since when is EU=Europe? he said European, nu EUROpean:P Eventhough everybody is using the term Europe instead of EU nowadays, now where the new memberstates joins the union next month.
I remember back in the late 80's and early 90's here in Denmark (some European country:P) where crackers were plenty (today there is only scriptkiddies left, thank you MS).
Many of those got to prison for one or two years, and afterwards got a nicely paid job at a large computer security company, if they didn't start it themselves. I remember the medias always telling this, and actually indirectly encouraging more people to do cracking (or spawning even more scriptkiddies), just to prove security holes. Pretty much ironic, but these people are probably the best for this kind of job.
Cultures like 2600, CCC, cDc are not only experimenting chaos-theories, but also contributing to more secure computing. Testing is the only way to find security lacks.
that is pretty ignorant for the cause of the global environment, which keeps Bush running. Funny enough it is the higher prices and government interference that made new technologies and thereby created a lot of new jobs in my country in the windmill industry. By having restrains creativity rises.
Remember that the "western world" still "decides" what products and technology to be used. Some (most) products will go to 3.world countries (or whatever they are called groupwise) for production, but other are superwised by our experience.
But since the "western world" appearently have lost much of its creativity, the rest of the world slowly gets up to "our" level and thereby we will become equal competetive, and the old west-vs-east and rich-vs-poor discussion will be history. Maybe we are getting so fat and tired that they will leave us in the cold (so far we have done the same to them by import restrictions and much other shit).
I am in the believe that Joe Sixpack shouldn't touch computer at all, since he is the one who spreads viruses, worms and create network-disruptions because of his ignorance on computers.
If you don't have the proper education to use a computer, then you shouldn't use it. Nobody should use a car without a license, I account the same with computers, just that slackware, debian and gentoo helps you to learn it yourselves.
Mandrake, Redhat, SuSE and other "ignorant"-desktop-a-like systems, which promise easy setup, but leaves the user without any knowledge on the "real" setup of the computer.
Everyone is using the "Joe Sixpack" and "Grandma" metaphors, and I agree that they should be part of the information "super-highway", but they can use some kind of minimal browser-system (like a tv-setup-box), until they feel ready to learn computing.
and note that we (the typical gentoo-users) discussed this half a year ago. This is what Gentoo really is about: a great user-community through the forums, irc and mailinglists.
A lot of (what many people believe is l33t) discussion on the latest technologies and newest software is going on here, which is why I choosed Gentoo Linux (well, LFS was too much of a hasle to upgrade, and Debian just says fuck off or RTFM, where a typical gentoo-user shows you a helping hand, which creates even more helping hands, like me:)
Well, Hitler (or more likely his party, it seems that everyone believed he controlled it all in the beginning) didn't have much control about anything, he was a front-figure to an ideology he had written a manifest for. The party was "elected" because they took control over the social-democrats and thereby used them as a puppet. Much like other near-fascists gets "elected" by faking ballots or using their rich families and friends, millions of people around the world have suffered for their ideologies too. Fascism lives on pretty well still today, eventhough one the biggest rule falled apart just 10 years ago.
At that time everyone had free speech, as today, in Germany and most of Europe, the only lack they had was money and food, created by the "western world" of that time, as a punishment for First World War.
Well, this was totally offtopic, and getting back to MS, it is not fascism, it is capitalism (pretty close, but democratic in the way it is treaded). Monopolism is the bad side of capitalism, which liberalism is fighting against, with regulations and such.
After writing this, I believe it should have been written to the parent, sorry but believing fascism was happening 50 years ago (and using the jews in a response, what about the other millions of slavic people or political opponents), was to hard to resist not to respond to.
also more important for using Windows Update is an Internet connection. Many I know of (in the category: dad, uncle, other computer-enthuastic-but-not-knowing-anything-about -it) maybe only have 33Kbit modem or not even any. Surely I told them about Windows Update, but then the get affraid about their telephone-bill (it's not cheap here). The 3l33t or script-kiddies (which all windows-user really are:P) are using their DSL, and update frequently.
X != XFree86. There are already some forks, that is nearing productivity level: Freedesktop's XServer (KDrive), Freedesktop's XFree86 (XFree 4.3) and Xouvert (XFree86 4.4CVS), all three compatible with GPL.
well, maybe you should read the installation instructions, before you misguide people. Gentoo Linux has a GRP-system, where you do not need to compile a system, to get it working. The installation can be done in three different ways: 1. All packages compiled, 2. Some packages compiled, 3. No packages compiled. I even seen Gentoo run on 233MHz and heard about 133MHz, even 66Mhz! Maybe you won't run KDE/GNOME on them (eventhough possible, X runs on everything), but they can make nice small servers or give power with a distributed kernel (read OpenMosix).
600MHz - 1GHz is pretty suffient for even greater tasks (I plan to use a mini-itx as a PVR with Gentoo).
they probably don't know who made them, but they surely know who planted them. BTW, it can be their own goverment or local gurilla-groups who planted them. Generally you are right, because countries, who has got to the level of medias (meaning interest for media, not survival), will blame them or the "inofficial" sellers (agencies) for doing something like this.
If companies are in the need of this, then they should make their own kernel-tree, it cannot be the concern of kernel.org developers. They are designing by the evolution of patches.
OSS was not invented to sell products or even to maintain static companies, it was made to give users (and developers) more control and insight of their software. OSS is an evolution, not static products, who has unlimited backwardscompatibility (if any exists). I am not saying that the kernel-team are not trying to keep it, just that at times it would not make the kernel very "clean". But talking about static drivers, many are (if it works, why fix it?). I have looked into the sources of some a few years ago, and today they still look the same, the changes are in the API. BTW, you wont find many projects that keeps old trees alive (2.2 still maintained), and nothing is keeping the companies (who are in badly need of old kernels) to maintain them themselves (except the tight budget).
I don't really care that IBM is making money on Linux, that is a companys purpose. What is really interesting is that they want to give their knowledgde to the community, and the community pays back with better karma. I am maybe too young to acknowledge the monopoly IBM, since I always liked their high leverage of development (real development, not MS development).
Somewhat true, because I have no idea about what country has the best favour, Denmark or Hungary... typically it is the prosecutor that choose (I was thinking about a dispute when Kiss would sell something, then they had the right, my law-learnings are getting a bit rusty;). But at least I showed you what the developers can get, if they choose to do it in a Danish courtroom. mplayer had written directly to the main headquaters in Denmark, so I don't think they would take it in another court than these two countries. Also mplayer has a good case in Denmark, since the story is on most IT-newspapers/sites frontpages.
well, I'm not much of a nerd, than I am a interface/usability researcher.
Real nerds talks about that "you just could patch your windows-system instead of complaining about security-issues". Linux-distributions are mainly build with security in mind, mainly because the users demands it (yeah, I know that the users are up to 60% nerds, but things are changing).
I don't really care about mass market, since I am not a company selling OS-software, nor will I ever do that. ATM I am a user, not a marketing-employee ready to invade a already skimmed market. So markets has none of my interest, when I turn my computer on.
I am taking it from a usability-view, and text written is faster to learn than to click on several buttons including guide-controlled installations. I even help users in my sparetime to install Gentoo Linux, and they cannot see the hardness in using a console. It is about time we bring the 1980's back, because somebody fscked up the 1990's (actually many did). Even a usability-marketed product like Mac OS X put a terminal into their product. And I haven't seen many Win2k-admins, who can live without a command-prompt yet.
The Linux community is btw its advantage, and what OSS is all about. I have been researching with User Centrede Design-principles, and it is about time that it is the users, who help designing the products, and not a marketing guy, who found a buzz-word on the Internet/television.
This is probably the last reply from me, I don't want to loose that many points for such an offtopic post;)
Well, I did the same for a period too, but that was from 1998-2000... In this period Linux was mainly for servers, and servers were/is not my main interest. Moving to 2002-2004, I mainly use Linux on my desktop, by trying out different distributions and ended by Gentoo Linux (mainly because I learned the magic of autotools, but too lazy to upgrade/check dependencies). MS gives me nothing, I couldn't get on the linux-platform (except a large amount of vira, popups and worms), but it is mainly a change of perspective. When you (re)learned the power of the shell, the clicky-li-click is passe, since one or two lines of text seems easier to do and learn.
If KissTech really is guilty of this, please accept my apologies on behalf of Denmark:-/
Mine too.
I actually like our consolidated act before that Brian Mikkelsen destroyed it all (if you don't him, he is a pretty irritating figure in Danish political life, eventhough he is visionary at times).
There are several interest-groups in Denmark fighting for free software and linux, so a cheap/free process shouldn't be hard to get.
In Denmark (I expect that the company has a clausule on wanting every dispute settled in a Danish court) you can get a free process, if the prosecutor (sorry about my bad English) has an income lower than 220,000 DKK. Hopefully the mplayer-guys are "poor" (European Standards, you know), but I think a non-profit-organisation says it all?
Funny you brought that up, I was watching the "National Crisis" on Danish television (Lego is pretty big for Danish dimensions:P) and a toystore-owner were saying some words on why Lego didn't succeed the last couple of years.
One point was that Duplo is so a wellknown name by the consumers (parents) than the new word "LEGO Explorer", which confused them so much that they wouldn't buy it. Lego Mindstorms has basically only been sold for Universities around the world, where Engineers among other geeky types has used them for introduction studies to programming for the "real world".
Lego is pretty widespread (at least in Denmark) with Modular (Signs and organisation-charts), a project to give creativity back to employees and so on. These projects are pretty popular and making good profit, but the market physical toys is dying slowly, so Lego says:\
ahem, Denmark is not part of the Euro, but it is part of the Monetary Union, and thereby bound to the Euro (with minimal differences). When the Euro/US goes up, the DKK/US also goes up (eventhough it is a decision taken in Denmark, the union demands fast response).
well, it is not a problem in the country, where Kiss is produced. In Denmark it is legal to break the DVD/css-code, so the statement from our Government (our media-law), to also let Linux benefit from running DVDs (funny that even Linux is mentioned in the statement:). The problem is probably when they sell it to other countries, like the US. But breaking the GPL is another issue and much bigger issue, at least in Denmark.
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since when is EU=Europe? he said European, nu EUROpean :P Eventhough everybody is using the term Europe instead of EU nowadays, now where the new memberstates joins the union next month.
I remember back in the late 80's and early 90's here in Denmark (some European country :P) where crackers were plenty (today there is only scriptkiddies left, thank you MS).
Many of those got to prison for one or two years, and afterwards got a nicely paid job at a large computer security company, if they didn't start it themselves. I remember the medias always telling this, and actually indirectly encouraging more people to do cracking (or spawning even more scriptkiddies), just to prove security holes. Pretty much ironic, but these people are probably the best for this kind of job.
Cultures like 2600, CCC, cDc are not only experimenting chaos-theories, but also contributing to more secure computing. Testing is the only way to find security lacks.
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what a nice cup of FUD, got cream with that?
that is pretty ignorant for the cause of the global environment, which keeps Bush running. Funny enough it is the higher prices and government interference that made new technologies and thereby created a lot of new jobs in my country in the windmill industry. By having restrains creativity rises.
Remember that the "western world" still "decides" what products and technology to be used. Some (most) products will go to 3.world countries (or whatever they are called groupwise) for production, but other are superwised by our experience.
But since the "western world" appearently have lost much of its creativity, the rest of the world slowly gets up to "our" level and thereby we will become equal competetive, and the old west-vs-east and rich-vs-poor discussion will be history. Maybe we are getting so fat and tired that they will leave us in the cold (so far we have done the same to them by import restrictions and much other shit).
I am in the believe that Joe Sixpack shouldn't touch computer at all, since he is the one who spreads viruses, worms and create network-disruptions because of his ignorance on computers.
If you don't have the proper education to use a computer, then you shouldn't use it. Nobody should use a car without a license, I account the same with computers, just that slackware, debian and gentoo helps you to learn it yourselves.
Mandrake, Redhat, SuSE and other "ignorant"-desktop-a-like systems, which promise easy setup, but leaves the user without any knowledge on the "real" setup of the computer.
Everyone is using the "Joe Sixpack" and "Grandma" metaphors, and I agree that they should be part of the information "super-highway", but they can use some kind of minimal browser-system (like a tv-setup-box), until they feel ready to learn computing.
and note that we (the typical gentoo-users) discussed this half a year ago. This is what Gentoo really is about: a great user-community through the forums, irc and mailinglists.
:)
A lot of (what many people believe is l33t) discussion on the latest technologies and newest software is going on here, which is why I choosed Gentoo Linux (well, LFS was too much of a hasle to upgrade, and Debian just says fuck off or RTFM, where a typical gentoo-user shows you a helping hand, which creates even more helping hands, like me
Well, Hitler (or more likely his party, it seems that everyone believed he controlled it all in the beginning) didn't have much control about anything, he was a front-figure to an ideology he had written a manifest for. The party was "elected" because they took control over the social-democrats and thereby used them as a puppet. Much like other near-fascists gets "elected" by faking ballots or using their rich families and friends, millions of people around the world have suffered for their ideologies too. Fascism lives on pretty well still today, eventhough one the biggest rule falled apart just 10 years ago. At that time everyone had free speech, as today, in Germany and most of Europe, the only lack they had was money and food, created by the "western world" of that time, as a punishment for First World War. Well, this was totally offtopic, and getting back to MS, it is not fascism, it is capitalism (pretty close, but democratic in the way it is treaded). Monopolism is the bad side of capitalism, which liberalism is fighting against, with regulations and such. After writing this, I believe it should have been written to the parent, sorry but believing fascism was happening 50 years ago (and using the jews in a response, what about the other millions of slavic people or political opponents), was to hard to resist not to respond to.
How would you import it? either it will be stopped or highly taxed at the first EU-border it meets.
also more important for using Windows Update is an Internet connection. Many I know of (in the category: dad, uncle, other computer-enthuastic-but-not-knowing-anything-about -it) maybe only have 33Kbit modem or not even any. Surely I told them about Windows Update, but then the get affraid about their telephone-bill (it's not cheap here). The 3l33t or script-kiddies (which all windows-user really are :P) are using their DSL, and update frequently.
X != XFree86. There are already some forks, that is nearing productivity level: Freedesktop's XServer (KDrive), Freedesktop's XFree86 (XFree 4.3) and Xouvert (XFree86 4.4CVS), all three compatible with GPL.
well, maybe you should read the installation instructions, before you misguide people. Gentoo Linux has a GRP-system, where you do not need to compile a system, to get it working. The installation can be done in three different ways: 1. All packages compiled, 2. Some packages compiled, 3. No packages compiled. I even seen Gentoo run on 233MHz and heard about 133MHz, even 66Mhz! Maybe you won't run KDE/GNOME on them (eventhough possible, X runs on everything), but they can make nice small servers or give power with a distributed kernel (read OpenMosix). 600MHz - 1GHz is pretty suffient for even greater tasks (I plan to use a mini-itx as a PVR with Gentoo).
I would akse my parents too, if they were lawyers :P sorry, couldn't resist
they probably don't know who made them, but they surely know who planted them. BTW, it can be their own goverment or local gurilla-groups who planted them. Generally you are right, because countries, who has got to the level of medias (meaning interest for media, not survival), will blame them or the "inofficial" sellers (agencies) for doing something like this.
If companies are in the need of this, then they should make their own kernel-tree, it cannot be the concern of kernel.org developers. They are designing by the evolution of patches. OSS was not invented to sell products or even to maintain static companies, it was made to give users (and developers) more control and insight of their software. OSS is an evolution, not static products, who has unlimited backwardscompatibility (if any exists). I am not saying that the kernel-team are not trying to keep it, just that at times it would not make the kernel very "clean". But talking about static drivers, many are (if it works, why fix it?). I have looked into the sources of some a few years ago, and today they still look the same, the changes are in the API. BTW, you wont find many projects that keeps old trees alive (2.2 still maintained), and nothing is keeping the companies (who are in badly need of old kernels) to maintain them themselves (except the tight budget).
I don't really care that IBM is making money on Linux, that is a companys purpose. What is really interesting is that they want to give their knowledgde to the community, and the community pays back with better karma. I am maybe too young to acknowledge the monopoly IBM, since I always liked their high leverage of development (real development, not MS development).
Somewhat true, because I have no idea about what country has the best favour, Denmark or Hungary ... typically it is the prosecutor that choose (I was thinking about a dispute when Kiss would sell something, then they had the right, my law-learnings are getting a bit rusty ;). But at least I showed you what the developers can get, if they choose to do it in a Danish courtroom. mplayer had written directly to the main headquaters in Denmark, so I don't think they would take it in another court than these two countries. Also mplayer has a good case in Denmark, since the story is on most IT-newspapers/sites frontpages.
well, I'm not much of a nerd, than I am a interface/usability researcher.
;)
Real nerds talks about that "you just could patch your windows-system instead of complaining about security-issues". Linux-distributions are mainly build with security in mind, mainly because the users demands it (yeah, I know that the users are up to 60% nerds, but things are changing).
I don't really care about mass market, since I am not a company selling OS-software, nor will I ever do that. ATM I am a user, not a marketing-employee ready to invade a already skimmed market. So markets has none of my interest, when I turn my computer on.
I am taking it from a usability-view, and text written is faster to learn than to click on several buttons including guide-controlled installations. I even help users in my sparetime to install Gentoo Linux, and they cannot see the hardness in using a console. It is about time we bring the 1980's back, because somebody fscked up the 1990's (actually many did). Even a usability-marketed product like Mac OS X put a terminal into their product. And I haven't seen many Win2k-admins, who can live without a command-prompt yet.
The Linux community is btw its advantage, and what OSS is all about. I have been researching with User Centrede Design-principles, and it is about time that it is the users, who help designing the products, and not a marketing guy, who found a buzz-word on the Internet/television.
This is probably the last reply from me, I don't want to loose that many points for such an offtopic post
Well, I did the same for a period too, but that was from 1998-2000 ... In this period Linux was mainly for servers, and servers were/is not my main interest. Moving to 2002-2004, I mainly use Linux on my desktop, by trying out different distributions and ended by Gentoo Linux (mainly because I learned the magic of autotools, but too lazy to upgrade/check dependencies). MS gives me nothing, I couldn't get on the linux-platform (except a large amount of vira, popups and worms), but it is mainly a change of perspective. When you (re)learned the power of the shell, the clicky-li-click is passe, since one or two lines of text seems easier to do and learn.
If KissTech really is guilty of this, please accept my apologies on behalf of Denmark :-/
Mine too.
I actually like our consolidated act before that Brian Mikkelsen destroyed it all (if you don't him, he is a pretty irritating figure in Danish political life, eventhough he is visionary at times).
There are several interest-groups in Denmark fighting for free software and linux, so a cheap/free process shouldn't be hard to get.
In Denmark (I expect that the company has a clausule on wanting every dispute settled in a Danish court) you can get a free process, if the prosecutor (sorry about my bad English) has an income lower than 220,000 DKK. Hopefully the mplayer-guys are "poor" (European Standards, you know), but I think a non-profit-organisation says it all?
Funny you brought that up, I was watching the "National Crisis" on Danish television (Lego is pretty big for Danish dimensions :P) and a toystore-owner were saying some words on why Lego didn't succeed the last couple of years.
:\
One point was that Duplo is so a wellknown name by the consumers (parents) than the new word "LEGO Explorer", which confused them so much that they wouldn't buy it. Lego Mindstorms has basically only been sold for Universities around the world, where Engineers among other geeky types has used them for introduction studies to programming for the "real world".
Lego is pretty widespread (at least in Denmark) with Modular (Signs and organisation-charts), a project to give creativity back to employees and so on. These projects are pretty popular and making good profit, but the market physical toys is dying slowly, so Lego says
ahem, Denmark is not part of the Euro, but it is part of the Monetary Union, and thereby bound to the Euro (with minimal differences). When the Euro/US goes up, the DKK/US also goes up (eventhough it is a decision taken in Denmark, the union demands fast response).
well, it is not a problem in the country, where Kiss is produced. In Denmark it is legal to break the DVD/css-code, so the statement from our Government (our media-law), to also let Linux benefit from running DVDs (funny that even Linux is mentioned in the statement :). The problem is probably when they sell it to other countries, like the US. But breaking the GPL is another issue and much bigger issue, at least in Denmark.