if u want to look l33t and cool, maybe you should upgrade your computer, it takes about an hour on my small amd64-processor. Anyways, i do an emerge gnome firefox thunderbird when I did the last stage, and let it run at night. That way I wake up to a freshcompiled system;)
I don't much about the Finnish society, but I guess they have the same kind of illnesses for geeks/nerds, as the rest of the Nordic countries (or world?):
- Internet Addiction, which were compared to Gambling Addiction in Denmark around year 2000 by many scientists. Mostly that people _need_ to check their email before they pursuit their "life". Also gamers have been in target (ofcourse, blame the lamers).
- "Mousearm", which is a longterm illness, where your lower arm feels swollen up after heavy use. I have the believe though that is because of "wrong use" (most elderly women complains).
- Lack of D-vitamin, because it is mainly given from the sun (which no geek ever sees;)
Most of these illnesses just sound like another way for the medical/ergonomics-companies to make even more money.
X is probably the fastest thing you can get outthere. It was build to be used on a really small terminal-system. Because of the lack of enthusiasm at XFree86, the X toolkit never got developed further, and other toolkits had to substitute (gtk/qt..). In many respects they are doing a good job, but of course todays demands are making the more bloated (which only elderly computers have issues with). The importance is to get XLibs updated, so we have a "bottom-line" upgrade.
Speed: Just yesterday I tried the UT2004-demo. and it went smoothly. If you have issues, it is probably a slow kernel (gamers can't use anything below 2.6.x-mm), some kernel settings (preemt) or bad driver-settings (nvidia-settings).
3D-acceleration: guys (KeithP et al) at freedesktop.org is working on a 3D-accelerated desktop at this moment, with the help from Sun developers (Looking Glass got GPLed). I think the idea is pretty close to Quartz, from what I heard.
well, it might be illegal in your country. My Danish government (and neighbour-countries) allow DeCSS, because of unfair treatment to Linux or other OSes.
This is not something I made up. I went into my government homepage on Digital Rights, and it clearly states: "You are allowed: to break codes and encryption of a DVD-movie, a music-cd or netradio in that extend, that it is necessary to see the movie or listen to the music in private. It is for example not illegal, that if you break the encryption on a DVD, if it is necessary to play the DVD on your private PC by help of an Linux Operating System". (Excuse me for the bad translation;)
I bought me a VIA EPIA M6000, because it was cheap, and only available M-series at that moment in my country (I wanted a fast delivery for the Easter holiday;)
Because it is not the biggest machine in town, I believe its why MythTv failed for me. Everything is fine and all, but when I bought a Hauppage PVR 250 (MPEG-capture) it was extremely choppy in MythTV. When I used mplayer or cat/dev/video0 > file, it went great, so I looked for other alternatives.
Freevo uses mplayer for LiveTV-playback (I don't use it much, it will freeze my machine eventually, probably because of the ivtv-drivers), and with and "choppyness". Also the capture is done exactly as a good as cat, so I am happy, that I can program to record a show, but of course I would be interested in some of the nice features in MythTV on recording. The other plugins and even more are available on Freevo, and as a typical/etc user, I find the config-file much more intuitive than pressing every channel and feature in MythTVs GUI (also I don't have to install QT for once).
You might ask, why I didn't tell that to the MythTV dev/user-community (#mythtv and #mythtv-users), but I have never seen a more unfriendly one (eventhough there are good people among them). Its double as many users there, but barely anybody talks/helps eachother. Freevo helped me through some of my stupid actions and questions pretty nicely on #freevo.
I was trying to provoke your senses to actually understand that users really don't want your "features", what they want is human computer interaction. Studies proved that. This feature-overload must have an end, and lets start thinking of making peoples lives easier and more productive than emerging yet another new technology into a product.
I am not against any new features, I am embrace it like the next guy, but the implementations have been pretty bad. Mac OSX is a nice way of thinking "new", eventhough they still are stuck in the desktop-metaphor, they were the first to spread. What new interactions did Microsoft invent? The desktop metaphor? no, Files-setup? no, Icons? no, Mouse-pointer? no, Start-bar? no. Windows? no
Really, I cannot thing of a single thing MS did invent, only implement by reusing already known knowledge, most people didn't knew existed.
Oh, well now to answer the list of your troll-remarks (if you know better):
1. price and open source is a feature!
2. Still have to pay for an unsupported OS? no thanks. The interactions in this version of Windows really made me wonder: why did a low-tech setup succeed against a high-tech setup as mac-os? price?
3. Sure, thats what worms are for;) I know that you have no use of a text-editor working on another computer, since you don't have to setup anything important, MS does it for you
(4.? seems like you haven't heard of emacs, why a vi-troll then?)
5. Real features? how is a slick gui a feature? I look it as a theme-file, which MS got from QT/GTK. Manage files? do you manage files with a text-editor (again, no emacs-remarks:P)? well, again, MS didn't make any progress on making new ways of managing files, and putting them in a db in longhorn just asks for even more trouble.
Lets face it, the 'people' are getting more educated and now comprehending the MS-scam. I even hear my farther (before very happy MS-consumer) curse at Gates and is considering this socalled Linux he heard people is installing instead. XP was his worst interaction-nightmare, and he really didn't want to pay for yet another course to understand it.
1. feature: its free as in freedom
2. feature: you don't need a fullblown GUI
3. feature: you use it in a terminal-window, which could be any computer in the solarsystem
4. feature: it's not emacs (let the flamewar begin;)
5. feature: it has a very different interaction than others, making it more personalised
Really, those are the features I care about. I have to pay for windows and I have to look at a stupid GUI. I like the very different interactions, since I don't want to be a sheep (except that cool one from CN;)
I think it is because some ati-users have difficulties either to get it work or to understand the changes. My transition was smoothless, and bare in mind that many Gentoo users actually install a lot of masked packages.
oh yeah, and if you found a nice recipé, you could try to sell it and/or share it so everyone else could enjoy it. Isn't this what is happening with all the small breweries;)
OMG, Linux is beer, of course! it all makes sense now
funny, I just thought about the same analogy some time ago, just that:
MS is a cola, nice packaged and ready to drink, but pretty unhealthy in the long run.
Apple is a diet Coke, nice packaged, somewhat healthy (the NutraSweet discussion).
OSS as water, which you can mix yourself with some effort, freely available, hopefully through a standard infrastructure, and you would now whats in there (if you don't buy some weird sweetener).
As an interaction designer I ask the question "to whom" a lot these days.
Sure it "does it right" for those users, who are interested in using Linux/OSS for desktop-use, without putting much effort in understanding the system.
For a user/newbie-developer, whom is interested in learning a system, not only from a shiny gui-thing, which luckily mostly have clean-text configuration-files, you won't learn the intentions from the developers.
That's why I use Gentoo Linux (I know there are others, but I chose this one), and use no layers between the configuration-files, like linuxconf, webmin or such.
I think that the FOSS-community owns Mr. Torvalds a great deal for Linux. Maybe it wasn't the first around, but surely it made OSS a lot more public. I know a lot of people who didn't know BSD existed before they tried Linux, and this is what gave all *nices a boost, which benefitted everyone. But don't get me wrong, I like *BSD and what it gives the community, just it haven't been very acknowledged (hence BSD is dead).
cool, thanks... this is what the medias really never tells anybody here around. I get the impression that the president (or those who makes him) can do whatever he wants in his 4-year period (much like the French and Italian president, where they have given themselves full immunity).
I think that I am just used to live in a country where we haven't had majority governments in our modern democratic history. The Danish democracy don't believe that it is enough to vote for power, the minorities needs to be heard too (eventhough not all parties agrees on that).
So longing for the time when your country's opinion(s) mattered.
I don't really care about my country's opinions (or our power in way-back past), since I am an individual who is more a part of a Internet-subculture, than the Danish culture.
Try using Google once in a while.
Well, I have become a victim of medias, and haven't yet gone to the allmighty Google news;)
The commander-in-chief of the military is the President
This is what I am worried about. Surely it is a good way of controlling armies in a war-situation (hence my comment on the mode of war), but in a democratic country the focus could have been on a more broader control of the troops.
where you have an actual King ruling over the people and controlling the military.
I don't know where you get you information, but 1. we have a Queen, 2. she has no control over any military, 3. we are a democracy, with a monarch as a "diplomatic" solution, mostly like the German president's power, 4. I am republican, but I am in a minority.
No, just ignorant.
I could use all my time studying the US, if I wished, we even have master degrees in US-relationships in my country, but I have other priorities. I was only asking simple questions, which other people answered nicely for me.
which noone over here pays much attention to, except during election years.
Actually the Danish news and others for that matter keep the attention on the US, issues like Martha Steward, Paris Hilton, Schwatzenegger, fascist movements, freedom rights and much more is presented to us at a daily basis (Tonight Show, David Letterman is also good inspiration on American media-culture). I don't think I have seen daily news for a long time, without a comment from a reporter, placed in front of a white house, or in the street asking people for their opinions.
I hate Eurotrash as much as the next guy around here (well, it is about 50-50 here), we are a bit tired of the Germany/France concentration of power in the European Union (take a look at the new treaty), which is probably why we choosed to stay on the US-side in the second Iraqi war.
and we all know that "they" are the US government? or what countries are you talking about? I am getting annoyed about people who (still) believe in the "clash of civilisations" where the poor (undemocratic) countries are going to fight the "civilised" world.
Since the breakdown of the Sovjet union, the world cheered for peace and everyone did their best to join as many international treaties as possible. The few who didn't was the US. The reason: to easier fight back on socalled "evil" societies.
I find this currious, and as an example of an use of this, can be seen in an incident, where a couple of Danish soldiers killed two civilians in Iraq. They payed compensation to the families and started a trial, but I haven't heard such trials from the socalled civilised US Army (maybe they are hiding it, but why would they do that?).
What I am really asking is, is there no direct democratic control of the armies in the US? Why do you give so much control to the president and his cabinet? are you in constant mode of war?
I just studied Interaction Design, and was the Mac-administrator for our study. What a pain in the a** it is to use USB-printers on Mac OS X (of course this is without use of Mac OS X Server, but I wouldn't believe it would be better).
I was happy when 10.2 switched to CUPS, since there were more posibilites to "control" bad issues. Firstly many of my users didn't get that they couldn't move the USB-printers to another computer, since it would require installation of drivers (Epson). Secondly printer-cues can get badly organised, and you have to do stupid things to get it working again. To even get it all working again, I had to delete the tmps in/var/cups/spool and reinsert the printer or restart the computer. Thirdly the interface is horrible (and the waiting-time). Even the web-interface is nicer. I was hoping they changed it in 10.3, but I noticed from the screenshots, that they didn't.
But saying this, I was happy about getting CUPS, since I could use gimp-print drivers for an Epson Pro 7000 Posterprinter, we used a lot, instead of dualbooting to OS9.
but Switzerland has a EU-partnership, same as Norway, Turkey and most countries in the eastern part of Europe. I even read somewhere that they made even tighter bindings to the Common/Internal Market lately.
don't worry, I am European, and I have never even heard of DeBeers;)
My country is full of them, but at a "local" scale. On global scale there is Maersk Sealand, which is the worlds largest containerdeliverance, Carlsberg has mostly monopoly on bars in Denmark (I don't know how much they got of the Swedish market), Arla is becoming a huge dairy producer (monopoly in Denmark, and beginning in Sweden too) and Danish Crown is probably the largest pig-produce in the world, eventhough I don't know their marketshare (Denmark pretty much 90%).
And oh, I believe that Microsoft probably has the biggest share of OSes in my country, since you'll find MS-zealots everywhere here.
From my examples you can see that Europe indeed [still is | will always be] pretty fragmented (if you can say a country is a fragment).
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Maybe I am a blind old man, but where is this comment/wiki (actually, I can't see anything that resembles wiki on any amazon sites)?
Well, it worked for Microsoft ;)
Nah, just kidding, I don't know what MS is shipping these days.
Yes, because the pirate is not closed, it is down for upgrades. You can read it here (in swedish :P): http://pirazine.blogspot.com
when Netcraft just released their anti-phishing plugin for firefox ;)
if u want to look l33t and cool, maybe you should upgrade your computer, it takes about an hour on my small amd64-processor. Anyways, i do an emerge gnome firefox thunderbird when I did the last stage, and let it run at night. That way I wake up to a freshcompiled system ;)
thats why Finland is so perfect for geeks anyway ;) I guess it is the long dark evenings that kept Linus working on his nice little project.
I don't much about the Finnish society, but I guess they have the same kind of illnesses for geeks/nerds, as the rest of the Nordic countries (or world?):
;)
- Internet Addiction, which were compared to Gambling Addiction in Denmark around year 2000 by many scientists. Mostly that people _need_ to check their email before they pursuit their "life". Also gamers have been in target (ofcourse, blame the lamers).
- "Mousearm", which is a longterm illness, where your lower arm feels swollen up after heavy use. I have the believe though that is because of "wrong use" (most elderly women complains).
- Lack of D-vitamin, because it is mainly given from the sun (which no geek ever sees
Most of these illnesses just sound like another way for the medical/ergonomics-companies to make even more money.
X is probably the fastest thing you can get outthere. It was build to be used on a really small terminal-system. Because of the lack of enthusiasm at XFree86, the X toolkit never got developed further, and other toolkits had to substitute (gtk/qt..). In many respects they are doing a good job, but of course todays demands are making the more bloated (which only elderly computers have issues with). The importance is to get XLibs updated, so we have a "bottom-line" upgrade.
Speed: Just yesterday I tried the UT2004-demo. and it went smoothly. If you have issues, it is probably a slow kernel (gamers can't use anything below 2.6.x-mm), some kernel settings (preemt) or bad driver-settings (nvidia-settings).
3D-acceleration: guys (KeithP et al) at freedesktop.org is working on a 3D-accelerated desktop at this moment, with the help from Sun developers (Looking Glass got GPLed). I think the idea is pretty close to Quartz, from what I heard.
well, it might be illegal in your country. My Danish government (and neighbour-countries) allow DeCSS, because of unfair treatment to Linux or other OSes.
;)
This is not something I made up. I went into my government homepage on Digital Rights, and it clearly states: "You are allowed: to break codes and encryption of a DVD-movie, a music-cd or netradio in that extend, that it is necessary to see the movie or listen to the music in private. It is for example not illegal, that if you break the encryption on a DVD, if it is necessary to play the DVD on your private PC by help of an Linux Operating System". (Excuse me for the bad translation
TVTime is great, but it doesn't work with ivtv-drivers (because the cards outputs MPEG). Anyways TVTime can also be used in freevo ;)
*nuf said*. PDF is a open standard, and is pretty easy to implement everywhere.
I bought me a VIA EPIA M6000, because it was cheap, and only available M-series at that moment in my country (I wanted a fast delivery for the Easter holiday ;)
/dev/video0 > file, it went great, so I looked for other alternatives.
/etc user, I find the config-file much more intuitive than pressing every channel and feature in MythTVs GUI (also I don't have to install QT for once).
Because it is not the biggest machine in town, I believe its why MythTv failed for me. Everything is fine and all, but when I bought a Hauppage PVR 250 (MPEG-capture) it was extremely choppy in MythTV. When I used mplayer or cat
Freevo uses mplayer for LiveTV-playback (I don't use it much, it will freeze my machine eventually, probably because of the ivtv-drivers), and with and "choppyness". Also the capture is done exactly as a good as cat, so I am happy, that I can program to record a show, but of course I would be interested in some of the nice features in MythTV on recording. The other plugins and even more are available on Freevo, and as a typical
You might ask, why I didn't tell that to the MythTV dev/user-community (#mythtv and #mythtv-users), but I have never seen a more unfriendly one (eventhough there are good people among them). Its double as many users there, but barely anybody talks/helps eachother. Freevo helped me through some of my stupid actions and questions pretty nicely on #freevo.
I think you are in 'feature-mode' :P
;) I know that you have no use of a text-editor working on another computer, since you don't have to setup anything important, MS does it for you :P)? well, again, MS didn't make any progress on making new ways of managing files, and putting them in a db in longhorn just asks for even more trouble.
I was trying to provoke your senses to actually understand that users really don't want your "features", what they want is human computer interaction. Studies proved that. This feature-overload must have an end, and lets start thinking of making peoples lives easier and more productive than emerging yet another new technology into a product.
I am not against any new features, I am embrace it like the next guy, but the implementations have been pretty bad. Mac OSX is a nice way of thinking "new", eventhough they still are stuck in the desktop-metaphor, they were the first to spread. What new interactions did Microsoft invent? The desktop metaphor? no, Files-setup? no, Icons? no, Mouse-pointer? no, Start-bar? no. Windows? no
Really, I cannot thing of a single thing MS did invent, only implement by reusing already known knowledge, most people didn't knew existed.
Oh, well now to answer the list of your troll-remarks (if you know better):
1. price and open source is a feature!
2. Still have to pay for an unsupported OS? no thanks. The interactions in this version of Windows really made me wonder: why did a low-tech setup succeed against a high-tech setup as mac-os? price?
3. Sure, thats what worms are for
(4.? seems like you haven't heard of emacs, why a vi-troll then?)
5. Real features? how is a slick gui a feature? I look it as a theme-file, which MS got from QT/GTK. Manage files? do you manage files with a text-editor (again, no emacs-remarks
Lets face it, the 'people' are getting more educated and now comprehending the MS-scam. I even hear my farther (before very happy MS-consumer) curse at Gates and is considering this socalled Linux he heard people is installing instead. XP was his worst interaction-nightmare, and he really didn't want to pay for yet another course to understand it.
1. feature: its free as in freedom ;)
;)
2. feature: you don't need a fullblown GUI
3. feature: you use it in a terminal-window, which could be any computer in the solarsystem
4. feature: it's not emacs (let the flamewar begin
5. feature: it has a very different interaction than others, making it more personalised
Really, those are the features I care about. I have to pay for windows and I have to look at a stupid GUI. I like the very different interactions, since I don't want to be a sheep (except that cool one from CN
I think it is because some ati-users have difficulties either to get it work or to understand the changes. My transition was smoothless, and bare in mind that many Gentoo users actually install a lot of masked packages.
oh yeah, and if you found a nice recipé, you could try to sell it and/or share it so everyone else could enjoy it. Isn't this what is happening with all the small breweries ;)
OMG, Linux is beer, of course! it all makes sense now
funny, I just thought about the same analogy some time ago, just that:
MS is a cola, nice packaged and ready to drink, but pretty unhealthy in the long run.
Apple is a diet Coke, nice packaged, somewhat healthy (the NutraSweet discussion).
OSS as water, which you can mix yourself with some effort, freely available, hopefully through a standard infrastructure, and you would now whats in there (if you don't buy some weird sweetener).
As an interaction designer I ask the question "to whom" a lot these days.
Sure it "does it right" for those users, who are interested in using Linux/OSS for desktop-use, without putting much effort in understanding the system.
For a user/newbie-developer, whom is interested in learning a system, not only from a shiny gui-thing, which luckily mostly have clean-text configuration-files, you won't learn the intentions from the developers.
That's why I use Gentoo Linux (I know there are others, but I chose this one), and use no layers between the configuration-files, like linuxconf, webmin or such.
I think that the FOSS-community owns Mr. Torvalds a great deal for Linux. Maybe it wasn't the first around, but surely it made OSS a lot more public. I know a lot of people who didn't know BSD existed before they tried Linux, and this is what gave all *nices a boost, which benefitted everyone. But don't get me wrong, I like *BSD and what it gives the community, just it haven't been very acknowledged (hence BSD is dead).
cool, thanks ... this is what the medias really never tells anybody here around. I get the impression that the president (or those who makes him) can do whatever he wants in his 4-year period (much like the French and Italian president, where they have given themselves full immunity).
I think that I am just used to live in a country where we haven't had majority governments in our modern democratic history. The Danish democracy don't believe that it is enough to vote for power, the minorities needs to be heard too (eventhough not all parties agrees on that).
So longing for the time when your country's opinion(s) mattered.
;)
I don't really care about my country's opinions (or our power in way-back past), since I am an individual who is more a part of a Internet-subculture, than the Danish culture.
Try using Google once in a while.
Well, I have become a victim of medias, and haven't yet gone to the allmighty Google news
The commander-in-chief of the military is the President
This is what I am worried about. Surely it is a good way of controlling armies in a war-situation (hence my comment on the mode of war), but in a democratic country the focus could have been on a more broader control of the troops.
where you have an actual King ruling over the people and controlling the military.
I don't know where you get you information, but 1. we have a Queen, 2. she has no control over any military, 3. we are a democracy, with a monarch as a "diplomatic" solution, mostly like the German president's power, 4. I am republican, but I am in a minority.
No, just ignorant.
I could use all my time studying the US, if I wished, we even have master degrees in US-relationships in my country, but I have other priorities. I was only asking simple questions, which other people answered nicely for me.
which noone over here pays much attention to, except during election years.
Actually the Danish news and others for that matter keep the attention on the US, issues like Martha Steward, Paris Hilton, Schwatzenegger, fascist movements, freedom rights and much more is presented to us at a daily basis (Tonight Show, David Letterman is also good inspiration on American media-culture). I don't think I have seen daily news for a long time, without a comment from a reporter, placed in front of a white house, or in the street asking people for their opinions.
I hate Eurotrash as much as the next guy around here (well, it is about 50-50 here), we are a bit tired of the Germany/France concentration of power in the European Union (take a look at the new treaty), which is probably why we choosed to stay on the US-side in the second Iraqi war.
and we all know that "they" are the US government? or what countries are you talking about? I am getting annoyed about people who (still) believe in the "clash of civilisations" where the poor (undemocratic) countries are going to fight the "civilised" world.
:\
Since the breakdown of the Sovjet union, the world cheered for peace and everyone did their best to join as many international treaties as possible. The few who didn't was the US. The reason: to easier fight back on socalled "evil" societies.
I find this currious, and as an example of an use of this, can be seen in an incident, where a couple of Danish soldiers killed two civilians in Iraq. They payed compensation to the families and started a trial, but I haven't heard such trials from the socalled civilised US Army (maybe they are hiding it, but why would they do that?).
What I am really asking is, is there no direct democratic control of the armies in the US? Why do you give so much control to the president and his cabinet? are you in constant mode of war?
Probably I am too stupid to understand the USA
I just studied Interaction Design, and was the Mac-administrator for our study. What a pain in the a** it is to use USB-printers on Mac OS X (of course this is without use of Mac OS X Server, but I wouldn't believe it would be better).
/var/cups/spool and reinsert the printer or restart the computer. Thirdly the interface is horrible (and the waiting-time). Even the web-interface is nicer. I was hoping they changed it in 10.3, but I noticed from the screenshots, that they didn't.
I was happy when 10.2 switched to CUPS, since there were more posibilites to "control" bad issues. Firstly many of my users didn't get that they couldn't move the USB-printers to another computer, since it would require installation of drivers (Epson). Secondly printer-cues can get badly organised, and you have to do stupid things to get it working again. To even get it all working again, I had to delete the tmps in
But saying this, I was happy about getting CUPS, since I could use gimp-print drivers for an Epson Pro 7000 Posterprinter, we used a lot, instead of dualbooting to OS9.
but Switzerland has a EU-partnership, same as Norway, Turkey and most countries in the eastern part of Europe. I even read somewhere that they made even tighter bindings to the Common/Internal Market lately.
don't worry, I am European, and I have never even heard of DeBeers ;)
My country is full of them, but at a "local" scale. On global scale there is Maersk Sealand, which is the worlds largest containerdeliverance, Carlsberg has mostly monopoly on bars in Denmark (I don't know how much they got of the Swedish market), Arla is becoming a huge dairy producer (monopoly in Denmark, and beginning in Sweden too) and Danish Crown is probably the largest pig-produce in the world, eventhough I don't know their marketshare (Denmark pretty much 90%).
And oh, I believe that Microsoft probably has the biggest share of OSes in my country, since you'll find MS-zealots everywhere here.
From my examples you can see that Europe indeed [still is | will always be] pretty fragmented (if you can say a country is a fragment).