Ask Brett Glass how has he been treated all these years in return for his FreeBSD advocacy.
What Brett Glass does is not advocacy. And what you people are doing for DFly is not advocacy either. It annoys people and sends them somewhere else. Nobody likes whiny paranoid high-pitched idiots, and it's high time you realised it.
If India is 'self-sufficient' in food, WHY are the MAJORITY of indian children malnourished?
Read up on what "self-sufficient" means, and read up on some basic economics and history too, before calling people liars. There is food for all; what many don't have is purchasing power, and a good public distribution system doesn't exist (a bad one does exist, though). Nothing to do with foreign aid or lack of it.
And you need pointers with python? One reason it's an easy language is you don't need them, nor do you need malloc and suchlike. Not that Basic's lack of pointers makes it a great language, far from it: it lacks too much else, it looks like assembly language without the power of assembly language...
they would seek to extract value from that catalog anyway they could,
If they thought there was value in it, they'd be extracting that value right now. Yes, Miles Davis and Thelonious Monk will survive, but lots of lesser artists won't. Last I checked, I couldn't even find Don Pullen's "Ode to life" or his last, posthumous album, "Sacred common ground", both released by Blue Note in the 1990s to excellent reviews.
Follow up: a better link to Coutaz's comments. Basically he says that concert audiences are growing, a large number of them are young people, they buy CDs at concerts, yet sales at stores are falling; this is because the big guys are not interested in marketing classical music. I'd say, let the big guys die. Except that they're sitting on warehouses of classic, irreplaceable recordings by departed and living icons of the 20th century, and if they die, a large fraction of world culture dies with them...
The same is true with jazz. Harmonia Mundi stores in France (which stock other independent labels than their own too) have some excellent jazz, but unfortunately a very large fraction of the most important jazz recordings of the 1950s and 1960s are controlled by four or five big companies, even though a lot of today's best players are under small, independent (often European) labels.
Serious music won't. I don't know anyone who uses downloading/P2P for classical or jazz. There are a lot of smaller labels out there that do a very good, serious, professional job of packaging their CDs for a discerning audience; and a lot of discerning people who buy their stuff. That's why chains like Harmonia Mundi in France are doing fine. As Harmonia Mundi's founder Bernard Coutaz points out (scroll to bottom), the audience is there and growing, and concert goers regularly buy CDs: it's the big labels who are failing to reach out to such customers. Me, I'm happy if the generic Tower Records crashes and burns, give me the small guy who actually knows his stuff. As for South Korea, dunno -- maybe they don't have enough of a market for that kind of thing, they're dominated by the MTV crowd?
Yeah, and last time I checked one was downed by a tire that exploded.
Ah you're right, that's so unlike American planes that never ever crash, not even one in 20 years.
"Heard of Airbus?"
Yep, and last I checked a fly-by-wire system destroyed a prominent Aribus jet at an airshow.
And, of course, no Boeing has ever crashed. And I note that you haven't heard of the TGV. Or of the Paris underground (Metro/RER) network that connects both airports, all train stations, and every part of Paris. Quite different from New York, where JFK still doesn't have a decent train connection to Manhattan (the subway takes as long as the TGV train from Paris's CDG airport to Brussels!), and a light rail has only just opened connecting it to Queens -- that too, running slowed-down after a test run crashed killing the driver. Good old American know-how.
People -- there is a reason the least often uttered phrase in the world is Quality French Engineering
Cheap insult: moronic ignorant xenophobic American. Heard of the TGV? 300 km/h (over 1800 mph), running since the early 80s, not a single fatality and only a small handful of accidents. Compare that with Amtrak or British Rail. Heard of the Concorde? Heard of Airbus?
Do you really mean 35km/h on average? For how long? That is almost as good as a professional cyclist can get...
I think you're wrong about professional cyclists.
Most certainly. Professional runners can do better than 20 km/h (current marathon record is a little over 2 hrs, and current 5000m record is a little over 12 mins). A professional cyclist can do well over 50 km/h.
Well yes, since you ask, I'm in India now and have been here all my life, except for four years recently, two of which were in New York. It's a question of principle: poverty in the US is obviously not comparable to poverty in India, but at individual scales, the deadbeat outside my apartment block in NY was every bit as wretched looking as any poor person I've seen in India. I don't see any handouts for people like that, or any calls to stop the US space programme on their account. You seem to be arguing that if poor people like that exist in America it's their own damn fault.
As for India, post-liberalisation much of the country, especially the south, is visibly more prosperous in the last 10 years. And yes, trickle-down does happen: if pay at the top goes up, pay improves all the way down. Not proportionately, of course, but now even sweepers and cleaners own cell phones. More importantly, the pie grows: there are rich people now from modest middle-class families, and there are middle-class people who grew up in poor families.
It's funny to hear an American (as I assume you are) arguing against free-market economics or R&D and pushing the commie viewpoint that nobody has a right to spend money on anything else while poor people are around.
6 comments and already half of them are whining about why can't India spend money on education and hospitals. So the USA and Europe have no poor people, no uneducated people, no sick people who can't afford healthcare? News to me. Any number of recent stories on slashdot have talked about spinoffs from India's space programme that have helped, and are helping, the Indian people (satellite education, improved weather forecasting and cyclone alerts, remote sensing and crop monitoring, etc...) And has it occurred to you that the moon project could be a money winner in the long run, if India can do it cheaper and better than others? India is already getting a non-negligible share of the satellite launch business, as well as saving a lot of money by doing its own launches instead of depending on Ariane and others. But no, next time an India story comes, it will be another "oh look at all those poor illiterate people, why are they running a space programme" flood of comments, mainly from Americans who're hardly literate in their native language, judging by the writing samples on display.
Bicycle theft in the US and Europe isn't sucky individual people, it's organised crime.
can you back that up, or even give some basic reasoning behind that statement.
It's common knowledge, here's a quick google reference. In Amsterdam, 40% of bicycle thiefs are professionals: "This group makes a substantial profit from rebirthing and is known for scouring the city at night and lifting several bicycles at a time, putting them in vans or trailers."
As for the "basic reasoning": bicycle theft isn't terribly economical for an individual. It's not a terribly valuable object, and the risks of getting caught outweigh the benefits. But if you're part of an organisation that has a streamlined process of dismantling bikes, pulling out the best parts, reassembling them, and sending the finished objects to second hand markets in Europe and Africa, that makes it difference. No doubt the prevalence of this encourages petty thiefs too, who would not otherwise think of stealing bikes.
Bicycle theft in the US and Europe isn't sucky individual people, it's organised crime.
Here in India, I do lock my bicycle; what I don't do is chain it to an immovable object. If someone sees an unlocked cycle he may be tempted to take it away, but nobody's going to break a lock or pick up and carry away a cycle in public. In fact, in the past I have forgotten to lock the thing at all, with no ill-effects: the bike was still there when I got back. This is because this particular form of organised crime doesn't exist in India; it is not because India is somehow more moral than the west (well, maybe it is more self-policing: people witnessing a bicycle theft will probably protest and give a chase, where in the west people will pretend they never saw anything).
If this is a flagship Operating System, then Dijkstra's life was in vain.
It was, anyway.
Dijkstra: "It is practically impossible to teach good programming style to students that have had prior exposure to BASIC: as potential programmers they are mentally mutilated beyond hope of regeneration."
I don't mind being filmed in a public place either, and supposing someone does mind, what do you do about it? How do you know you're not being filmed, these days when half the mobile phones have inbuilt cameras? Will you ban such devices? I don't even trust myself to spot every whacking great SLR camera that may be pointed at me. If you're in public, your actions may be noted and recorded, by the government or by someone else; deal with it. If it's the government, and if the result is a safer neighbourhood and a greater likelihood of catching criminals, I'm all for it.
Not only that, but before World War II, the "centre of gravity" for science was really Europe, not America, so hardly any of the major papers in quantum mechanics and so on got published in the Physical Review journals. So this survey is highly biased to the years after 1945. That's why condensed matter physics does so well: its golden age was the 1950s and the 1960s, when basic quantum mechanics was well understood and techniques from quantum field theory were being applied to solid state systems for the first time.
Novell most likely does have the copyrights/patents that are involved with Linux.
I think you mean "involved with Unix".
It is possible that Sun would give them to SCO since it is almost certain that SCO has no real case at this point.
It wouldn't help much. Nothing has been shown to be copied from Unix, except some rather trivial stuff (I forget what) that had been released in various forms many times before, and a rather large chunk of old Unix was released by Caldera under Ransom Love with a BSD-like licence. SCO's making noise about the enterprise-level features that IBM put into linux, like RCU, JFS, etc. None of which has anything to do with Novell.
But it's the default Bourne shell only on linux (and cygwin). The BSDs, for example, use a small, statically-linked (for system recovery) "real" Bourne shell.
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What Brett Glass does is not advocacy. And what you people are doing for DFly is not advocacy either. It annoys people and sends them somewhere else. Nobody likes whiny paranoid high-pitched idiots, and it's high time you realised it.
Read up on what "self-sufficient" means, and read up on some basic economics and history too, before calling people liars. There is food for all; what many don't have is purchasing power, and a good public distribution system doesn't exist (a bad one does exist, though). Nothing to do with foreign aid or lack of it.
And you need pointers with python? One reason it's an easy language is you don't need them, nor do you need malloc and suchlike. Not that Basic's lack of pointers makes it a great language, far from it: it lacks too much else, it looks like assembly language without the power of assembly language...
If they thought there was value in it, they'd be extracting that value right now. Yes, Miles Davis and Thelonious Monk will survive, but lots of lesser artists won't. Last I checked, I couldn't even find Don Pullen's "Ode to life" or his last, posthumous album, "Sacred common ground", both released by Blue Note in the 1990s to excellent reviews.
Follow up: a better link to Coutaz's comments. Basically he says that concert audiences are growing, a large number of them are young people, they buy CDs at concerts, yet sales at stores are falling; this is because the big guys are not interested in marketing classical music. I'd say, let the big guys die. Except that they're sitting on warehouses of classic, irreplaceable recordings by departed and living icons of the 20th century, and if they die, a large fraction of world culture dies with them... The same is true with jazz. Harmonia Mundi stores in France (which stock other independent labels than their own too) have some excellent jazz, but unfortunately a very large fraction of the most important jazz recordings of the 1950s and 1960s are controlled by four or five big companies, even though a lot of today's best players are under small, independent (often European) labels.
Serious music won't. I don't know anyone who uses downloading/P2P for classical or jazz. There are a lot of smaller labels out there that do a very good, serious, professional job of packaging their CDs for a discerning audience; and a lot of discerning people who buy their stuff. That's why chains like Harmonia Mundi in France are doing fine. As Harmonia Mundi's founder Bernard Coutaz points out (scroll to bottom), the audience is there and growing, and concert goers regularly buy CDs: it's the big labels who are failing to reach out to such customers. Me, I'm happy if the generic Tower Records crashes and burns, give me the small guy who actually knows his stuff. As for South Korea, dunno -- maybe they don't have enough of a market for that kind of thing, they're dominated by the MTV crowd?
Erm no you don't. 65 is the upper limit. It's fine to hit the highway at 45 or so.
Yeah, and last time I checked one was downed by a tire that exploded.
Ah you're right, that's so unlike American planes that never ever crash, not even one in 20 years.
"Heard of Airbus?"
Yep, and last I checked a fly-by-wire system destroyed a prominent Aribus jet at an airshow.
And, of course, no Boeing has ever crashed. And I note that you haven't heard of the TGV. Or of the Paris underground (Metro/RER) network that connects both airports, all train stations, and every part of Paris. Quite different from New York, where JFK still doesn't have a decent train connection to Manhattan (the subway takes as long as the TGV train from Paris's CDG airport to Brussels!), and a light rail has only just opened connecting it to Queens -- that too, running slowed-down after a test run crashed killing the driver. Good old American know-how.
Cheap insult: moronic ignorant xenophobic American. Heard of the TGV? 300 km/h (over 1800 mph), running since the early 80s, not a single fatality and only a small handful of accidents. Compare that with Amtrak or British Rail. Heard of the Concorde? Heard of Airbus?
It was a reply: in case you didn't notice, the quote is from the main posting.
Well yes, since you ask, I'm in India now and have been here all my life, except for four years recently, two of which were in New York. It's a question of principle: poverty in the US is obviously not comparable to poverty in India, but at individual scales, the deadbeat outside my apartment block in NY was every bit as wretched looking as any poor person I've seen in India. I don't see any handouts for people like that, or any calls to stop the US space programme on their account. You seem to be arguing that if poor people like that exist in America it's their own damn fault.
As for India, post-liberalisation much of the country, especially the south, is visibly more prosperous in the last 10 years. And yes, trickle-down does happen: if pay at the top goes up, pay improves all the way down. Not proportionately, of course, but now even sweepers and cleaners own cell phones. More importantly, the pie grows: there are rich people now from modest middle-class families, and there are middle-class people who grew up in poor families.
It's funny to hear an American (as I assume you are) arguing against free-market economics or R&D and pushing the commie viewpoint that nobody has a right to spend money on anything else while poor people are around.
RTFA, this is an unmanned mission.
6 comments and already half of them are whining about why can't India spend money on education and hospitals. So the USA and Europe have no poor people, no uneducated people, no sick people who can't afford healthcare? News to me. Any number of recent stories on slashdot have talked about spinoffs from India's space programme that have helped, and are helping, the Indian people (satellite education, improved weather forecasting and cyclone alerts, remote sensing and crop monitoring, etc...) And has it occurred to you that the moon project could be a money winner in the long run, if India can do it cheaper and better than others? India is already getting a non-negligible share of the satellite launch business, as well as saving a lot of money by doing its own launches instead of depending on Ariane and others. But no, next time an India story comes, it will be another "oh look at all those poor illiterate people, why are they running a space programme" flood of comments, mainly from Americans who're hardly literate in their native language, judging by the writing samples on display.
It's common knowledge, here's a quick google reference. In Amsterdam, 40% of bicycle thiefs are professionals: "This group makes a substantial profit from rebirthing and is known for scouring the city at night and lifting several bicycles at a time, putting them in vans or trailers."
As for the "basic reasoning": bicycle theft isn't terribly economical for an individual. It's not a terribly valuable object, and the risks of getting caught outweigh the benefits. But if you're part of an organisation that has a streamlined process of dismantling bikes, pulling out the best parts, reassembling them, and sending the finished objects to second hand markets in Europe and Africa, that makes it difference. No doubt the prevalence of this encourages petty thiefs too, who would not otherwise think of stealing bikes.
Here in India, I do lock my bicycle; what I don't do is chain it to an immovable object. If someone sees an unlocked cycle he may be tempted to take it away, but nobody's going to break a lock or pick up and carry away a cycle in public. In fact, in the past I have forgotten to lock the thing at all, with no ill-effects: the bike was still there when I got back. This is because this particular form of organised crime doesn't exist in India; it is not because India is somehow more moral than the west (well, maybe it is more self-policing: people witnessing a bicycle theft will probably protest and give a chase, where in the west people will pretend they never saw anything).
It was, anyway.
Dijkstra: "It is practically impossible to teach good programming style to students that have had prior exposure to BASIC: as potential programmers they are mentally mutilated beyond hope of regeneration."
Microsoft: Visual BASIC.
I don't mind being filmed in a public place either, and supposing someone does mind, what do you do about it? How do you know you're not being filmed, these days when half the mobile phones have inbuilt cameras? Will you ban such devices? I don't even trust myself to spot every whacking great SLR camera that may be pointed at me. If you're in public, your actions may be noted and recorded, by the government or by someone else; deal with it. If it's the government, and if the result is a safer neighbourhood and a greater likelihood of catching criminals, I'm all for it.
And Google translates that back to English as "why gangrene nonisolated by the system of the interior?" Makes sense.
Have you tried snailmailing her publisher? That's the normal way to contact an author.
Not only that, but before World War II, the "centre of gravity" for science was really Europe, not America, so hardly any of the major papers in quantum mechanics and so on got published in the Physical Review journals. So this survey is highly biased to the years after 1945. That's why condensed matter physics does so well: its golden age was the 1950s and the 1960s, when basic quantum mechanics was well understood and techniques from quantum field theory were being applied to solid state systems for the first time.
I think you mean "involved with Unix".
It is possible that Sun would give them to SCO since it is almost certain that SCO has no real case at this point.
It wouldn't help much. Nothing has been shown to be copied from Unix, except some rather trivial stuff (I forget what) that had been released in various forms many times before, and a rather large chunk of old Unix was released by Caldera under Ransom Love with a BSD-like licence. SCO's making noise about the enterprise-level features that IBM put into linux, like RCU, JFS, etc. None of which has anything to do with Novell.
if they think this purchase will let them "own" linux
In many European countries, in an accident between a car and a bicycle, the driver of the car is presumed to be at fault no matter what.
Personally, I think that's an excellent idea. Though I know most Americans won't believe what they're reading.
But it's the default Bourne shell only on linux (and cygwin). The BSDs, for example, use a small, statically-linked (for system recovery) "real" Bourne shell.