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Russia Launches Floating Nuclear Power Plant That's Headed To the Arctic (npr.org)

Russia's state nuclear corporation Rosatom launched a massive floating nuclear power plant over the weekend. It's the first nuclear power plant of its kind and it's headed to an Arctic port, reports NPR. From the report: Called the Akademik Lomonosov, the floating power plant is being towed at a creeping pace out of St. Petersburg, where it was built over the last nine years. It will eventually be brought northward, to Murmansk -- where its two nuclear reactors will be loaded with nuclear fuel and started up this fall. From there, the power plant will be pulled to a mooring berth in the Arctic port of Pevek, in far northeast Russia. There, it will be wired into the infrastructure so it can replace an existing nuclear power installment on land. Russian officials say the mandate of the Akademik Lomonoso is to supply energy to remote industrial plants and port cities, and to offshore gas and oil platforms.

It will take more than a year for the power plant to reach its new home port. The original plan had called for fueling the floating plant before it began that journey, at the shipyard in central St. Petersburg -- but that was scuttled last summer, after concerns were raised both in Russia and in countries along the power plant's route through the Baltic Sea and north to the Arctic. "The nuclear power plant has two KLT-40S reactor units that can generate up to 70 MW of electric energy and 50 Gcal/hr of heat energy during its normal operation," Rosatom said. "This is enough to keep the activity of the town populated with 100,000 people."

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  1. That's head to the Arctic by omnichad · · Score: 1

    It's head to the Arctic

    1. Re:That's head to the Arctic by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      The headline was written by AI.

    2. Re:That's head to the Arctic by AHuxley · · Score: 2

      The "replace an existing nuclear power installment on land" is deeper in so the Arctic part can really stand out.
      Russians are doing nuclear things to the floating parts of the Arctic.
      Russia replaces an existing nuclear power installment would just not read as well.
      Arctic, that gets attention.

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    3. Re:That's head to the Arctic by Mr0bvious · · Score: 1

      It'll then foot to the Atlantic.

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    4. Re:That's head to the Arctic by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      "this fall"

      This autumn. Furthermore, it's already autumn here in the southern hemisphere.

    5. Re:That's head to the Arctic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can believe the 'A' part of that claim.

    6. Re:That's head to the Arctic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the 'I' stand for?

    7. Re:That's head to the Arctic by msauve · · Score: 1

      Why wouldn't the arctic want some good head?

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    8. Re:That's head to the Arctic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We call it Fall because leaf fall down.

    9. Re:That's head to the Arctic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ignorance

    10. Re:That's head to the Arctic by Drishmung · · Score: 1

      Insemination?

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    11. Re:That's head to the Arctic by Drishmung · · Score: 1

      Except for conifers, as found at higher latitudes, like where the ship is heading.

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    12. Re:That's head to the Arctic by nojayuk · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Russian nuclear icebreakers such as "Fifty Years of Victory" have been taking tourists to the North Pole during the Northern summer for over a decade now. They're only really needed for serious icebreaking during the winter around the northern coasts. They use the same KLT-35 reactors as the floating power barge mentioned in the article.

      A major reason for this project is to supply electricity and heat to communities on the northern coasts supporting oil and gas exploration efforts in the Arctic. The Chinese are looking at similar floating nuclear power plants to provide electricity for the artificial islands they're constructing in the South China Sea as well as developing their own nuclear naval capabilities. They're not actually building anything yet though.

    13. Re:That's head to the Arctic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      The US already has 12 floating nuclear power plants. They are called aircraft carriers. Not to mention the sub-surface nuclear powered vessels. I guess Russia is using barges so if something goes wrong they can just sink the barge and pretend it never existed. And I hope Russia has learned it's lesson after the Chernobyl melt down and the two nuclear subs that suffered reactor danger and ending up on the ocean floor. And interesting fact about one of the nuclear powered subs Russia lost and how the US undertook building a special built surface vessel capable of retrieving the Russian sub from the ocean floor while hiding the entire operation from surface survellience.

    14. Re:That's head to the Arctic by markdavis · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yeah, it is amazing how poor some of the Slashdot headlines are now. They are full of grammatical mistakes, unnecessary contractions, inconsistent uppercasing, and often just misleading. This is probably what was meant:

      "Russia Launches a Floating Nuclear Power Plant Headed for the Arctic"

      This one from several hours ago:

      "Comcast Won't Give New Speed Boost To Internet Users Who Don't Buy TV Service"

      Uses two negative constructs. Would be far better as:

      "Comcast gives new speed boost only to Internet users who also buy TV service"

    15. Re:That's head to the Arctic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Bundy or the Paul Simon alias?

    16. Re:That's head to the Arctic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AI stands for Artificial Island (made in China).

    17. Re:That's head to the Arctic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey! Did anyone notice the headline is messed up? And did anyone notice that it;s NOT the first of its kind because of that old converted Liberty Ship that powered Panama back in the 1960s?

    18. Re:That's head to the Arctic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      been watching CNN, is it?

    19. Re:That's head to the Arctic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously a misspelling.

      It should be "That's heading to the attic".

    20. Re:That's head to the Arctic by sacrilicious · · Score: 1

      What BeauHD is trying to convey is that this power plant will popularize the arctic, in effect being a nice blowjob for the region's economy.

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    21. Re:That's head to the Arctic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is Artificial Insemination like Divine Conception?

    22. Re:That's head to the Arctic by wardrich86 · · Score: 1

      "That's" as in "that has" not "that is". The headline actually isn't wrong... they could just as well have said "Russian Floating Powerplant Has Head to the Arctic"

    23. Re:That's head to the Arctic by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      More than 12. There are 53 US nuclear attack submarines and 18 ballistic missile subs.

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    24. Re:That's head to the Arctic by swillden · · Score: 1

      "Comcast gives new speed boost only to Internet users who also buy TV service"

      Or "Comcast boosts Internet speed for TV service customers"

      The thing about these versions, though is that they sound more reasonable. The double-negative version focuses on how Comcast is screwing Internet-only subscribers, while the positive versions focus on how Comcast is giving a benefit to TV subscribers. Gotta rouse the rabble, y'know.

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    25. Re:That's head to the Arctic by mandark1967 · · Score: 2

      Except for conifers, as found at higher latitudes, like where the ship is head.

      FIFY

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    26. Re:That's head to the Arctic by David_Hart · · Score: 1

      "Comcast gives new speed boost only to Internet users who also buy TV service"

      Or "Comcast boosts Internet speed for TV service customers"

      The thing about these versions, though is that they sound more reasonable. The double-negative version focuses on how Comcast is screwing Internet-only subscribers, while the positive versions focus on how Comcast is giving a benefit to TV subscribers. Gotta rouse the rabble, y'know.

      Comcast Denies Internet Speed Boost for Internet Only Customers

      See, you can still make the headline easily readable but also express the problem/outrage.....

    27. Re:That's head to the Arctic by tonique · · Score: 1

      BeauHD may be an AS.

    28. Re: That's head to the Arctic by Type44Q · · Score: 2

      I guess Russia is using barges so if something goes wrong they can just sink the barge and pretend it never existed.

      Do you have any more stupid guesses that you'd like shot down or is that it?

    29. Re:That's head to the Arctic by tonique · · Score: 1

      There seem to be few trees in Pevek, the final destination. There are at least birches, deciduous trees, in Murmansk.

    30. Re:That's head to the Arctic by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      If it would be a new benefit and boost, that version would be ok.
      But changing existing offers for internet service only and removing the speed boosts that one might have if he also purchases TV, is a different kind of thing.

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    31. Re:That's head to the Arctic by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      It is replacing an existing plant.
      And ... it is 2 times 70MW. That is enough for a 50,000 people village, if at all. Probably less.
      So much to "boosting economy" ... in the arctics.

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    32. Re:That's head to the Arctic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "BeauHD may be an AS."

      Um, you misspelled ass.

    33. Re:That's head to the Arctic by tsa · · Score: 1

      That last example you show is straight from Ars. Copying is faster than thinking so we see a sort of shadow of Arstechnica here.

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    34. Re:That's head to the Arctic by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      Many are the times that I have been north of the Arctic Circle and was frustrated by not being able to find and plug in my charge cable to an electrical outlet.

    35. Re:That's head to the Arctic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps written by a Bulgarian, double negations are normal in this language.

    36. Re:That's head to the Arctic by omnichad · · Score: 1

      That is not the past tense of head in either case.

    37. Re:That's head to the Arctic by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Per capita power consumption is considerably less in most of the world than it is in the US.

      The Russian average is about 850 W / person, and a remote northern village is probably going to have lower electricity consumption and higher heating demand than the Russian average. 140 MW of electricity + extra heat for 100,000 people isn't unreasonable.

    38. Re:That's head to the Arctic by Ranbot · · Score: 1

      The US already has 12 floating nuclear power plants. They are called aircraft carriers. Not to mention the sub-surface nuclear powered vessels.

      ^^This was a great point. You should have stopped there.

    39. Re:That's head to the Arctic by sacrilicious · · Score: 1

      :) I was just trying to rationalize the "That's head to the arctic" headline. I made up what I wrote.

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    40. Re:That's head to the Arctic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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      MODDOWN! ; creimer spam post again!

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  2. US has them beat... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 5, Informative

    The US had a nuclear power plant on a barge in the Panama Canal Zone in the 60s and 70s.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    US also had a few "portable" land-based reactors powering military bases and a station in Antarctica.

    1. Re:US has them beat... by rilister · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yeah, I can go one further than that: the Convair X-6 (1955-57) was a fully-functioning nuclear-powered bomber *airplane* that was flight-tested but never operationalized:

      "The NTA completed 47 test flights and 215 hours of flight time (during 89 of which the reactor was operated) between September 17, 1955, and March 1957[2] over New Mexico and Texas. This was the only known airborne reactor experiment by the U.S. with an operational nuclear reactor on board."

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      What could possibly go wrong?

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    2. Re:US has them beat... by del_diablo · · Score: 1

      I would guess that permanent nuclear flight leave you with issues related to internal part heat. And a large enough airplane to have a large enough crew to support a 24 hours of operation, in at the least 3-6 shifts a day. On top of maintenance in the air, for what is possible.

      On top of either building megaplane to make the reactor crash proven, or risking a spill each time you land.
      I assume canceled for pragmatic reasons: Simply no need for megairplane, yet

    3. Re:US has them beat... by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      The US had a nuclear power plant on a barge in the Panama Canal Zone in the 60s and 70s.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      US also had a few "portable" land-based reactors powering military bases and a station in Antarctica.

      Every nuclear powered submarine is a floating nuke plant, for that matter.

    4. Re:US has them beat... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I would guess that permanent nuclear flight leave you with issues related to internal part heat.

      The Atomic airplane is a fascinating bit of early cold war history. They came fairly close to making it work. It was eventually scuttled because the open cycle design irradiated everything in it's path, the radiation inside the plane, while being attenuated by shadow shielding, caused them to consider using older crew who would be expected to die of other causes before radiation caused leukemia took them out, and of course what would happen in the event of a crash. Even landing presented problems, as landing weight would be the same as takeoff weight.

      Fortunately saner minds and ICBM's made the A-Plane unnecessary.

      Then if you really want to freak out, research SLAM. A reactor powered cruise missile running open cycle at treetop level. You can guess the side effects of that.

      The technogeek in me finds this stuff fascinating. The practical me asks "What the fuck were they thinking?"

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    5. Re:US has them beat... by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      The technogeek in me finds this stuff fascinating. The practical me asks "What the fuck were they thinking?"

      Before Silicon Valley existed, the one place where you could try out all the wild-hair ideas was the military. Apollo itself, despite its civilian window dressing, was an example of this.

    6. Re:US has them beat... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fortunately saner minds and ICBM's

      "Saner minds" and "ICBMs" should never be juxtaposed in a sentence.

    7. Re:US has them beat... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're an idiot who obviously doesn't understand the concept of relativity (I'm not talking about physics) and context. You and people like you are why we have to do stupid things like refer to NMR as MRI because anything related to the word nuclear makes you twinge with morally superior radical outrage.

    8. Re:US has them beat... by Toad-san · · Score: 1

      Yes, I remember the Sturgis well. I was assigned to the 8th SFG in Panama then, and remember it parked up by the Chagres River Spillway where it was plugged into the power grid. Our SCUBA team also pulled a training "raid" on the ship, easily swimming past the almost nonexistent "defenses" and planting fake explosive charges on her hull.

      Great site here with lots of pictures of her disassembly. Pity she's gone: the Army Engineers did a good job with her, no question.

      https://arstechnica.com/scienc...

    9. Re:US has them beat... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The practical me asks "What the fuck were they thinking?"

      May be they figured that considering what cruise missile was carrying and circumstances under which it would be used, propulsion system was least of everyones problems.

    10. Re:US has them beat... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      You mean a "sinking" nuke plant...

    11. Re:US has them beat... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Fortunately saner minds and ICBM's

      "Saner minds" and "ICBMs" should never be juxtaposed in a sentence.

      But you know what I mean - the combination of people who thought that constant irradiation waas a bad thing, and the ICBM made the full time scrambled nuc bomb plane concept less attractive.

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    12. Re:US has them beat... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      The practical me asks "What the fuck were they thinking?"

      May be they figured that considering what cruise missile was carrying and circumstances under which it would be used, propulsion system was least of everyones problems.

      But cruising around the world long enough would have a bit of the results of nuc bombs - at least on living things. Buildings would be intact. Don't need an explodey thing when you have 24/7/365 firehose delivery of radiation out the exhaust.

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    13. Re:US has them beat... by bobbied · · Score: 1

      No.. That's the Russians fleet.

      (Yes, I'm kidding, sort of)

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    14. Re:US has them beat... by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      You mean a "sinking" nuke plant...

      We tried to make sure that our surface to dive ratio always equaled one.

  3. Bad facts in article by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1, Troll

    Not the first (the USS Sturgis, back in the mid 60s, was the first floating nuclear power plant), and it's actually pretty small at 70 MW (a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier is about 3 times that power). But I guess "Russia Russia Russia!" demands media so we can keep the public thinking about Trump and Russia?

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    1. Re:Bad facts in article by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1, Troll

      Article said "first of its kind." The Sturgis only provided electricity, this one produces electricity and steam heat.

    2. Re:Bad facts in article by Known+Nutter · · Score: 1

      Is that a meaningful distinction?

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    3. Re:Bad facts in article by Shinobi · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes, it's meaningful, because it means it'll be hooked up to the remote heating system for the small community, so serving a double utility role, and saves them from building a separate gas, coal or oil fired plant for that role.

    4. Re:Bad facts in article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reactors typically glow blue, not green.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherenkov_radiation

    5. Re:Bad facts in article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not the first (the USS Sturgis [wikipedia.org], back in the mid 60s, was the first floating nuclear power plant), and it's actually pretty small at 70 MW (a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier is about 3 times that power [wikipedia.org]).

      So you claim there are bad facts in the article, but don't provide anything except true facts that are not relevant? Could you at least provide some substantial allegation of erroneous reporting?

      But I guess "Russia Russia Russia!" demands media so we can keep the public thinking about Trump and Russia?

      Actually, it's Rusatom PR that's causing this to be reported(read their hand-out, it's all marketing), because they want to produce them in the dozens, so they've got to be touted. Of course, it's years behind, but hey, you didn't complain about that.

      Just some random grousing about your poor persecuted Trump who is so much a victim, he can't even stand to be corrected on his own misstated facts. We get it, you are so insecure that your own poor performance needs to be hidden, you can't stand being told you are a liar and a fraud. Heaven forbid the media report that!

    6. Re:Bad facts in article by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Parent is using cartoon physics, the kind they teach in journalism school. Radiation always glows green.

    7. Re:Bad facts in article by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Reactors typically glow blue, not green.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherenkov_radiation

      I can attest that it's bright blue... I've actually seen it....

      How you ask? The university I went to had a research reactor and I got to visit once. We got to look down into the reactor pool.... And no, I didn't glow green after the visit.

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  4. Yes Comrade by zamboni1138 · · Score: 4, Funny

    We are head to the Arctic.

    1. Re:Yes Comrade by Drishmung · · Score: 4, Funny

      All your base are belong to us.

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    2. Re:Yes Comrade by Bearhouse · · Score: 0

      I think you meant, "in Soviet Russia, base belongs you!"

    3. Re:Yes Comrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No dumbass. In Soviet Russia, you belongs to base!

  5. I noticed this about 6 hours ago, but ... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    ... I'll say it again:

    I just saw this on the Google news feed: Russia just launched a floating nuclear power plant, headed to the Arctic.

    I can't help but comment on this headline: Russia's 'Nuclear Titanic' Heads West, Raising Fears of 'Chernobyl on Ice' to say the "Chernobyl on Ice" sounds like the worst Ice Capades theme ever.

    (Apologies to those that take the potential destruction of the environment and Earth seriously.)

    I'll add that "Nuclear Titanic" sounds like a good name for a James Cameron movie or documentary.

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    1. Re:I noticed this about 6 hours ago, but ... by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      good point, they should absolutely stick to shipping barrels of diesel fuel to these northern towns.

  6. You mean like an aircraft carrier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only much much slower. OMG nukes!

  7. All those Nuke aircraft carriers and subs by darthsilun · · Score: 1

    I guess those don't count as floating nuke power plants. Because they're not powering cities or some such. Nimitz class aircraft carriers have 6000+ crew, more than many small towns.

    1. Re:All those Nuke aircraft carriers and subs by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Did any of them that's head to the Arctic?

    2. Re:All those Nuke aircraft carriers and subs by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      The Russian version is wired into the infrastructure to support a real town.
      Heat and power for 100,000 people.

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    3. Re:All those Nuke aircraft carriers and subs by darthsilun · · Score: 1

      A Russian barge with two nukes can generate 70MW. A Nimitz class aircraft carrier generates 194MW. Why exactly is this Russian barge interesting?

    4. Re: All those Nuke aircraft carriers and subs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Flexible steam piping? Not very practical.

    5. Re:All those Nuke aircraft carriers and subs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because this one is head to the Arctic, duh.

    6. Re: All those Nuke aircraft carriers and subs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A Russian barge with two nukes can generate 70MW. A Nimitz class aircraft carrier generates 194MW. Why exactly is this Russian barge interesting?

      Because this one is head. Head dude, head!

    7. Re:All those Nuke aircraft carriers and subs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right. It's not really interesting. The US media is making a huge deal of it, though. I guess it's just more propaganda from US to throw shade on Russia. Ever since US failed to grab Crimea in Ukraine, lost face with Snowden and Assange, and got cockblocked in Syria, it's been acting very childish and throwing tantrums everywhere. Can't wait to see what those sore losers will do in the upcoming World Cup. Probably sponsor another terrorist attack? Push Ukraine towards war in the east with their new Javelins? Bomb Syria again?

    8. Re:All those Nuke aircraft carriers and subs by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      Did any of them that's head to the Arctic?

      Yes, nuke subs regularly go to Arctic.

    9. Re:All those Nuke aircraft carriers and subs by Sporkinum · · Score: 1

      Right now, the town the reactor is going to is only about 4000 people. It's a bit oversized, but maybe needed if they start mining again. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    10. Re:All those Nuke aircraft carriers and subs by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Because the Russian bark has two reactors and yield in total 140MW, and it will be connected to the heating grid and provide steam/hot water to heat the town.

      It is actually all in the summary.

      Then again it is traveling 5000km from St. Petersburg to its final deployment
      Then again they first wanted to fuel it in St. Petersburg, but decided to fuel it on the way, and now have to tow it as it can't move under its own power.

      Towing a megastructure like this ... is nerdy. You obviously are not a nerd and neither a geek.

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  8. Hard hitting topics these days by ckatko · · Score: 1

    Other than "kinda cool" blerb.

      - They've already got nuke power up there.
      - They have TONS of nuke subs
      - They've got tons of military ships / weaponry up there so there's no chance this is some smuggling run.

    Is it solely a story because "muh russia controls everything"?

    With quality articles like this, how will we have time to discuss incredibly important topics like whetehr Hollywood and tech are "too pale"?

    1. Re:Hard hitting topics these days by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      They might also be too stale.

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    2. Re:Hard hitting topics these days by AntronArgaiv · · Score: 1

      Other than "kinda cool" blerb.

        - They've already got nuke power up there.

      Some of it quite old and not exactly working. Let's hope when this nuclear plant reaches it's EOL, they're a bit more responsible about decommissioning it.
      http://englishrussia.com/2009/...

    3. Re:Hard hitting topics these days by fazig · · Score: 1

      Sometimes I think people have become a bit too sensitive and quickly to assume everything is meant as an attack.
      In my country people make a big deal out of something like nuclear waste transports with protests, roads and rail blockages and nonsense like that. Besides of the clickbaity headline, I think it's an interesting story when someone moves stuff around that's as massive as this and apparently does it well.

  9. Actually this is a pretty old idea. by hey! · · Score: 5, Informative

    In 1961 US Army converted an old Liberty ship called the SS Charles H Cugle into a floating power plant back in 1961, pretty much with exactly the purpose: to provide a mobile electricity generation station for remote areas. The newly renamed MH-1A Sturgis was towed to the Panama Canal Zone from 1968 to 1975, then mothballed.

    The Russian project is much more powerful, employing a pair of nuclear icebreaker reactors to generate a total of 140 MW, 14x the power of the old Sturgis. to obtain this kind of power in a compact ship-borne package, the KLT-40 reactors use nearly more highly enriched uranium than is typical in land based reactors: 40% to 90% rather than 3%-5%.

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    1. Re:Actually this is a pretty old idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Quote from above link however says:

      The KLT-40S variant is used in the Russian floating nuclear power station Akademik Lomonosov. It was developed by OKBM Afrikantov and produced by NMZ. The KLT-40S produces 150 MW thermal (about 52 MWe at 35% efficiency). The KLT-40S also uses low-enriched uranium at 14.1% enrichment to meet international proliferation standards.

    2. Re:Actually this is a pretty old idea. by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      The Russian project is much more powerful, employing a pair of nuclear icebreaker reactors to generate a total of 140 MW,

      Can you link me to any source about this data?

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    3. Re:Actually this is a pretty old idea. by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The other key difference here is the use of waste heat for remote central heating. I'm not sure how they do it in North America but in Europe and Russia many places have dedicated district area central heating plants, either fueled by waste reprocessing, cogeneration on the back of power plants, or in some horrid cases, standalone. By combining it with the power plant you get massive increases in efficiency from the fuel source as you can repurpose waste heat that is too cool to generate power, and put it to use for heating systems.

      Also information is all over the place. That Wikipedia article says the KLT-40S used in this installation needs 14% enriched uranium.
      An article from Power Technology says it uses KLT-40C which combined generate 300MW of heat. https://www.power-technology.c...

    4. Re:Actually this is a pretty old idea. by lotaris · · Score: 1

      I grew up on the Canal Zone while the Sturgis was operating in the 70s.

      There are plenty of floating reactors in warships.

    5. Re:Actually this is a pretty old idea. by swillden · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In 1961 US Army converted an old Liberty ship called the SS Charles H Cugle into a floating power plant back in 1961, pretty much with exactly the purpose: to provide a mobile electricity generation station for remote areas.

      Too bad we don't have a few of these in operation. It would be really helpful to have them to park off of Puerto Rico.

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    6. Re:Actually this is a pretty old idea. by swillden · · Score: 1

      There are plenty of floating reactors in warships.

      True, though most of them don't generate much electricity, nor are they set up to pump waste heat off to use to heat buildings. They primarily generate steam which is used to turn turbines directly connected to screws.

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    7. Re:Actually this is a pretty old idea. by Koreantoast · · Score: 1

      I suppose that's one way to burn down that stockpile of highly enriched uranium.

    8. Re:Actually this is a pretty old idea. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      How many of them provided power to a town, as well as co-generated central heating?

      I'll help you out. The number is zero.

  10. I want a smaller one on wheels... by ls671 · · Score: 1

    I want a smaller one on wheels please!

    1 MW or even 0.5 MW will be plenty for my use case. Since I live in Alaska, the steam output will come handy too.

    Any ideas for this kind of market? What is the smallest nuclear electricity generator even built?

    It would be cool to have one for camping trips.

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    1. Re:I want a smaller one on wheels... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The last thing America needs is a bunch of Alaskans with nukes.

    2. Re:I want a smaller one on wheels... by niftydude · · Score: 1

      Check out the Cadillac Thorium fuelled concept car that was unveiled about 10 years ago. Supposed to run for 100 years on just a few grams of Thorium.

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    3. Re:I want a smaller one on wheels... by ls671 · · Score: 1

      Cool mate but this is concept car. I was asking for "the smallest nuclear electricity generator even built" info.

      Thanks anyway mate!

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    4. Re:I want a smaller one on wheels... by ls671 · · Score: 1

      Fuck mate I meant "'ever built" and I cut and pasted from the OP :(

      Sorry about this

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    5. Re:I want a smaller one on wheels... by Crashmarik · · Score: 2

      here you go small enough to put in your pacemaker

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    6. Re:I want a smaller one on wheels... by ls671 · · Score: 1

      Hey! Thanks for that dude!

      "Nuclear battery technology began in 1913"

      +5!

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    7. Re: I want a smaller one on wheels... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck mate I meant "'ever built" and I cut and pasted from the OP :(

      Sorry about this

      Bullshit you did.

      We know exactly what you meant. And now it's archived in Slashdot history.

    8. Re: I want a smaller one on wheels... by ls671 · · Score: 1

      Well, "even built" and "ever built" kind of mean the same anyway friend.

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    9. Re: I want a smaller one on wheels... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No.

    10. Re: I want a smaller one on wheels... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It does when it head to arctic.

  11. Murderers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The russians are a bunch of well known murders to get their way...be a REAL shame if that nuclear power plant sank on them in retaliation.

    From what I understand russians attempted to poison the CEO of British Petroleum oil and tried to replace all western or UK board members with russians to take over the company.

    One might think a multi billion dollar oil company would have the resources to pop a hole in their giant floating nuclear dingy.

    1. Re:Murderers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haven't been reading the news much have you?
      Here is the citation:
      https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/bp-chief-executive-bob-dudley-poisoned-in-russian-plot-20180430-p4zccy.html

      They were actively trying to kill off or chase off members of BP oil in russia so the company would replace them with russian citizens. You really didn't know? It was big news today.

      But keep swearing at me and talking about my tinfoil hat if you like.

    2. Re:Murderers by gravewax · · Score: 1

      might want to read that yourself, the company was for TNK-BP, not BP.

    3. Re:Murderers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TNK-BP NOT BP fuckwit, I was gonna give you the benefit of the doubt as maybe the article got it wrong, but even the article has it right, you just can't fucking read. Might also want to research the story a bit more, much of the divorce of ways happened after the CEO was found to be corrupt with over 300 cases of corruption being brought against them, they signed a memorandum of understanding to settle the matter but from then on they really went there separate ways and BP were bought out from their share. Basically the management of TNK-BP were as corrupt as fuck, I am sure the Russians probably did their best to push them out as well.

    4. Re:Murderers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      need to be more careful with what you cite. That is a highly one sided version of events, and even then it is based on second hand information and rumor from an anti Russian think tank. While I would not put it past Russia to have done any of that to TNK-BP (it wasn't BP) there was a lot more to the story that this biased story is leaving out. Their was a LOT more to it than what is in those articles, all of it very public at the time. Bob had his Russian Visa rescinded, was being sued from investors and being accused of favouring BP based employees in senior positions in TNK-BP even though it was supposed to be a jointly run venture. He also delayed expansions into foreign markets that the investors wanted, making them concerned he wasn't strictly speaking acting in the companies best interests, rather the partners best interests. On the whole I doubt their is any innocent party in the whole story.

    5. Re:Murderers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haven't been reading the news much have you?

      someone certainly hasn't been. At least not properly. might want to learn to read before providing a citation.

      But keep swearing at me and talking about my tinfoil hat if you like.

      seems to me they got it dead right, you are unable to read as your tinfoil hat has fallen over your eyes.

  12. Or any aircraft carrier by goombah99 · · Score: 2

    any nuclear powered navy ship is by definition a floating nuclear power plant. The Orion project was a flying nuclear power plant.

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    1. Re:Or any aircraft carrier by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Orion was a rocket that used nuclear explosions to launch itself. Not all nuclear Navy ships are capable of supplying an entire city with electricity.

    2. Re:Or any aircraft carrier by avandesande · · Score: 1

      I would assume that 'plant' is short for 'planted', ie not mobile.

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  13. Even better! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh yeah? Well I've got a steam engine that's tits and ass for the Caribbean. So there.

  14. Re: Head-on: Apply Directly to the Arctic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Head-on: Apply directly to the Arctic; BeauHD: Apply directly to unemployment.

  15. On wheels? How about 1.21 gigawatts by raymorris · · Score: 1

    I know where you can get 1.21 gigawatts in wheels. It goes 88 MPH.

    1. Re:On wheels? How about 1.21 gigawatts by bobbied · · Score: 1

      I know where you can get 1.21 gigawatts in wheels. It goes 88 MPH.

      Only when you can get it started... Think McFly, Think!

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  16. Sea by ledow · · Score: 0

    I always said that nuke plants should be in the sea.

    That way, if they are attacked, or if anything goes wrong, you can just dump the whole thing into the ocean.

    Which, pretty much, is an incredibly safe way to deal with it. Sure... a surrounding... what? 50m? 100m of water won't be good for you, but site it far enough away from land and it's a fabulous, and free, safety screen.

    This is just a mini reactor, but there's no reason you couldn't build an oil-rig of any size, within territorial waters, stick a plant on it, run a cable to it, and dump it into the ocean quite safely if something happened (very rare).

    1 billion cubic metres of saltwater tend to be quite handy when in need of a radiation shield and/or additional cooling.

    1. Re:Sea by ixuzus · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's just as well there are no ocean currents which could carry irradiated water away from the sunken reactor.

    2. Re:Sea by ledow · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Which will be so diluted by the time they touch anything, you wouldn't be able to tell above background radiation.

      Average depth of the ocean:
      3,700m

      Therefore 1 tonne of radioactive material, in 1 square kilometre of ocean gives you:

      1000 kg in 3,700,000,000 m^3

      = 1kg in 3,700,000 m^3

      = 2.7 x 10^-7 kg/m^3

      Which is much less than the amount of gold in the ocean (on the order of one gram of gold for every 100 million metric tons = 1 x 10^-8 kg/m^3). Or, indeed, uranium. In fact, we've looked seriously into extracting uranium FROM seawater. (I'm not suggesting that's sensible, or the same kind of uranium, etc.).

      Now, there are density issues, sinking, etc. to take into account but pretty much it's safer to drop Chernobyl's core into the ocean by ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE than to allow it to go nuclear on land.

      Plus, if you do it early enough, you don't have to worry about it going critical at all because a billion tons of water absorbs a lot of radiation and waste heat and pretty much brings all such reactions to a grinding halt.

      There's a reason that nuclear power is primarily used in power plants, and then in submarines. It's a pretty safe way to contain such things, much safer than in the air.

    3. Re:Sea by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2

      Which, pretty much, is an incredibly safe way to deal with it.
      No, it is super dumb.

      The waste is not going away but directly into the food chain ... no more fish for you. No more cattle fed with fish remains.

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    4. Re:Sea by bobbied · · Score: 1

      ACTUALLY....

      Not so stupid, compared to the damage done by having a radiological mess on land.

      Where I'd prefer we NOT have the mess and not willy-nilly dump nuclear waste into the ocean, if the choice is having a partially melted down reactor blow apart and burring on land near a major city, or having the option of towing the mess away and scuttling it in the middle of the ocean, I know what I'd choose.

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    5. Re:Sea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The primary reason it is used in submarines is that the vessel can run a very long time without refueling or even surfacing. Old subs used diesel/electric similar to locomotives, the sub could only run a relatively short time before they had to surface and use the diesel engines to recharge the batteries. They could not use the diesel engines while submerged deeper than periscope depth. Modern air purification techniques coupled with nuclear produced electricity means that a sub can remain submerged for over an entire year if necessary, such as in a time of war.

    6. Re:Sea by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Everyone would chose that.
      But it does not change the fact that it poisons the fish and ends up in the food chain.
      So: you actually stop fishing there, and later determine where else to stop because of migration.
      E.g. you would not want to eat salmon in paris that grew up in a nuclear trash pit north of Norway (yeah, bad example).

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    7. Re:Sea by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Like I said, I'd prefer to not dump stuff willy-nilly... But I can also see that nuclear waste, properly encased and sealed, could easily be dumped in places where the effect on fisheries and things on the food chain would be pretty much non-existent. This would be especially true for some deep convergence zones, where the radio active parts would decay before they reached any portion of the food chain. In fact, a number of nuclear reactors from sunken submarines are out there, with out much of an issue.

      The only "trick" would be to encase the really bad stuff in coverings what would last long enough but some ceramics and glass materials seem promising to me... AND making sure the stuff is left alone. The real problem with high level stuff tossed into international waters is that any fool can go snatch it up and purposely spread it out on land, or sea in an effort to make a mess, but that's another issue all together.

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  17. all your base by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    are head to artic

  18. calories per hour by rkordmaa · · Score: 1

    Eh? What are these people smoking, just use the damn watt for power output.

  19. Brilliant. by rew · · Score: 3, Funny

    So when something unexpected happend, like a few years back in Japan, you don't have the waste slowly seeping through the ground possibliy a little bit leaking into the ocean, but when something bad happens, the all the radioactive stuff is immediately in the water and you have a global problem. Nothing to worry about. We've thought about everything.... Right!

    1. Re:Brilliant. by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

      Sorry...I guess I should have scrolled allll the way down.

    2. Re:Brilliant. by FeelGood314 · · Score: 2

      Actually the problem in Japan was the rods melted. If they had been just dumped in the ocean it would have been fine. The radiation around those rods is only dangerous if you are within a few centimeters of them. You eventually have to retrieve the rods but you could safely wait a hundred years till they aren't as radio active.

  20. Genius! by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

    Spent fuel can simple be dropped straight into the ocean....like on an old train toilet. Once done the entire reactor is sunk without any need of expensive cleanup.

    1. Re:Genius! by ixuzus · · Score: 2

      Wait, they're dumping spent nuclear fuel rods in train toilets? I had already pretty much sworn off train toilets for entirely different reasons - I feel like I've dodged a bullet here. That being said it's probably the only thing that would sterilise an old train toilet.

    2. Re:Genius! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope but that nuclear waste blob that slides out your ass during the train ride after that 3am taco bell the night before sure enough splatters all over the tracks.

  21. Israel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In other news, the rogue, terrorist state of Israel continues the development of it's secretive nuclear weapons program whilst continuing to deny weapons inspectors entry to the Negev nuclear research center in Dimona, Israel.

    1. Re:Israel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, I've come to expect some Russia/US bashing here, but Iran/Israel? Seriously?

    2. Re:Israel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, just Israel. Iran is not a real threat to anyone.

    3. Re:Israel by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Nope, just Israel. Iran is not a real threat to anyone.

      Who are you trying to kid? Iran IS a threat with both nukes (in progress), chemical weapons and missiles... Maybe not a direct threat to the USA... Yet... but certainly a threat to our allies. They are also a threat to the straights where most of the world's crude oil gets hauled though and they could shut down shipping though there.

      Israel doesn't scare me, though I'm pretty sure they have nukes given to them by the USA... I suppose of you are intent on attacking Israel their nukes might be a threat to you, but they are not to me. Iran's development of nukes is a threat.

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  22. Form feet and legs! Form arms and body! by Daetrin · · Score: 1

    And I'll form the head to the Arctic!

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  23. Fukushima ... chernobyl ... 3 mile island. by fish_in_the_c · · Score: 2

    Time to poison an unknown distance of ocean capable of spreading radiated water through the out a large area.
    Oh well, the survival of the species is overrated anyhow.

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    1. Re:Fukushima ... chernobyl ... 3 mile island. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The sky has now fallen. Please have a drink to soothe your fears.

    2. Re:Fukushima ... chernobyl ... 3 mile island. by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

      You forgot all the nuclear powered ships and submarines.

    3. Re:Fukushima ... chernobyl ... 3 mile island. by sl3xd · · Score: 1

      In fairness, not all of nuclear ships & subs have melted down.

      But there have been a few...

      I don't recall any surface ships being lost, but that doesn't mean much...

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    4. Re:Fukushima ... chernobyl ... 3 mile island. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They have their own power and aren't flat like a rubber duck. This this could flip in a storm.

  24. Won't someone think of the environment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rather than having a dangerous nuclear reactor, a much better and environmentally friendly solution would be to have hundreds of leaking oil tankers carrying fuel to power a conventional power plant. They should do this tens of times a year. They should also build leaking holding tanks that will have to be abandoned when people leave.

    1. Re:Won't someone think of the environment? by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

      Great idea! I wish I had thought of it!

  25. news to me - or - more beet-eater mockery by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    Wait, Russia has nuclear aircraft carriers?
    Russia has air craft carriers? (plural?)

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  26. There was no collusion with Russia. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There was no collusion with Russia. The Dems are sore that Cooked Hillary lost. Outlaw and jail Dems. Crooked Dems.

  27. Re: Israel's 1st Lady is embroiled in corruption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But this distraction by her husband has NOTHING to do with his financial corruption disguised on her name.. oh no!

  28. Chernobyl With More Risk by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

    Why would you want the people who cooked themselves on the land to be doing it for everyone on the high seas?

  29. Prior art! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    we've floated a few of these, along with desalination plants, medical assets, and even logistical support, to disaster areas across the globe. Self propelled too!

    Starting with the Nimitz class and evolving to the Ford class :)

  30. Air Craft carriers and submerines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Other than it is not outfitted for war, this isn't too different than the USA aircraft carriers which are also floating power plants. In fact the USA has used them to power different coastal areas afflicted by disasters in several instances in the past.

  31. Units clash resolved by Tesseractic · · Score: 1

    "can generate up to 70 MW of electric energy and 50 Gcal/hr of heat energy..."

    That should be 70MW of electric POWER.

    50Gcal/hr comes out to almost 58MW of heating power, which they have to remove from the boat lest the heat exchangers, and probably other components, overheat.

    I guess they can just dump the heat into the water where they dock and introduce tropical fish there, and charge to snorkel with the fish. :-)

    1. Re:Units clash resolved by nojayuk · · Score: 1

      The two reactors on the barge are pressurised-water designs which are typically 30% efficient in converting heat into electrical power so they produce about 200MW of heat in total. Only part of the 140MW excess will be extracted as process heat for use ashore, the rest will be dumped into the dock water using skin heat exchangers in the submerged hull.

      Regular fossil-fuel powered ships use similar heat exchangers to provide a cooling solution for their engines as do nuclear-powered subs and ships -- the Ford-class carriers have two 150MW electrical reactors on board which again are about 30% efficient so at full power they'll produce about a gigawatt of heat requiring 700MW of heat dump although some might be used for heating on board. The Russian "Fifty Years of Victory" nuclear icebreaker that carries out tourist jaunts to the North Pole has two nuclear-heated saunas on-board.

  32. Horrible Idea, Possible Sneak Attack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What a Horrible Idea! Does anyone know what would happen if there was a Chernobyl style event in the Artic, over water??? A meltdown would cause an enormous explosion when it hit the water, throwing hundreds of tons of radioactive material and radioactive water into the atmosphere, which the jet stream would then blow it across most of the United States, thus poisoning two thirds of our country with radioactive fallout. A really smart dictator might realize this, and even plan an "Accident". "Oops, my bad, sorry I contaminated your country, but it was an accident, not an act of war. Sue us." Think about it. The damage done, what does the US do? With the whole world watching, do we start WW3 for revenge? Impossible to prove not an accident with the nuclear plant destroyed. Even if not intentional, it seem that starting up a large nuclear reactor over the water is a real hazard. Not the same as the small reactors used in naval vessels.

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