Even if they didn't say it would be playable online, it really should have been. I would own Double Dash and the broadband adapter right now if it were online enabled. I know Nintendo doesn't want to invest in online heavily right now but I think they're making a mistake. As well as the Gamecube has been selling and as killer an app as Mario Kart is, I think Mario Kart online could have helped them that much more.
that or he decided he didn't like legal download sites so then went to investigate them in order to gather facts to use when making his argument against them.
It was bound to happen at some point. There are bad apples in whatever group of people you bring together. It just shows that gaming is maturing as an entertainment medium and becoming more widespread. If someone pulls a gun outside a football game or outside a race, the local news covers it but doesn't push any line about football being the cause of racing being the cause. The fact that I haven't seen any news reports talking about how a gun was pulled outside a competitive gaming event and, oh yeah, gaming is evil and caused it all, is a good thing. It's sad that people pull this type of inane behavior but perhaps we're seeing that the mainstream have finally given up on saying that video games cause violence? Nah...couldn't happen.
Yeah, I've heard all the arguments and it's pretty clear that XBox Live is a much more cohesive and complete solution to online play through a console BUT (and I own a PS2 and a Gamecube so there's probably bias in what I am saying) the PS2 online experience for me hasn't been as awful as people seem to be pushing. The main games I've played online have been Madden 2004 and SOCOM. SOCOM I didn't enjoy because I didn't enjoy the game itself but I did enjoy yelling "We got charlie all over" to the 12 year olds who didn't know who Charlie was. Other than that, SOCOM collects dust. I prefer mouse and keyboard for those types of games. Now, Madden 2004 has been great. I play it regularly online and have a good time. The problems with disconnects and pauses that the article mentions aren't really problems. There is a disconnect rate in every user's profile and one can just avoid those with high disconnect rates. I enjoy it a lot.
With all that being said, and coming from a PC gaming background, the lack of a service like XBox Live to sign into but rather a game to game solution to the situation hasn't really bothered me. I won't say it is unnessecary hand-holding but it is something I don't think I need to pay for. Now, what I would like is more online enabled games for the PS2 (and the Gamecube already!) but if there were going to be individual charges for games (that didn't have persistent worlds where there was a lot of overhead - PSO, Everquest), I would move to XBox Live. I'd rather pay a flat fee and get all the sports, fighting, and racing games I can play then pay for individual sports, fighting, and racing games.
Assuming I have misspoken somewhere in this long-winded rant and you have found my mistake where I said X but Y was correct, you may take my apologies and realize that I meant to say Y. (I just don't feel like playing the nit-picking game today, which is what happens on Slashdot a lot.)
Hey, have you noticed that Quake III and Unreal Tournament look similar? First person, shooting guys in narrow corridors and outdoor terraces, online play...JESUS CHRIST! this conspiracy has gone unnoticed...
Wait a second, Daytona USA and Ridge Racer...cars, going around a track, WOW! How deep does this rabbit hole go?
First of all, Sun can market their work any way they want to Walmart but since the end user is the person who is expected to have little technical knowledge, Sun still has to come up with a reason for the end user to want to leave Windows - and Walmart isn't going to invest into marketing for Sun's OS. Lindows was sold at Walmart because Walmart could sell at a reduced price. If Sun can deliver that reduced price, then Walmart might be interested. But your claim that people will flock to Sun because of their past work is completely flawed. Gee, has Microsoft been a successful company in the past? I think so. Most people aren't going to understand any technical details for why Sun is a better company or any of the nonsense you're pushing. In fact, your whole argument is pretty stupid.
You seem to have a real love affair going with Sun - why? What have they ever done for you? You trust Sun's ability to brand a computer? Wow, that's great. Why don't you go buy their fucking stock?
So you've proven me correct. Thanks. I made the statement that the word sale does not imply a reduced price. Since there is a definition for such an event wherein there is no mention of a reduced price, I am correct.
I don't think I was being obtuse at all. The fact is that while businesses often use the term "sale" to suggest that prices have been lowered, there is nothing in the definition of the word to suggest that is the case.
How are you refuting that statement I made? I don't see that you did at all but rather, merely insulted me.
There's probably some book on parenting that will cite all sorts of studies and other such nonsense but here's my completely uninformed opinion (and I have no background in the field): I think that there really aren't any video games that would be useful to a child that age. You might want to look into the new Leapfrog machine - educational games and I believe they have games in a very young age range. On a somewhat related note, when he does get old enough to play more traditional video games I think that one of the most important ways you can help him out is to limit his time playing. Encourage him to play outside (baseball, basketball, soccer [I guess], etc.) instead of sitting in front of the TV.
You think people shopping for computers at Walmart cared, remember now, or understand the statement "the network is the computer"?
Trying to appeal to the consumers understanding of the changing market and what companies have been in it the longest and understand it the best may work with the server market where informed admins are making decisions but the home user knows Windows - arguing history and logic with them to get them to switch is not a sound business strategy - in my opinion.
(I'm not suggesting Sun Microsystems is taking this route but I think you are suggesting that this type of argument would help Sun.)
But a sale merely means that objects are being sold. "New sale price" means that I am selling a product for a new price. "Sale price" merely means that the cost of the product in my sale (which I have every day, as the operator of a store - hypothetically speaking) is this price. In fact, "new sale price" doesn't even imply that the price is lower than it was previously.
I think people forget that any time any person or business sells anything, they are having a sale. "Sale" has come to take on the meaning of reduced prices but I don't think people's inability to recall the original meaning of words needs to be legislated.
What your reply is telling me is that you haven't even taken the time to look over recent U.N. mandates that take Israel to task for defending herself. You will not see any U.N. mandates regarding Palestinian homicide bombers for a reason - the majority of member states have anti-semitic representation.
I won't link you to any articles regarding this for a very simple reason. You spoke first. You didn't ask the original poster what he or she meant in regards to the U.N. having very anti-semitic undertones. Instead you just shot off a comment without any knowledge to back you up. You can easily Google some information for yourself. And, this is the final second I will waste on you - someone who obviously isn't here for intelligent discussion but would rather simply be a nay-sayer to whatever is posted.
Read it again - I was not blaming Clinton nor was I saying that Clinton was wrong in doing anything. And be sure to read it within the context of the comment I was replying to. The person who I was replying to was making a statement that Bush's desire to go into space was somehow related to the war on terror or some other such nonsense. I was making the statement that oftentimes politicians have used foreign affairs as a tool to relieve pressure from internal problems - or that sometimes, since the Presidency involves more than just handling a small portion of the government, there are fortunate circumstances that develop. This includes missile strikes.
And the whole "Osama bin Laden - that name might ring a bell" came off as very rude. Why take that tone with me?
what a naive view of the whole situation you have. you don't understand anything about free market capitalism, do you? if a player does not assert his or her rights as the copyright owner, then the backing company (we're talking about MMORPGs here, not MUDs run by a devoted player) will take it and find a way to make money off of it. for instance, you create a chair in-game. the company takes this chair and begins including it in the next iteration of the game - not compensating you for your design in the least. sure, gamers can shun the company although with the numbers these days, it's not so small scale that that will likely happen. you're just being so naive, it's sad.
What if there is an element in human nature to do battle, resident from the hunter-gatherer time period, within the human mind and that by playing these games, the desire is satisfied and makes people much more pleasant to deal with?
Acting out one's deviant desires in a non-destructive manner seems pretty healthy to me. Or do you prefer to bottle up your anger and rage?
Well, as much as you want to think that your opinion is everyone's opinion, I would wager a guess that some people enjoy Manhunt and FFX-2. I have played neither so don't think that I'm offended because you insulted either of these games. The point of linking to such an article as this is to get people discussing what good games are out there. The video games you enjoy are subjective and just because 90% of people enjoy a game, doesn't mean that I will. With that being said, any list that says "These are the best video games/tv shows/websites/bread mixes of the year" is bound to have something on the list that you don't agree with. Don't be silly.
Check inflation - a quarter to play the game when it was originally released is just about the same as 50 cents to play it now. In fact, most arcades want games that will bring in whole dollars these days.
Ah, thanks for that bit about Zenith. Do you know of any big electronics companies that are still based in the U.S.?
I realize that most manufacturing is not done in the United States, but I'd like a company to at least have the headquarters in this country. And yes, increased X-Box sales do help the American economy. Lots and lots of game development takes place in this country - the more consoles out there, the more development taking place.
I believe you're referring to the SOCOM commercial..playable online with only a PS2. Of course, the government wouldn't have to pay XBox Live subscription fees if they want with a Sony solution AND more people have PS2's so there'd be a higher likelihood that friends and families back home would be able to take advantage of this and play with/against the troops. Of course, MS was founded in the states and Sony was not so that may play a role - as it should. Let's help our economy before we help anyone else's.
Zenith is a manufacturer of many electronics goods and was founded in Chicago in the 1920's. Think about that next time you're at Best Buy.
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My checkbook is open Mr. Taco - all you have to do is give me the answers to write you the dollars.
Even if they didn't say it would be playable online, it really should have been. I would own Double Dash and the broadband adapter right now if it were online enabled. I know Nintendo doesn't want to invest in online heavily right now but I think they're making a mistake. As well as the Gamecube has been selling and as killer an app as Mario Kart is, I think Mario Kart online could have helped them that much more.
that or he decided he didn't like legal download sites so then went to investigate them in order to gather facts to use when making his argument against them.
It was bound to happen at some point. There are bad apples in whatever group of people you bring together. It just shows that gaming is maturing as an entertainment medium and becoming more widespread. If someone pulls a gun outside a football game or outside a race, the local news covers it but doesn't push any line about football being the cause of racing being the cause. The fact that I haven't seen any news reports talking about how a gun was pulled outside a competitive gaming event and, oh yeah, gaming is evil and caused it all, is a good thing. It's sad that people pull this type of inane behavior but perhaps we're seeing that the mainstream have finally given up on saying that video games cause violence? Nah...couldn't happen.
Wow, name-calling. CNN should hire you for Crossfire. You'd rule!
As I thought I implied, if EA starts to charge for games online - I will move to XBox Live and/or the Sega franchise.
With all that being said, and coming from a PC gaming background, the lack of a service like XBox Live to sign into but rather a game to game solution to the situation hasn't really bothered me. I won't say it is unnessecary hand-holding but it is something I don't think I need to pay for. Now, what I would like is more online enabled games for the PS2 (and the Gamecube already!) but if there were going to be individual charges for games (that didn't have persistent worlds where there was a lot of overhead - PSO, Everquest), I would move to XBox Live. I'd rather pay a flat fee and get all the sports, fighting, and racing games I can play then pay for individual sports, fighting, and racing games.
Assuming I have misspoken somewhere in this long-winded rant and you have found my mistake where I said X but Y was correct, you may take my apologies and realize that I meant to say Y. (I just don't feel like playing the nit-picking game today, which is what happens on Slashdot a lot.)
Hey, have you noticed that Quake III and Unreal Tournament look similar? First person, shooting guys in narrow corridors and outdoor terraces, online play...JESUS CHRIST! this conspiracy has gone unnoticed...
Wait a second, Daytona USA and Ridge Racer...cars, going around a track, WOW! How deep does this rabbit hole go?
First of all, Sun can market their work any way they want to Walmart but since the end user is the person who is expected to have little technical knowledge, Sun still has to come up with a reason for the end user to want to leave Windows - and Walmart isn't going to invest into marketing for Sun's OS. Lindows was sold at Walmart because Walmart could sell at a reduced price. If Sun can deliver that reduced price, then Walmart might be interested. But your claim that people will flock to Sun because of their past work is completely flawed. Gee, has Microsoft been a successful company in the past? I think so. Most people aren't going to understand any technical details for why Sun is a better company or any of the nonsense you're pushing. In fact, your whole argument is pretty stupid.
You seem to have a real love affair going with Sun - why? What have they ever done for you? You trust Sun's ability to brand a computer? Wow, that's great. Why don't you go buy their fucking stock?
maybe you shouldn't post so early in the morning. :P
Go ahead, be picky. I'm correct.
How are you refuting that statement I made? I don't see that you did at all but rather, merely insulted me.
There's probably some book on parenting that will cite all sorts of studies and other such nonsense but here's my completely uninformed opinion (and I have no background in the field): I think that there really aren't any video games that would be useful to a child that age. You might want to look into the new Leapfrog machine - educational games and I believe they have games in a very young age range. On a somewhat related note, when he does get old enough to play more traditional video games I think that one of the most important ways you can help him out is to limit his time playing. Encourage him to play outside (baseball, basketball, soccer [I guess], etc.) instead of sitting in front of the TV.
Trying to appeal to the consumers understanding of the changing market and what companies have been in it the longest and understand it the best may work with the server market where informed admins are making decisions but the home user knows Windows - arguing history and logic with them to get them to switch is not a sound business strategy - in my opinion.
(I'm not suggesting Sun Microsystems is taking this route but I think you are suggesting that this type of argument would help Sun.)
I think people forget that any time any person or business sells anything, they are having a sale. "Sale" has come to take on the meaning of reduced prices but I don't think people's inability to recall the original meaning of words needs to be legislated.
I won't link you to any articles regarding this for a very simple reason. You spoke first. You didn't ask the original poster what he or she meant in regards to the U.N. having very anti-semitic undertones. Instead you just shot off a comment without any knowledge to back you up. You can easily Google some information for yourself. And, this is the final second I will waste on you - someone who obviously isn't here for intelligent discussion but would rather simply be a nay-sayer to whatever is posted.
And the whole "Osama bin Laden - that name might ring a bell" came off as very rude. Why take that tone with me?
what a naive view of the whole situation you have. you don't understand anything about free market capitalism, do you? if a player does not assert his or her rights as the copyright owner, then the backing company (we're talking about MMORPGs here, not MUDs run by a devoted player) will take it and find a way to make money off of it. for instance, you create a chair in-game. the company takes this chair and begins including it in the next iteration of the game - not compensating you for your design in the least. sure, gamers can shun the company although with the numbers these days, it's not so small scale that that will likely happen. you're just being so naive, it's sad.
have you even looked at the anti-semitic remarks coming from the U.N.?
Acting out one's deviant desires in a non-destructive manner seems pretty healthy to me. Or do you prefer to bottle up your anger and rage?
Well, as much as you want to think that your opinion is everyone's opinion, I would wager a guess that some people enjoy Manhunt and FFX-2. I have played neither so don't think that I'm offended because you insulted either of these games. The point of linking to such an article as this is to get people discussing what good games are out there. The video games you enjoy are subjective and just because 90% of people enjoy a game, doesn't mean that I will. With that being said, any list that says "These are the best video games/tv shows/websites/bread mixes of the year" is bound to have something on the list that you don't agree with. Don't be silly.
The majority do allow voice communication. Is the extra cost worth it so that "all" games are covered?
Check inflation - a quarter to play the game when it was originally released is just about the same as 50 cents to play it now. In fact, most arcades want games that will bring in whole dollars these days.
I realize that most manufacturing is not done in the United States, but I'd like a company to at least have the headquarters in this country. And yes, increased X-Box sales do help the American economy. Lots and lots of game development takes place in this country - the more consoles out there, the more development taking place.
Zenith is a manufacturer of many electronics goods and was founded in Chicago in the 1920's. Think about that next time you're at Best Buy.