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Kryptonite U-Lock Security Flaw
An anonymous reader writes "Once upon a time, a magic marker was able to defeat the Key2Audio copy protection scheme of older Sony CDs. Now, it has been shown that a Bic pen can easily open several models of Kryptonite U-locks. Please patch your systems, or install a tracking device on your bikes!"
sure this site will be /.ed soon....
$> man woman
$> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
Sound familiar?
Too bad we couldn't just live in a society where we wouldn't have to worry about theft! :(
It ain't 'stuff that matters' if it's old news!
From their home page:
"Canton, MA September 17, 2004 - Kryptonite today announced it will provide free product upgrades for certain locks purchased since September 2002, in response to consumer concerns about tubular cylinder lock technology. Consumers can visit the company's Website (www.kryptonitelock.com) on Wednesday afternoon, September 22, 2004, to learn how they can participate in the security upgrade program."
It could be worse, it could be Monday.
See the NYT for article
This has been on the 'net since 1997.
Those environmentalists in Neal Stephenson's Zodiac won't be very happy to learn this...
Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
They probably figured that would be theives wouldn't know how to write anyway. I'm sure it was found ver secure against a crayon.
Now if they'd only open-source these locks...
I do know for sure that this info has been out for at least two months, if not more.
Buy a pen.
Win a free bike.
Direct link to the topic
Like Coke machines? Same vulnerability? Of course your pen barrel would need to be MUCH bigger
First I thought this story was a dupe, then I realized I was just remembering videos and comments from a previous discussion in the "Steel Bolt Hacking" story.
So is this a dupe or did I just read it (as usual) a week ago on boing-boing?
/ 09/15/ 1826240&tid=172&tid=126&tid=6
Also see steel-bolt hacking book review from a few days ago:
http://books.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04
Give them a break. ANY security device can be defeated using specialized tools.
Does anyone else get the feeling that they are watching porn when they watch those videos with the guy wriggling the pen in the keyhole and then trying to pull the lock open? There is something inherently dirty in that...
Here is a video made by the gentleman who did it.e v_disc_web.mov
* http://thirdrate.com/misc/krypto.mov
Another movie, different lock.
* http://biginjapan.com/extranet/assets/ben/krypto_
Enjoy.
There is no patch for human stupidity.
No, not a precise dupe. On /. it surfaced inside a related discussion (last week?).
But old news elsewhere. Especially in schoolyards. Some news travels real quick.
Lockpick Video one
Lockpick Video two
Lockpick Video three
Lockpick Video four
Lockpick Video five
python -c "x='python -c %sx=%s; print x%%(chr(34),repr(x),chr(34))%s'; print x%(chr(34),repr(x),chr(34))"
I tried it out with my own lock. 30 seconds and it was open. I called the Kryptonite company. At the time they were aware of the problem and are rushing their next generation of cylinders into production.
Interestingly enough, the problem was first reported in Britain in 1992. But it didn't go anywhere. Hurray for the age of fast information dissemination. And fast technology transfer to the bad guys.
The man who never alters his opinion is like the stagnant water and breeds Reptiles of the Mind -- William Blake
... with a Garmin GPS receiver, and a Cell phone, I am looking for a bit of hardware to interconnect them so that if the bike takes off it will call me and I can report it's tracks to the local constabulatory.
Of course with my luck the thief will think the cell phone and GPS are a more attractive theft item than the Bke...
-Rusty
You never know...
Sorry everyone, I couldn't resist. So does this mean I can get arrested for my Bic pen? Its now a burglary tool now...
-- Mace only makes me hornier.
at least one person won't be able to open this lock: Superman.
I used to be a bike messenger and I would have always told you, use a New York
Lock, which by the way, isn't vunerable to this attack. It's the best lock in
the world, but at $50, only bike messengers seem to care enough/or know enough
to pay the money. Honestly, I can't count the number of times I've seen
expensive 1K and up bikes locked up with a $20 lock. If that.
SealBeater
-- Its survival of the fittest...and we got the fucking guns!!!
Buy a pen.
Win a free bike a week earlier than slashdot readers.
This is a flaw in the barrel style key system. I'm hardly a locksmith, but I've tried this on several of my locks and others just to prove the point, and the majority are not kryptonite locks. All of them have opened without more than 30 seconds of effort.
The sick part is the problem has been well known to manufacturers since 1992, and nothing has been done about it.
"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" -- Red Green
After all, this is slashdot.
"I do know for sure that this info has been out for at least two months, if not more."
Just look at the posters garage.
...the DMCA will soon make pens illegal.
You could equip it with a spike. Thief "borrows" bike and soon after gets your "point". Right in the seat.
Normally the Oregonian is nothing to brag about, but damn if this wasn't the lead articlef ?/base/front_page/1095508748276280.xml
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ss
on Saturday morning.
Makes me feel good to live in this town (Portland, aka Stumptown, aka River City aka the Rose City aka "the city that works") where the most important news in the world is that the locks we all use to secure our bikes aren't technically "locks." at all.
PDX is one two wheelin' city.
For less than the cost of a decent bike lock, you can buy a bike that's not worth stealing.
Unknown host pong.
literally
"The sick part is the problem has been well known to manufacturers since 1992, and nothing has been done about it."
Taking lessons from auto manufacturers no doubt.
Because we all love Videos.
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BoingBoing had it covered a long time ago.
Here're a couple of movies, too, with different locks - movie 1 and movie 2.
Bravo, slashdot nerds. You guys sure are slow, this technique has been known since the late 90s. Unfortunately now pretty much everybody knows about this lock weakness, it actually extends to these tubular locks found on several types of devices: bike locks, computer and peripheral (esp laptop) locks, vending machines, elevator access locks, even garage doors.
Tubular locks are usually designed so you have to turn it at least a quarter turn to open it, which would involve picking the lock several times. The Kryptonite they show releases the shackle in an intermediate position -- bad design there. A real tubular lock pick should open those locks; a simple plastic cylinder of the right diameter should not.
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Wow. This was handled like Microsoft handles security. ...ahh yeah it has been an issue for over 10 years but since no one knew about it.... Damn those people that publish security flaws... Why didn't they just tell us so we could fix it? They hurt us all. Now we have fixed it because of the uproar... never mind all those people that stole bikes and screwed over hard working people for ten years...
I always thought that a bic pen should be on that list =)
If you are like me, you may own, say 3 kryptoloks, purchased over the last five years which you never bothered to register, and can't remember where you purchased them, or maybe you remember that you purchased them somewhere in Los Angeles and now you live in PDX... will this apply to unregistered locks? with no receipt? LIKE THOSE PROBABLY OWNED BY 90% OF FOLKS? ... and it sounds like they are only offering to let you spend more money on a new product by a company that sold you a defective product the first time around. "Please reward us for our mistake."
Unless they are willing to replace the defective product, maybe it's time for a class action law suit?
I used a bic to open some used pc caselocks the other day. Just cut if off with an exacto where it was the right diameter, and ground it in there until it grabbed. On a bike lock, definitely a bug. On a PC case, I consider it a feature... because somewhere, under the ground, there's a strange sweaty gnome with a high pitched voice who stashes them in a desk drawer right next to a pile of everyone's lost socks.
Someone had to do it.
While this is certainly something that lock manufacturers need to deal with, everyone needs to also keep one simple idea in mind.
The purpose of a lock is to keep honest and semi-honest people from taking your stuff. If someone is damned and determined to take your bike, he's going to get it, regardless of what lock you use.
I also have to nod in agreement with an earlier poster who pointed out that for the price of a fancy lock, you can get a bike that no one wants to steal. This is a perfect example of why my everyday driver car is an old beater that no one in their right mind would want to steal. If you're going to drive fancy stuff, then you have to accept that you are going to be a target.
I want a new quote. One that won't spill. One that don't cost too much. Or come in a pill.
I was going to post that last night. If you follow the link, it has about 5 videos on cracking the locks. Some of the funniest stuff I've seen in a LONG TIME!
~ Mooga
I'll take "The Penis Mightier" for $200, Alex
repost
Since I learned about this a few days ago, tonight I went out for a long bike ride in the dark visiting several high schools where I could find various types of U locks on the bike racks. Armed with three bic pens, I tried probably about 30 locks and was only able to open one. I don't think this vulnerability is as widespread among U locks as people believe... Kryptonite locks, maybe yes, but in general, no.
Kryptonite today announced it will provide free product upgrades
From what I have read, the upgrade will replace the lock core with one of a smaller diameter. This isn't really a long term fix - someone will probably discover a different brand of pen that will open the new locks as well.
I have tried the Bic pen on my own Krypto lock - and it's really easy. The strange thing is, this isn't some design flaw with the lock. Everyone (hopefully) knows that all locks can be picked. But, it should be hard, requiring specialized tools and some skill. The Bic pen seems to have just the right magical combination of size, and balance of hard/soft plastic, that it makes an astonishingly effective lock pick. After opening my lock, the pen barrel had divots in it from the pins that looked just like my key. The plastic seems hard enough to push the pins down until they set, but then soft enough to hold the pin in that position.
Also, this isn't exactly breaking news.
Dear Submitter: Thank you for having the intelligence to not use the word "hack" in your lock-picking story, unlike some people.
You need a FREE iPod Nano
Quick! Sue BIC under the DMCA as a device that can defeat a security lock
Now everyone will try to see what their wanker can unlock
Table-ized A.I.
"Sorry everyone, I couldn't resist. "
I'm afraid you couldn't even open a chastity belt with THAT tool.
this seems like a strange comment..
Kryptonite reacts
"This is not just a Kryptonite concern," a Kryptonite spokeswoman told Reuters. "This is an issue with some tubular cylinders, not all. Anything with a tubular cylinder could be a concern including vending machines, coin-operated machines, other security products."
A spokeswoman for Kryptonite's parent company, Ingersoll-Rand, said Kryptonite products account for less than 1 percent of Ingersoll-Rand's $10 billion in annual sales.
Oh, well -- they're such a behemoth that this is a mere annoyance.
That seems bizzare.
Hello, I'm calling from the New York Times regarding the story about the bike locks. Do you have any comment?
Yes, well... Kryptonite is a very small subsidiary. Their sales count for far less than one percent of our annual ten billion dollar global revenue.
I see. Thank you for your time.
Not at all, you're welcome.
There is much cruelty in the universe, John.
Yeah, we seem to have the tour map.
I remember Kryptonite locks have a manufacturer's guarantee against thief. Is this covered? If someone's bike gets stolen, would they replacec it still?
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You know slashdot's anti-Kryptonite bias. All these anti-kryptonite zealots here. Geeze, this place is becoming the free republic version for the anti-kryptonite zealots. You just know if a flaw like this was found in BSD or Linux, it'd be played down.
Yes, I am mocking all the MS sympathizing weenies who come out in full force to decry anything negative about MS at all, whether deserved or undeserved.
So how is this different? Somebody makes a supposedly secure product (which it is not) that is overpriced (which MS products ARE). Somebody else finds that the thing is a piece of crap, and disseminates this knowledge. Who's the bad guy? The big corporation that makes money from marketing garbage? Hah.
NO NO! That was about KENSINGTON locks. These are Kryptonite locks. So different they deserve their own dupe. Expect story posted next week about servers being able to be stolen with just a screwdriver to remove them from the rack!
wdd
I'm sure they could give two-shits about a few fucked-up bike locks...
http://www.irco.com/aboutir/companyoverview/
Most people who have heard of Ingersoll-Rand (NYSE:IR) typically think of the company as a construction and mining machinery maker. That's understandable because, beginning with predecessor companies, Ingersoll-Rand has participated in the world's construction and mining industries since 1871. Now, however, that primary identification of Ingersoll-Rand overlooks the company's tremendous diversification.
Today's Ingersoll-Rand is a global innovation and solutions provider with powerful brands and leading positions within its markets. The company features a portfolio of worldwide businesses comprising an enviable roster of leading industrial and commercial brands, such as Bobcat compact equipment; Club Car golf cars; Dresser-Rand turbomachinery; Hussmann stationary refrigeration equipment; Ingersoll-Rand industrial and construction equipment; Kryptonite locks; PowerWorks microturbines; Schlage locks and Thermo King transport temperature-control equipment. These, and many other Ingersoll-Rand brands, are positioned as number one or two in their markets.
in Soviet Russia, Lock Picks U.
The Hacker's Guide To The Kernel: Don't panic()!
The Kryptonite Combination Lock is easy to crack as well. Pull at the lock while turning the right-most dial - when you get the correct number it will pull apart slightly. Repeat for each other number going from right to left, until it opens fully.
It made me chuckle.
Needle Nardle Noo
The pins in the lock are vunlerable to being raked because they're all set in roughly the same position. If they were disparate, you couldn't successfully rake them (except if you were very lucky and could bite chunks out of your bic pen to match the right key :)
... they want their news back.
Seriously, though, I heard on NPR (National Public Radio) way back in 2001 that most of the audio CD protection schemes can be circumvented with a sharpie... why is this suddenly back in the news now?
- Code Dark
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The solution to the problem, THAT is the issue. Let's gather around and think of what the big organizations/individuals would do to solve a problem such as this.
US goverment: Liberate bike from thief using a squadron of B2 bombers. At one point or another, several brits die, even if Rhumself has to find them and kill them himself. Bic pens linked to Al-Qaida.
Australian goverment: Send in Steve Irwin. If he gets killed, it's a good thing. If catches the thief, it's a better thing.
Brittish goverment: Sod the thief, fancy a scone, dear chap?
United Nations: Convene in an emergency session, go into recess after 10 minutes for cookies and tea. In the end, they condemn the theft but none of them manages to do fuck all.
European Union: The French and the Brits start bitching at eachother about which country has superior Bic pens. Germany and Spain wonder since when the damn Brits are part of Europe. The rest of Europe tried to talk tough before getting bitchslapped into submission by Germany and France.
RIAA: Claim that people who open locks use it to fund terrorism. Randomly sue locksmiths.
Microsoft: Vehemently deny existence of faulty locks. Release hotfix for existing locks, which consists of pouring glue in keyhole.
SCO: Sue Bic, 3M, Canada, a random seagull and the tooth fairy for copyright infringement on their proprietary way of opening locks with ballpoints.
Richard Stallman: Proudly proclaim the bike simply wanted to be free.
Eric S Raymond: Something irrelevant that contains a plug for "The Cathedral and the Bazaar".
Larry Wall: Make all locks so confusing that thieves don't know how to open them. Nor do the owners. Or manufacturers, for that matter.
George Lucas: Make a movie about bikes being stolen with Bic pens. Milk this movie out until 2050.
Bruce Willis: Get a bunch of oil drillers to find the thief and shove a nuke up his ass. And for the love of Eris, someone PLEASE screw Liv Tyler!
The copy mart there uses an ungarded cardboard box for payment. Last I heard, never been swiped.
Oops, cats out of that bag.
Pass a law declaring Bic pens to be "burglary tools", which can only be carried by "licensed professionals", and arrest anyone found in possession of one without a license. It works so well for lock pick kits...
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." --H.L. Mencken
My motorbike lock uses a flat key, has a master lock style steel laminate construction and hexagonal cross section U bend. It was made in the early 1990s. They knew what made a lock hard to break but it's soooo heavy.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
following complaints that current versions can be picked open with flimsy ballpoint pens...
Those Bic pens are also good for picking noses. How do I know? Mmmm... No comment?
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Still the best way to beat a U-lock. Aside from a lock with insurance and good documentation there isn't final protection. This as been true since the 80's.
Sorry about the writing. Robot fingers, you know? Cliff Steele in DOOM PATROL #23
From TFA (Boston.com):
:)
"This is an extremely big deal. Kryptonite is the Microsoft of locks," said Brown, who estimates hundreds of thousands of the U-locks have been sold over the years. Kryptonite will not divulge sales numbers.
Well, they certainly are more like Microsoft now. Good for them
Thank you Mario! But our princess is in another castle!
I heard about the ease of Kryponite picking back in the mid-nineties. It was in the lockpicking FAQs. There's also an $150 pick that can open most of those barrel (?) type locks. Home (non-institutional) MasterLocks were also easy prey before the 1998 versions. The last number could be determined in seconds and then the rest of numbers would fall into this formula: n1 mod 4 = n2 mod 4 + 2 = n3 mod 4 This reduces 16,000 combinations to 100 (10*10*1) which can be brute forced.
mmmm... once I nullRouted my cAt, at first I thought She didn't likE it but then the sound changed to purring and i knew sh3 too was a fan... and i SMIled??
It is even possible to build these 'unpickable' locks for a small multiple what a standard lock of the same mechanical quality would cost.
You can make it difficult enough that burning or drilling the core, or taking a fire-ax to the door, is much more feasible than any manipulation technique. When the locking mechanism is no longer the weakest link, then it no longer makes sense to spend more on an improved lock.
But jeez, a bic pen and 5 seconds...
"Many in the bike community fear drug addicts and high school pranksters will go wild with Bic pens this weekend, leading to a surge in the crime statistics"
Drug addicts and pranksters have places to go too.
You know, he's probably intending to ride it himself, if he's trying to protect it from theft.
----geppy -
Sincerly,
Clark
I found out about this last week. My roomate didn't believe me, and I was able to open (on my first try, nonetheless) it in under 20 seconds. The next day I told someone at school (who had a really expensive downhill bike) while he was unlocking his bike. He happened to have a Bic pen in his ear at the time (how coincidental). Not believing me (people seem to get pissed when you tell them thier $50 lock is able to be defeated by a 10 cent pen), he tried it himself, only to open the lock up in about 15 seconds.
;)
The biggest problem, is the fact that any properly (wrongly?) sized lock is vulnerable. At work, I was able to open the Pepsi machine we own with a thin highlighter (the Bic was too small, but the highlighter fit perfectly). My manager even let me have a free soda while it was open
Just be responsible with this information; even just opening a lock for fun is illegal in most states.
--- At my sig, unleash hell.
I bought a Kryptonite lock last year, and was hoping to get it replaced under their recall scheme. However, it appears that they require a proof of purchase.
Like I keep all my receipts for the past two years. Arse biscuits. I guess I'll have to buy another lock; but this time I'll avoid Kryptonite.
Tubal-Cain smokes the white owl.
It should be "The Penis Mightier than the Sword"
Online backup with Mozy, sounds like Ozzie, but more!
Great. Now everyone at my university (from /. and my university website) knows how to break into my bike lock and there's little I can do.
I don't work for them. But I've had this lock for a long time and it's great. Their website claims it's immune to the pen trick.
Not quite a dupe, but close. Kensington Locks were found to have the same problem last month.
And the masses cried out, "09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0!"
caveat - IANAL, but I'm reasonably clued up on consumer law
In the UK, the 1979 Sale of Goods Act says that items must be of 'Fit for Purpose' & 'Of Merchantable Quality' (ie it does what it's meant to without breaking). Your contract is with the shop not the end manufacturer, so you are entitled to walk into wherever you purchased it and demand a replacement or your money back. You needn't get fobbed off with claims such as 'take it up with the manufacturer' as your contract's with the shop. Kryponite can't even put a time limit on it as a lock that's opened using a biro's clearly not 'Fit for Purpose'. Any shop that doesn't comply can be reported to the trading standards authority who take a very dim view of people not complying to said act!
Actually, it _might_ be a reference to a SNL skit where they were mocking "Celebrity Jeopardy" and the "Sean Connary" called a category "The Penis Mightier"...
For those interested, it is available in Real or WMF format.
So keep on reloading, Slashdotters! Hundreds, nay - Thousands! - of cyclists' dreams are in your hands!
* Yeah, I know there are mirrors and the Google cache. Yeah, this is a joke.
It's got me wondering if those circular locks on soda, vending and cigarette machines and phone booths are vulnerable to a similar exploit?
ALMOST want to try
Oh, BTW- those "Security" lug nuts on your custom rims can all be undone using a Gator Grip King Gator socket
R(k)
Is that if you anchor yourself to something less durable then a kryptonite lock your screwed. Further adding weight to the old addage: your only as secure as your weakest defense. I owned a kryptonite lock, I got a 400 dollar bike stolen. They didn't need a pen. All they needed was a bolt cutter. Kryptonite = false sense of security.
Here is the original Engadget.com posting that started it all... complete with video.
This was discussed earlier in this article.
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
...one of the most pathetic security exploites I've seen. I used to always lock up my Turner 5 Spot with a Kryptonite. And leave it inattended in campsites for a whole day that way.
The meme police, They live inside of my head
... at least now we can use all these PC case locks we've long since lost the key to.
(won't work on IBM PowerStation series, dang it. flat key. big blue are serious dudes. you've got to bugger the case a bit to get past it.)
In related news, Kryptonite has also come under fire from critics for killing Superman.
I cut the end off a "Bic round stik" (the end cap was welded on) and the pen tube was too small and not stretchy enough to fit into the two U-locks I have, a "Master" brand lock and a 20 year old "Kryptonite 4". These are locks that take the key at the end of the cross tube.
I'll keep an eye out for a plastic tube of the correct diameter and repeat the experiment.
Are there other exploits for the older locks?
Give a man a fish and you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish, and he'll say "WHERE'S MY FISH, YOU IDIOT?"
You can't blame Kryptonite. Those no-good villains at Bic have perpetrated the heinous crime of manufacturing a device that can be used to bypass the Kryptonite security system!
This is a clear DMCA violation if I've ever seen one.
Buy a pen. -- $
Win a free bike. --???
this seems to be another material for redundant Mastercard Priceless commercials.
Let the hamster bite viciously in the foreskin of the thieve.
1)Buy a pen
2)...
3)Profit!!
And then they armed me with moderator points and the world mourned.
MPAA used the govt. to shutdown http://www.321studio.com why can't Kryptonite get the govt. to shutdown BIC for making those pens that allow people to circumvent a security apparatus?
What if I used my ulock to lock my copyrighted book?
http://tinyurl.com/3t236
Dumb thieves go to jail.
Really dumb thieves get a 3rd strike
for stealing a pizza.
1. You can set your preferences to ignore submissions by people that you don't like.
2. The poster appears in the front-page summary. so you can look at that and skip his posts.
3. In this particular article, Mikey did not post any additional commentary, thus proving false your claim that he puts "moronic comments at the end of every summary".
Already posted here a few weeks ago. Where were you dude?
The warranty is only good if the lock is damaged/broken during the theft. If they cut the bike rack, and pick the lock later...no dice. If they pick the lock (BIC pen or whatever), no dice.
Don't get so cocky. Dictatorships are available in new crunchy Right-Wing Flavor (tm) as well.
--grendel drago
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
...a lot of PCs have barrel locks, so woe be unto all you password-protected-BIOS-and-locked-case security nuts!
...you'd NEVER buy a lock like that!!!
It has NO key code. All you need is a circular device to push the spheres off so the center so the lock can open.
I'm from Brazil and I laughed when I bought a lock like that for my bike here in the US. I then told my co-workers around 3 years ago of many ways to open them (not a Bic Pen, though). They laughed, but were scared at my comments.
Why am I not surprised to hear about Kriptonyte locks today on the Internet?
-alexander
A 20lb bike needs a 20lb lock
A 30lb bike needs a 10 lb lock
A 40lb bike needs no lock at all.
This last is not really true, because even the crappiest bikes get stolen regularly. Check any police auction, or StealItBack. Almost all of them are bottom end dept store bikes.
Learning fists of Death to defeat bike theif is not out of the question. Those criminals must be dealt with in harshest of all terms. NO mercy to them, if you steal a bike, you pay a price dearly for each infarction.
I suggest you read Slashdot
Way to blame someone else. You're now a full-blown member of the victim class, and a good Democrat, to boot.
These kryptonite people have yet to switch to firefox.
It was bad enough that you posted a somewhat clunky and not particulrly funny parody of the "this shows slashdot's anti-Microsoft" bias posts that show up now and then.
But the fact that you then felt the need to explain your painfully obvious "joke" in the second paragraph, really takes the cake.
By takes the cake, I mean your information superhighway driver's license is being revoked.
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Kryptonite today announced it will provide free product upgrades for certain locks purchased since September 2002
What they don't mention is that the flaw was first documented in the trade publication "Bicycle Business" magazine in 1992. So they've been knowingly selling defective locks for 12 years since then hoping that this day would never come.
I've got five Krytonite locks:
Two KryptoLok ATB U-Locks, one of which was never taken out of the package.
One KryptoDisco-C motorcycle disc brake lock.
One 6' x 5/8" Kryptonite Flex Security cable lock.
One Kryptonie Flex Security U-Lock.
All of the locks are in very good to new condition and all of them are older than two years old. That means I get no replacement locks from Kryptonite nor do I get any upgrades. I hear tell that I might get coupons for rebates on new Kryptonite locks. But it will be a cold day in hell before I ever buy another Kryptonite product if they don't fix or replace the locks I have at no charge to me.
I am not being unreasonable. A lock, if well-cared for, is a lifetime investment. A well cared for lock that's five years old is no less useful than one which is 1 year old. Why should Kryptonite customers suffer because Kryptonite chose to knowinging, and deceptively, sell a defective product for over a decade? Anyone who bought a Krytonite lock with this flaw since the original article was published in 1992 should get a free upgrade/replacement.
This has been in the mainstream media for at least 4 days. Why is this just now slashdotted?
So yeah. I'm the dude who posted that to bikeforums.net I've been interviewed by.. ok I've lost track, but it made front page of the New York Times today so I guess that counts for something, right? I can uh.. answer any questions you have.
I felt it needed explaining just in case a windows user read it.
Though I must admit, your post was much funnier than mine, especially this part "this shows slashdot's anti-Microsoft" bias posts that show up now and then. That's a good one. Those posts only show up now and then. Someone mod this lady funny.
And as a side note, let me tell you that everything you've heard about Swedish women is absolutely true. I met more tall blonde women there than any other place on the planet. Blonde isn't quite right, though. Not like Marilyn Monroe blonde. It's more like dishwater blonde. And friendly...not like on this side of the world.
And they serve beer with lunch.
Let's see legions of tall blonde friendly women, beer with lunch, you can go like hell on the freeway and free bikes. Is that a great country or what? Throw in free broadband and you'd be right into /. nirvana.
That's our life, the big wheel of shit. - The Fat Man, Blue Tango Salvage
FP to respond to the "dude who posted that to bikeforums.net". Woo-hoo!!!!
Kryptonite's website tells lock owners to come back to their website on Wednesday afternoon (9/22/2004) for an anouncement about their "upgrade program". If it doesn't contain the phrase "completely free", I'm going to be a very unhappy, vocal, ex-customer.
I'd like to see more police sting operations for bicycle theft. They put a nice bike out in a high crime area and videotape/arrest the losers who attempt to steal it. If the bike is worth enough, they can charge the thief with grand larceny, a felony.
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I just leave a big hungry Rottweiler with an attitude problem tied to my bike. It's great because nobody will steal the bike, and when I need that extra boost going up the hills, I yell "Chopper, sic balls!" and point at someone up the street.
When stationed at Kunsan AB korea, circa 1993, the only transportation option open to enlisted people was a bicycle. You could buy one at the base BX for about $100 bucks. For an additional $4.oo dollars, you could buy a chain with a built in combination lock. The biggest problem with the entire system was this.......EVERYONE had the same model bike, and the same chain/lock. You could literally spend a half hour trying to find the bike and chain that belonged to you. This was quite a problem for some of us, untill we learned that with a bit of tension on the lock, and a bit of manual dexterity, you could open any of the locks in about 45 seconds. After that, we all adopted the idea that those of us that had purchased a bike, but couldnt find it anymore, could just go ahead and ride what ever bike was handy. After all, EVERYONE had the same bike and lock, so really...........all bikes were secretly the one you bought. Therefore, if you were able to pick the lock, you were entitled to ride the bike. This Utopia breaks down when you consider that in most cities, not everyone buys the same bike and lock. Therefore, it is incumbent on the government to provide everyone with a bike, thus insuring that there is no need for anyone to steal a bike. I will be putting this idea to my senator soon.....hopefully everyone will have a new bicycle in time for the novemeber elections
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Original post said: "or install a tracking device on your bike" ... ?
OK, I've wanted something like this for a while. (It has to do with a double-locked bike stolen from a library bike rack two blocks from the police station... yeah, it was an irreplaceable bike from when I was sponsored, and yeah, I was naive, and yeah I thought multiple locks and proximity to the police made that location safe enough...)
Is there one that works that doesn't cost $1000? The only way I can guess to make one is to transmit coordinates obtained from a GPS, and since the GPS has to have line-of-site to satellites, it's usefulness when hidden enough not to be noticeable to a thief is questionable.
Dunno if this works against Kryptonite, but here's a tubular lock pick:p roduct=48
http://www.lock-depot.com/Scripts/prodView.asp?id
I use a Brompton folding bike http://bromptonbicycle.co.uk/ and don't use a lock. You don't need a lock when the bike can fit under your office chair. The bike comes with me wherever I go, e.g. underneath the shopping cart as I go grocery shopping, etc. I keep it in the trunk of my (compact) car --in fact, it folds small enough that I can fit my wife's Brompton as well as mine in the trunk-- and if I need to go somewhere were parking is a problem, I can park a few blocks away and zip to my destination on the bike.
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Here's a (coralized) link to my web site showing the bike as it unfolds:
http://dreaming.org.nyud.net:8090/~kwtam/folding/
(as usual, Slashdot has inserted a space into the text...)
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It's not just Kryptonite bike locks that are at risk
Also worth noting is the fact that those locks are as common as dirt on all kinds of other things
About 10 years ago Bicycle magazine did an article on techniques used in NYC for defeating U-locks. They also mentioned that the locks of the time were able to be 'broken' or something using some common item found at any drugstore. Of they never mentioned what it was (because they weren't going to be party to teaching this trick), but I always wondered if it was real, or just something they made up to give their expose that extra kick, a la The National Enquirer.
Anyone know what this item was?
I imagine you'd then sell your new replacement locks on ebay.
It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
kryptonite has some sort of offer where they'll give you up to N dollars if someone steals your bike while secured with their lock (N depends on what model lock you have, but it's at least $1000).
has anyone out there collected on this? my understanding is that the fine print makes it next to impossible to collect.
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see how he uses a spanner to tighten that nut!
A proper lock requires a great deal of effort to force open. In a public place (such as where a bike might be locked up) it's not practical for a thief to force open a difficult lock. There's a good chance someone will notice the thief by the time he's got it open. This pen thing's so easy I doubt anyone would notice. They'd just thing someone was having a little trouble with their own lock. This is going to embolden a lot of casual crooks.
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"Once upon a time, a magic marker was able to defeat the Key2Audio copy protection scheme of older Sony CDs. Now, it has been shown that a Bic pen can easily open several models of Kryptonite U-locks."
Fortunately, the increasing rate of illeteracy and teh subsequent decrease of the amount of circumventing devices such as pens and markers will save us all.
Sincerely,
Pan Tarhei Hosé, PhD.
"Homo sum et cogito ergo odi profanum vulgus et libido."
You know what? I'd bet that at least a couple of people posted /. stories about this right after it broke, and their stories got rejected by /. editors.
Slashdot is beginning to suck.
purchased over the last five years which you never bothered to register,
So it is their fault that YOU didn't register the product ?
Learn to take some personal responsibility for your actions, or lack thereof in this specific case.
First step in your learning process, read Weapons of Mass Delusion: America's Real National Emergency, Chapter 4, "Why Stop The Buck, When You Can Pass It?"
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Which Sweden did you visit?
In the one I live in, taking a bike from the rack outside a train station will get you hauled to court, you can only go 65 on the freeway, blonde comes out of a bottle, the beer you get with lunch is weak and dull and broadband costs an arm and a leg.
I want to go to *your* Sweden!
Thanks!
It's possible you saved me a few thousand bucks and some misery.
The video is a bit grainy: you used the clear plastic type bick biro that shatters? does it only work if the biro is the same size?
This post reminds me of the philosophical question of whether or not true altruism exists. Even if I am performing charitable activities that seem to gain me nothing, one could argue that I am doing it because I like to do it or it makes me happy.
I would imagine in a similar way, you could argue that crime for crimes sake doesn't exist.
I can't believe how expensive broadband is.
So far, I havn't been too impressed with Sweden or the apartment I am living in. After 4 weeks my new apartment is still without furniture, despite me paying 200 kr a month for furniture rental and talking to everyone I can who might have any power over that fact. I'm still sleeping on the floor in the corner of my empty room. Up until a week ago, I didn't even have light/electricity. And the apartment is supposed to have that all included.
Not to mention that it is a three room apartment (it is a family apartment that has been rented out by the studentbostad for students), yet they crammed three Pakistanis into one room, so now I am living with four other people, with no furniture, and no internet access.
If I didn't know any better, I might even think Sweden was a third world country.
A 20 pound bicycle needs a 30 pound lock. A 30 pound bicycle needs a 20 pound lock. A 50 pound bicycle doesn't need a lock. (from a friend of mine).
The pen is mightier than the lock.
Once again a low-tech solution for a high-tech problem. Or, uh, vice versa.
Intolerance for ambiguity is the mark of the authoritarian personality.
"Locks only keep honest people out."
I have an older Kryptonite lock, and I cannot open it with a pen. This is only because the diameter of the barrel lock is slightly larger than the pen. So I dont think it was a case of "lets make cheaper locks", rather a design change lead to a smaller diameter barrell which happens to fit a bic pen perfectly.
I have no doubt that if you could find a pen with a larger diameter, you could pick my lock just as easily. I'm currently looking for an alternative. If my bike gets stolen in the process, I'm going to be looking into that insurance frim Kryptonite --- which was one of the reasons I purchased a lock from them in the first place.
-- john
A tubular pick
Or the web page would be shut down via the DMCA, and everyone tossed in jail for having a pen to write with, as a 'circumvention device'.
Long live analog! ( and free bikes )
---- Booth was a patriot ----
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A friend was looking for a way to get rid of an old bike. Was covered in rust and was ready for the scrap heap.
Rather than spend the effort to take it to the local dump, or get it taken with the local garbage (if its not in a council supplied wheely-bin, it costs extra to take away), she had an idea.
She tied it to a lamppost near her house (used string or an old chain with no lock on it, cant remember). The next morning it had gone.
You can stop thinking that's weird. People steal what they can't get. You were hit by kids who were specifically looking for liqour because they couldn't buy it.
When they saw cash they thought, sure, why not? But everything else is a mess to deal with. You can't explain new toys to the parents and they have serial numbers. You don't have a car to take a TV, you don't know where to fence things... all you want is to get drunk.
Or, you know, injuns.
Take an empty pop can and scrape it against the side walk to create an amount of alluminum 'dust'. You may want to do it at home with a file. In any case, you need a small pile of alluminum dust. The finer grain, the better.
Take the old audio cassette tape and pull out a meter or so of tape. It has to be the brown kind of tape from the 70's. The darker tape doesn't work.
Remove the ink tube from the inside of the Bic pen, and squeeze out the ink.
Mix the ink together with the alluminum dust until you get a sparkly sort of poridge paste. Spread this mixture evenly on the tape.
Wrap the whole meter of treated tape around a single exposed portion of the Kryptonite lock.
Use the lighter to ignite the treated tape. The resulting flare will burn super hot and if you do it right, it can melt through the lock. You may have to repeat this procedure several times. Try not to let any of the buring goop drip on you. The stuff doesn't go out once it gets going properly.
This is of course, total bullshit, but I thought it sounded cool in a spy-film kind of way. Jamming a Bic pen into a lock and wiggling it around seemed rather mundane for a Sunday afternoon. This is my very first post as AC since I don't want to attach false knowledge to my normal posting name.
Cheers!
Off to find a pen...
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Most American adults' bicycles are shiny, new, and used to hang laundry for drying. Occasionally they are used as a makeshift ladder to reach that last 3-liter Pepsi on the garage shelf.
:-p
People in Scandanavian countries, on the other hand, actually use their bicycles, exposing them to dangers such as theft and weather.
I'm sure Stockholm has its crime, but I wandered the streets all night there and never felt the slightest bit unsafe. That doesn't happen here in NYC, where I've lost 4 properly locked bikes. Compare statistics in OUR main city against Stockholm's, and be grateful you're there.
Except during the Winter or when you're on line for liquor
"Society is like a stew. If you don't keep it stirred up, you get a lot of scum on top. " - Edward Abbey
Wishing that there was no crime is about as vain as one can get, and thus funny in this instance. Try reading Paradise Lost. Utopias don't exist and they never will.
And it's not that the glass is half empty or half full, it's the fact that, "...I ordered a cheeseburger" - Gary Larson
make it illegal to buy, sell, trade, manufacture, import or possess a bic pen. Call it the INDUCE2 law.
Then we will all have safe bikes. Kryptonite doesn't need to fix their locks, they just need a stronger lobbying arm. I hear Orrin Hatch and Fritz are suckers for a sob story like this one.
because I have been enjoined by this Holy Office to abandon the false opinion which maintains that the Sun is the centre
"they're obviously not tested well enough," i told him.
In any industry (I'm speaking from automotive), there are three types of failures:
Things you know that you know (legacy failures -- you've already designed your product around these failures)
Things you know that you don't know (and will test before production)
Things you don't know that you don't know (and therefore how can you test for these failures?)
WTF PEOPLE!!
This isn't a "known caveat", this is gross neglience on the part of a manufacturer.
While this is certainly something that lock manufacturers need to deal with, everyone needs to also keep one simple idea in mind.
The purpose of a lock is to keep honest and semi-honest people from taking your stuff. If someone is damned and determined to take your bike, he's going to get it, regardless of what lock you use.
People like you are totally missing the point. This is like an airbag company making airbags that don't work 90% of the time! Sure it's a better idea never to get in an accident, but that's not the frickin point.
The point is kryptonite's locks are billed as "highly secure". They are not. This has been known in select circles (and kryptonite was informed) since at least 1992, yet the manufacturer has done nothing with that information to fix the problem.
I also have to nod in agreement with an earlier poster who pointed out that for the price of a fancy lock, you can get a bike that no one wants to steal.
This is total nonsense. Increbile POS bikes get stolen all the time, see my post about my friend's bike.
Life is too short to proofread.
The pen is mightier than the bolt cutters.
One day a few years ago while standing on a street in NYC, we saw a homeless guy walk up to one of those expensive mountain bikes that was locked to a sign post, and he picked up the middle section of a police barrier (the wooden part, not the plastic leg parts) and just stuck it in the opening of the lock, gave it a shove, gave it another shove, the lock popped open, he hopped on the bike, and rode off with it, while we stared in disbelief. We were far enough away from him where we wouldn't be able to catch him if we tried, and he would have been riding away from us into 2nd Avenue traffic near the 59 St. bridge, (and we were working), and the casual, practiced way in which he did it didn't give him away to others walking by, although his clothing should have given him away since he was sitting on a very expensive mountain bike, but they just weren't paying attention to details.
So the moral is, with any long object (pole, wooden barrier common on city streets, anything long and having a decent amount of strength) and a little leverage, kryptonite locks are a joke to open. If the problem with the pens can be fixed, then perhaps a combination of the kryptonite lock, a heavy steel chain, an American Steel lock for the chain (don't joke yourselves, I've seen locksmiths open American Steel locks in under 5 seconds), and maybe some other lock/chain combo, then a cheap bike might be safe. An expensive bike? Don't let it out of your site for even a second. Keep it home, and use a throwaway bike (one you don't care about and is inexpensive/old) for situations where you can't watch it. That's what most people do in metropolitan areas who take the train to work, if they drive to the train station, they keep an old, beat up car just to drive to the station, so they don't have to worry about, or explain to an insurance company why just the frame is left of their car, if the frame is even there. It costs more in insuring a second car, but the increased insurance after a stolen car (or three), and the devastation of having a car stolen is a road you don't want to go down. From someone who's family has had one vehicle stolen once (recovered ourselves without police help) a second vehicle stolen twice (recovered ourselves without police help), and one stolen and never recovered, over a period of about 30 years.
I incorrectly attributed the 1992 article to "Bicycle Business" magazine. The article actually appeared in "New Cyclist" and was written by John Stuart Clark, who now works for "Bicycle Business" magazine. Sorry for the error.
Seriously, here in the Netherlands you also have to look after your bike, and I've never seen a lock like that, i.e. with that kind of mechanism. For some info on good and bad locks see http://www.vandermeer-fietsplus.nl/nieuw/pagina_ac cessoires/fietsslot.html
(bablefish anyone?) No, I'm not affiliated, and I keep my Koga-Miyata indoors while not riding it.
opened on First try, I got my APC kryptonite laptop cable lock opened in 20sec on my first try.
need to go get a new locl for my bike.
Twitter, you're a petulant cock-gobbling sycophant to Linux Torvaldyos! Quit taking DP from ESR and RMS's feculent cocks and why don't you try to stop sucking quite so much? Get out of your parents' basement and see the real world - maybe then you'll see how pathetic you sound, with your neverending stream of bullshit about how Microsoft is stalking you. Wasn't it you who said that Microsoft believes your insane ranting is actually a threat to them, so they PAY PEOPLE to reply to you on Slashdot? No sir, I don't get any money. I do it for the love. Someone has to go up against your paranoid whining. So get back in your cage and shut the fuck up already.
1. Share price of BIC will probably go up and Kryptonite go down
2. Does the box of skeleton keys at Kryptonite include a BIC pen?
Sure---any Communist nation. Cuba, North Korea, China, the former Soviet Union and its satellite states.
The political 'spectrum' is more of a circle. Farthest left and farthest right meet in a fusion of totalitarianism. Because what they want, even more than their own ideologies, is control. And that's what dictatorships are about.
--grendel drago
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
antiNat, Yours is classic blame the victim reasoning - downright "unAmerican" to this PDXer
:-)
I don't know that they require registration for their proposed compensation, but I know the weasling ways of American corporations.
I have NO responsibility to register a bike lock, and the lock should be warrantied to function as a lock regardless of where a little yellow card is in the universe.
I suggested a class action law suit because the proposed response (an opportunity to buy a new product from the company that sold the defective product) seems like such a classic corporate weasel.
However, I'm willing to wait a few days to see what the official response is before I call a lawyer.
I take full personal responsibility for my actions, and expect nothing less (and in fact MUCH more) from the non-persons we call corporations.
If they don't take responsibility, well that's what law suits for and thank God for it.
How many days will it take to get the patch for this?
Hopefully less time than the recently patched 5-year-old Mozilla bug.
>need to go get a new locl for my bike.
Time to get some Bic pens.
Intolerance for ambiguity is the mark of the authoritarian personality.
September 14th, eh?
How about Jun 23rd.
That's June 23rd, _1993_
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How do you tell a neutrino from a free meson? The neutrino doesn't know the secret handshake.
Compare statistics in OUR main city against Stockholm's, and be grateful you're there.
:-p ...or when you want some excitement. Imagine, four people on a balcony in Stockholm having a Crayfish Party (don't ask - it involves crayfish and vodka) singing drunken songs and the neighbors COMPLAINED to the police! Sheesh. Never would have happened in NYC.
Except during the Winter or when you're on line for liquor
Seriously, I've wandered the streets of Stockholm at 2AM myself and felt safe, but I've also wandered the streets of Manhattan at 2AM and felt safe, too. NYC (at least Manhattan) does not deserve its bad reputation for safety. To get back on topic though - your bicycle will definately get stolen in NY and if they can't get the whole thing they will take parts as I know from experience.
Manhattan at 2AM
:-|
Yep, reputation definitely undeserved, but how about a nice hike down Ave. D or through East NY at that hour?
I've had 4 bicycles stolen in NYC, all properly locked and left for a short time in broad daylight
"Society is like a stew. If you don't keep it stirred up, you get a lot of scum on top. " - Edward Abbey
At least some suburban areas of Switzerland, to name a few. I have personally seen unlocked motorcycles with keys in them, not to mention cars with windows and sometimes even doors (sic) wide open to avoid overheating in Sun light. I think it was around 1991 somewhere near Interlaken. I've never been to Switzerland since then. The temptation to steal was just too high. I have actually developed symptoms of kleptomania. This is a great place to live, if you have strong will. And it's beautiful too. I will never forget the sight of Jungfrau.
Sincerely,
Pan Tarhei Hosé, PhD.
"Homo sum et cogito ergo odi profanum vulgus et libido."
A graduate from Ohio State, a graduate from Michigan, and a pig were in the hospital waiting room, each awaiting the birth of his first child. Suddenly, the lights went out. Power was restored after a few minutes and the head nurse made her way to the waiting room.
"I've got good news and bad news, gentlemen and pig," she announced. "Despite the electrical outage, two healthy boys and one healthy piglet have been delivered. However, since the lights went out at the most inopportune time, we aren't
sure which first-born belongs to whom. The only way we know to resolve the problem is to draw straws and have the winner choose first."
The three proud papas agreed and the Ohio State grad won the drawing. He was escorted into the delivery room and looked at the three newborns for a painstakingly long time.
Finally, with head bowed, he scooped up the piglet and headed for the door.
"Sir, are you quite certain that you've made the right choice," the nurse asked.
"No, I'm not," replied the Buckeye. "But I just couldn't run the risk of ending up with the Michigan kid."
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(Now, now, damp your flames. I and my family have racked up over a dozen degrees from OSU. I know whereof I speak.)
I have seen a similar thing in Switzerland. After I did my business, I took the money and walked back out into the crowded square, but then when I realised what I had done, I was crying all the way to the bank. Speaking about Copenhagen, though, I have not seen any money lying around there (and trust me, I was looking very carefully), but I have seen public bikes on the street, locked like shopping carts, which I could unlock with a coin and ride all town, only to lock it again and get my coin back anywhere else, in some other part of Copenhagen. I thought it was realy a great idea, even though those bikes was kind of spartan, with hard, full tires without air which together with at least equally hard sits made me call them Model Marquis de Sade 1985. But would it be possible in Detroit, I ask you? I don't think so. I am sure someone would shoot me in no time just to steal my coin from the bike lock. Sad, really sad.
Sincerely,
Pan Tarhei Hosé, PhD.
"Homo sum et cogito ergo odi profanum vulgus et libido."
So, people will not want more, if no one has more than them? (Hint: Bill Gates.)
Sincerely,
Pan Tarhei Hosé, PhD.
"Homo sum et cogito ergo odi profanum vulgus et libido."
Maybe not necessarily "licensed professionals," but I would personally arrest anyone who is illiterate found in possession of a pen. Seriously. It would catch at least some thiefs and would not harm any intelligent person, so this is not as funny as it might seem.
Sincerely,
Pan Tarhei Hosé, PhD.
"Homo sum et cogito ergo odi profanum vulgus et libido."
East New York is actually in Brooklyn.
Doesn't change the point you were making, though.
No kidding, so am I =)
"Society is like a stew. If you don't keep it stirred up, you get a lot of scum on top. " - Edward Abbey
Nothing new about this story, these kryptonite locks have been broken for years in the UK by using a simple car jack. The lock can't stand the pressure applied to it and from behind it even looks like you are pumping your tyres.
You basically need a GPS receiver and a small cellphone. GPS receivers (bare-bones) can be bought from Garmin and other manufacturers very cheaply - some are the size of a book of matches. Most output their data as a serial stream, generally RS-232 or some other wire protocol (sometimes USB, sometime bit-bang). If you want to make it easy on yourself, get one that does RS-232.
Then you need to find a relatively recent model cellphone (the more recent, the better - as the internals are smaller), and tear it down and figure out how to interface the serial stream from the GPS receiver to the cellphone. You will probably want to do some investigation first on this end, reviewing phones which are easily hackable for this kind of application (many phones have a way to get data in and out of them - what you are looking for is how to program the phone - ie, development kits, etc - to custom create an application for the phone).
Once you have the phone and the GPS unit (total cost should be well under $200.00 - much less if you shop yard sales for older phones - the GPS unit should only cost $50-100.00), and you have them hooked together, you would need to develop an application that can poll the GPS data stream, and dial a number to send that data to - to pinpoint the location. So, you are going to have a monthly recurring cost for the cellphone, of course. You will also need a phone line to recieve the data - or, if you can figure out another scheme and can code/hack the phone for it - send audio data to the voicemail box of the cellphone (so if the bike gets stolen, you can just call the voicemail box and retrieve the information at your leisure).
Once you have all of that working and verified, then you need to take the phone apart, and hide the parts (and antennas) in and on the bike. Most of it could probably be hidden under the seat. Other places would be in a "fake" headlight or taillight assembly, or a fake waterbottle could easily hold the entire thing (antennas and all!) - heh, there is a business - build these things very small, put inside fake water bottles, and sell them to bicyclists. Charge $1000.00...
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DC Comics filed suit alleging infringement, unfair competition and dilution of the trademark, as well as state law claims that Kryptonite Corp. was using kryptonite and other words containing "krypto" to confuse consumers into believing there was a connection between its products and the Superman legend.
The judge ruled against a summary judgment motion, which means that DC does make a case that should be allowed to go to trial.