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RedHat would not be a bad aquisition. Oracle is still much larger than Redhat. Next to mind would be CentOS, Xandros, (Ubuntu would not get bought because it is already owned by a rich guy), CAOS would be nice, but they are not well known. Mandriva is not known for the Enterprise, but they have a large following in Europe.
I think they would probably roll their own Linux instead however. There is no one other than RedHat available that would make it worth the recognition you are talking about. SuSE is locked up, Debian and Ubuntu are not for sale.
This is great for developers that only concern themselves with KDE & Gnome, however, it would be nice to include other Window Managers such as XFCE or OpenStep, etc. Unfortunatly as a developer, it's the fringe window managers that prevent complete adoption of this. Having said that, I think this is a great step in the right direction.
It depends on the Linux distro/configuration. I was deceived by this idea too. I picked up a very old laptop that happily ran win98. But, I had to install a very light-weight window manager and turn off some daemons to get even "useable" performance. To transition a win98 user to Linux, they need to "see" the benefits. The modern linux desktop rivals XP, but also requires the same hardware performance. The days of installing Linux on outdated hardware is over. (Unless you are already proficient in CL or comfortable using xfce, mwm or twm.) Or you can try to find/install Mandrake 7.1 or Redhat 6.1. That will work on older hardware:-).
I totally agree. I commented about this earlier after reading the article. However after reading what someone else posted: http://kerneltrap.org/node/4484. I really get the fact that Stallman is perfectly happy with me not working in CS or programming if I need to make money from coding software. The above link needs to be spread around the net like wildfire. It goes to show how out of touch he really is. I have no intention of digging ditches the rest of my life. We all can't make money on the "lecture circuit" like you can Dick!
I noticed that when asked about how people can create a buiness model around Free software, he dodges the question by asking another question. His response was that software can be created out of the goodness of your heart and not for profit. I understand that point, but then I should also have the Freedom to also work for a proprietary software company so I can support my family without him picketing or protesting that the software is defective by design. You can't have it both ways Dick. There are a lot of Free Software programmers that work at Starbucks. Is that what he proposes. It's easy to be idealistic about money when you get paid to be idealistic. Hey Richard, how do you get paid? Off the backs who whom? Who paid for your trip to India? I love Free software and contribute when I can. However, don't blast those who have made programming their profession without providing an alternative.
allofmp3 is only legal if you live in Russia. (And even then it is questionable) They sell pirated music without any royalties paid to the artists of the record companies. It is only because of a loophole in Russian copywrite law, they are not shut down. I would not compare this service to iTunes. I consider a company stealing and reselling more unethical than a company that sells their own product at a higher than necessary cost.
I have to agree with you on this. I doubt that the record companies are too concerned about someone buying a cd and copying it to their computer or making a mix tape or cd. It's because there are people actively distributing their copies to the masses via p2p services. Personally, I use iTunes and purchase my music. I think Apple got it right by using the same distribution channel. Find a way to prevent mass distribution and I am all for it. I think the record companies will too. The DRM solution is no solution at all. It cuts off the nose to spite the face. But I also understand the real world and people are not perfect or 100% honest 100% of the time. There will continue to be piracy. The solution in my mind is to make the value of purchasing music more beneficial than the free download. Right now, users don't see a difference, so why pay for it. For me, I like the speed of the downloads, the quality of the rip, and the fact I do not need to update the mp3 tags.
Again...This has not been an issue for a while. I recently heard a quote on lugradio that fits this. The mormon church stops practicing polygamy over 100 years ago and people still think mormons have more than one wife. Root is not the default anymore.
Flamebait anyone? This has not been an issue for a while. You have always been able to create users. I think most people reading slashdot do not get the concept behind freespire or linspire for that matter. It is about switching users from windows. If you say, install Ubuntu and go back and try to find a repository online and add to synaptic or apt-get. Then install a the proper codecs. The first thing they will say is, what is a codec? What is a repository? Where is apt-get? They just want to install something that works. They are not hobbyists. These users could care less if they run as root. They don't know what root is. I get sick and tired of people bringing up non-issues for "joe six-pack". Having to go elsewhere for codecs to be able to play mp3s/DVDs/Flash IS an issue fro joe six-pack. I think most of the animosity comes from the fact that freespire and linspire are distros that do NOT cater to YOU!!!
I'm not too sure about your examples. Why not choose what packages you want during the installer? Why would you want to remove LVM or evms? Do you know what they do?
As far as boot up time? Who cares. Making sure the server never needs rebooting is a more important feature. If you have ever tried to reboot a server-class system such as a pSeries or IA64 system, it takes longer to get past the OpenFirmware (bios) than most distros take to get booted. If you know how to harden a system, you can run services. If you do not need them, fine, either don't install them in the first place, change the init system to NOT start the service, or in your case remove the packages. You can do this with any distro. Redhat included.
What I see is a benefit for the distro is having the ability to run a server in the most stable and efficient manner. Also, a level of consistancy is important. Debian is known for stability, but if actually get under the covers of the system, it's a mess. There are too many inexperienced hackers writing scripts to either workaround problems, or create their OWN way of doing things. This is without regard for the big picture. (i.e. who will break because of their patch).
I use Ubuntu for a desktop, I stay away from Debian, and for servers I would stick with an estabished organization of professionals that are interested in the end user and not just scratching their own itch.
I agree with you. I use my ipod when snowboarding and it is a pain to have to take off my gloves all the time. It's probably the major cause of so many gloves lying on the ground below the chair runs.
This is great. I just got Debian installed! I used ReactOS, then installed the free version of VirtualPC from microsoft, then installed Debian Sarge. Now I can use nano instead of that crappy notepad.
Ummm.... Solaris was only opensourc(ed) recently. It was free (as in download) for a while. That is why I used it. It was a cheap learning tool. Same with Linux. I own a PowerBook that is used mainly for iLife. (email, making dvds on my kids, iTunes, etc). I have a cheap thinkpad for Linux development. Using a Mac for that type of work seems like the wrong tool for the job. If I am compiling my OS X kernel for some obscure support, I am a niche market. This does not constitute Apple turning it's back on the OSS community. There needs to be a OSS community first and I think for OS X there isn't one.
Ask yourself, if your favorite brand of Linux cost as much as an XP License, but was open source, would you still use it?
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As I was scrolling through the armageddon stuff I wondered when a good Star Wars quote would make it. Good job.
More facts about Bruce. http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/
RedHat would not be a bad aquisition. Oracle is still much larger than Redhat. Next to mind would be CentOS, Xandros, (Ubuntu would not get bought because it is already owned by a rich guy), CAOS would be nice, but they are not well known. Mandriva is not known for the Enterprise, but they have a large following in Europe.
I think they would probably roll their own Linux instead however. There is no one other than RedHat available that would make it worth the recognition you are talking about. SuSE is locked up, Debian and Ubuntu are not for sale.
This is great for developers that only concern themselves with KDE & Gnome, however, it would be nice to include other Window Managers such as XFCE or OpenStep, etc. Unfortunatly as a developer, it's the fringe window managers that prevent complete adoption of this. Having said that, I think this is a great step in the right direction.
There really is a Rita Skeeter.
It depends on the Linux distro/configuration. I was deceived by this idea too. I picked up a very old laptop that happily ran win98. But, I had to install a very light-weight window manager and turn off some daemons to get even "useable" performance. To transition a win98 user to Linux, they need to "see" the benefits. The modern linux desktop rivals XP, but also requires the same hardware performance. The days of installing Linux on outdated hardware is over. (Unless you are already proficient in CL or comfortable using xfce, mwm or twm.) Or you can try to find/install Mandrake 7.1 or Redhat 6.1. That will work on older hardware :-).
LOL. Nice. In this world of varing opinions, I can always rely on a slashdotter to pull a star wars quote. Thanks for making my day.
I totally agree. I commented about this earlier after reading the article. However after reading what someone else posted: http://kerneltrap.org/node/4484. I really get the fact that Stallman is perfectly happy with me not working in CS or programming if I need to make money from coding software. The above link needs to be spread around the net like wildfire. It goes to show how out of touch he really is. I have no intention of digging ditches the rest of my life. We all can't make money on the "lecture circuit" like you can Dick!
I noticed that when asked about how people can create a buiness model around Free software, he dodges the question by asking another question. His response was that software can be created out of the goodness of your heart and not for profit. I understand that point, but then I should also have the Freedom to also work for a proprietary software company so I can support my family without him picketing or protesting that the software is defective by design. You can't have it both ways Dick. There are a lot of Free Software programmers that work at Starbucks. Is that what he proposes. It's easy to be idealistic about money when you get paid to be idealistic. Hey Richard, how do you get paid? Off the backs who whom? Who paid for your trip to India? I love Free software and contribute when I can. However, don't blast those who have made programming their profession without providing an alternative.
Slashdot readers will still hate them. They can't seem to get a break.
allofmp3 is only legal if you live in Russia. (And even then it is questionable) They sell pirated music without any royalties paid to the artists of the record companies. It is only because of a loophole in Russian copywrite law, they are not shut down. I would not compare this service to iTunes. I consider a company stealing and reselling more unethical than a company that sells their own product at a higher than necessary cost.
Don't you mean Adobe?
I have to agree with you on this. I doubt that the record companies are too concerned about someone buying a cd and copying it to their computer or making a mix tape or cd. It's because there are people actively distributing their copies to the masses via p2p services. Personally, I use iTunes and purchase my music. I think Apple got it right by using the same distribution channel. Find a way to prevent mass distribution and I am all for it. I think the record companies will too. The DRM solution is no solution at all. It cuts off the nose to spite the face. But I also understand the real world and people are not perfect or 100% honest 100% of the time. There will continue to be piracy. The solution in my mind is to make the value of purchasing music more beneficial than the free download. Right now, users don't see a difference, so why pay for it. For me, I like the speed of the downloads, the quality of the rip, and the fact I do not need to update the mp3 tags.
Forget the moon landing. I want to see the Dark Side of the Moon movie. (I wonder if Dorothy is in it?)
Again...This has not been an issue for a while. I recently heard a quote on lugradio that fits this. The mormon church stops practicing polygamy over 100 years ago and people still think mormons have more than one wife. Root is not the default anymore.
unless you're not planning to play ANY recent games
Since we are talking about Linux, that is a fair assessment.
Flamebait anyone? This has not been an issue for a while. You have always been able to create users. I think most people reading slashdot do not get the concept behind freespire or linspire for that matter. It is about switching users from windows. If you say, install Ubuntu and go back and try to find a repository online and add to synaptic or apt-get. Then install a the proper codecs. The first thing they will say is, what is a codec? What is a repository? Where is apt-get? They just want to install something that works. They are not hobbyists. These users could care less if they run as root. They don't know what root is. I get sick and tired of people bringing up non-issues for "joe six-pack". Having to go elsewhere for codecs to be able to play mp3s/DVDs/Flash IS an issue fro joe six-pack. I think most of the animosity comes from the fact that freespire and linspire are distros that do NOT cater to YOU!!!
I'm not too sure about your examples. Why not choose what packages you want during the installer? Why would you want to remove LVM or evms? Do you know what they do?
As far as boot up time? Who cares. Making sure the server never needs rebooting is a more important feature. If you have ever tried to reboot a server-class system such as a pSeries or IA64 system, it takes longer to get past the OpenFirmware (bios) than most distros take to get booted. If you know how to harden a system, you can run services. If you do not need them, fine, either don't install them in the first place, change the init system to NOT start the service, or in your case remove the packages. You can do this with any distro. Redhat included.
What I see is a benefit for the distro is having the ability to run a server in the most stable and efficient manner. Also, a level of consistancy is important. Debian is known for stability, but if actually get under the covers of the system, it's a mess. There are too many inexperienced hackers writing scripts to either workaround problems, or create their OWN way of doing things. This is without regard for the big picture. (i.e. who will break because of their patch).
I use Ubuntu for a desktop, I stay away from Debian, and for servers I would stick with an estabished organization of professionals that are interested in the end user and not just scratching their own itch.I agree with you. I use my ipod when snowboarding and it is a pain to have to take off my gloves all the time. It's probably the major cause of so many gloves lying on the ground below the chair runs.
ya think ;-)
This is great. I just got Debian installed! I used ReactOS, then installed the free version of VirtualPC from microsoft, then installed Debian Sarge. Now I can use nano instead of that crappy notepad.
For Stallman to agree, it would have to also be Free (as in kippers)
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Ummm.... Solaris was only opensourc(ed) recently. It was free (as in download) for a while. That is why I used it. It was a cheap learning tool. Same with Linux. I own a PowerBook that is used mainly for iLife. (email, making dvds on my kids, iTunes, etc). I have a cheap thinkpad for Linux development. Using a Mac for that type of work seems like the wrong tool for the job. If I am compiling my OS X kernel for some obscure support, I am a niche market. This does not constitute Apple turning it's back on the OSS community. There needs to be a OSS community first and I think for OS X there isn't one.
Ask yourself, if your favorite brand of Linux cost as much as an XP License, but was open source, would you still use it?
I'd mod this up if I had mod points. Best quote I have heard in a long time.