exactly my point... he didn't update his modutils, and still he complains about it. It will not break anything! (rtff -- read the f* forums) and for the best, don't use modules at all... well, except for the annoying nvidia-closesourced kernel:( . Modules are a security-risk, since a cracker can attach a new tainted module to your kernel, if he gets through.
ok, I already discussed here, so I couldn't rate you as troll. What you are writing is just clean olde FUD! I use Gentoo with 2.6 since test-2, and the switch was unbelievable easy. emerge development-sources & make menuconfig & make & make_modules_install & make install... if you use grub, you can just reboot and see the result. If you have a nvidia-card, like me, emerge the latest version, and remember to emerge the latest alsa and iptables, if you use it. Painless!
I think the word you are looking for is: less informative... not that I had any build-errors (since 2.6-test2), but I like to know _what_ when wrong (directly, not reading a file afterwards:P)
I have no idea about how Arch works, but individuality is not the purpose for CVS. It is a collaborative revision-system, where people can share and work together on the same documents. I know that CVS is used for more than that, and Arch could probably help there, but it is not a discussion for CVS.
again! It was not Gentoo's server or anything... it was a third-party rsync server mirror (there are many). Gentoo has told all their mirrors to update to rsync 2.5.7, but they cannot know how every machine is setup around the world. They can make some guidelines to the mirror-hosts, but it is up to them to comply to it, to be a official mirror-site.
There is no international agreements of what I heard of... my local media-council has to decide the channels, going up to the government to discuss with the local governments i Germany (Schleswig Holstein and Mecklenburg-Vorpommern), which probably discuss with their local media-council or so (I am guessing here)... We just launched two new nationwide radio-stations, so we have to "clean" up the FM later on anyway (DVB runs in the further area of FM). What I really am talking about is the television (not sure why I talked about radio, probably too sleepy:)
well, it is because of the latency in Germany that Denmark still waits for Digital broadcasting (as usual, we copy any standard the Germans choose). Digital radio hasn't spread that much for the same reasons (cannot go too far south, since the Germans still hasn't decided what channels they are going to use). As usual the Norwegians and Swedish can implement without having to think too much of this. Too bad that the "south" is going so slow these days, but at least the EU will put some pressure on, since all of EU has to switch to digital broadcasting by 2007 (and stopping analogue television, but since Denmark has to wait so long before we can make tests, we still allow it for some period after).
After this rant, I can say that I like digital television, I had a decoder on cable in 1998 and watched a couple of programs plus the EPG (costly though). The quality is great, even when i taped it on my mothers old vcr the quality was better than the movies I got from a store. If you haven't read Donald Normans "Invisible Computer", I can tell that he talks about the issues digital television will bring us. When the signal disappears (even slowly) the effect is much different from analogue. At least you could have seen a program with "snow" on, but in digital it will either be huge blocks (like it happens on cable already) or a black screen (talking bsod here:) It must be harder and more costly to keep the system running at a high perfection, but then of course there is room for more channels (and more commercials, if it isn't payperview).
Actually, if he said the opposite, I would call it for some kind of racism (not that I would). Employing poor people in poor countries would "force" people in the rich countries to get more "educated" work (and the rich/poor mismatch would be greater)... but luckily it is not true, the poor would get more money in the hands by even a sh1tty job, increasing their life-conditions (much better than laying in the streets without food).
I don't think that the Americans can live without half the consumer-products they buy everyday. There is already a trade-cold-war situation between the EU and the USA. The EU have many regulations to protect people, and many agree it is necessary, when living in a capitalistic society. We don't import any meat from the US, because it cannot be guarantied to be without extra hormons. The EU is just starting to make regulations and laws in the IT-sector, which has started with the patency-system a.so. (not that I liked that start, but at least the people was heard and changes were made in last minute (months in EU-time:) It is easy to call the EU a lobby-controlled organisation, but harder to tell the reason behind it.
well, in a fire, people can run away... if you blast 200,000 people away, they haven't got much of a choice. Surely the 190,000 poor people at the time could have had a difficult time building a decent home again (if they ever had a shack to live in).
I never got the feeling that the linux kernel is like the windows kernel32... I think he likes KDE because it is trying to move things (like windows is trying to), instead of GNOME, who wants to be perfect and clean (like Apple). Cloning windows/apple is only done because they in a hurry (if you call 5 years fast) wanted to create a usable desktop. Now that OSS is at the point of looking like Windows/Apple, the development can go even further and maybe in new innovative directions.
well, be sure to use the right words. The GPL source code is to be distributed for free or at a non-profit price (e.g. CD + distribution). But it is true that if you sell binaries on a boxed CD, you could just include the sc on it. To get a big community (and survival in OSS words) the developers use the Internet for (free?) distribution and sharing with other developers (giving back improvements).
If you speak Danish, instead of the mailling-list (3 people subscribed), take a look at this site.
I don't know how other countries deal with software-patents, but in Denmark we discuss every detail in the parlament (it is very unlikely that you can gain anything through lawyers). Just a fast browse on the page, and I found that even discussions about Konquorer and Mozilla Browsers have found their way into a Board-meeting. The answer is pretty bad, since the Economy&Residence-minister (who are the responsible in this case) is educated Policeman, and have not much knowledge about these issues. This is the general problem with the government (and I don't mean the administration, only the ministers), and this makes it easier to influence them.
The Kingdom of Denmark is actually located both in Europe and North America (we gave up on Wineland aka New Foundland). It includes Denmark, The Faroe Islands and Greenland. The country and state Denmark is the "little hat" you see on top of Germany. And happy to tell this, we are still feared in east-England because of our past (even the CIA calls us raiders!:)
I must say that I am a bit confused. Not long time ago our "beloved" government (I even voted for them) were in favor of software patents and the use of industry standard software (read Microsoft)... Open Source has been discussed in the Danish parlament for some years, even before the current government (2 years old in a month). The former government promised to change all state-institutions to OSS, but still nothing has happened. SSLUG (Skane Sjaelland Linux User Group, biggest LUG in Denmark) have had some discussions on this topic without much succes... but saying this, I am looking forward to a initiative from our very quiet IT-minister. The report is from the Board of Technology, that have many good and forgotten discussions.
Apple switched to CUPS, actually to get a much larger driver-base than the current one. Some were left out in the cold, but I think they can live with it. For an older Epson A1-printer, I had to install GIMP-Print and ESP, but then it works great... I couldn't use the printer in OSX at all before the change to CUPS.
Just to say... IE is NOT a free app. You paid for it, when you paid for Windows. You did read the agreement before you pressed yes, didn't you? That is why it is illegal to download and install it on Wine (since you didn't pay for a M$ OS).
This could be about the corruption they have in the commission? They blamed it on the workers, but surely the commissioner should take the blame on himself, like ministers does it in our governments (well, mostly). Maybe they are affraid of using any money at the moment, because of this event lately.
BTW, typically the EU never tell what particular institution that pays for a project... this is a first for me (could be wrong, though)
In Sweden, Europe the state is also controlling the alcohol sales (both liquour and beer!) by having to go into special shops to buy these. It is called "Systembolaget" (the System Corporation) and the reason is to limit alcoholism in Sweden. Doesn't work though... they take the ferry or the newly build bridge to Denmark and smuggle all kind of stuff back (mainly the price is the reason for the customers, Denmark just lowered liquour-prices with 20-30%, because we buy most of our liquour in Germany(even cheaper)).
Somebody had put some complains in the European Court for this system, since nobody can compete on prices in Sweden. But the EU have a charter on "Health/Environment before Competition", so Sweden can still continue.
Linux is not a viable alternative on the desktop simply because it is not public. The users cannot just get an fast'n'dirty education in OSS the same way as Windows.
If X11 is so bad, why haven't every geek moved to the alternatives and started to support those projects instead.
I agree that Win32 will be a relic of the past, but I hope that.GNU will succeed over.NET, and thereby Microsoft will be a relic of the past.
The typical Linux user has not got much inability to accept change, he or she typically browse through their options (e.g. KDE, GNOME, *box when talking about GUI) and use what they like for some time (maybe forever)... while a typical windows-user would install office, winamp (some have switched to media player) and divx for basic use. Linux users may have difficulties to start using it, but they learn a whole bunch more, when they do (not many people are quitters).
exactly... there is a great need for corporate education for any OS out there. I know my dad got angry about the change of the layout in Windows XP, and the compatibility problems between different office-packages (he has 97, 2000 and XP, running on various machines). For the first time I heard the word, which I normally only hear from my friends: "Bill Gates should be shot for what he does to us". Luckily he heard that small companies in the area switch to Linux instead, and he is about to consider. Now, if he only could get some lateschool-education or so, he would do the switch immidiately. One example is that the Danish government (used to) pay a lot of money for companies to educate Windows-users. I say it is about time they give people the knowledge of choices: Apple, Linux distros, *BSD distros, Hurd and so on. Only geeks and 3l33t knows about those alternatives, if you not already are a minority report (like Apple=designers).
I know you don't want to sound like a troll, but ignorance or misinformation typically create that image. I accept the fact that we need a better admin-system in *nices, since we only have root... it should be allowed to be divided.
It is true that a virus doesn't need root-access to replicate itself on a network, but it need it to infect system-files, which windows cannot guard against. Like on a windows-machine, Linux users are also obligated to download a virus-scanner (eventhough I have never found any in the 7 years running a linux machine), which can be done for free (e.g. f-prot). Worms is another issue, and only a good firewall can protect against this (like on a windows machine).
also by the side of IPSEC, cryptoapi/loop is shipped with the kernel, making it easier to encrypt your disks (eventhough it needs a newer util-linux, which has less options, like weird ways to choose different bits).
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exactly my point ... he didn't update his modutils, and still he complains about it. It will not break anything! (rtff -- read the f* forums) and for the best, don't use modules at all ... well, except for the annoying nvidia-closesourced kernel :( . Modules are a security-risk, since a cracker can attach a new tainted module to your kernel, if he gets through.
ok, I already discussed here, so I couldn't rate you as troll. What you are writing is just clean olde FUD! I use Gentoo with 2.6 since test-2, and the switch was unbelievable easy. emerge development-sources & make menuconfig & make & make_modules_install & make install ... if you use grub, you can just reboot and see the result. If you have a nvidia-card, like me, emerge the latest version, and remember to emerge the latest alsa and iptables, if you use it. Painless!
I think the word you are looking for is: less informative ... not that I had any build-errors (since 2.6-test2), but I like to know _what_ when wrong (directly, not reading a file afterwards :P)
I have no idea about how Arch works, but individuality is not the purpose for CVS. It is a collaborative revision-system, where people can share and work together on the same documents. I know that CVS is used for more than that, and Arch could probably help there, but it is not a discussion for CVS.
again! It was not Gentoo's server or anything ... it was a third-party rsync server mirror (there are many). Gentoo has told all their mirrors to update to rsync 2.5.7, but they cannot know how every machine is setup around the world. They can make some guidelines to the mirror-hosts, but it is up to them to comply to it, to be a official mirror-site.
well, I was a bit tired writing it :)
... my local media-council has to decide the channels, going up to the government to discuss with the local governments i Germany (Schleswig Holstein and Mecklenburg-Vorpommern), which probably discuss with their local media-council or so (I am guessing here) ... We just launched two new nationwide radio-stations, so we have to "clean" up the FM later on anyway (DVB runs in the further area of FM). What I really am talking about is the television (not sure why I talked about radio, probably too sleepy :)
There is no international agreements of what I heard of
well, it is because of the latency in Germany that Denmark still waits for Digital broadcasting (as usual, we copy any standard the Germans choose). Digital radio hasn't spread that much for the same reasons (cannot go too far south, since the Germans still hasn't decided what channels they are going to use). As usual the Norwegians and Swedish can implement without having to think too much of this. Too bad that the "south" is going so slow these days, but at least the EU will put some pressure on, since all of EU has to switch to digital broadcasting by 2007 (and stopping analogue television, but since Denmark has to wait so long before we can make tests, we still allow it for some period after).
:) It must be harder and more costly to keep the system running at a high perfection, but then of course there is room for more channels (and more commercials, if it isn't payperview).
After this rant, I can say that I like digital television, I had a decoder on cable in 1998 and watched a couple of programs plus the EPG (costly though). The quality is great, even when i taped it on my mothers old vcr the quality was better than the movies I got from a store. If you haven't read Donald Normans "Invisible Computer", I can tell that he talks about the issues digital television will bring us. When the signal disappears (even slowly) the effect is much different from analogue. At least you could have seen a program with "snow" on, but in digital it will either be huge blocks (like it happens on cable already) or a black screen (talking bsod here
Actually, if he said the opposite, I would call it for some kind of racism (not that I would). Employing poor people in poor countries would "force" people in the rich countries to get more "educated" work (and the rich/poor mismatch would be greater) ... but luckily it is not true, the poor would get more money in the hands by even a sh1tty job, increasing their life-conditions (much better than laying in the streets without food).
didn't I just read this some days ago? how stupid is it to copy/paste comments
I don't think that the Americans can live without half the consumer-products they buy everyday. There is already a trade-cold-war situation between the EU and the USA. The EU have many regulations to protect people, and many agree it is necessary, when living in a capitalistic society. We don't import any meat from the US, because it cannot be guarantied to be without extra hormons. The EU is just starting to make regulations and laws in the IT-sector, which has started with the patency-system a.so. (not that I liked that start, but at least the people was heard and changes were made in last minute (months in EU-time :) It is easy to call the EU a lobby-controlled organisation, but harder to tell the reason behind it.
or still buy a Mac G5, make a new partition, and use it for Gentoo Linux for G5. I will do this, when I have some money *snif*
well, in a fire, people can run away ... if you blast 200,000 people away, they haven't got much of a choice. Surely the 190,000 poor people at the time could have had a difficult time building a decent home again (if they ever had a shack to live in).
I never got the feeling that the linux kernel is like the windows kernel32 ... I think he likes KDE because it is trying to move things (like windows is trying to), instead of GNOME, who wants to be perfect and clean (like Apple). Cloning windows/apple is only done because they in a hurry (if you call 5 years fast) wanted to create a usable desktop. Now that OSS is at the point of looking like Windows/Apple, the development can go even further and maybe in new innovative directions.
well, be sure to use the right words. The GPL source code is to be distributed for free or at a non-profit price (e.g. CD + distribution). But it is true that if you sell binaries on a boxed CD, you could just include the sc on it. To get a big community (and survival in OSS words) the developers use the Internet for (free?) distribution and sharing with other developers (giving back improvements).
If you speak Danish, instead of the mailling-list (3 people subscribed), take a look at this site.
I don't know how other countries deal with software-patents, but in Denmark we discuss every detail in the parlament (it is very unlikely that you can gain anything through lawyers). Just a fast browse on the page, and I found that even discussions about Konquorer and Mozilla Browsers have found their way into a Board-meeting. The answer is pretty bad, since the Economy&Residence-minister (who are the responsible in this case) is educated Policeman, and have not much knowledge about these issues. This is the general problem with the government (and I don't mean the administration, only the ministers), and this makes it easier to influence them.
The Kingdom of Denmark is actually located both in Europe and North America (we gave up on Wineland aka New Foundland). It includes Denmark, The Faroe Islands and Greenland. The country and state Denmark is the "little hat" you see on top of Germany. And happy to tell this, we are still feared in east-England because of our past (even the CIA calls us raiders! :)
I must say that I am a bit confused. Not long time ago our "beloved" government (I even voted for them) were in favor of software patents and the use of industry standard software (read Microsoft) ... Open Source has been discussed in the Danish parlament for some years, even before the current government (2 years old in a month). The former government promised to change all state-institutions to OSS, but still nothing has happened. SSLUG (Skane Sjaelland Linux User Group, biggest LUG in Denmark) have had some discussions on this topic without much succes ... but saying this, I am looking forward to a initiative from our very quiet IT-minister. The report is from the Board of Technology, that have many good and forgotten discussions.
Apple switched to CUPS, actually to get a much larger driver-base than the current one. Some were left out in the cold, but I think they can live with it. For an older Epson A1-printer, I had to install GIMP-Print and ESP, but then it works great ... I couldn't use the printer in OSX at all before the change to CUPS.
Just to say ... IE is NOT a free app. You paid for it, when you paid for Windows. You did read the agreement before you pressed yes, didn't you? That is why it is illegal to download and install it on Wine (since you didn't pay for a M$ OS).
This could be about the corruption they have in the commission? They blamed it on the workers, but surely the commissioner should take the blame on himself, like ministers does it in our governments (well, mostly). Maybe they are affraid of using any money at the moment, because of this event lately.
... this is a first for me (could be wrong, though)
BTW, typically the EU never tell what particular institution that pays for a project
In Sweden, Europe the state is also controlling the alcohol sales (both liquour and beer!) by having to go into special shops to buy these. It is called "Systembolaget" (the System Corporation) and the reason is to limit alcoholism in Sweden. Doesn't work though ... they take the ferry or the newly build bridge to Denmark and smuggle all kind of stuff back (mainly the price is the reason for the customers, Denmark just lowered liquour-prices with 20-30%, because we buy most of our liquour in Germany(even cheaper)).
Somebody had put some complains in the European Court for this system, since nobody can compete on prices in Sweden. But the EU have a charter on "Health/Environment before Competition", so Sweden can still continue.
oh man, here you go again...
.GNU will succeed over .NET, and thereby Microsoft will be a relic of the past.
... while a typical windows-user would install office, winamp (some have switched to media player) and divx for basic use. Linux users may have difficulties to start using it, but they learn a whole bunch more, when they do (not many people are quitters).
Linux is not a viable alternative on the desktop simply because it is not public. The users cannot just get an fast'n'dirty education in OSS the same way as Windows.
If X11 is so bad, why haven't every geek moved to the alternatives and started to support those projects instead.
I agree that Win32 will be a relic of the past, but I hope that
The typical Linux user has not got much inability to accept change, he or she typically browse through their options (e.g. KDE, GNOME, *box when talking about GUI) and use what they like for some time (maybe forever)
exactly ... there is a great need for corporate education for any OS out there. I know my dad got angry about the change of the layout in Windows XP, and the compatibility problems between different office-packages (he has 97, 2000 and XP, running on various machines). For the first time I heard the word, which I normally only hear from my friends: "Bill Gates should be shot for what he does to us". Luckily he heard that small companies in the area switch to Linux instead, and he is about to consider. Now, if he only could get some lateschool-education or so, he would do the switch immidiately. One example is that the Danish government (used to) pay a lot of money for companies to educate Windows-users. I say it is about time they give people the knowledge of choices: Apple, Linux distros, *BSD distros, Hurd and so on. Only geeks and 3l33t knows about those alternatives, if you not already are a minority report (like Apple=designers).
I know you don't want to sound like a troll, but ignorance or misinformation typically create that image. I accept the fact that we need a better admin-system in *nices, since we only have root ... it should be allowed to be divided.
It is true that a virus doesn't need root-access to replicate itself on a network, but it need it to infect system-files, which windows cannot guard against. Like on a windows-machine, Linux users are also obligated to download a virus-scanner (eventhough I have never found any in the 7 years running a linux machine), which can be done for free (e.g. f-prot). Worms is another issue, and only a good firewall can protect against this (like on a windows machine).
also by the side of IPSEC, cryptoapi/loop is shipped with the kernel, making it easier to encrypt your disks (eventhough it needs a newer util-linux, which has less options, like weird ways to choose different bits).