I think he means that when someone tries to make a crystal of silicon, it's very hard to get it to form the same way as someone else's did, thus the "lattice", or configuration of atoms in a solid, wasn't the same. That measn that the quantity won't be the same, which means your standard measurement isn't standard.
I only went as far as Chem 1 for majors, so don't try to save the earth with this information.
I don't think it works this way. I think what happens is that the RFID enter a magnetic fields, which induces voltage in the RFID, which then radio transmits it's ID, which is then rec'd and verified. There are cards out there now that say "HID corporation" and "ProxCARD" that do this. I have one for my apartment complex and one for my work. They are slightly thicker than a credit card and use no batteries (moving through a magnetic field activates them).
I don't think the problem is making a receiver to pick up the signal, but making a portable magnetic field generator that would activate the RFIDs from a distance.
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I happen to think that the entire audience of Gator is made up of clueless individuals. People that haven't even HEARD of Mozilla, or wouldn't know why they should think about using another browser. My mother has Gator installed. Gator advertises, and something about that advertising made her think she wanted it. Where is Mozilla's advertising? Another place I used to see gator was when I worked for a university physchology dept. Lots of people had to use computers in there but didn't know anything outside of MS Word. Lots of gator installs.
Right now I do phone tech support for a major ISP in america (no not shitty AOL). I'd say 80% of the calls I get are from people who barely are able to understand what is happening when they go online. All they know is that they click here and they can get email. I am AMAZED that the broadband industry is able to function, because these people hardly do anything more than email or light web browsing. I think they just had a bad experience with dialup or their computer is old, and they thought broadband would speed it up.
I guess over time, more people will learn what is really going on, and after a while, most of the population will be at a higher computer literacy level, but right now it is pathetic. Some of these people have trouble finding the start button or the clock; and here they are spending 2-3x as much for a DSL conxn.
Disgusting. I'd like to see them (the outsourcing co.) back out of this. 2 people involved in a huge smear on the company for busting a child pornography trafficker? Riiiiiiight. They both just HAPPENED to fuck up this close to something this major. Whatever. I happen to think that EVERYONE fucks up on the job, but normally it isn't a big deal. I believe 100% that the company fired them over the smearing, but used legitimate complaints as the reason for dismissal.
Submerge the disc in an oxygen-poor environment. Someone already noted nitrogen. Possibly water (I guess it depends on the chemical reaction), oxygen gas is O-O, water is H-O-H, depending on the chemical they use it may not react with the oxygen in the water. Watch DVD, submerge in tupperware DVD holder until next viewing cycle:)
CD/DVD layer cleaners. Those Dr. Fixit things that clean scratched CD's. The chemical has to be exposed to oxygen, why can't you just scratch off the opaqueness? Kind of a reverse write-over-the-copy-protection-on-the-CD-with-a-sh arpie.
Least cost-effective: Open the DVD in a vacuum and put it in it's player, in a vacuum.:)
Seriously though, unless these are recycleable, I hope they fail miserably. What a huge waste of resources. More crap to throw away. What irresponsibility. What happened to ethics? Corporate responsibility? I guess you save some gas not having to return them tho. It better be cheaper than renting, cuz I live a quarter mile from a blockbuster. I don't mind renting and returning every once in a while.
More chemistry to think about: Is it the oxygen that bonds to the disc that makes the disc opaque? Or does it bind and pull whatever off the disc causing it to be unreadable, kind of like an oxygen wash? Would another chemical binding cause the disc to not be opaque and never fail? I'm no chemist, I only have a rudimentary understanding of the underlying forces. Your thoughts?
Disclaimer: I have no F*cking clue how divx worked. I don't think the discs would fail, I think there was some sort of serial number on the disc that was recorded to a central server. I think the DIVX player had a modem in it. This is different in that the disc has some sort of chemical reaction and either gets bit rot or becomes too opaque to be read. Interesting. I don't know how accurate that can be. What if it starts dying in the middle of playback? It'll look like direcTV on a cloudy day.
Maybe I should rephrase that. How about the mess created by throwing 30+ CD's around the room? Does that mean I get to call you a filthy pig for liking that idea better?
Because that's $50 extra I don't need to spend on a piece of hardware if I can make something I already own do it. Also, how big is the HD in the XBox? 40 gigs? 20 gigs? You can fit a nice handful of playstation games on that. Let's see, CD swapping hell +$50, or xbox jukebox for the cost of a modchip. Checking modchip prices, the difference is very small. Like $10 after shipping. Now also take into consideration that if you have 2 systems, you have to plug them both in somewhere. Now you need an AV switchbox or you have to use valuable inputs on your TV. Add another $30 for a switchbox and wires.
With the industry in the shitter like it is, I am having a hell of a time finding work. I just recently graduated with a degree in CS from UCF, and it's near-worthless. There are a million people out there with actual on-the-job experience in ADDITION to their degrees, and they too are working for pitiful wages in whatever they can get right now. I think if anything, age is a BONUS as long as you have the experience that usually goes along with it.
Yeah, THAT doesn't sound like something out of a techno-nightmare. Tall skinny people beware, if this thing works!
I mean, when I picture post-apocalyptic matrix-machines-have-taken-over hell, I picture machines running around with SYRINGES and robot vision. Whatever happened to weed killer pesticides or illegal mexican imigrants? (that isn't some kind of racial slur! I swear!)
this is why she retired/is retiring? Maybe it wasn't about Oil... it was really about securing all that Iraqi IP and Music! The REAL conspiracy is uncovered!
Diving into stupid buisness models a-la internet bubble.
Obligatory slasdotisms 1. find stupid people to give us $20,000 to put a piece of paper in space and bring it back 2. ???? 3. PROFIT!!!
What a horrible waste of resources. What does one get out of knowing that a piece of paper went into space? Retarded.
Also, as far as the article goes, why are return costs so high for pulling back to earth a kilo of material? You've already spent the $10,000-20,000 per kilo to GET something into space, much less fuel is required to bring the orbiter/rocket/whatever back to earth. Parachutes? Space Planes (even the shuttle just has to glide back)? I would think MOST of the work is getting things INTO orbit. Supplies, satellites, replacement equipment; what do you need to bring BACK, besides stupid letters?
I'm sorry if I sound like a troll, but the only thing newsworthy about this is the stupidity of the idea. I suppose it's nice to have some way to help the russians float their space agency, but I doubt this will help them.
I'm not a consultant (not professionally at least) but I have done computer work for those not in-the-know before. Let them know. Ethically and Financially it is the right thing to do. You don't have to outright criticize them. If you are a consultant, you should have at least some talking skills. You need to point it out in a non-insulting way. As long as you have made someone aware of it, you are blameless after that. Remember, your reputation rides on their satisfaction.
My take on this: of course he is going to say it won't suck! His job is to make a good show, and get people to watch it so the station can make money. If his show sucks, no one will watch it, and he won't get another paying job.
We have seen a TON of hype about TV lately (always?) and more than 95% of the time it is bullshit. Marketting hype.
Recent example: Fox TV: Joe Millionaire will make his decision next week! reality: No, just a filler episode, people boycotting Fox for lying.
"Exploit; To make use of selfishly or unethically. While Sun is acting in their own best interest there is nothing unethical about what they are doing. Nobody is being taken advantage of here. If one is willing to do the same job for a lower wage, then it would be irrational to pay someone else a higher wage."
It is completely unethical. Maybe you don't know what ethics are. Look that one up next. H1B visa workers are being taken advantage of, because they work for less. American workers are being taken advantage of because they can't afford to live for the prices that foreign workers can afford to live. Once again, it has nothing to do with standard of living, it has to do with local economies. American workers can no more change the value of the dollar in their local economies than cause the moon to fall from the sky.
"Everyone involved in the exchange of labor benefits. In the REAL larger picture, you will see that if a company has larger profits this is actually a benefit to the cities that these corporations are based. If they make more money it allows the company to grow, creating more jobs in that city. The company can increase the wages of its local employees which they can spend locally in that community, it creates growth in the entire economy. Growing economies create more jobs, even jobs for the people that were laid off in other industries. Everyone benefits."
But it DOESN'T benefit those cities, and that has been my entire point. If they are starting to use labor from outside the US, or even just outsourcing, then it DOES NOT benefit that community. That money goes out of the city, and out of the country in the case of offshoring. No corporation increases the wages of it's employees if they are offshoring. That money goes straight to the top and to the shareholders. Everyone does not benefit, in fact, more and more, a select few at the top are the ONLY ones who benefit.
"Now let's look at your idea. The government forces the company to keep paying its employees a wage that is too high for the work they do. This decreases the company's profits and they company either loses money or cannot grow at its full potential. They may be forced to cut back or not pay other employees the wages they do deserve. The economy does not grow, everyone suffers."
The workers in the Sun case were not even offered jobs at lower wages, so your assumption about the government forcing higher wages does not apply. Nobody works for a company to "let it grow at it's full potential" They do it to earn a salary.
"Wow, I'm not sure what I can say to this. Did you ever stop and think why this country is the best country that has ever existed, what sets it apart from all other countries? Could it be the fact that we have a relatively free economy and true individual rights?"
Maybe I should clarify. I despise what globalization is making of our free economy. Wether this country is the best is a matter of controversy. You won't see it that way because you are blinded by the free market.
"This law is immoral and unconstitutional, any law that does protect individual rights is WRONG. Not only does this one fail to protect peoples' rights, it takes rights away! The only people that are leaching off the economy are the people who are being paid salaries that they don't deserve. They are hiding behind an unjust law."
What do you mean, "any law that does protect individual rights is WRONG"? I thought you liked this country? You're right about the leachers tho (to an extent, they are not the only leachers). I do agree that CEO's make too much money, as do most upper management.
"Of course some companies do illegal things, I wouldn't imply that they don't. They only time that a company does something that is really wrong, regradless of the legality, is when they are infringing upon somebody else's rights. That is the only time"
Which they did in this case. They are using H1B workers to replace their workforce.
"How is providing "cheaper" countries with jobs exploiting them?"
Exactly as I said, they are exploiting cheaper conditions in countries that don't have as good worker protections and consumer protections, to the detrimment of US workers. I don't think it can be ANY clearer that this is exploitation.
"Moving jobs to countries where labor is cheaper is beneficial to everyone involved. The company benefits by getting labor at a lower price and increasing its profits, the laborers benefit by getting more gainful employment opportunity than the other opportunities that exist in their country. Both countries' economies grow as a result."
No, not everyone benefits. The workers in the US whose jobs are replaced CERTAINLY do not benefit. You are only looking at the benefits to the corporation, while I am looking at a larger picture, that is how that loss affects the cities these corp WERE based in.
"Your opinion on this policy is, in my opinion, one of the biggest problems with the line of thinking in this country"
I won't cry if you leave. Our country has much bigger problems than public opinion of corrupt politics and corporations.
"You are upset that Sun is taking employment opportunities away from people in this country. It is absolutely Sun's right to do this; we live in as close to a free market economy that exists in the world."
Your point is...? Screw the free market economy. It erodes all the things people have worked for in this country for the last 200 years.
"Your proposed solution to the problem is for the government to step in and tell Sun what it can and can't do. What if the government told you where you could and could not work? Would this be acceptable to you?"
What I'm saying is that Suns actions are illegal. They have broken the laws on H1B employee use. They are hurting the US workforce by doing this. They are using this as a replacement for their workforce, and that is not the intention of the law. The stated intention is to fill positions that can not be filled by the available workforce. I don't care about H1B visa workers, they can go build their own damn economy instead of leaching off ours because they can work for 1/10th what we can.
Sometimes companies do illegal things. You can't just blindly say it is "stifling a companies business practices" if they are breaking the law. Do you honestly think all corporations can do no wrong? That is pretty blind to me.
" In MY country companies need to be able hire whoever they want."
Then eventually unemployment in your country is going to be huge, because there is no way american workers can compete with foreign workers who require 1/10th the salary to survive. It has nothing to do with living w/o certain things and everything to do with the monetary system of that country. American money is just worth more in other countries. If you really believe this crap you are spewing, then you deserve to lose your job to some foreigner. Have fun in the unemployment line.
Oh sure, lets just change the entire email infrastructure.
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If we can't get a majority of the systems out there to install patches, how is this going to work? Besides, aren't a majority of spam email routed through open servers in China or something? We can't make China do squat.
The purpose of the government is to protect individual rights. If the government dictates a corporation's employment practices it is taking the corparations rights away. I don't see how outsourcing labor is an "exploitation" anyway.
Outsourcing labor isn't an exploitation. Offshoring it to cheaper countries is exploiting countries with a lower standard of living to dump a bunch of americans, and IMO it affects us all negatively.
You are in control of your own employment. If you can't find a job in the computer industry, maybe you should look for a job in some other industry where there is a demand for employment. I don't understand why you think somebody owes you an IT job just because you desire one.
Of course I'm not in control of my own employment. I chose where I would like to work, but I don't give myself the job. I have already spent my time in college, and I don't feel like going back there so soon after graduating. I'd prefer to voice my opinions on the matter and try to rectify the situation, instead of turning a blind eye to it like you are doing. No one owes me an IT job, but if there is an IT job to be had doing work for THIS country, MY country, then I'd like to see that job stay here; not watch some pithy CEO loser squeeze more money out for himself by ruining american job markets.
If it weren't for the corruption, then yes, I would have loved it. Capitalism suffers just as much from corruption as communism did.
Isn't that what governments are SUPPOSED to be for? To ensure the interest of the nation? Instead of lining your pockets with handouts from Disney so you can screw the American consumer?
Who do you want to have all the "power"? Do you want the government have the right to tell corporations who they employ and how much they pay them? If you don't like a particular company does, don't buy their products or use their services, but don't complain because people make a profit by running a business.
Yes actually, I do want the government to say wether or not these corp's can exploit americans. Or at least I want these corp's accountable to their workers. Is that such a bad thing?
I will complain if I want to complain. Don't be a dick. If I see a company cutting off 2500 jobs, that has an effect on MY chances for employement. Don't be ignorant. You are just ignoring the greater problem. This isn't just about 1 company. This is about a LOT of companies and how they are exporting the US IT job market.
Americans in general are very unproductive. So Sun and other companies, bring in worked from India to replace their lazy unproductive employees or in this case, also overpaid employees
What proof do you have of this?
Even if you have proof, do you really believe that Sun had 2,500 lazy workers? 2,500 lazy workers that helped make Sun the company it is today?
Look at the evidence. The tech market is slowly dying, Sun is in big trouble. It makes sense for them to cut off the leg to save the patient, and they are doing it in an illegal manner by hiring these H1B workers to replace a LARGE portion of their workers.
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Well, I meant nonsense as in opposed to the metric equivalent. Joules, isn't it? My point was that they also weren't using metric.
I think he means that when someone tries to make a crystal of silicon, it's very hard to get it to form the same way as someone else's did, thus the "lattice", or configuration of atoms in a solid, wasn't the same. That measn that the quantity won't be the same, which means your standard measurement isn't standard.
I only went as far as Chem 1 for majors, so don't try to save the earth with this information.
I'm a stupid american, but doesn't the british system also use likes stones, or foot-lbs and other nonsense? Which queen are you talking about?
I don't think it works this way. I think what happens is that the RFID enter a magnetic fields, which induces voltage in the RFID, which then radio transmits it's ID, which is then rec'd and verified. There are cards out there now that say "HID corporation" and "ProxCARD" that do this. I have one for my apartment complex and one for my work. They are slightly thicker than a credit card and use no batteries (moving through a magnetic field activates them).
I don't think the problem is making a receiver to pick up the signal, but making a portable magnetic field generator that would activate the RFIDs from a distance.
I happen to think that the entire audience of Gator is made up of clueless individuals. People that haven't even HEARD of Mozilla, or wouldn't know why they should think about using another browser. My mother has Gator installed. Gator advertises, and something about that advertising made her think she wanted it. Where is Mozilla's advertising? Another place I used to see gator was when I worked for a university physchology dept. Lots of people had to use computers in there but didn't know anything outside of MS Word. Lots of gator installs.
Right now I do phone tech support for a major ISP in america (no not shitty AOL). I'd say 80% of the calls I get are from people who barely are able to understand what is happening when they go online. All they know is that they click here and they can get email. I am AMAZED that the broadband industry is able to function, because these people hardly do anything more than email or light web browsing. I think they just had a bad experience with dialup or their computer is old, and they thought broadband would speed it up.
I guess over time, more people will learn what is really going on, and after a while, most of the population will be at a higher computer literacy level, but right now it is pathetic. Some of these people have trouble finding the start button or the clock; and here they are spending 2-3x as much for a DSL conxn.
Disgusting. I'd like to see them (the outsourcing co.) back out of this. 2 people involved in a huge smear on the company for busting a child pornography trafficker? Riiiiiiight. They both just HAPPENED to fuck up this close to something this major. Whatever. I happen to think that EVERYONE fucks up on the job, but normally it isn't a big deal. I believe 100% that the company fired them over the smearing, but used legitimate complaints as the reason for dismissal.
Submerge the disc in an oxygen-poor environment. Someone already noted nitrogen. Possibly water (I guess it depends on the chemical reaction), oxygen gas is O-O, water is H-O-H, depending on the chemical they use it may not react with the oxygen in the water. Watch DVD, submerge in tupperware DVD holder until next viewing cycle :)
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CD/DVD layer cleaners. Those Dr. Fixit things that clean scratched CD's. The chemical has to be exposed to oxygen, why can't you just scratch off the opaqueness? Kind of a reverse write-over-the-copy-protection-on-the-CD-with-a-s
Least cost-effective: Open the DVD in a vacuum and put it in it's player, in a vacuum.
Seriously though, unless these are recycleable, I hope they fail miserably. What a huge waste of resources. More crap to throw away. What irresponsibility. What happened to ethics? Corporate responsibility? I guess you save some gas not having to return them tho. It better be cheaper than renting, cuz I live a quarter mile from a blockbuster. I don't mind renting and returning every once in a while.
More chemistry to think about: Is it the oxygen that bonds to the disc that makes the disc opaque? Or does it bind and pull whatever off the disc causing it to be unreadable, kind of like an oxygen wash? Would another chemical binding cause the disc to not be opaque and never fail? I'm no chemist, I only have a rudimentary understanding of the underlying forces. Your thoughts?
Disclaimer: I have no F*cking clue how divx worked. I don't think the discs would fail, I think there was some sort of serial number on the disc that was recorded to a central server. I think the DIVX player had a modem in it. This is different in that the disc has some sort of chemical reaction and either gets bit rot or becomes too opaque to be read. Interesting. I don't know how accurate that can be. What if it starts dying in the middle of playback? It'll look like direcTV on a cloudy day.
Says the anonymous coward.
Out of shape, yes; fat, not really.
Maybe I should rephrase that. How about the mess created by throwing 30+ CD's around the room? Does that mean I get to call you a filthy pig for liking that idea better?
But my PC monitor isn't 36". Nor does it also play XBox titles.
As for your "not caring about our pain", then why bother to uphold an opposing opinion?
I don't even own an XBox, but if I did, I'd like to be able to do things like this.
Because that's $50 extra I don't need to spend on a piece of hardware if I can make something I already own do it. Also, how big is the HD in the XBox? 40 gigs? 20 gigs? You can fit a nice handful of playstation games on that. Let's see, CD swapping hell +$50, or xbox jukebox for the cost of a modchip. Checking modchip prices, the difference is very small. Like $10 after shipping. Now also take into consideration that if you have 2 systems, you have to plug them both in somewhere. Now you need an AV switchbox or you have to use valuable inputs on your TV. Add another $30 for a switchbox and wires.
With the industry in the shitter like it is, I am having a hell of a time finding work. I just recently graduated with a degree in CS from UCF, and it's near-worthless. There are a million people out there with actual on-the-job experience in ADDITION to their degrees, and they too are working for pitiful wages in whatever they can get right now. I think if anything, age is a BONUS as long as you have the experience that usually goes along with it.
Yeah, THAT doesn't sound like something out of a techno-nightmare. Tall skinny people beware, if this thing works!
I mean, when I picture post-apocalyptic matrix-machines-have-taken-over hell, I picture machines running around with SYRINGES and robot vision. Whatever happened to weed killer pesticides or illegal mexican imigrants? (that isn't some kind of racial slur! I swear!)
this is why she retired/is retiring? Maybe it wasn't about Oil... it was really about securing all that Iraqi IP and Music! The REAL conspiracy is uncovered!
Diving into stupid buisness models a-la internet bubble.
Obligatory slasdotisms
1. find stupid people to give us $20,000 to put a piece of paper in space and bring it back
2. ????
3. PROFIT!!!
What a horrible waste of resources. What does one get out of knowing that a piece of paper went into space? Retarded.
Also, as far as the article goes, why are return costs so high for pulling back to earth a kilo of material? You've already spent the $10,000-20,000 per kilo to GET something into space, much less fuel is required to bring the orbiter/rocket/whatever back to earth. Parachutes? Space Planes (even the shuttle just has to glide back)? I would think MOST of the work is getting things INTO orbit. Supplies, satellites, replacement equipment; what do you need to bring BACK, besides stupid letters?
I'm sorry if I sound like a troll, but the only thing newsworthy about this is the stupidity of the idea. I suppose it's nice to have some way to help the russians float their space agency, but I doubt this will help them.
I'm not a consultant (not professionally at least) but I have done computer work for those not in-the-know before. Let them know. Ethically and Financially it is the right thing to do. You don't have to outright criticize them. If you are a consultant, you should have at least some talking skills. You need to point it out in a non-insulting way. As long as you have made someone aware of it, you are blameless after that. Remember, your reputation rides on their satisfaction.
Disclaimer: I have not watched enterprise.
My take on this: of course he is going to say it won't suck! His job is to make a good show, and get people to watch it so the station can make money. If his show sucks, no one will watch it, and he won't get another paying job.
We have seen a TON of hype about TV lately (always?) and more than 95% of the time it is bullshit. Marketting hype.
Recent example: Fox TV: Joe Millionaire will make his decision next week! reality: No, just a filler episode, people boycotting Fox for lying.
Too many commercials anyway.
"Exploit; To make use of selfishly or unethically. While Sun is acting in their own best interest there is nothing unethical about what they are doing. Nobody is being taken advantage of here. If one is willing to do the same job for a lower wage, then it would be irrational to pay someone else a higher wage."
It is completely unethical. Maybe you don't know what ethics are. Look that one up next. H1B visa workers are being taken advantage of, because they work for less. American workers are being taken advantage of because they can't afford to live for the prices that foreign workers can afford to live. Once again, it has nothing to do with standard of living, it has to do with local economies. American workers can no more change the value of the dollar in their local economies than cause the moon to fall from the sky.
"Everyone involved in the exchange of labor benefits. In the REAL larger picture, you will see that if a company has larger profits this is actually a benefit to the cities that these corporations are based. If they make more money it allows the company to grow, creating more jobs in that city. The company can increase the wages of its local employees which they can spend locally in that community, it creates growth in the entire economy. Growing economies create more jobs, even jobs for the people that were laid off in other industries. Everyone benefits."
But it DOESN'T benefit those cities, and that has been my entire point. If they are starting to use labor from outside the US, or even just outsourcing, then it DOES NOT benefit that community. That money goes out of the city, and out of the country in the case of offshoring. No corporation increases the wages of it's employees if they are offshoring. That money goes straight to the top and to the shareholders. Everyone does not benefit, in fact, more and more, a select few at the top are the ONLY ones who benefit.
"Now let's look at your idea. The government forces the company to keep paying its employees a wage that is too high for the work they do. This decreases the company's profits and they company either loses money or cannot grow at its full potential. They may be forced to cut back or not pay other employees the wages they do deserve. The economy does not grow, everyone suffers."
The workers in the Sun case were not even offered jobs at lower wages, so your assumption about the government forcing higher wages does not apply. Nobody works for a company to "let it grow at it's full potential" They do it to earn a salary.
"Wow, I'm not sure what I can say to this. Did you ever stop and think why this country is the best country that has ever existed, what sets it apart from all other countries? Could it be the fact that we have a relatively free economy and true individual rights?"
Maybe I should clarify. I despise what globalization is making of our free economy. Wether this country is the best is a matter of controversy. You won't see it that way because you are blinded by the free market.
"This law is immoral and unconstitutional, any law that does protect individual rights is WRONG. Not only does this one fail to protect peoples' rights, it takes rights away! The only people that are leaching off the economy are the people who are being paid salaries that they don't deserve. They are hiding behind an unjust law."
What do you mean, "any law that does protect individual rights is WRONG"? I thought you liked this country? You're right about the leachers tho (to an extent, they are not the only leachers). I do agree that CEO's make too much money, as do most upper management.
"Of course some companies do illegal things, I wouldn't imply that they don't. They only time that a company does something that is really wrong, regradless of the legality, is when they are infringing upon somebody else's rights. That is the only time"
Which they did in this case. They are using H1B workers to replace their workforce.
"If I lose my job to somebody who is willing
"How is providing "cheaper" countries with jobs exploiting them?"
Exactly as I said, they are exploiting cheaper conditions in countries that don't have as good worker protections and consumer protections, to the detrimment of US workers. I don't think it can be ANY clearer that this is exploitation.
"Moving jobs to countries where labor is cheaper is beneficial to everyone involved. The company benefits by getting labor at a lower price and increasing its profits, the laborers benefit by getting more gainful employment opportunity than the other opportunities that exist in their country. Both countries' economies grow as a result."
No, not everyone benefits. The workers in the US whose jobs are replaced CERTAINLY do not benefit. You are only looking at the benefits to the corporation, while I am looking at a larger picture, that is how that loss affects the cities these corp WERE based in.
"Your opinion on this policy is, in my opinion, one of the biggest problems with the line of thinking in this country"
I won't cry if you leave. Our country has much bigger problems than public opinion of corrupt politics and corporations.
"You are upset that Sun is taking employment opportunities away from people in this country. It is absolutely Sun's right to do this; we live in as close to a free market economy that exists in the world."
Your point is...? Screw the free market economy. It erodes all the things people have worked for in this country for the last 200 years.
"Your proposed solution to the problem is for the government to step in and tell Sun what it can and can't do. What if the government told you where you could and could not work? Would this be acceptable to you?"
What I'm saying is that Suns actions are illegal. They have broken the laws on H1B employee use. They are hurting the US workforce by doing this. They are using this as a replacement for their workforce, and that is not the intention of the law. The stated intention is to fill positions that can not be filled by the available workforce. I don't care about H1B visa workers, they can go build their own damn economy instead of leaching off ours because they can work for 1/10th what we can.
Sometimes companies do illegal things. You can't just blindly say it is "stifling a companies business practices" if they are breaking the law. Do you honestly think all corporations can do no wrong? That is pretty blind to me.
" In MY country companies need to be able hire whoever they want."
Then eventually unemployment in your country is going to be huge, because there is no way american workers can compete with foreign workers who require 1/10th the salary to survive. It has nothing to do with living w/o certain things and everything to do with the monetary system of that country. American money is just worth more in other countries. If you really believe this crap you are spewing, then you deserve to lose your job to some foreigner. Have fun in the unemployment line.
Outsourcing labor isn't an exploitation. Offshoring it to cheaper countries is exploiting countries with a lower standard of living to dump a bunch of americans, and IMO it affects us all negatively.
Of course I'm not in control of my own employment. I chose where I would like to work, but I don't give myself the job. I have already spent my time in college, and I don't feel like going back there so soon after graduating. I'd prefer to voice my opinions on the matter and try to rectify the situation, instead of turning a blind eye to it like you are doing. No one owes me an IT job, but if there is an IT job to be had doing work for THIS country, MY country, then I'd like to see that job stay here; not watch some pithy CEO loser squeeze more money out for himself by ruining american job markets.
If it weren't for the corruption, then yes, I would have loved it. Capitalism suffers just as much from corruption as communism did.
Isn't that what governments are SUPPOSED to be for? To ensure the interest of the nation? Instead of lining your pockets with handouts from Disney so you can screw the American consumer?
Yes actually, I do want the government to say wether or not these corp's can exploit americans. Or at least I want these corp's accountable to their workers. Is that such a bad thing?
I will complain if I want to complain. Don't be a dick. If I see a company cutting off 2500 jobs, that has an effect on MY chances for employement. Don't be ignorant. You are just ignoring the greater problem. This isn't just about 1 company. This is about a LOT of companies and how they are exporting the US IT job market.
What proof do you have of this?
Even if you have proof, do you really believe that Sun had 2,500 lazy workers? 2,500 lazy workers that helped make Sun the company it is today?
Look at the evidence. The tech market is slowly dying, Sun is in big trouble. It makes sense for them to cut off the leg to save the patient, and they are doing it in an illegal manner by hiring these H1B workers to replace a LARGE portion of their workers.