That's actually not a bad idea. But let me expand on that. Why shouldn't google create an entirely web-based solution using AJAX? Clearly with Google Maps, they have demonstrated how powerful AJAX can be. I haven't had the chance to personally implement AJAX myself yet, but I wonder if it can be used to "push" out from server to client(web-browser).
Think about how advantageous this would be. Not only would they be able to update all the IM clients instantaneously on the server-side but this could remedy all the 3rd party client-breaking shennanigans that MSN, AIM, or Yahoo messenger is always trying to pull!
Does this remind anyone of the Dragonball cartoons? You know those pills that Bulma always carries around and throws em on the ground... and POP! There's a building! POP! There's a car! That's the first thing that popped in my mind. Maybe we'll have inflatable cars one day:)
By the time someone acquires that much money, they simply don't think as a consumer anymore. Bill gates isn't thinking about many solid gold Ferraris his billions can by. No, by that time, money takes on a different meaning: a means to shape the world. Using his software monopoly and massive amounts of cash, Bill is obviously intent on making his mark on the world.
You really haven't worked for the government before have you? The DOJ doesn't have the authority to create a general mandate against Microsoft products. I can't imagine any government figure could do that. Furthermore, do you realize how much it would cost to switch over to a all-non-Windows solution for the entire government? We are talking billions of tax dollars here. It would probably cost the government much more to switch (don't forget training) than it would cost Microsoft in revenues.
It's the first thing that came to my mind when I saw RMS's reference to recipes. Remember how valuable the Soup Nazi's soup was and how desperate people were to get his secret proprietary product.
Then Elaine found the recipes in drawer/cabinet that the Soup Nazi had given Kramer..
And ruined him by announcing the recipes to all the customers (in revenge for suspending her soup privileges).
NO SOUP FOR YOU! So lets open source that sucker..
I am a tenured CS professor at an Ivy League school. Someone tell me where I can get "da 'leet goodz"... where can I copy this program to catch the cheaters?
I'm no expert in this area, but as I understand it, buffer overruns can get root access even when the program is running under user mode. If you read the article, it said that the buffer overrun caused IIS to shutdown, but unlike Apache or other servers it will automatically restart if it detects that it has crashed. (Kind of like how Windows will automatically scandisk after crashing, because its assumed that it will crash often). Anyway, my guess is that the buffer overrun code executes while IIS is starting up, between the point where the process is created (as Administrator) and the point where its priviledges devolves to a user.
Anyone more knowledgeable care to comment? I'm also curious how chroot()ed environments can help prevent root hacks in the linux environment. According to my admittedly sketchy theory, there is still the point where a process starts off as root, correct? Someone plz fill in! =)
A very well written article that says a lot of truth. I tend to think that some points are over beaten (lack of bananas for example. So what? Anyone can peel and eat their own).
Hey when your morning cup of coffee is wearing off and you need a new one, you start to see different things on the monitor.
Listen, you may abhor unions but it's a necessary evil and the alternative is much, much worse: unchecked capitalism. History shows us most of the inhumane ills: women and children working 70 and 80 hour weeks and worse. Like it or not, without unions the common worker has NO power in the present system at all. In a world that runs on money, only the corporations have the power to lobby, bribe, give campaign contributions, etc to politicial candidates. Only the threat of socialism (which incidentally didn't arise out of a vacuum, but was a reaction to the worst excesses of capitalism of the late 1800s and early 1900s) and repeated striking and unionization among the people have the autocrats of the United States decide to give SOME assurances to the workers: 8 hour days, safety regulations, etc. And we see them trying to slickly circumvent those all the time, don't we?
It's unfortunate that people like you who only care for their own upward progress in the present system forget the past so quickly and have no sympathy for the people who live in the world with them. After all, it's just evolution right? Get rid of the stupid, the lazy, the ugly, the outcast. What right do they have to a decent living? None, if they're in your path up the corporate ladder and a six-figure salary. The sad thing is people like you are rewarded, climbing that ladder, firmly grinding your heel on the fingers of those below you because you are firmly convinced they don't climb fast enough, though perhaps they just chose to enjoy the scenery, actually have a social life, a significant other, or a family.
And, by the way, for every person that has been "rewarded for being excellent in their jobs", there is another one who has been taken advantage of just like the one in the article. Yes, he could have voted with his feet, but they had tied him to his cubicle with bonds stronger than any chains: the American Dream*.
* Incidentally, the American Dream is largely a myth. History has shown that at least 90 percent of the obscenely rich have risen from the upper middle-class or upper class. The remaining 10- percent is paraded out and overdramatized in hollywood, as a lure to keep the rest of the people working hard.
Do you know the annual national budget of NASA? If selling a few pretty pictures and t-shirts doesn't cut it for open source, why would you think it would for NASA?
You know, this reminds me of once back in the early almost-pre-Web days of the Internet (circa 1994-1995), I was merely a clueless luser with a shell account at a local ISP. Back then, PPP was a relatively new thing and you needed programs like Slirp or Twinsock to emulate it on your shell account, or pay an expensive hourly fee to get it. It was much more convenient and faster to dial in with a program like Qmodem or Telemate (or Telix, etc, choose your favorite). You could get your discussions, porn, and illegal software by accessing tin/trn for newsgroups, you had pine/elm for mail, irc with various cool scripts and bots for hours and hours of fun, and could telnet to various MUD/MUSHes for even more hours of fun.
Anyway, getting back from nostalgic recollection, the ISP I was using at the time made an announcement on their/etc/motd -- they were thinking about setting up an IRC server. I was truly puzzled. The ISP was a commercial venture to make money through providing shell accounts (and later PPP dialup access). How could anyone increase their profit by wasting valuable server resources and bandwidth by setting up a free chat service which anyone could login from anywhere without a fee? So I went to the few newsgroups that had been setup locally by their system administrator and asked the owners. (By the way, these local newsgroups specific to that ISP were kind of funny because it could also stab them in the back. It could either provide a valuable resource for the customers to ask questions, or the customers could rant and rave about the shitty service, to be read by the other customers as well.) There I learned a valuable lesson. The ISP system administrator replied that the Internet was a "shared community resource". You could benefit immensely from the internet through such things as newsgroup peering, anonymous ftp, publicly available MUDs. In fact, the internet was really based upon the idea of *freely* *shared* *community* resource at its roots. If everyone tried to offer a service and charged for it, then the Internet would have died at its inception. And the people who joined this community truly learned this concept and were educated by the other people in the community -- as I did. It's sorry to see that the hordes of people jumping on the bandwagon later on never learned this principle. Rather than learning to give back, the majority became the mass of clueless AOL newbies spamming and ruining the newsgroups with their "Me Too!" posts. Rather than learning the benefits of cooperation, people learned to line their pockets with what other people freely provided.
But I think that the spirit(?) of the Internet hasn't wholly been lost. There are still those who still remember its valuable lesson. And that is why I fullheartedly support projects Linux and open source in general. Open source software and its users have given the Internet so much: INN newsgroups servers, sendmail, Apache, BIND, wu-ftpd... the Net would never have existed if the authors had all charged for their software, we would all have been using AOL or MSN.
So, a message to those that came after me. Please learn that giving back and contributing to the community is not wrong! Making a profit should not be the only incentive for doing anything -- passion for your work, and being part of a community can be much more rewarding. Please don't let the lesson that the Net has to teach the world die in vain!
Does anyone know a way for VMWare to boot off of ISO CD images under Windows 2000 (got to keep this around for the games!)? I like to run Mandrake Linux in a VMWare session but damn, they keep releasing a new version every month it seems. Okay, I just burned version 7.2 onto a CD and now I have to burn the 8.0 beta CDs just to try it out and throw away again? The optimum solution would be for VMWare to load those ISOs virtually as if they were actual CDROMS. But to go about this? Anyone have any ideas? Thanks.
I'd like to run Gnome 2.0 sometime before 2005. Besides, Miguel has stated here:
Besides, GNOME 2.0 is not the end of GNOME. GNOME 2.0 is just the next major release of GNOME. There is always a chance for us to redeem our pride as programmers, hackers and architects with GNOME 3.0 and GNOME 4.0
So there will be plenty of opporunity for GNOME to have all the cool stuff that we want to see! Rather than criticize Miguel for being realistic, I say we applaud him for avoiding the mistakes (overly optimistic + feature creep) that delayed Linux 2.4, KDE 2.0, Windows 2000, Gtk 2.0, etc. Miguel is smart enough to realize that for GNOME to effectively compete with Windows and KDE, it will have to release frequently and not remain vapor-ware forever.
Any they say they can't trust Linux...
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From the website's list of cast: Widely regarded as one of the most gifted actors of his generation, Elijah Wood continues to challenge himself with roles in films spanning the spectrum of style and genre.
--CUT-- Wood's impressive list of film credits include Alan Shapiro's "Flipper" with Paul Hogan
Please. Flipper? I made a vow never to watch another dolphin movie after that one.
This seems to me very similar to what the new Amiga OS and Java VM are trying to accomplish: platform independence through implementation of a virtual environment on top of different operating systems. It seems like hardware, according to Moore's Law, has finally progressed to the point where it seems feasible to run an "operating system within an operating system". For many people this may seem like a disgusting waste of clock cycles, but we have only to look at BeOS to see that new operating systems running on raw hardware is no longer feasible. Supporting the plethora of device drivers is simply impossible with the exception of a few: Windows by virtue of their monopoly, Linux/BSDs through open source, and MacOS because it runs only specified hardware. For commercial companies, I think, their last best chance for innovations in operating system environments is through something like this.
This is definately a sign of the increasing tendencies of software torwards homogeneousness and platform independence. Even Microsoft has caught on with the.NET, but I believe that to be a false promise to lure developers while not delivering. I'm placing my bets on the Java which already has a great headstart but only needs the improvements in GUI performance.
My friend worked at Best Buy for a couple weeks before he left in disgust. It is true they are not paid by "commission". But what Best Buy isn't telling you is that for every warranty an employee sells, he/she gets an extra "bonus" at the end of the year.
Huh? Why is this moderated so high up? Have any of the moderators actually been to this page? There's 1 screenshot that looks like it took 5 minutes to create and features no functionality, no code or binary to download, no documentation. There's nothing there but a template of a webpage. Please, moderators, actually click through a page next time before blindly moderating it up!
That's sad really, I had thought Linux game sales were doing well, looking at Loki's numerous ports of Windows games. But reading this article and hearing Carmack saying how he was disappointed with Quake 3 Linux sales was a bite of reality. I wonder if Linux graphics and drivers will eventually mature to the point where relatively new users to Linux can just pop in the install CD and be playing the game in 15 minutes, instead of fiddling around for a couple days and giving up.
I really think that Linux won't take off on the desktop, until this obstacle is overcome. How many people here are forced to run Windows solely because of games (that or a lack of a decent, mature web browser) or know someone that is in the same predictament?
"(known as the lifting scheme, invented by Sweldens)"
Not the "lifting scheme", popularized by Microsoft when "lifting" their GUI from Apple as well as 99.99% percent of their other "innovative" technologies?
That's odd. Looking at your post I went to Tools-Internet Options->Programs. The only programs in the drop down box for HTML editor was Microsoft Word for Windows and Windows Notepad. I didn't see UltraEdit or any of my other editors on there, nor did I see a way to select a custom program. How you dunnit?
You said: "Now, have a look at which applications does logically require DCOP: mainly KOffice and Konqueror. Lemme say you, if you want to use KOffice, it will be stupid not to install KDE. If you want no to have KDE, it will be stupid to want to use KOffice. The same is true for mainly all other DCOP-based KApps."
Lemme say you, if you want to use MSOFfice, it will be stupid not to install Windows. If you want no to have Windows, it will be stupid to want to use MSOffice.
Please! Can the movie be anymore of a cliche? And if you know absolutely anything AT ALL about roman history, you will know just how unbelievable it was. I kept hearing about how great the plot was for Gladiator and I walked in with high expectations. The action and effects were well-done, but the cheezy plot kept me laughing for half the movie.
On the other hand, at least MI2 didn't aspire and fail miserably with some half-ass pretentious plot. It was a pure action flick with just enough plot to justify it. IMHO, I think no one comes close to John Woo's ability to lift the violence to an art form. Far, far better than the unnecessary copy-cat-of-braveheart-and-saving-private-ryan blood and gore of Gladiator and how Crowe throws a couple of spears and the chariots just tumble over themselves and break into peices. Guess they just ran out of creative ways to get rid of the chariots, something John Woo would have NO problem with =).
Anyway, that's just MHO. I agree with some of the posters that these analytical/.ers need to relax their left brain for once.
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That's actually not a bad idea. But let me expand on that. Why shouldn't google create an entirely web-based solution using AJAX? Clearly with Google Maps, they have demonstrated how powerful AJAX can be. I haven't had the chance to personally implement AJAX myself yet, but I wonder if it can be used to "push" out from server to client(web-browser).
Think about how advantageous this would be. Not only would they be able to update all the IM clients instantaneously on the server-side but this could remedy all the 3rd party client-breaking shennanigans that MSN, AIM, or Yahoo messenger is always trying to pull!
Does this remind anyone of the Dragonball cartoons? You know those pills that Bulma always carries around and throws em on the ground... and POP! There's a building! POP! There's a car! That's the first thing that popped in my mind. Maybe we'll have inflatable cars one day :)
By the time someone acquires that much money, they simply don't think as a consumer anymore. Bill gates isn't thinking about many solid gold Ferraris his billions can by. No, by that time, money takes on a different meaning: a means to shape the world. Using his software monopoly and massive amounts of cash, Bill is obviously intent on making his mark on the world.
You really haven't worked for the government before have you? The DOJ doesn't have the authority to create a general mandate against Microsoft products. I can't imagine any government figure could do that. Furthermore, do you realize how much it would cost to switch over to a all-non-Windows solution for the entire government? We are talking billions of tax dollars here. It would probably cost the government much more to switch (don't forget training) than it would cost Microsoft in revenues.
Then Elaine found the recipes in drawer/cabinet that the Soup Nazi had given Kramer..
And ruined him by announcing the recipes to all the customers (in revenge for suspending her soup privileges).
NO SOUP FOR YOU! So lets open source that sucker..
Henceforth, let MS be known as the Code Nazi
Excuse me gents,
I am a tenured CS professor at an Ivy League school. Someone tell me where I can get "da 'leet goodz"... where can I copy this program to catch the cheaters?
Thanks.
I'm no expert in this area, but as I understand it, buffer overruns can get root access even when the program is running under user mode. If you read the article, it said that the buffer overrun caused IIS to shutdown, but unlike Apache or other servers it will automatically restart if it detects that it has crashed. (Kind of like how Windows will automatically scandisk after crashing, because its assumed that it will crash often). Anyway, my guess is that the buffer overrun code executes while IIS is starting up, between the point where the process is created (as Administrator) and the point where its priviledges devolves to a user.
Anyone more knowledgeable care to comment? I'm also curious how chroot()ed environments can help prevent root hacks in the linux environment. According to my admittedly sketchy theory, there is still the point where a process starts off as root, correct? Someone plz fill in! =)
before I did a double-take:
A very well written article that says a lot of truth. I tend to think that some points are over beaten (lack of bananas for example. So what? Anyone can peel and eat their own).
Hey when your morning cup of coffee is wearing off and you need a new one, you start to see different things on the monitor.
Listen, you may abhor unions but it's a necessary evil and the alternative is much, much worse: unchecked capitalism. History shows us most of the inhumane ills: women and children working 70 and 80 hour weeks and worse. Like it or not, without unions the common worker has NO power in the present system at all. In a world that runs on money, only the corporations have the power to lobby, bribe, give campaign contributions, etc to politicial candidates. Only the threat of socialism (which incidentally didn't arise out of a vacuum, but was a reaction to the worst excesses of capitalism of the late 1800s and early 1900s) and repeated striking and unionization among the people have the autocrats of the United States decide to give SOME assurances to the workers: 8 hour days, safety regulations, etc. And we see them trying to slickly circumvent those all the time, don't we?
It's unfortunate that people like you who only care for their own upward progress in the present system forget the past so quickly and have no sympathy for the people who live in the world with them. After all, it's just evolution right? Get rid of the stupid, the lazy, the ugly, the outcast. What right do they have to a decent living? None, if they're in your path up the corporate ladder and a six-figure salary. The sad thing is people like you are rewarded, climbing that ladder, firmly grinding your heel on the fingers of those below you because you are firmly convinced they don't climb fast enough, though perhaps they just chose to enjoy the scenery, actually have a social life, a significant other, or a family.
And, by the way, for every person that has been "rewarded for being excellent in their jobs", there is another one who has been taken advantage of just like the one in the article. Yes, he could have voted with his feet, but they had tied him to his cubicle with bonds stronger than any chains: the American Dream*.
* Incidentally, the American Dream is largely a myth. History has shown that at least 90 percent of the obscenely rich have risen from the upper middle-class or upper class. The remaining 10- percent is paraded out and overdramatized in hollywood, as a lure to keep the rest of the people working hard.
Do you know the annual national budget of NASA? If selling a few pretty pictures and t-shirts doesn't cut it for open source, why would you think it would for NASA?
You know, this reminds me of once back in the early almost-pre-Web days of the Internet (circa 1994-1995), I was merely a clueless luser with a shell account at a local ISP. Back then, PPP was a relatively new thing and you needed programs like Slirp or Twinsock to emulate it on your shell account, or pay an expensive hourly fee to get it. It was much more convenient and faster to dial in with a program like Qmodem or Telemate (or Telix, etc, choose your favorite). You could get your discussions, porn, and illegal software by accessing tin/trn for newsgroups, you had pine/elm for mail, irc with various cool scripts and bots for hours and hours of fun, and could telnet to various MUD/MUSHes for even more hours of fun.
/etc/motd -- they were thinking about setting up an IRC server. I was truly puzzled. The ISP was a commercial venture to make money through providing shell accounts (and later PPP dialup access). How could anyone increase their profit by wasting valuable server resources and bandwidth by setting up a free chat service which anyone could login from anywhere without a fee? So I went to the few newsgroups that had been setup locally by their system administrator and asked the owners. (By the way, these local newsgroups specific to that ISP were kind of funny because it could also stab them in the back. It could either provide a valuable resource for the customers to ask questions, or the customers could rant and rave about the shitty service, to be read by the other customers as well.) There I learned a valuable lesson. The ISP system administrator replied that the Internet was a "shared community resource". You could benefit immensely from the internet through such things as newsgroup peering, anonymous ftp, publicly available MUDs. In fact, the internet was really based upon the idea of *freely* *shared* *community* resource at its roots. If everyone tried to offer a service and charged for it, then the Internet would have died at its inception. And the people who joined this community truly learned this concept and were educated by the other people in the community -- as I did. It's sorry to see that the hordes of people jumping on the bandwagon later on never learned this principle. Rather than learning to give back, the majority became the mass of clueless AOL newbies spamming and ruining the newsgroups with their "Me Too!" posts. Rather than learning the benefits of cooperation, people learned to line their pockets with what other people freely provided.
Anyway, getting back from nostalgic recollection, the ISP I was using at the time made an announcement on their
But I think that the spirit(?) of the Internet hasn't wholly been lost. There are still those who still remember its valuable lesson. And that is why I fullheartedly support projects Linux and open source in general. Open source software and its users have given the Internet so much: INN newsgroups servers, sendmail, Apache, BIND, wu-ftpd... the Net would never have existed if the authors had all charged for their software, we would all have been using AOL or MSN.
So, a message to those that came after me. Please learn that giving back and contributing to the community is not wrong! Making a profit should not be the only incentive for doing anything -- passion for your work, and being part of a community can be much more rewarding. Please don't let the lesson that the Net has to teach the world die in vain!
Does anyone know a way for VMWare to boot off of ISO CD images under Windows 2000 (got to keep this around for the games!)? I like to run Mandrake Linux in a VMWare session but damn, they keep releasing a new version every month it seems. Okay, I just burned version 7.2 onto a CD and now I have to burn the 8.0 beta CDs just to try it out and throw away again? The optimum solution would be for VMWare to load those ISOs virtually as if they were actual CDROMS. But to go about this? Anyone have any ideas? Thanks.
Besides, GNOME 2.0 is not the end of GNOME. GNOME 2.0 is just the next major release of GNOME. There is always a chance for us to redeem our pride as programmers, hackers and architects with GNOME 3.0 and GNOME 4.0
So there will be plenty of opporunity for GNOME to have all the cool stuff that we want to see! Rather than criticize Miguel for being realistic, I say we applaud him for avoiding the mistakes (overly optimistic + feature creep) that delayed Linux 2.4, KDE 2.0, Windows 2000, Gtk 2.0, etc. Miguel is smart enough to realize that for GNOME to effectively compete with Windows and KDE, it will have to release frequently and not remain vapor-ware forever.
because one man, Linus, controls the kernel!
Oops I meant Frodo Baggins. I wish /. would let me edit old postings. Oh well.
From the website's list of cast:
Widely regarded as one of the most gifted actors of his generation, Elijah Wood continues to challenge himself with roles in films spanning the spectrum of style and genre.
--CUT--
Wood's impressive list of film credits include Alan Shapiro's "Flipper" with Paul Hogan
Please. Flipper? I made a vow never to watch another dolphin movie after that one.
This seems to me very similar to what the new Amiga OS and Java VM are trying to accomplish: platform independence through implementation of a virtual environment on top of different operating systems. It seems like hardware, according to Moore's Law, has finally progressed to the point where it seems feasible to run an "operating system within an operating system". For many people this may seem like a disgusting waste of clock cycles, but we have only to look at BeOS to see that new operating systems running on raw hardware is no longer feasible. Supporting the plethora of device drivers is simply impossible with the exception of a few: Windows by virtue of their monopoly, Linux/BSDs through open source, and MacOS because it runs only specified hardware. For commercial companies, I think, their last best chance for innovations in operating system environments is through something like this.
.NET, but I believe that to be a false promise to lure developers while not delivering. I'm placing my bets on the Java which already has a great headstart but only needs the improvements in GUI performance.
This is definately a sign of the increasing tendencies of software torwards homogeneousness and platform independence. Even Microsoft has caught on with the
My friend worked at Best Buy for a couple weeks before he left in disgust. It is true they are not paid by "commission". But what Best Buy isn't telling you is that for every warranty an employee sells, he/she gets an extra "bonus" at the end of the year.
Huh? Why is this moderated so high up? Have any of the moderators actually been to this page? There's 1 screenshot that looks like it took 5 minutes to create and features no functionality, no code or binary to download, no documentation. There's nothing there but a template of a webpage. Please, moderators, actually click through a page next time before blindly moderating it up!
> ... so what's the difference between this and virtually all other religions? (western religions, at least...)
Exactly. It seems all Christians are after the same goal. Convert everyone, imprison and terrorize (e.g., abortionists) the rest.
That's sad really, I had thought Linux game sales were doing well, looking at Loki's numerous ports of Windows games. But reading this article and hearing Carmack saying how he was disappointed with Quake 3 Linux sales was a bite of reality. I wonder if Linux graphics and drivers will eventually mature to the point where relatively new users to Linux can just pop in the install CD and be playing the game in 15 minutes, instead of fiddling around for a couple days and giving up.
I really think that Linux won't take off on the desktop, until this obstacle is overcome. How many people here are forced to run Windows solely because of games (that or a lack of a decent, mature web browser) or know someone that is in the same predictament?
"(known as the lifting scheme, invented by Sweldens)"
Not the "lifting scheme", popularized by Microsoft when "lifting" their GUI from Apple as well as 99.99% percent of their other "innovative" technologies?
That's odd. Looking at your post I went to Tools-Internet Options->Programs. The only programs in the drop down box for HTML editor was Microsoft Word for Windows and Windows Notepad. I didn't see UltraEdit or any of my other editors on there, nor did I see a way to select a custom program. How you dunnit?
You said: "Now, have a look at which applications does logically require DCOP: mainly KOffice and Konqueror. Lemme say you, if you want to use KOffice, it will be stupid not to install KDE. If you want no to have KDE, it will be stupid to want to use KOffice. The same is true for mainly all other DCOP-based KApps."
Lemme say you, if you want to use MSOFfice, it will be stupid not to install Windows. If you want no to have Windows, it will be stupid to want to use MSOffice.
Please! Can the movie be anymore of a cliche? And if you know absolutely anything AT ALL about roman history, you will know just how unbelievable it was. I kept hearing about how great the plot was for Gladiator and I walked in with high expectations. The action and effects were well-done, but the cheezy plot kept me laughing for half the movie.
/.ers need to relax their left brain for once.
On the other hand, at least MI2 didn't aspire and fail miserably with some half-ass pretentious plot. It was a pure action flick with just enough plot to justify it. IMHO, I think no one comes close to John Woo's ability to lift the violence to an art form. Far, far better than the unnecessary copy-cat-of-braveheart-and-saving-private-ryan blood and gore of Gladiator and how Crowe throws a couple of spears and the chariots just tumble over themselves and break into peices. Guess they just ran out of creative ways to get rid of the chariots, something John Woo would have NO problem with =).
Anyway, that's just MHO. I agree with some of the posters that these analytical