That is true for BT in their regulated businesses. I work for the unregulated side in the States (Thank God)...We're swinging free hear baby! I actually hate it when I have to call the regulated bloatship in the UK. The chaps are nice enough, but the procedural crap one has to go through to get something done is a nightmare. Cheers.
I did not. To this day I sometimes make little Run Logan Run! jokes. People always think it's from Forrest Gump. Since Stargate was a movie first & then a TV series, which of the two do you think is better? In my case, I thought that the movies were better in both cases.
Damn! What the hell is the name of that book (Hienlen, I think) aobut life that evolves on a pulsar in our own solar system. They go from pre-historic to way faster than FTL in bout 150 of our years. Eventually they "go away" at the end of the book.
Actually that is not just limited to Verizon. Those office techs are nothing but cost to the Verizon's, Sprint/s & MCI's of the world. AT&T has a huge multi-story building in Sacremento. Exactly 2 techs are responsible for it & they have to be dispatched from another location.
My own company had a meeting with Level 3 a little while ago. They head Level 3 guy made a little joke that ended with "just send us money". He was, indeed, a little bit serious.
ummm no. The railroads had thier own internal networks Also most large power concerns did this as well. Since they already had the rights of way, this was a "free" way for them to monitor their own "netowrks" (rail & power lines). USWest (now Qwest) was the first RBOC to lease that "right of way" from a railroad & run fiber alongside the tracks. The largest owner of "railway fiber: nowadays is Level 3. They got most of it from MCI/Worldcomm.
The backbone will be fine. As an example, my company recenlty negotiated a OC-192 with Verizon at the Broad St Telecom Hotel in NYC. They waived the 24000 install fee & all maint fees for 2 years. That breaks down to less than 1000 per OC-N. Why did they do it? Becuase off all of the dark fiber that they & other facilities based carries have in the CONUS. Teh problem, as always, will be the last mile. In this case the B/W issue will be solved.
The time it takes them to get to YOUR house will be a bitch.
I for one use my Earthlink DSL primarily for playing Q3. As I live just south of Atlanta, & there are several hosted Q3 severs in the Metro area, a 40ms ping is not uncommon. A geosynchronous satellite link will add, as a minimun, a 2000ms (as in almost 1 second up & then 1 second back down) delay that is inherent in RF propagation of such distances. That is unacceptable.
Yes, this is true. I work in the Telecom industry & I noticed that about 4 years ago, Ma Bell-that old crafty gal, is picking herself up again.
Also AT&T & Sprint both own large local (as in last mile) foogtprints. (in New York city, AT&T local has almost twice the local access of the regional incunbent, Verizon). But, "lovswr" you say, "were not the long distance companies (AT&T proper, MCI, & Sprint) specifically prevented from owning local access?" Yes. Since I actually worked for Sprint in the past, I know the details of that situation. I'm sure that AT&T & MCI did similar things.
The company that we call Sprint has for the last 7 to 8 years or so has, in fact, been nothing more than a marketing entity. Their legal corparate name is United Telephone Company. UTC was & is a local provider, operating primarly in Southern Florida, Las Vegas & parts of Kansas (the worldwide Sprint HQ is in Kansas City...Esrey spent hundreds of millions upgrading the campus (the Sprint University is also there) just before the ill-decided attempt to merge with Wordlcom...yes I & many other ex-employees have a ax to grind with the shiester ex-CEO as he stood to gain almost 2 billion alone if that merger had gone through.
UTC bought Sprint in some kind of wierd reverse merger. I say wierd becuase Sprint gave UTC the money to buy themselves. Then Esrey, being the largest shareholder installed himself, Ron Lemay, & the rest of the old Sprint board into the same positions at UTC. You would think that the Long Distance & local parts , both ostensibly being "Sprint", management would have tried to leverage this to a competitave advantage. BZZZZZZZZZT! Other than US Worst, Sprint Local was horrible to deal with. Of course the fact that they were union & we were not had something to do with it, but a little common sense (which as you might suspect, is very short at most large Telecoms) was basically against all that was good & Holy(tm).
As to Bellsouth, Qwest, SBC, & Verizon. They are in fact the incarnations of the original 6 RBOC's (Regional Bell Operating Companies) minus AT&T Canada (now Allstream) & Bellabs (formerly Lucent, & now Agilent...All the telcoms keep changing their names in hopes that people forget what "horrible" companies they really are).
The original big 6 were Bellsotuh, Bell Atlantic, Pacbel, Southwestern Bell, & Ameritech. Southwestern Bell morphed into SBC & then bought Pacbel & then they got Ameritech too. So there we have half of Ma Bell back together.
Verizon is the unholy meeting of Bell Atlantic, Nynex (the worst telephone company in N. America, bar none..Ok except maybe for Navaho Tel) a little bit of SNET (Southern New England Telephone) & the long distance part of GTE.
Qwest is the stillborn child of International player Qwest & the smallest of the original 6, US West. US West had the largest physical home territory, & the worst facilites. However, in thier defense, you try maintaing a CO that can only be approached by a half-day's foot march in the Rockies.
That leaves Bellsouth standing alone & boy did they not take the cheese. (Bellsouth has been trying to merge with Sprint, Worldcom before MCI, MCI or one of the other remaings RBOC's so often that nobody in the industry pays much attention to the rumors anymore. Hell BS actually had talks with France Telcom!)
Basically, Ma Bell is getting back together & our eyes are wide shut. Local toll quality (what the hell does that mean anyway) VOIP may be the last hope. Otherwise, in 3 to 5 years, there will be a defacto national monopoly on residential voice service in the continetal US.
I wanted to suggest the DRMO but I just could not remember those damn initials. BAck in 91' when I was stationed in the Deutschelande, we (367th Signal Company) got to evaluate the then top of the line Hp & Tektronix 'scopes. We ended up keeping them both. they were about 40,000 US then (if memory serves) & I would imagine that the DRMO must have ample supply of those & similar such beasts. As an aside we also got a top of the line HP FM generator. Since we were on top of a mountain the implulse to jam AFN (at O' dark-thirty on a Saturday night) was irresistable.
Tbone I thought this only happened in Georgia. What I want to know is, why did my property taxes go up almost 40% last year. The teachers did not get a raise, as that is one of the major issues this year. So what gives!?!?!?!
Teh Winnah! As an employee of a major global telecommunications playah' (no, not AT&T but we are literally right behind them) I can assure you that the goal is by the bit pricing.
I thought I was the only person who saw the version of the "Two Towers"..I actually went to school the next day singing that song....Where's there's a whip...LOL
hmmmm I actually work for BT North America. This would be almost impossible (almost:)) First, in order to get to the management system to get there, you need to go through 3 password gateways,,,then once you reach the actual ADM you must have the correct level of access (this last one..level of access is very tightly controlled, at least here in the states). Furthermore,,the ADM keeps a rolling log of who (by password name) got in & every single command they issue...I assume that you could do it, if determined enough, but it would not do as much damage as has been implied (at least to the BT network)
I too, worked for Chairman Bill (Esrey that is). I was at the PLSC in Atlanta. They really bet the company on ION (Integrated On Demand) It did actually work, but was completely doomed because it depended on the last mile providers (read at that time, the 4 remaining RBOCs's).
As an aside..There were 5 RBOC's created when AT&T was forced to break up. Now there are four. 1.SBC (Ameritech/Pacbell* parts of the old SWB) 2. Qwest (USWest & the other parts of SWB) 3. Bellsouth (a little bit of GTE) 4 Verizon (Nynex, Atlantic Bell, & the rest of GTE). Those 4 are dying to merge down to two. Seems like Ma Bell was just down, but not for the count
OQ I think your are looking at this the wrong way. All the Backbone stuff is in the ground. Yes we have more land (in the US) between homes than Japan but that would be a neglible cost. Why don't WE have 100MBS drops into OUR kitchens? A Linksys router would terminate that just fine
b.foster...your my hero!!
Tell me..What do you think of MPLS &/or free-space optics in the last mile. Also can you comment on the following;
As I believe an affordable solution to the last mile will be had via technology, the RBOC's (they will be on their last gasp) will use their political power to stop any significant last mile changes.
Did you happen to use your bank card, or write a check, or use your credit card yesterday, today, or even into the forseeable future. X.25 is here & it's not going anywhere, anytime soon. The financial community loves it too much. I used to work for Sprint, on the X.25 maint team. You would not believe ow much X.25 (& X.21 too) is still out there.
Actully, In your area no matter who YOU pay to bell too it is in fact Verizon that owns that slc & Co where the DSLAM/Gateway router is. In the Midwest it all Ameritech, in the South Bellsouth, etc...
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Ok..that should be...get your boots jacked....that's what I get for posting @werk :)
Before you spelling Nazi's boots jacked, I used the wrong "here" (as a pun, if you will) on purpose.
That is true for BT in their regulated businesses. I work for the unregulated side in the States (Thank God)...We're swinging free hear baby! I actually hate it when I have to call the regulated bloatship in the UK. The chaps are nice enough, but the procedural crap one has to go through to get something done is a nightmare. Cheers.
I did not. To this day I sometimes make little Run Logan Run! jokes. People always think it's from Forrest Gump. Since Stargate was a movie first & then a TV series, which of the two do you think is better? In my case, I thought that the movies were better in both cases.
Damn! What the hell is the name of that book (Hienlen, I think) aobut life that evolves on a pulsar in our own solar system. They go from pre-historic to way faster than FTL in bout 150 of our years. Eventually they "go away" at the end of the book.
Actually that is not just limited to Verizon. Those office techs are nothing but cost to the Verizon's, Sprint/s & MCI's of the world. AT&T has a huge multi-story building in Sacremento. Exactly 2 techs are responsible for it & they have to be dispatched from another location. My own company had a meeting with Level 3 a little while ago. They head Level 3 guy made a little joke that ended with "just send us money". He was, indeed, a little bit serious.
ummm no. The railroads had thier own internal networks Also most large power concerns did this as well. Since they already had the rights of way, this was a "free" way for them to monitor their own "netowrks" (rail & power lines). USWest (now Qwest) was the first RBOC to lease that "right of way" from a railroad & run fiber alongside the tracks. The largest owner of "railway fiber: nowadays is Level 3. They got most of it from MCI/Worldcomm.
The backbone will be fine. As an example, my company recenlty negotiated a OC-192 with Verizon at the Broad St Telecom Hotel in NYC. They waived the 24000 install fee & all maint fees for 2 years. That breaks down to less than 1000 per OC-N. Why did they do it? Becuase off all of the dark fiber that they & other facilities based carries have in the CONUS. Teh problem, as always, will be the last mile. In this case the B/W issue will be solved. The time it takes them to get to YOUR house will be a bitch.
A quote from BDP, "MY Philosophy" on /. ?!?!?!?
I don't know if I should laugh or cry
You know I work for Bt (the Global part based in the states). Andy is betting the whole company on ICT!
Ok..who stole all my carriage returns...
I for one use my Earthlink DSL primarily for playing Q3. As I live just south of Atlanta, & there are several hosted Q3 severs in the Metro area, a 40ms ping is not uncommon. A geosynchronous satellite link will add, as a minimun, a 2000ms (as in almost 1 second up & then 1 second back down) delay that is inherent in RF propagation of such distances. That is unacceptable.
Yes, this is true. I work in the Telecom industry & I noticed that about 4 years ago, Ma Bell-that old crafty gal, is picking herself up again. Also AT&T & Sprint both own large local (as in last mile) foogtprints. (in New York city, AT&T local has almost twice the local access of the regional incunbent, Verizon). But, "lovswr" you say, "were not the long distance companies (AT&T proper, MCI, & Sprint) specifically prevented from owning local access?" Yes. Since I actually worked for Sprint in the past, I know the details of that situation. I'm sure that AT&T & MCI did similar things. The company that we call Sprint has for the last 7 to 8 years or so has, in fact, been nothing more than a marketing entity. Their legal corparate name is United Telephone Company. UTC was & is a local provider, operating primarly in Southern Florida, Las Vegas & parts of Kansas (the worldwide Sprint HQ is in Kansas City...Esrey spent hundreds of millions upgrading the campus (the Sprint University is also there) just before the ill-decided attempt to merge with Wordlcom...yes I & many other ex-employees have a ax to grind with the shiester ex-CEO as he stood to gain almost 2 billion alone if that merger had gone through. UTC bought Sprint in some kind of wierd reverse merger. I say wierd becuase Sprint gave UTC the money to buy themselves. Then Esrey, being the largest shareholder installed himself, Ron Lemay, & the rest of the old Sprint board into the same positions at UTC. You would think that the Long Distance & local parts , both ostensibly being "Sprint", management would have tried to leverage this to a competitave advantage. BZZZZZZZZZT! Other than US Worst, Sprint Local was horrible to deal with. Of course the fact that they were union & we were not had something to do with it, but a little common sense (which as you might suspect, is very short at most large Telecoms) was basically against all that was good & Holy(tm). As to Bellsouth, Qwest, SBC, & Verizon. They are in fact the incarnations of the original 6 RBOC's (Regional Bell Operating Companies) minus AT&T Canada (now Allstream) & Bellabs (formerly Lucent, & now Agilent...All the telcoms keep changing their names in hopes that people forget what "horrible" companies they really are). The original big 6 were Bellsotuh, Bell Atlantic, Pacbel, Southwestern Bell, & Ameritech. Southwestern Bell morphed into SBC & then bought Pacbel & then they got Ameritech too. So there we have half of Ma Bell back together. Verizon is the unholy meeting of Bell Atlantic, Nynex (the worst telephone company in N. America, bar none..Ok except maybe for Navaho Tel) a little bit of SNET (Southern New England Telephone) & the long distance part of GTE. Qwest is the stillborn child of International player Qwest & the smallest of the original 6, US West. US West had the largest physical home territory, & the worst facilites. However, in thier defense, you try maintaing a CO that can only be approached by a half-day's foot march in the Rockies. That leaves Bellsouth standing alone & boy did they not take the cheese. (Bellsouth has been trying to merge with Sprint, Worldcom before MCI, MCI or one of the other remaings RBOC's so often that nobody in the industry pays much attention to the rumors anymore. Hell BS actually had talks with France Telcom!) Basically, Ma Bell is getting back together & our eyes are wide shut. Local toll quality (what the hell does that mean anyway) VOIP may be the last hope. Otherwise, in 3 to 5 years, there will be a defacto national monopoly on residential voice service in the continetal US.
I wanted to suggest the DRMO but I just could not remember those damn initials. BAck in 91' when I was stationed in the Deutschelande, we (367th Signal Company) got to evaluate the then top of the line Hp & Tektronix 'scopes. We ended up keeping them both. they were about 40,000 US then (if memory serves) & I would imagine that the DRMO must have ample supply of those & similar such beasts. As an aside we also got a top of the line HP FM generator. Since we were on top of a mountain the implulse to jam AFN (at O' dark-thirty on a Saturday night) was irresistable.
Tbone I thought this only happened in Georgia. What I want to know is, why did my property taxes go up almost 40% last year. The teachers did not get a raise, as that is one of the major issues this year. So what gives!?!?!?!
You know, it is odd that Sony (Beta) & JVC (VHS) are on the same side this time.
Could you elaborate on your BT comment please. I work for BT here in the states & would like more info on how we are in the 'home market'
Teh Winnah! As an employee of a major global telecommunications playah' (no, not AT&T but we are literally right behind them) I can assure you that the goal is by the bit pricing.
I thought I was the only person who saw the version of the "Two Towers"..I actually went to school the next day singing that song....Where's there's a whip...LOL
hmmmm I actually work for BT North America. This would be almost impossible (almost :)) First, in order to get to the management system to get there, you need to go through 3 password gateways,,,then once you reach the actual ADM you must have the correct level of access (this last one..level of access is very tightly controlled, at least here in the states). Furthermore,,the ADM keeps a rolling log of who (by password name) got in & every single command they issue...I assume that you could do it, if determined enough, but it would not do as much damage as has been implied (at least to the BT network)
I too, worked for Chairman Bill (Esrey that is). I was at the PLSC in Atlanta. They really bet the company on ION (Integrated On Demand) It did actually work, but was completely doomed because it depended on the last mile providers (read at that time, the 4 remaining RBOCs's).
As an aside..There were 5 RBOC's created when AT&T was forced to break up. Now there are four. 1.SBC (Ameritech/Pacbell* parts of the old SWB) 2. Qwest (USWest & the other parts of SWB) 3. Bellsouth (a little bit of GTE) 4 Verizon (Nynex, Atlantic Bell, & the rest of GTE). Those 4 are dying to merge down to two. Seems like Ma Bell was just down, but not for the count
OQ I think your are looking at this the wrong way. All the Backbone stuff is in the ground. Yes we have more land (in the US) between homes than Japan but that would be a neglible cost. Why don't WE have 100MBS drops into OUR kitchens? A Linksys router would terminate that just fine
b.foster...your my hero!! Tell me..What do you think of MPLS &/or free-space optics in the last mile. Also can you comment on the following; As I believe an affordable solution to the last mile will be had via technology, the RBOC's (they will be on their last gasp) will use their political power to stop any significant last mile changes.
Did you happen to use your bank card, or write a check, or use your credit card yesterday, today, or even into the forseeable future. X.25 is here & it's not going anywhere, anytime soon. The financial community loves it too much. I used to work for Sprint, on the X.25 maint team. You would not believe ow much X.25 (& X.21 too) is still out there.
Actully, In your area no matter who YOU pay to bell too it is in fact Verizon that owns that slc & Co where the DSLAM/Gateway router is. In the Midwest it all Ameritech, in the South Bellsouth, etc...