You expect a collapse in energy prices and the massive availability of cheap energy to negatively effect industrial economies ?
So that would be like the economic disasters that came about when people started burning coal for steam power or oil for the internal combustion engine, And electrification destroyed the worlds economy ?
Oh that's right, the ruling class (govt + business) can't stand the idea of working class (authors/musicians) making money forever off their work. They should always have their noses to the grindstone.
I was unaware that the working class had somehow managed to live forever. You also need to tell me how Walt Disney and Darth Mickey figure into this narrative of oppression.
ustralia has power prices worse than a third world country, a global renewable energy guru says. "For a country that has a very high standard of living, stable economic situation and tremendous opportunities, it makes no sense at all for the price of power to be more than a banana republic," the Australian head of global renewable firm SunEnergy1, and part-time racecar driver, Kenny Habul said.
Speaking at the Bond Business Leaders Forum on the Gold Coast, Mr Habul said Australia needs to dramatically change its energy landscape in order to escape the energy price crisis, adding that there is a disconnect between Australian standards of living and electricity costs.
Mr Habul said will meet with Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull later this month to discuss how to halt spiralling power costs and restore the nation’s electricity prices to normality.
As of July 1, 2017, electricity prices in the state of South Australia are the highest in the world, exceeding Denmark’s due to price increases of between 15.3 and 19.9 percent by its three major electric utilities.[i] In nearby New South Wales the problem is not much better, with more than 60,000 households at risk of having their power cut off because they cannot afford the bills.
Further, South Australia is faced with the possibility of brownouts and blackouts due to the intermittency of wind power.
Imagine that. Facebook has revenues of roughly 30+ Billion/year, it's no wonder it's taken so long for the specifics to surface. If you wanted to find them you would have had to use a microscope and tweezers.
P.S. I'd suspect more people voted for Lemon Pledge due to facebook ads than were influenced Russians.
Yes, instead of letting the house builders screw them over, then the electric company screw them over,then the solar installers screw them over, the government is telling them to fucking shut up and do solar installs at build time. Boo fucking hoo. You just want to bleat about a leftie government.
So you think people that can afford to buy a new house in CA somehow can't perform the calculation for the return on a solar panel ?
You are a very good argument for Ayn Rand's philosophies.
You aren't even stupid enough to know what you don't know.
Followers aren't baseload providers
Power plants are designated baseload based on their low cost generation, efficiency and safety at rated output power levels. Baseload power plants do not change production to match power consumption demands since it is more economical to operate them at constant production levels. Use of higher cost combined-cycle plants or combustion turbines is thus minimized, and these plants can be cycled up and down to match more rapid fluctuations in consumption.
Instead of just setting goals for new homes (overall energy usage) and letting the people decide what they want their home to be, and how to best achieve it, you get a top down mandate that is nearly religious belief
If that were so you would have continued discussing the point since it would be so easy to dispute.
Back to reality that was done posts pajama ago boy. Good job demonstrating once again you have no idea what you are talking about, you might as well have said low tide happens 24 hours a day.
And for some of that 24 hour period, if some of the demand gets supplied by cheaper, easier, cleaner supplementary sources then you don't have to build as many big, expensive, dirty power stations, or consume as much dirty fuel.
Yeah except for one thing. You don't turn a coal plant or a nuke plant on and off on a daily basis. Oops maybe you can pick up a copy of electricity for idiots.
"Solar is a supplementary system design to ease pressure of the existing base load infrastructure, not replace it."
Well first you need to know what base load means, which is the minimum demand over a time period. Seeing as that occurs at NIGHT solar isn't going to do much about that. 7:00 AM to 8:00-10:00 pm depending on where you are, are the typical peak power usage period.
See the difference there Peak during the day when the sun is up. Base at night when people aren't doing as much ? -- " I can only deduce you don't have the intellect to talk on this subject.
One of us doesn't, that is becoming abundantly clear...."
" 1st, the cost of electricity does not go up over that 20 years, "
Just what effect is forcing people to buy solar going to have for those that aren't using it ??
Right now if I were in California and not using solar, I would be hell yeah get those idiots to lower my bills by reducing demand while I enjoy my gas range and gas heated pool.
Solar PV Cells degrade over time expected life 20 years Batteries ? Lucky to get 10 years out of them. Inverters and associated equipment, likely minor efficiency degradation would have to look and really don't care to.
Bottom line you pay 25k up front, and something like another 35k over the life. Seems like a great deal/sarcasm
You see that's why people give short shrift to elaborate and expensive plans to "Fight" climate change. If you think CO2, or mankind in general is the only thing that affects the climate, you're just ignorant and not credible.
It's not hard to see that the problem with U.S. education is that it's a vast pool of political patronage. If you are spending 20k+/year on a student it's hard to imagine how they can't get a reasonable education unless the system is being robbed every step of the way.
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You expect a collapse in energy prices and the massive availability of cheap energy to negatively effect industrial economies ?
So that would be like the economic disasters that came about when people started burning coal for steam power or oil for the internal combustion engine, And electrification destroyed the worlds economy ?
Oh that's right, the ruling class (govt + business) can't stand the idea of working class (authors/musicians) making money forever off their work. They should always have their noses to the grindstone.
I was unaware that the working class had somehow managed to live forever. You also need to tell me how Walt Disney and Darth Mickey figure into this narrative of oppression.
People have to be forced to buy them.
Whats more you have idiots lining up to demand this be done. Makes you think Ayn Rand was an optimist about people.
Just about anything works
https://www.smh.com.au/busines...
https://instituteforenergyrese...
Imagine that. Facebook has revenues of roughly 30+ Billion/year, it's no wonder it's taken so long for the specifics to surface. If you wanted to find them you would have had to use a microscope and tweezers.
P.S. I'd suspect more people voted for Lemon Pledge due to facebook ads than were influenced Russians.
Oh God.
Better be sure they aren't laughing at you.
Yes, instead of letting the house builders screw them over, then the electric company screw them over,then the solar installers screw them over, the government is telling them to fucking shut up and do solar installs at build time.
Boo fucking hoo. You just want to bleat about a leftie government.
So you think people that can afford to buy a new house in CA somehow can't perform the calculation for the return on a solar panel ?
You are a very good argument for Ayn Rand's philosophies.
You aren't even stupid enough to know what you don't know.
Followers aren't baseload providers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Progressivism
Government so good you can't criticize it, and it needs to watch you 24/7
Instead of just setting goals for new homes (overall energy usage) and letting the people decide what they want their home to be, and how to best achieve it, you get a top down mandate that is nearly religious belief
Back to reality that was done posts pajama ago boy. Good job demonstrating once again you have no idea what you are talking about, you might as well have said low tide happens 24 hours a day.
Yeah except for one thing. You don't turn a coal plant or a nuke plant on and off on a daily basis. Oops maybe you can pick up a copy of electricity for idiots.
"Did you have to Google that? It sounds like you did..."
Hey nice try at deflecting from the obvious fact you have no idea what you are talking about.
Here's a hint whining "No Fair He Knows What The Words Mean" isn't an argument.
"Solar is a supplementary system design to ease pressure of the existing base load infrastructure, not replace it."
Well first you need to know what base load means, which is the minimum demand over a time period. Seeing as that occurs at NIGHT solar isn't going to do much about that. 7:00 AM to 8:00-10:00 pm depending on where you are, are the typical peak power usage period.
See the difference there Peak during the day when the sun is up. Base at night when people aren't doing as much ?
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" I can only deduce you don't have the intellect to talk on this subject.
One of us doesn't, that is becoming abundantly clear...."
Oh yes it has.
"Has grid power dropped to 1/3 of what it was 20 years ago?"
Do you really think solar is going to continue it's current scaling function ?
More importantly did the grid actually need to drop or is it still sufficiently far ahead that it doesn't matter ?
"Nothing in this is about storage, so I can only assume you're trying to distract from the point"
If you can't understand people need power when the sun doesn't shine, I can only deduce you don't have the intellect to talk on this subject.
Wishful thinking much ?
" 1st, the cost of electricity does not go up over that 20 years, "
Just what effect is forcing people to buy solar going to have for those that aren't using it ??
Right now if I were in California and not using solar, I would be hell yeah get those idiots to lower my bills by reducing demand while I enjoy my gas range and gas heated pool.
Solar PV Cells degrade over time expected life 20 years
Batteries ? Lucky to get 10 years out of them.
Inverters and associated equipment, likely minor efficiency degradation would have to look and really don't care to.
Bottom line you pay 25k up front, and something like another 35k over the life. Seems like a great deal /sarcasm
here you go small enough to put in your pacemaker
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Oh don't go screwing them up with common sense. It's not like increasing the forestation and food supplies wouldn't have other beneficial effects.
You see that's why people give short shrift to elaborate and expensive plans to "Fight" climate change. If you think CO2, or mankind in general is the only thing that affects the climate, you're just ignorant and not credible.
It's not hard to see that the problem with U.S. education is that it's a vast pool of political patronage. If you are spending 20k+/year on a student it's hard to imagine how they can't get a reasonable education unless the system is being robbed every step of the way.
Silly Rabbit, The NSA and FISA are tools of the beltway insiders, no way they will let an outsider get his grubby orange hands on them.
Yeah I can see that working out well. Oh that was decentralized solar farm ? Toss in transmission lines and it looks that much better.
Puerto Rico is a perfect argument for small nukes 50 MW on sealed reactor that only needs to be refueled every few years perfect.
That's been the pattern since Spitzer
Youtube arbitrarily cuts off people's income streams without explanation or any transparency in the process, no great surprise they get death threats.
Really amazing that they haven't had more people go berzerk on them.