdropping fo you can feel safe that 99% of the time someone isnt listening in. (despite all the conspiricy minded people might want you to think)
an example. My aunt and uncle where having a child, this was her 3 attempt. She told someone in my family (I think it was her sister cant remeber cause it was 8 years ago) But she didnt tell us for fear of it being another misscarage. WELL somoeone in the neighborhood DID easdrop on the convo with a scanner.
Because of this the rest of my family had to be told, because said person told the whole neighborhood, and one of those people mentioned something to my grandmother WHO DIDNT KNOW.
long story short, the guy who did the easdropping saw my aunt and asked how the child was coming along... 2 weeks after her fourth misscarage. yes you can guess how that went., The guys wife ended up destroying the scanner and threatened to turn the guy in if he ever did it again.
Granted this was a scanner that picked up the older model portable phones and not cellphones but still listening in on private conversations is wrong, and for any good it might do, is in the end loaded with missuse
c) and with that your a criminal if said friends DONT have a right to own those copies (IE dont own the album) likewise a good point could be made to, "if they do have a right to have said music, why dont they rip the copies themselves, why do YOU have to give it to them."
Last but not least your canadian, iTunes doesnt work for you unless you have a US billing address, SO since you havent tried it, you have no right to complain about a DRM you haven't even experienced.
honestly we cant beat the RIAA, there is no way in hell unless california falls off the face of the earth (sorry to all those nice californians) , they are WAY too strong.
SO Apple plays nice, they give us fair use, but give them the controls they want, but ONLY controls that limit trading, really if you need your songs to be on three computers at the same time, you have problems, but you can burn them and put them on as man iPods as you want. It's your music, you just have to make sure it stays YOUR music.
So what do some of us do, PROVE that the whole lot of us are diviants and hack the freaking DRM, PROVING the RIAA right that they shoulkd have tighter control.
They win. They couldnt win if Apple proved a DRM model could work and still could give the users the rights they where garenteed to have. But this proves that people dont care, they are willing to hack things and now willfully break the law (since it IS illegal to hack DRM files acouding to the DCMA no matter how flawed the law is) letting the RIAA say "See we need more control," and getting it, instead of them saying "See we need more control," and being asked why cause there is a proven model that shows they dont need it.
WAKE UP EVERYONE, THE FREE NAPSTER RIDE IS OVER, If we want a feasable working internet media model that allows us to have films and music, and anything else, we have to make sacrafices.
It's just like free speech, we all want it but the minute someone says something we dont like we try to censor them, and we cant. IT DOSEN'T WORK BOTH WAYS.
Dont judge us all by the wierdo's who would do something like that :-D
K maybe its cause I have a girlfriend, but if someone where to come up to me and want to plug into my iPod, no matter HOW sexy she was, I think I might just run away for fear of
a) my iPod being stolen
b) my girlfriend seeing it and beating the shit out of me
but you know so few apple viruses out there, it could be like the 70's again compaired to Window's 80's
no really we KNOW you want to say yes, wait you said no??? huh I cant here you it sounded like yes. whats that? you said no you would love to have our spa.. er I mean emails sent to you well you asked for it....
not true, a lot of PS2 games out within the last 2 years actually do support HD as well
Linux/Unix = Geeks who REALLY know their shit, use Unix at work (or wish they could but cant thanks to managment) and who generallly want a system that doesnt have microsofts taint on it, but also dont want to spend the money to buy a mac, would rather use a x86 chip, and/or like having full control of their system.
Mac OS X = either upgrading (or new) users who a) love the simplicity and style and dont mind shelling out 2-3 hundred extra to get the "Apple" lifestyle (and dont say there isnt a lifestyle cause I used to WORK for Apple as a campus rep, I know there is a lifestyle, they actually have us bill it as a lifestyle and as a part of your life, not a appliance, hence showing people rocking out with a iPod, or people editing home movies when really who edits home movies?)
b) former apple user who wants to play with BSD and Unix, but doesnt want to have a dedicated machine (or partition) to do it so would rather have a machine that yes can work with unix programs and have all the benifits of a unix machine, but also has the nice comfortable mac gui that for all its strength and weaknesses is the reason why we bought a Macintosh when a Windows PC could work just as well.
And Windows a) People who saw price and really didnt care as long as it was cheap and did what they needed to do.
b) Came from the buisness world and used to use Windows 3.1 / 95 so feel comfortable with it, even if they have problems with it
c) Learned it in school because the school bought PC's instead of Macs (so they feel comfortable with it even if they have problems
d) gamers
All of which (except gamers for the most part but I know a few who do it as well) treat their systems like a tool, it breaks fix it, too much to fix it, buy a new one. Or they hate the system they are using but refuse to buy a different machine or load a different OS cause they dont want to either relearn, or they have grown up learning everything is inferior to Windows.
If you think about it, how many Linux or Mac users do you see running old systems compaired to Windows users, you might be surprise to find a LOT of them, cause we treat our computers with much more respect than a typical user would, maybe for different reasons some might have spent a lot of money on it, some might have spent a lot of time on it, and some just generally love their computer, but compaired to a windows user All my mac and linux friends have at least 2 or 3 if not more boxes at home (I personally have 5 macs from a SE 30 on up to my iBook 900mhz, and one old leading edge with a 486DX2 which replaced the 386sx that was in it all working perfectly) why my Windows using friends have one or two (maybe a laptop and a tower) sometimes they have a third (like my roomate) most times they tossed their old one and replaced it with a new one.
OK yes that was long, YES I cant spell (never have and I dont give a fuck either I have better things to do than proof a board posting) but thats how I have always viewed things.
course Im biased cause Im a mac user and all my friends have picked on me through school cause of it, but when it comes down to their systems, I can name every part, have overclocked 2 systems by desoldering jumpers on a board, and tailored my OS to how I like it and what I want installed since OS 7, and half my friends dont even know what a CPU is and TOOK computer classes in school with me where our teacher showed them what a CPU looks like. Im only 5 years out of highschool (finishing up college) thats not a lot of time and to have forgotten something so important to what you use... K I'm done..
my SE 30 runs OS 6 perfectly fine, dont know what all this fuss about upgrading every freaking year is about, You dont want to upgrade??? you dont HAVE to upgrade
see thats what I figured, might have to try to install it to see how it runs. I would love to use it at work.
think of me as clueless, but what does Darwin actually look like installed on a x86 box?
Actually FF X-2 has multiple endings as did FF 6.
christ we have the spelling patrol now on /.
what ever happened to ignoring poor spelling and talking about TECH!!!!!!
(sorry dont mean to rant on you, cause your certainly not the only one and thank you for pointing out the mistake)
Bill should take Job's lead and end it with a "stop production but not tossing it out yet" quote like Jobs and go on to other things... like maybe fixing holes (sorry had to say it, hold on a minute while I put on this flame retardent suit)
lol, well kefka WAS a deranged clown, hence the name Kefka. If you ever get FF6 (the remade version) there is a CG version of him, who is VERY scarry (though also very feminin)
aanyway you might be surprised with 9, I just finally started to play it and I must say it is VERY refreshing compaired to 8 and 10. I personally love the many references to the other games myself (Aliens like in 4, well ok they where moonmen there but whatever, the story to get Daggers first summon is FF2 Jp, some of the towns are named after past towns and or characters Iffa tree = Tiffa etc.) but the story is actually really good, though it seems to be kinda short since im on disk 3 and i have only played 20 hours
the scene where he is walking through fire, is a direct copy of the CGI from the game after you visit the village and learn about cloud and sephiroths past. Infact the flames match so well, I would be incline to think it is actually THE scene from the game taken and re-mapped.
I do agree on the generic squarsoft hero though, my girlfriend was at a convention where there was a guy walking around with a sign on him saying generic Square-Enix RPG hero for hire. As my girldfriends sister calls it Why does everyones hair all pointy and why does everyone FREAKING look related.
And having played every FF except 3 (including owning the original 1,2 and 3 and playing the "real versions" of all three) I for one quiet enjoy FF still, infact I feel its heyday has yet to be seen.
It is one of those games that I could go 5 years yet still come back and play, and there is not that many of those out there these days.
Infact I am finding the only FF I really dont like (other than Tatics which I couldnt get into and the FF advernture kiddy game which I also own) is FF 8 cause its storyline played like a episode of Gaia 90210!!!
HA you mean something informative is not being shown on slashdot because the moderator system is showing its age and lack of keeping out the "Stupid 13 year old punk" factor.... whats the wrold coming to
If people hate it so much bitch at the freaking suits there, not at the companies trying to do it but unable to do it cause people want more money
Microsoft: Resistance is futile, we will take all that is of google and incorperate it into our own being Google: Yo Billy Boy, resist this asshole!!!!!!