Then, there's the fact that Linux remains rather rudimentary. At least compared to a highly polished GUI like Mac OS 9.0
Strange, I find MacOS to be annoying and generally a drain on my productivity. I really like WindowMaker and the command line.
Even the graphical assistants in Gnome are confusing, I clicked on/dev the other day and nothing even remotely resembling a drive appeared (dev1a?)
As an aside, would you expect/dev/hda1 to be represented as a HD Icon in gnome's gmc? I wouldn't as this seems more confusing./dev/hda1 is a block device, not a drive. If for instance most distro's have/dev/hda[1-9] wouldn't a newbie find it more confusing to look in the/dev directory and panic that linux has detected phantom harddrives, rather than unused block devices.
I'm happily playing CivCTP right now. It's a pretty recent and interesting game. Also I can't wait to get Railroad Tycoon. Addtionally, when i first got CivCTP it crashed regularly after 1 hour of play. I emailed loki and they sent me a beta patch the next day. The finished patch came out a few days later. Never have I received such attention when I've had difficulty with a game for the windows/Mac/Console platform.
The beauty of linux is that due to the community standards/practices companies really need to embrace us (the community) or be ignored.
If you are against Linux, why read slashdot? This is not meant as an insult, but rather as an eye-opener. You are obviously here for a reason, I'd suggest picking up a cheap Linux cd from cheap bytes and see what you're missing.
I've been using Debian PPC for a few months...
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I saw a post on list.debian.org from the PPC mailing list with install instructions. Basically you need to install linuxppc first, then dump the debian base2_2.tar.gz file on top of it after alot of tweaking you can run apt and install the rest of the system.
It is very usable, but a little more behind then the other platforms package wise. feel free to email me if you have any questions: mcorde61@maine.edu
yes, I know some people have ungodly sized monitors, and a rarer few have a good quality sound system hooked up to their puter...
Man, 15 inches is very small these days. I'm a rather poor college kid and even I was able to fork over the $500 for a 19" monitor and good sound (120 watt (?) boston acustics speakers and sub-woofer) I think this is much more common these days, then a crappy 13"/15" monitor and sb16.
Before reading the article, I was terrified that the Palm's would be fruity colors like another popular computer system. I'm so relieved and overjoyed to hear the screen will be colorized, but they will not follow Apples marketing strategy. What I really want to know is when will my Palm Pilot be as useful as a Startrek tricorder/phaser? *sign* One can dream.
The article really sounded as though there is a pressing need to support Java better on Linux machines, but for some reason I thought the general feeling among Linux users was that Java is slow and not really as useful as traditional programming languages.
I'm wondering if anyone out there uses Java for something useful. Perhaps I sound naive, but I've never seen it deployed beyond annoying applets or slow as molasses games in COS246 (Java Programming) And java support in Netscape seems to be lacking to put it nicely.
I've done some reading about servlets and Jserver pages which seem quite interesting. Does anyone have any experience with them or experience with gnu-jsp?
Is that one of the Pentiums with the arithmetic bug?
Nope.
How did you get treated on that?
Pretty good I think.
Are you running Windows 98 Special Edition, or the long-lasting W2K beta? How were you treated on that?
Pardon? I'm running Linux silly, (psst. This is Slashdot)
I don't understand your argument. If i pre-ordered a machine, be it G4 or a Pentium, and I was treated the way that Apple is now treating people I would seriously think about jumping ship and joing the competitor. My computer AFAIK is not affected by any current Manufacturer defects, etc, but if it was I sure as hell would be wary of purchasing another machine from the same vendor.
Plus, Mac users are overwhelmingly happy with their computers. That counts for a lot.
Do you have any proof to back that one up? I'm guessing not. The statement is so vague as to be devoid of meaning. Mac users (who, all of them? ) are happier with their computers (than who? Toaster owners? Horseback riders?)
I'm sorry, I'm not trying to aggrivate you or start a holy war. I really think Macintosh is a good company and in the very least a competitor to MS. I just think that corporations in general need to realize that people will only stand for so much before they join the enemy's ranks.
Don't users of the MacOS realize how poorly their being treated here? I would think yes, but where I work the Mac guys drool so long as the box says G4. The name means more to them than the specs or the politics.
I'd like to trade up from my Pentium, but I won't choose an Apple box for some time due to policies like these.
Anyone what effect this is having on the num of new macs purchased? macintosh stock?
Where I work there are the Mac user and those (everyone else) who laugh at Apple's blunders. I wish apple didn't make it so easy.
I'd like to moderate the Article down, please. If similiar blathering was a post from an AC it would immediately be marked at flamebait/worthless/etc. I'm going a step further than the usual moderation and giving that Page, a rating of "-1 Lame/Un-interisting/Waste of Electrons".
Slashdot is usually very good about posting interesting/thought provoking and often wacky stories. This article was none of those. For any of you who did not read the article, here is a synopsis:
Q: When will it be my turn to be rich?
A: Never.
Q: Never? Why is that?
A: That's the way it goes.
I can't believe good old Mike Cassidy gets paid for this drivel. On the plus side he does kinda look like the Norton Utilities Guy:)
Hemos, you're welcome to come live in my dorm room. Your choice of the bathtub or curled up under my desk. Either way I'll think we're gonna have a great time.
For the record, I doubt you were compiling a kernel & cd-ripping at the same time
I'm a little confused. On my p2-450 cd-ripping (cdparanoia) only takes about 15% of my cpu time (via the highly accurate:) top). If I do that and compile a kernel I have plenty of free cycles to play even intense games (quake, q2, etc)
What kind of computer do you have? Just running three apps at once is hardly a test ot Linux's multi-tasking.
Granted it might be possible inside X, but I'd like to know your configuration so I could update mine
Why would X matter? wouldn't just using multiple virtual teminals (or running processes in the background)require less memory? If ypou want config help, feel free to email me at mcorde61@maine.edu. I'm always happy to help.
How strange. I find Debian very easy. Unlike the other distro's alot is automated for you. 'update-menus' leaps to mind. No other distro that I'm aware of has such a nice menu system. Debian is all about rigorous standards and management systems. Redhat, my former distro, seems to be less concerned with uniformity (e.g. gnome menus/kde menus/etc)
The microsoft guy (Wilkinson)had this to say: "IDC figures show Linux comprised just 3.5 per cent of PC server shipments last year."
I don't understand how this can be a valuable statistic as the majority of people I know bought a machine with some other operating system installed only to have replaced it with linux.
Does anyone else think that Linux is great because it is so similiar to Unix? I certainly do.
Do you worry about the safety of that? In the past potato has had a few bad packages(bash/readline and now slang1), I trust you are either using stable (slink) or are very brave.
Also, some packages have an interactive install, how do you get around that in a cron job? Please tell me you don't use apt's option to automatically assume yes... as this seems ridiculously dangerous.
I was playing Doom, Quake, Civ, & Mame while all you fools were recompiling your kernels on your 486 for the weekend. I'd rather have fun with my computer than waste CPU cycles recompiling yet another Kernel from your "blessed leader" to finally get that support for.
Pardon? I was playing quake/q2/q3-test/ while compiling a kernel and ripping a cd this weekend. I think it is safe to say that if you are not using Linux, Free BSD, you would have a good deal of difficulty doing so.
It's all about what you like man. I like compiling Kernels and fiddling with modules and struggling with perl and learning c and finding info about servlets. If you enjoy playing games, more power to you.
Just for the record I'm not sure it is possible to waste cpu cycles, unless you consider an idle state to be a waste of cycles.
ever heard of urlview? It pops up a window after parsing some text (or an email message) displaying all that url-like items. You simply click a key and it loads your favorite browser with the url.
I couldn't find a link to urlview's homepage, but you can find info about it in Mutt's manual or at filewatcher
When I downloaded IE5 just yesterday for someone at work it had an 18 megabyte max and 13 meg minimum install. Are you sure it was really 30 megs?
I've found if you install IE5 w/o the desktop addons that IE4 had it is great (part of IE's SP1), but my Win98 machine is a snail thanks to IE's explorer enhancements.
It's painful to admit, but IE is a much better browser than Netscape.
IE 3/4 also come pre-installed on OSR2 (and later) versions of Win95 and Win98. People who use this probably take for granted that the browser comes pre-installed and have no experience downloading new versions. Netscape users on te other hand often have to manually install Netscape, thus they know how/where to go for downloads.
Sadly though, most of the people I work with upgrade Netscape Immediately in the hope it will work better, consume less resources, crash less, make a more pleasurable browsing experience. Too bad this has not been the case for a very long time.
I myself rush to download the newest Netscape for Linux only to see it just as unstable, but now with a new SHOP button!
It was much better than Netscape 4.x I'm pleasantly surprised. For Windows it still cannot compare to IE, but in Linux if it is this smooth I'll surely replace Netscape (that piece of crap). I've used the Windows version for about an hour now and no crash! Netscape (under Linux grant you) crashes a few times an hour on my potato debian machine with Navigator 4.7 from Netscape's site. I can't wait to get home and try it.
I especially liked the language translation, but I'm a little disappointed that it includes all the usual netscape bloat. When will netscape/mozilla realize that the browser is just that, a browser and stop integrating things with it... but rather have addons or user defined choices, like Microsoft has done with IE.
For Mail I have mutt which blows away the integrated mailer.
For html editing I have vi
And I hate AOL, please Mozilla team do not make AIM an enhancement as Netscape has done
And what's with the built in text editor?
Does anyone know what (if any) javascript works with M10? The pages I visited whihc I know include javascript did not work correctly.
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Then, there's the fact that Linux remains rather rudimentary. At least compared to a highly polished GUI like Mac OS 9.0
Strange, I find MacOS to be annoying and generally a drain on my productivity. I really like WindowMaker and the command line.
Even the graphical assistants in Gnome are confusing, I clicked on /dev the other day and nothing even remotely resembling a drive appeared (dev1a?)
As an aside, would you expect /dev/hda1 to be represented as a HD Icon in gnome's gmc? I wouldn't as this seems more confusing. /dev/hda1 is a block device, not a drive. If for instance most distro's have /dev/hda[1-9] wouldn't a newbie find it more confusing to look in the /dev directory and panic that linux has detected phantom harddrives, rather than unused block devices.
I'm happily playing CivCTP right now. It's a pretty recent and interesting game. Also I can't wait to get Railroad Tycoon. Addtionally, when i first got CivCTP it crashed regularly after 1 hour of play. I emailed loki and they sent me a beta patch the next day. The finished patch came out a few days later. Never have I received such attention when I've had difficulty with a game for the windows/Mac/Console platform.
The beauty of linux is that due to the community standards/practices companies really need to embrace us (the community) or be ignored.
If you are against Linux, why read slashdot? This is not meant as an insult, but rather as an eye-opener. You are obviously here for a reason, I'd suggest picking up a cheap Linux cd from cheap bytes and see what you're missing.
I saw a post on list.debian.org from the PPC mailing list with install instructions. Basically you need to install linuxppc first, then dump the debian base2_2.tar.gz file on top of it after alot of tweaking you can run apt and install the rest of the system.
It is very usable, but a little more behind then the other platforms package wise. feel free to email me if you have any questions: mcorde61@maine.edu
yes, I know some people have ungodly sized monitors, and a rarer few have a good quality sound system hooked up to their puter...
Man, 15 inches is very small these days. I'm a rather poor college kid and even I was able to fork over the $500 for a 19" monitor and good sound (120 watt (?) boston acustics speakers and sub-woofer) I think this is much more common these days, then a crappy 13"/15" monitor and sb16.
Although both Red Hat and OpenLinux distributions are based on the Linux 2.3 kernel
Is this really true, I don't user either of these distros? Or a simple typo? What company would release their distro based on an experimental kernel?
Is the book sold at Amazon.com signed as well? I truly hope so, this would make a great gift for a friend of mine.
Before reading the article, I was terrified that the Palm's would be fruity colors like another popular computer system. I'm so relieved and overjoyed to hear the screen will be colorized, but they will not follow Apples marketing strategy. What I really want to know is when will my Palm Pilot be as useful as a Startrek tricorder/phaser? *sign* One can dream.
The article really sounded as though there is a pressing need to support Java better on Linux machines, but for some reason I thought the general feeling among Linux users was that Java is slow and not really as useful as traditional programming languages.
I'm wondering if anyone out there uses Java for something useful. Perhaps I sound naive, but I've never seen it deployed beyond annoying applets or slow as molasses games in COS246 (Java Programming) And java support in Netscape seems to be lacking to put it nicely.
I've done some reading about servlets and Jserver pages which seem quite interesting. Does anyone have any experience with them or experience with gnu-jsp?
Is that one of the Pentiums with the arithmetic bug?
Nope.
How did you get treated on that?
Pretty good I think.
Are you running Windows 98 Special Edition, or the long-lasting W2K beta? How were you treated on that?
Pardon? I'm running Linux silly, (psst. This is Slashdot)
I don't understand your argument. If i pre-ordered a machine, be it G4 or a Pentium, and I was treated the way that Apple is now treating people I would seriously think about jumping ship and joing the competitor. My computer AFAIK is not affected by any current Manufacturer defects, etc, but if it was I sure as hell would be wary of purchasing another machine from the same vendor.
Plus, Mac users are overwhelmingly happy with their computers. That counts for a lot.
Do you have any proof to back that one up? I'm guessing not. The statement is so vague as to be devoid of meaning. Mac users (who, all of them? ) are happier with their computers (than who? Toaster owners? Horseback riders?)
I'm sorry, I'm not trying to aggrivate you or start a holy war. I really think Macintosh is a good company and in the very least a competitor to MS. I just think that corporations in general need to realize that people will only stand for so much before they join the enemy's ranks.
The title says it all.
Sorry, but you're mistaken. I only post under this UserID. I'd like to take credit for all AC's but in reality I'm am mearly 'ffatTony'.
Have a good day Anonymous One.
Don't users of the MacOS realize how poorly their being treated here? I would think yes, but where I work the Mac guys drool so long as the box says G4. The name means more to them than the specs or the politics.
I'd like to trade up from my Pentium, but I won't choose an Apple box for some time due to policies like these.
Anyone what effect this is having on the num of new macs purchased? macintosh stock?
Where I work there are the Mac user and those (everyone else) who laugh at Apple's blunders. I wish apple didn't make it so easy.
I'd like to moderate the Article down, please. If similiar blathering was a post from an AC it would immediately be marked at flamebait/worthless/etc. I'm going a step further than the usual moderation and giving that Page, a rating of "-1 Lame/Un-interisting/Waste of Electrons".
Slashdot is usually very good about posting interesting/thought provoking and often wacky stories. This article was none of those. For any of you who did not read the article, here is a synopsis:
I can't believe good old Mike Cassidy gets paid for this drivel. On the plus side he does kinda look like the Norton Utilities Guy :)
Hemos, you're welcome to come live in my dorm room. Your choice of the bathtub or curled up under my desk. Either way I'll think we're gonna have a great time.
I really like Syd Barrett's solo albulms as well as anything Roger Water's has ever produced.
For the record, I doubt you were compiling a kernel & cd-ripping at the same time
I'm a little confused. On my p2-450 cd-ripping (cdparanoia) only takes about 15% of my cpu time (via the highly accurate :) top). If I do that and compile a kernel I have plenty of free cycles to play even intense games (quake, q2, etc)
What kind of computer do you have? Just running three apps at once is hardly a test ot Linux's multi-tasking.
Granted it might be possible inside X, but I'd like to know your configuration so I could update mine
Why would X matter? wouldn't just using multiple virtual teminals (or running processes in the background)require less memory? If ypou want config help, feel free to email me at mcorde61@maine.edu. I'm always happy to help.
How strange. I find Debian very easy. Unlike the other distro's alot is automated for you. 'update-menus' leaps to mind. No other distro that I'm aware of has such a nice menu system. Debian is all about rigorous standards and management systems. Redhat, my former distro, seems to be less concerned with uniformity (e.g. gnome menus/kde menus/etc)
The microsoft guy (Wilkinson)had this to say: "IDC figures show Linux comprised just 3.5 per cent of PC server shipments last year."
I don't understand how this can be a valuable statistic as the majority of people I know bought a machine with some other operating system installed only to have replaced it with linux.
Does anyone else think that Linux is great because it is so similiar to Unix? I certainly do.
Do you worry about the safety of that? In the past potato has had a few bad packages(bash/readline and now slang1), I trust you are either using stable (slink) or are very brave.
Also, some packages have an interactive install, how do you get around that in a cron job? Please tell me you don't use apt's option to automatically assume yes... as this seems ridiculously dangerous.
I was playing Doom, Quake, Civ, & Mame while all you fools were recompiling your kernels on your 486 for the weekend. I'd rather have fun with my computer than waste CPU cycles recompiling yet another Kernel from your "blessed leader" to finally get that support for.
Pardon? I was playing quake/q2/q3-test/ while compiling a kernel and ripping a cd this weekend. I think it is safe to say that if you are not using Linux, Free BSD, you would have a good deal of difficulty doing so.
It's all about what you like man. I like compiling Kernels and fiddling with modules and struggling with perl and learning c and finding info about servlets. If you enjoy playing games, more power to you.
Just for the record I'm not sure it is possible to waste cpu cycles, unless you consider an idle state to be a waste of cycles.
ever heard of urlview? It pops up a window after parsing some text (or an email message) displaying all that url-like items. You simply click a key and it loads your favorite browser with the url.
I couldn't find a link to urlview's homepage, but you can find info about it in Mutt's manual or at filewatcher
When I downloaded IE5 just yesterday for someone at work it had an 18 megabyte max and 13 meg minimum install. Are you sure it was really 30 megs?
I've found if you install IE5 w/o the desktop addons that IE4 had it is great (part of IE's SP1), but my Win98 machine is a snail thanks to IE's explorer enhancements.
It's painful to admit, but IE is a much better browser than Netscape.
IE 3/4 also come pre-installed on OSR2 (and later) versions of Win95 and Win98. People who use this probably take for granted that the browser comes pre-installed and have no experience downloading new versions. Netscape users on te other hand often have to manually install Netscape, thus they know how/where to go for downloads.
Sadly though, most of the people I work with upgrade Netscape Immediately in the hope it will work better, consume less resources, crash less, make a more pleasurable browsing experience. Too bad this has not been the case for a very long time.
I myself rush to download the newest Netscape for Linux only to see it just as unstable, but now with a new SHOP button!
Or maybe that's just their excuse to explain their failure when compared to the Athlon and SledgeHammer.
poor bastards...
It was much better than Netscape 4.x I'm pleasantly surprised. For Windows it still cannot compare to IE, but in Linux if it is this smooth I'll surely replace Netscape (that piece of crap). I've used the Windows version for about an hour now and no crash! Netscape (under Linux grant you) crashes a few times an hour on my potato debian machine with Navigator 4.7 from Netscape's site. I can't wait to get home and try it.
I especially liked the language translation, but I'm a little disappointed that it includes all the usual netscape bloat. When will netscape/mozilla realize that the browser is just that, a browser and stop integrating things with it... but rather have addons or user defined choices, like Microsoft has done with IE.
Does anyone know what (if any) javascript works with M10? The pages I visited whihc I know include javascript did not work correctly.