> It's to understand what went wrong, and make sure > corrections are made for the future.
Why don't they just make replicas of the lander and do the testing on earth after-the-fact. At least, they may get some idea of what happened on Mars.
Maybe it landed upside down and couldn't open. Maybe it's sitting on a rock skewed sideways and can't open or if open, can't get the juice to transmit properly.
Without extensive testing of usable designs/form-factors, we are going to be wasting alot of development money and alot of time. (Not that I think the Beagle2 design was fundamentaly flawed or anything.)
> Do any modern chips support per-process cache > reservation? That would alleviate some of the > problems reported in the article.
Wouldn't that defeat some of the benefits of SMT? I mean... if you have two threads executing much the same code... they can SHARE the contents of the cache. Seems to me that increasing the size of the cache would be of more benefit.
I do see where you are going with your idea though...
I have an idea. (Someone else has probably had it too). Why not build a processor that can accept a parent process. This processor could then, also, have multiple logical processors to execute threads in a massive way. Map the address space of the process right onto the processor RAM and all. Add more processors for more processes. Specify one processor specific to the OS so it doesn't have to task switch alot and can perform housekeeping while the other processors run the programs. So, rather than massive context switching... the OS could just map available processors to processes waiting to run (these would be waiting in regular RAM memory), control the flow of data between processors to achieve compartmentalization, preemptively schedule tasks to achieve a smooth overall system.
Maybe the OS could have a priority high enough so that the massively threaded process could be dedicated to a processor and not be preempted - a process that has nearly the same top priority as the OS.
Your wasted time is exactly why I run Linux. Linux may take a bit of initial configuring, but after it's tweaked the way you like it... just sit back and enjoy.
I rarely spend more than 30 min a month fixing my computer.
> Rushmore is the best movie made in recent times. > First time I saw it, I had never laughed so hard. > Now, when I watch it, it brings a tear to my eye.
Groundhog Day did this for me. "Don't drive angry!" heh Though, it's not so recent.:/
> At the end of Reloaded, I was left with a lot of > questions as to what was going on, and why Neo > was able to stop the sentinels. I have various > ideas about that, most of which involved Neo not > actually returning to the same Matrix (or "real > world") he had come from. It also seemed possible > that even the original "real world" wasn't really > the real world, but in fact another Matrix.
My god Eric! I thought *EXACTLY* the same thing! I was still wondering if they were going to do the matrix within a matrix thing when NEO was able to see things in Red instead of Green. I just figured that the Red was him seeing the real matrix instead of the Green matrix within a matrix. When NEO stopped those sentinels in the fake real world, I could ONLY assume it was another layer of matrix. Remember when they said there was an original matrix? I figured that this original matrix was the one where NEO saw things in Red.
I *STILL* think they could reopen the storyline using this premise. Maybe go deeper into prequel with Creation of the Matrix or further into the storyline with NEO reawakening in the Real World and remembering he's a programmer or something. Maybe everyone in the matrix is a vegetable in the Real World - people who's only means of communication and life are only possible within the matrix. There is still much material that could be developed.
After reading "The Hobbit", I don't think the eagles would want to carry a pinching hobbit all the way to Mt. Doom (far away from their nests) where there were many enemies i.e. Humans and Orcs. To ask might have been imposing too much on the Lord of the Eagles.
I know the eagles did help at the battle of the lonely mountain... 5 armies? But, I think that instance was special because the eagles were helping getting rid of the orcs who were infringing upon eagle territory AND helping out their other bird brethren who were having trouble with the legacy of the dragon.
Also, It might have been too much of a temptation on the Lord of the Eagles?
> Windows has a native 64-bit version but Intel > have prompted MS to delay the release until > they can come up with a competitive processor. > AMD serves to steal much of Intel's > marketshare otherwise.
I agree! While Intel is playing catchup, I suppose AMD Opteron *will* be taking over the server x86 processor based market. If a Windows server OS is not ready for those processors, I guess folks will just jump on the Linux or Solaris bandwagons.
After all, initial adoption of these processors will not be by home users but by commercial entities. Delaying a release of Windows 64, to benefit Intel, would only hurt Microsoft.
> Useful or not, console wars has caused "64 bits > to be better than 32".
True. 64bitness is long overdue. The Opteron may be the processor that causes the dyke, holding 64bitness back, to break.
> i think history would reveal that european > monopolies evolved from royal fiat, and > later class protectionism.
Of course. These european monopolies were monopolies by crown law and as such enjoyed what you might call class protectionism. They started life as monopolies.
What I'm talking about is... what originally was a more level playing field has since become mighty mountainous. After raising capitol, an entrepreneur must walk a minefield of patents, copywrights and hostile takeovers. Not to mention corporations with more market power.
The european monopoly situation (at least during colonial times) began life unbalanced - while ours has become that way due to the market forces I mentioned earlier: the money multiplier (the more money you have the more money you can make), product lock-in, market influence power.
The invisible hand would probably stabilize the markets if humans weren't involved. We tend to find loopholes to exploit - ways to make things go our way despite natural tendancies. These include: the good ole boy system (preferential hiring practices), agreements behind closed doors to give preferential treatment for perks/kickbacks, lobbying of elected officials by powerful organisations, campaign contributions, coersion. The list goes on. Did the invisible hand take into effect the full depth of these kinds of interferance?
My bottom line: I don't think the invisible hand can completely right things without some regulation - regulation is finally needed because of tampering in the first place. Think of regulation as tampering to fix the tampering. (As long as the regulation is geared towards leveling the playing field.)
> Same thing with campaign contributions you or > I may not be able to give much individually to > someone's campaign but lots of us together can > have a huge impact. 10,000 people giving $100 > total each is $1 million.
You are missing my point. A corporation is seen by the govt as if it was one entity - one person. Not many people alone have invested in themselves the power to influence govt as a corporation can.
If there were 10,000 people organized in this country, for any reason, then they'd be "on the radar". They would constitute an army of sorts and would be under close watch by the govt. (probably with a distrustful eye)
I have 2 books within easy reach of my keyboard: Linux Application Development and Unix Network Programming. I use the UNP book more but the LAD is good for Linux specific tweaking.
> if we valued "freedom", then we wouldn't ahve > all sorts of things like min. wage laws, > mandatory health benefits, anti-discrimination > laws, welfare, soc. security, etc.
The invisible hand can be cruel.
There is an accelleration factor involved. Those with money have the capital to make more money and take advantage of opportunities. This factor multiplies - the more money they have... the more money they can make. Money equals power as much as information does - information is merely another form of currency.
An unregulated "FREE" market will eventually devolve into a scenario where we are all serfs working for a sole corporate king. We are already looking at a situation where corporations are more "EQUAL" than your average joe/jane citizen. Question: How many of us can afford to hire a lobbyist? How much can you afford to bribe.. er fund a govt offical's reelection campaign?
As for the lottery.. it is merely another tax on the poor.
> they can still be liable. (and we wonder why > drugs are so expensive!!) Oh... let's not sue the poor underpriveleged drug companies for harmful side effects of certain drugs. As an aside: I am for a cap on rediculous damage awards. Problem is... how do we define rediculous?
I think what the others are trying to say is: Are Debian politics going to slow adoption and innovation in the new UserLinux plan? Will there be trouble getting all political blocs synced so that portions of UserLinux can also be synced?
Is UserLinux merely an extension of Debian with LSB, OSDL and service companies thrown in? Will there be a fork of Debian that will then take off in it's own LSB'd and certified direction?
BTW, I think you have a great idea. Will Debian be an asset or a liability?
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> It's to understand what went wrong, and make sure
> corrections are made for the future.
Why don't they just make replicas of the lander and do the testing on earth after-the-fact. At least, they may get some idea of what happened on Mars.
Maybe it landed upside down and couldn't open. Maybe it's sitting on a rock skewed sideways and can't open or if open, can't get the juice to transmit properly.
Without extensive testing of usable designs/form-factors, we are going to be wasting alot of development money and alot of time. (Not that I think the Beagle2 design was fundamentaly flawed or anything.)
> Do any modern chips support per-process cache
> reservation? That would alleviate some of the
> problems reported in the article.
Wouldn't that defeat some of the benefits of SMT? I mean... if you have two threads executing much the same code... they can SHARE the contents of the cache. Seems to me that increasing the size of the cache would be of more benefit.
I do see where you are going with your idea though...
I have an idea. (Someone else has probably had it too). Why not build a processor that can accept a parent process. This processor could then, also, have multiple logical processors to execute threads in a massive way. Map the address space of the process right onto the processor RAM and all. Add more processors for more processes. Specify one processor specific to the OS so it doesn't have to task switch alot and can perform housekeeping while the other processors run the programs. So, rather than massive context switching... the OS could just map available processors to processes waiting to run (these would be waiting in regular RAM memory), control the flow of data between processors to achieve compartmentalization, preemptively schedule tasks to achieve a smooth overall system.
Maybe the OS could have a priority high enough so that the massively threaded process could be dedicated to a processor and not be preempted - a process that has nearly the same top priority as the OS.
Your wasted time is exactly why I run Linux. Linux may take a bit of initial configuring, but after it's tweaked the way you like it... just sit back and enjoy.
I rarely spend more than 30 min a month fixing my computer.
> Rushmore is the best movie made in recent times.
:/
> First time I saw it, I had never laughed so hard.
> Now, when I watch it, it brings a tear to my eye.
Groundhog Day did this for me. "Don't drive angry!" heh Though, it's not so recent.
> At the end of Reloaded, I was left with a lot of
> questions as to what was going on, and why Neo
> was able to stop the sentinels. I have various
> ideas about that, most of which involved Neo not
> actually returning to the same Matrix (or "real
> world") he had come from. It also seemed possible
> that even the original "real world" wasn't really
> the real world, but in fact another Matrix.
My god Eric! I thought *EXACTLY* the same thing! I was still wondering if they were going to do the matrix within a matrix thing when NEO was able to see things in Red instead of Green. I just figured that the Red was him seeing the real matrix instead of the Green matrix within a matrix. When NEO stopped those sentinels in the fake real world, I could ONLY assume it was another layer of matrix. Remember when they said there was an original matrix? I figured that this original matrix was the one where NEO saw things in Red.
I *STILL* think they could reopen the storyline using this premise. Maybe go deeper into prequel with Creation of the Matrix or further into the storyline with NEO reawakening in the Real World and remembering he's a programmer or something. Maybe everyone in the matrix is a vegetable in the Real World - people who's only means of communication and life are only possible within the matrix. There is still much material that could be developed.
After reading "The Hobbit", I don't think the eagles would want to carry a pinching hobbit all the way to Mt. Doom (far away from their nests) where there were many enemies i.e. Humans and Orcs. To ask might have been imposing too much on the Lord of the Eagles.
I know the eagles did help at the battle of the lonely mountain... 5 armies? But, I think that instance was special because the eagles were helping getting rid of the orcs who were infringing upon eagle territory AND helping out their other bird brethren who were having trouble with the legacy of the dragon.
Also, It might have been too much of a temptation on the Lord of the Eagles?
Linux 2.6.0! I foresee great things in the very near future! -=gazing into crystal ball=-
I looked at the name of the bill and all I saw was CANNED SPAM. Though I realise it really was CAN SPAM.
SPAM in a CAN... CANNED SPAM. Are we throwing the SPAM in the garbage CAN or are we being fed CANNED SPAM.
> Windows has a native 64-bit version but Intel
> have prompted MS to delay the release until
> they can come up with a competitive processor.
> AMD serves to steal much of Intel's
> marketshare otherwise.
I agree! While Intel is playing catchup, I suppose AMD Opteron *will* be taking over the server x86 processor based market. If a Windows server OS is not ready for those processors, I guess folks will just jump on the Linux or Solaris bandwagons.
After all, initial adoption of these processors will not be by home users but by commercial entities. Delaying a release of Windows 64, to benefit Intel, would only hurt Microsoft.
> Useful or not, console wars has caused "64 bits
> to be better than 32".
True. 64bitness is long overdue. The Opteron may be the processor that causes the dyke, holding 64bitness back, to break.
Yes. Wildcat BBS. Very nice. :)
> i think history would reveal that european
> monopolies evolved from royal fiat, and
> later class protectionism.
Of course. These european monopolies were monopolies by crown law and as such enjoyed what you might call class protectionism. They started life as monopolies.
What I'm talking about is... what originally was a more level playing field has since become mighty mountainous. After raising capitol, an entrepreneur must walk a minefield of patents, copywrights and hostile takeovers. Not to mention corporations with more market power.
The european monopoly situation (at least during colonial times) began life unbalanced - while ours has become that way due to the market forces I mentioned earlier: the money multiplier (the more money you have the more money you can make), product lock-in, market influence power.
The invisible hand would probably stabilize the markets if humans weren't involved. We tend to find loopholes to exploit - ways to make things go our way despite natural tendancies. These include: the good ole boy system (preferential hiring practices), agreements behind closed doors to give preferential treatment for perks/kickbacks, lobbying of elected officials by powerful organisations, campaign contributions, coersion. The list goes on. Did the invisible hand take into effect the full depth of these kinds of interferance?
My bottom line: I don't think the invisible hand can completely right things without some regulation - regulation is finally needed because of tampering in the first place. Think of regulation as tampering to fix the tampering. (As long as the regulation is geared towards leveling the playing field.)
> Monopoly is the natural progression of
> unregulated market captialism. Always has
> been and continues today.
Thank you. I couldn't have said it better myself.
> Same thing with campaign contributions you or
> I may not be able to give much individually to
> someone's campaign but lots of us together can
> have a huge impact. 10,000 people giving $100
> total each is $1 million.
You are missing my point. A corporation is seen by the govt as if it was one entity - one person. Not many people alone have invested in themselves the power to influence govt as a corporation can.
If there were 10,000 people organized in this country, for any reason, then they'd be "on the radar". They would constitute an army of sorts and would be under close watch by the govt. (probably with a distrustful eye)
I have 2 books within easy reach of my keyboard:
Linux Application Development and Unix Network Programming. I use the UNP book more but the LAD is good for Linux specific tweaking.
> if we valued "freedom", then we wouldn't ahve
> all sorts of things like min. wage laws,
> mandatory health benefits, anti-discrimination
> laws, welfare, soc. security, etc.
The invisible hand can be cruel.
There is an accelleration factor involved. Those with money have the capital to make more money and take advantage of opportunities. This factor multiplies - the more money they have... the more money they can make. Money equals power as much as information does - information is merely another form of currency.
An unregulated "FREE" market will eventually devolve into a scenario where we are all serfs working for a sole corporate king. We are already looking at a situation where corporations are more "EQUAL" than your average joe/jane citizen. Question: How many of us can afford to hire a lobbyist? How much can you afford to bribe.. er fund a govt offical's reelection campaign?
As for the lottery.. it is merely another tax on the poor.
> they can still be liable. (and we wonder why
> drugs are so expensive!!)
Oh... let's not sue the poor underpriveleged drug companies for harmful side effects of certain drugs. As an aside: I am for a cap on rediculous damage awards. Problem is... how do we define rediculous?
Another good one! It's great when taken in context with the other Civil Engineer jokes. :)
Q. How many physicists does it take to screw in a light bulb.
A. Have they SEEN the light bulb?
> either that or 2+2=5 for extremely large values of 2
DING DING DING DING... we have a winner!
Uh... couldn't the cat be Dead OR Alive in any world? Or maybe he's a dog? I just don't think he can be dead AND alive in the same world.
Ugh!
It's just going to drive more people to open software like Linux and BSD. In the meantime, it's gonna cause alot of trouble.
Microsoft is pulling on the strings by charging for FAT. Let's see how many puppets dance.
Bruce,
I think what the others are trying to say is: Are Debian politics going to slow adoption and innovation in the new UserLinux plan? Will there be trouble getting all political blocs synced so that portions of UserLinux can also be synced?
Is UserLinux merely an extension of Debian with LSB, OSDL and service companies thrown in? Will there be a fork of Debian that will then take off in it's own LSB'd and certified direction?
BTW, I think you have a great idea. Will Debian be an asset or a liability?
I'll bet it was probably the exact same exploit that was used to hit Debian.
:)
With everyone updating to Linux 2.4.23, we should see less of this sploit in the near future. Now what it's going to do to uptimes....
Makes you wanna dust off the old Tripwire doesn't it? I've gotten a copy of chkrootkit too.
XMODEM, YMODEM and ZMODEM. I liked XMODEM and YMODEM but I loved ZMODEM because it got files in bigger 1024kbit chunks?
:)
KERMIT, on the other hand, was a big fat peice of junk. Would take forever to download stuff.
I still feel wierd being hooked up to the internet without having heard my modem screech.
so if they want us to let them know about problems then they should pay us for the information.
If they want us to test their stuff then they should pay us to do it; rather than charging us for the privelege of testing their stuff.
[codifex@unknown codifex]$ uname; uname -r
Linux
2.4.23
Compile and install went pretty smooth except for the es1371 garbage... After I switched input core to compiled in instead of module that is... heh.
Recompiled my Vortex sound - no prob.
Downloaded latest NVidia driver - nice automatic configurator and installer - Bravo NVidia!
Good to go in record time. Linux just keeps getting better and better. Now to beat on it.