No contract until they bill you. Amazon don't bill you until it ships. Price cannot reasonably be thought to be correct.
Under UK law they have zero requirements to give this to you.
Quit whining:
Governing Law and Contract Formation
No contract will subsist between you and Amazon.co.uk* for the sale by it to you of any product unless and until Amazon.co.uk accepts your order by e-mail confirming that it has dispatched your product. That acceptance will be deemed complete and will be deemed for all purposes to have been effectively communicated to you at the time Amazon.co.uk sends the e-mail to you (whether or not you receive that e-mail). For the avoidance of doubt, any such contract will be deemed to have been concluded in the United States of America. Further, any such contract will be interpreted, construed and enforced in all respects in accordance with the laws of England, and you and Amazon.co.uk irrevocably submit to the non-exclusive jurisdiction of the English Courts. "
in the UK all the networks massively discount the handsets already for pay-monthly customers on the grounds they'll get it out of you in monthly charges. you can buy a p800 from www.expansys.co.uk not connected to a network already. it's 450 UKP.
orange sometimes discount if you threaten to leave: in this case they can't get the p800 in stock fast enough to supply demand. why would they discount it any further?
9210 doesn't do GPRS which kind of makes it pretty useless for mobile data: although there is a native telnet client.
synch on the p800 is great: better than WinCE/Palm, anyway.
If I want a portable boom-box style wifi device then I want just that. A handheld or a laptop won't pump out 10w or so of sound, and is a hell of a lot more expensive than a standard boom box. A mini ITX box doesn't run off batteries either, and non of them are ruggedised, have a radio, cd and maybe a tape deck in it either.
I really think a wifi enabled boombox fills a gap in the market.
To get a portable solution, next step is to get a 20UKP FM tranmitter to hook up to the music server. This means anything within 100 feet or so can tune into it: I can use a cheap old radio to listen to mp3s in the bath without the risk of drowning my laptop. I can also sit in the garden and listen to it without worrying someone will nick my laptop whilst I'm making a brew as well...
I already have a server with hundreds of MP3s connected to a stereo. I want to be able to listen to my mp3s whilst I'm in the kitchen, whilst I'm in the bath, wherever. A *portable* solution rocks: it's not meant to replace your main hifi, but to extend it. This is *exactly* what I wanted a few months ago when all I could find was the SliMP3, a separate amp and speakers and a wireless bridge-expensive and NOT PORTABLE.
this looks like a great product, I want one.
...what, you mean like using it to leak commercial information to your nation's companies for commercial gain? already happened! ask the french!
http://www.converge.org.nz/pma/sisaus.htm
Every office I've worked in....
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...in the last 5 years has been like this: people emailed their colleague in the next cubicle rather than just leaning over to talk to them.
What's new?
Why didn't Sony fit the PS2 with memory sticks instead of memory cards? They were around at the time, they're still proprietary enough for Sony to have control over and they'd have turned your PS2 into an MP3 player in the lounge for millions of people.
I don't like proprietary formats, but if they're going to have their own model instead of CF or SM then why not standardise?
And don't get me started about this new "Duo" format they put in cellphones...
3G? Balls. Big clunky phones, and no service provider support yet. It'll be good in a year or so, *maybe* but at the moment other than paying through the nose to download clips of Manchester United I can't see the point.
Give it a few months and UK phone companies will be *giving them away* with a new contract.
Got one: they frickin' rule.
Big touchscreen, high enough res to read slashdot whilst out and about, 640x480 camera that has a setting especially to let you take pics of TVs and monitors without flicker, synchs to Outlook/Notes, copes with Exchange Server mail in the office and separate POP3 whilst mobile. They're the first decent convergence device I've seen - Symbian OS, and there's a ton of software from Doom to VNC for them.
Apple iBook? $1200.
Per child.
Add in support, maintainance, software costs, etc and you're looking at quite an investment.
How many books or lower-spec laptops for that matter could you get for that?
An iBook's a luxury item, not an essential.
Whilst the Internet is a Great Thing, it's not the be-all and end-all, particularly for education. There have been countless studies investigating distance learning, hypermedia education and the like - hell, I did a PhD in one - that show it's probably not as effective as conventional teaching except in situations where, say, remote schools don't have enough physical resources there and use it in extreme cases.
I say that $1000 or whatever an ibook costs you there would probably be better spent on other stuff: why don't they build a computer cluster and spend some class time using desktop PCs there?
See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/482352.stm for more current discussion in the UK.
Ric
Does anyone think that if you had $37 *million dollars* to spend on education, then there might be better things to spend it on than ibooks? Like some more teachers, perhaps? Or a library?
Each ibook is going to have a finite life and a cost of ownership so they'll have to keep spending money hand over fist just to keep them running. Kids have learnt just fine without a laptop in the past: just because we *can* educate with a PC doesn't necessarily mean we *should*.
Ric
The P800 rocks, I have one on my desk.
Seamless synch with Notes or Outlook, simultaneous synch with separate pop3 mail via GPRS on the move, the whole shebang.
I've replaced my Ipaq with it and now carry one device. There's an SDK available as well.
They've even ported Doom to it.
Ric
In fact, let's stop any aircraft passing in or out of their borders. And any ballistic missiles too. In fact seal them in a big bubble so their Kyoto-protocol-breaking factories don't damage the ozone layer anymore. Leave them to it and perhaps us in the rest of the world can stop going mad and starting wars for peace, working on new and more exciting mini nuclear weapons (FFS!), and stop ruling that drug companies don't have to allow cheap licenced production of life-saving drugs to 3rd world countries.
A tyrannical, unelected despot who's admitted to developing Weapons Of Mass Destruction? It's the Smirking Chimp.
Right now, the majority of Joe Public doesn't need anything faster. Sure, give it a year or two and I'm sure the software companies will have come up with some big, fat application that needs a P5 5.0GHz machine and will convince them they can't live without one, or that their kids absolutely can't be educated without.
I stand by the argument that the majority of users *aren't* into video editing or (apart from gamers) in need of heavy hitting 3d performance.
For these guys, a nicely built 600MHz PIII *is* ok, just like you don't need a 2 ton, 15 miles to the gallon SUV to take your kids to school.
I think we've finally seen over the last year or so the point where the OSs and apps *can't* get any more bloaty: and so sales have plateaued.
You don't need anything more than, say, a 600mhz machine for Office, internet, email and just about anything a home user might want to do apart from 3d gaming (and you've got a ps2 or xbox for that, right?). This is a Good Thing.
The SliMP3 is cute, but to use it in, say, my kitchen I'd need a separate amp and speakers.
In my living room I stream MP3s to my surround sound setup via an FM radio transmitter on the back of the server box upstairs, controlled via VNC on iPAQ or laptop.
What I really want is something battery powered and portable that can stream mp3s off my home server wherever I go: this looks like it *might* be a possibility here - comments?
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1280x768 is plenty higher than a domestic TV, and people pay a fortune for plasma versions of them.
No contract until they bill you. Amazon don't bill you until it ships. Price cannot reasonably be thought to be correct. Under UK law they have zero requirements to give this to you. Quit whining: Governing Law and Contract Formation No contract will subsist between you and Amazon.co.uk* for the sale by it to you of any product unless and until Amazon.co.uk accepts your order by e-mail confirming that it has dispatched your product. That acceptance will be deemed complete and will be deemed for all purposes to have been effectively communicated to you at the time Amazon.co.uk sends the e-mail to you (whether or not you receive that e-mail). For the avoidance of doubt, any such contract will be deemed to have been concluded in the United States of America. Further, any such contract will be interpreted, construed and enforced in all respects in accordance with the laws of England, and you and Amazon.co.uk irrevocably submit to the non-exclusive jurisdiction of the English Courts. "
in the UK all the networks massively discount the handsets already for pay-monthly customers on the grounds they'll get it out of you in monthly charges. you can buy a p800 from www.expansys.co.uk not connected to a network already. it's 450 UKP. orange sometimes discount if you threaten to leave: in this case they can't get the p800 in stock fast enough to supply demand. why would they discount it any further?
9210 doesn't do GPRS which kind of makes it pretty useless for mobile data: although there is a native telnet client. synch on the p800 is great: better than WinCE/Palm, anyway.
If I want a portable boom-box style wifi device then I want just that. A handheld or a laptop won't pump out 10w or so of sound, and is a hell of a lot more expensive than a standard boom box. A mini ITX box doesn't run off batteries either, and non of them are ruggedised, have a radio, cd and maybe a tape deck in it either. I really think a wifi enabled boombox fills a gap in the market.
To get a portable solution, next step is to get a 20UKP FM tranmitter to hook up to the music server. This means anything within 100 feet or so can tune into it: I can use a cheap old radio to listen to mp3s in the bath without the risk of drowning my laptop. I can also sit in the garden and listen to it without worrying someone will nick my laptop whilst I'm making a brew as well...
I already have a server with hundreds of MP3s connected to a stereo. I want to be able to listen to my mp3s whilst I'm in the kitchen, whilst I'm in the bath, wherever. A *portable* solution rocks: it's not meant to replace your main hifi, but to extend it. This is *exactly* what I wanted a few months ago when all I could find was the SliMP3, a separate amp and speakers and a wireless bridge-expensive and NOT PORTABLE. this looks like a great product, I want one.
...and order of magnitude would be 10x faster. Yours was a pointless post and wrong too.
Ever heard of netstumbler? And the TIA's going to be really up for consumer military-grade crypto in the future? Christ on a bike.
...what, you mean like using it to leak commercial information to your nation's companies for commercial gain? already happened! ask the french! http://www.converge.org.nz/pma/sisaus.htm
...in the last 5 years has been like this: people emailed their colleague in the next cubicle rather than just leaning over to talk to them. What's new?
Why didn't Sony fit the PS2 with memory sticks instead of memory cards? They were around at the time, they're still proprietary enough for Sony to have control over and they'd have turned your PS2 into an MP3 player in the lounge for millions of people.
I don't like proprietary formats, but if they're going to have their own model instead of CF or SM then why not standardise?
And don't get me started about this new "Duo" format they put in cellphones...
3G? Balls. Big clunky phones, and no service provider support yet. It'll be good in a year or so, *maybe* but at the moment other than paying through the nose to download clips of Manchester United I can't see the point. Give it a few months and UK phone companies will be *giving them away* with a new contract.
Got one: they frickin' rule.
Big touchscreen, high enough res to read slashdot whilst out and about, 640x480 camera that has a setting especially to let you take pics of TVs and monitors without flicker, synchs to Outlook/Notes, copes with Exchange Server mail in the office and separate POP3 whilst mobile. They're the first decent convergence device I've seen - Symbian OS, and there's a ton of software from Doom to VNC for them.
Apple iBook? $1200.
Per child.
Add in support, maintainance, software costs, etc and you're looking at quite an investment.
How many books or lower-spec laptops for that matter could you get for that?
An iBook's a luxury item, not an essential.
I say that $1000 or whatever an ibook costs you there would probably be better spent on other stuff: why don't they build a computer cluster and spend some class time using desktop PCs there?
See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/482352.stm for more current discussion in the UK. Ric
Does anyone think that if you had $37 *million dollars* to spend on education, then there might be better things to spend it on than ibooks? Like some more teachers, perhaps? Or a library? Each ibook is going to have a finite life and a cost of ownership so they'll have to keep spending money hand over fist just to keep them running. Kids have learnt just fine without a laptop in the past: just because we *can* educate with a PC doesn't necessarily mean we *should*. Ric
The P800 rocks, I have one on my desk. Seamless synch with Notes or Outlook, simultaneous synch with separate pop3 mail via GPRS on the move, the whole shebang. I've replaced my Ipaq with it and now carry one device. There's an SDK available as well. They've even ported Doom to it. Ric
It's illegal if not as they're either posing as them...
I want one that can stop Number 6 escaping by air, road or water in a bad-special-effects kind of way
And any ballistic missiles too.
In fact seal them in a big bubble so their Kyoto-protocol-breaking factories don't damage the ozone layer anymore. Leave them to it and perhaps us in the rest of the world can stop going mad and starting wars for peace, working on new and more exciting mini nuclear weapons (FFS!), and stop ruling that drug companies don't have to allow cheap licenced production of life-saving drugs to 3rd world countries.
A tyrannical, unelected despot who's admitted to developing Weapons Of Mass Destruction? It's the Smirking Chimp.
I stand by the argument that the majority of users *aren't* into video editing or (apart from gamers) in need of heavy hitting 3d performance.
For these guys, a nicely built 600MHz PIII *is* ok, just like you don't need a 2 ton, 15 miles to the gallon SUV to take your kids to school.
I think we've finally seen over the last year or so the point where the OSs and apps *can't* get any more bloaty: and so sales have plateaued. You don't need anything more than, say, a 600mhz machine for Office, internet, email and just about anything a home user might want to do apart from 3d gaming (and you've got a ps2 or xbox for that, right?). This is a Good Thing.
The SliMP3 is cute, but to use it in, say, my kitchen I'd need a separate amp and speakers. In my living room I stream MP3s to my surround sound setup via an FM radio transmitter on the back of the server box upstairs, controlled via VNC on iPAQ or laptop. What I really want is something battery powered and portable that can stream mp3s off my home server wherever I go: this looks like it *might* be a possibility here - comments?
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