They had a service where you could stream the mp3 songs that you owned. Notice that it wasn't even a download of the mp3... just a streaming of the mp3. All you had to do was insert the original cd into the computer, and then it would add those mp3's into your 'virtual' library for future playback. They got sued, they lost.
Distributing copyrighted material can be a crime under certain conditions.
Yea... like all the times the copyright doesn't belong to you!
Adobe's policy is a $12 replacement, S&H included.
Making a LEGAL backup of music, has to be done by you, from your owned copies. That was determined during the mp3.com lawsuit, who tried to do just that. (They even went as far as to have you insert your owned CD into the drive before they allowed you to donwload it) But it wasn't good enough.
I hope you're right. However when you say "before politics takes over"... well, the XXAA organizations are spending plenty of cash to get "politics" just the way they want it.
Do you remember Operation Buccaneer?
18 month sting to crack down on a small time warez community. Where was the political/consumer backlash on that? There was none. Now it's a precedent for future 33-month jail sentences.
I agree that the RIAA won't be sending out 20,000 arrests at once. They're going nice and slow as you pointed out. But I bet they will be taking a few to prison for further scare tactics. Maybe they'll be starting with the 2 verizon customers.
By the way, if you live in Colorado, and are a Verizon customer, and you are STILL trading mp3's online, now that's some conjones!
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I think the Vorbis developers are very interesting people.
"Oh, it's alright to steal and share your info for marketing purposes, but don't share OUR info".
This gives me an idea. We need to come up with a virus. You know, a virus everyone WANTS! I'll call this program the eFileola virus. It maliciously installs itself onto your computer, searches for multimedia files, and then shares the contents with it's other incarnations throughout the world.
It will automatically download random files on its own, so that end users can never be proved or blamed for downloading music and movies.
Lol. Of course it's a stretch, everything the RIAA is feeding the judicial system is a stretch. But force feeding goes down well with $$$. By the way, this isn't my stretch, just theirs.
I didn't see reference to any of the info. you just mentioned in the article on CNet. Is there somewhere I can read this memo?
Sorry, I read about that years ago. I'm hardly commenting on yesterday's CNET article. It was back before Metallica brought over the boxes of user names.
What if I taught a class on how to send copyrighted music files, encoded as mp3s, via email using Outlook?
The RIAA isn't suing the mp3 encoders out there, so your example doesn't work about YOU teaching OTHERS about OUTLOOK. It would have to be Microsoft teaching classes on how to distribute mp3's using their email software.
And near as I can tell, the music industry hasn't started going after people who have made personal copies
Oh? They've done a LOT of things.
Let's see, they're buying legislation so that they can change the Fair Use rules. Look how successful they are at keeping things from entering the Public Domain.
They've bought legislation that exempts them from common labor laws. Their contracts with the artists would be illegal in every other industry.
They're buying legislation so that they can "actively go after the bad guys". What this really means is be allowed to infiltrate EVERYONE's computer, and "only" sabotage the distributers. Why do you think we fight over wire tapping laws with the police? And believe me, once they have access to your computer, they will steal all your information and make money off it anyway they can.
They have and continue to fight all technology that competes against their ancient business practices. If the music industry was a horse ranch, Henry Ford would be in jail, and we'd all be riding horses.
The music industry acts like it is their god-given right to profit. It is not. And I'm sick of them blaming me that they have sales slumps during a recession!!
Let's say you sold bolt cutters directly to known criminals. You teach a class after work about how bolt cutters could be used to break locks off other people's sheds. And then you write a business memo to your business partner, Shawn Fenning, about how awesome it's going to be getting rich off this because you know how many people out there want to break into other people's sheds, and you're finally going to change the future of shedmaking.
This is what the Shed Industry Association of America's lawyers will be bringing up during court.
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The interesting question is... do you remember what happened once a month with that pet?
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They had a service where you could stream the mp3 songs that you owned. Notice that it wasn't even a download of the mp3... just a streaming of the mp3. All you had to do was insert the original cd into the computer, and then it would add those mp3's into your 'virtual' library for future playback. They got sued, they lost.
Distributing copyrighted material can be a crime under certain conditions.
Yea... like all the times the copyright doesn't belong to you!
Making a LEGAL backup of music, has to be done by you, from your owned copies. That was determined during the mp3.com lawsuit, who tried to do just that. (They even went as far as to have you insert your owned CD into the drive before they allowed you to donwload it) But it wasn't good enough.
Plus, you're sharing it back up?
*That* is what they'll nail you for.
"I would stop music sharing altogether IF the music industry would [do this, and this and this for me]"
It's not the music industry's job to make you happy. And it isn't a ticket to do illegal things just because you're unhappy.
Ok, after having said all those things, do I agree with it? Hell no, I'm on your side. But don't expect logic = law.
Freenet is slow as hell. It took forever to download kiddie porn.
Yea, they wouldn't have to bother coming up with any new artists, or any decent songs...... oh wait....
(I read your post in the Cartman voice)
Do you remember Operation Buccaneer?
18 month sting to crack down on a small time warez community. Where was the political/consumer backlash on that? There was none. Now it's a precedent for future 33-month jail sentences.
I agree that the RIAA won't be sending out 20,000 arrests at once. They're going nice and slow as you pointed out. But I bet they will be taking a few to prison for further scare tactics. Maybe they'll be starting with the 2 verizon customers.
By the way, if you live in Colorado, and are a Verizon customer, and you are STILL trading mp3's online, now that's some conjones!
I think the Vorbis developers are very interesting people.
Actually, that's *still* crap to them.
You were right the second time, when you called it redundant. You were right the second time, when you called it redundant.
"Oh, it's alright to steal and share your info for marketing purposes, but don't share OUR info".
This gives me an idea. We need to come up with a virus. You know, a virus everyone WANTS! I'll call this program the eFileola virus. It maliciously installs itself onto your computer, searches for multimedia files, and then shares the contents with it's other incarnations throughout the world.
It will automatically download random files on its own, so that end users can never be proved or blamed for downloading music and movies.
I really liked the extra footage about making the Shire. It's amazing the amount of pre-work put into the set. 1 year!!!! To grow hobbit trees!! :)
THe same can be done with CD's. Our library has over 10,000 cd's. I've only ripped 1,200 of them to mp3 so far
Reason being is the BEST EVER director's comment on DVD is Braveheart. It's awesome. If you ever get a chance, check it out.
But I don't delude myself the Microsoft is after me because I made a t-shirt for myself. Your such a rebel, living on the edge there. Attica!
Lol. Of course it's a stretch, everything the RIAA is feeding the judicial system is a stretch. But force feeding goes down well with $$$. By the way, this isn't my stretch, just theirs.
I didn't see reference to any of the info. you just mentioned in the article on CNet. Is there somewhere I can read this memo?
Sorry, I read about that years ago. I'm hardly commenting on yesterday's CNET article. It was back before Metallica brought over the boxes of user names.
What if I taught a class on how to send copyrighted music files, encoded as mp3s, via email using Outlook?
The RIAA isn't suing the mp3 encoders out there, so your example doesn't work about YOU teaching OTHERS about OUTLOOK. It would have to be Microsoft teaching classes on how to distribute mp3's using their email software.
Yea, but selling a whopping total of two shirts to you mom isn't going to catch anyone's attention.
Not if the RIAA wins it's suit against Venture Capitalists who invest in P2P. Then they can go after KaZaA VP's.
Oh? They've done a LOT of things. Let's see, they're buying legislation so that they can change the Fair Use rules. Look how successful they are at keeping things from entering the Public Domain. They've bought legislation that exempts them from common labor laws. Their contracts with the artists would be illegal in every other industry. They're buying legislation so that they can "actively go after the bad guys". What this really means is be allowed to infiltrate EVERYONE's computer, and "only" sabotage the distributers. Why do you think we fight over wire tapping laws with the police? And believe me, once they have access to your computer, they will steal all your information and make money off it anyway they can. They have and continue to fight all technology that competes against their ancient business practices. If the music industry was a horse ranch, Henry Ford would be in jail, and we'd all be riding horses. The music industry acts like it is their god-given right to profit. It is not. And I'm sick of them blaming me that they have sales slumps during a recession!!
Let's say you sold bolt cutters directly to known criminals. You teach a class after work about how bolt cutters could be used to break locks off other people's sheds. And then you write a business memo to your business partner, Shawn Fenning, about how awesome it's going to be getting rich off this because you know how many people out there want to break into other people's sheds, and you're finally going to change the future of shedmaking. This is what the Shed Industry Association of America's lawyers will be bringing up during court.
How about a terabyte?
Wow, nothing gets by you, Einstein.
Because they're all vegetarians?
Nope, that is not affect how the law looks at them. Besides, there are online sources now that sell mp3's, so there's precedent for an "mp3-price".