>So with you the swipe will take 1 second, the entering, waiting, pin and taking is about 4-5 seconds. So still slower, but not ny an amount that should bother anybody.
No.
With me, like everyone else in the USA, there is NO PIN. So with swiping, it would be swipe card 1 second and put it in wallet, done. If the transaction is under some large dollar amount, there is no signing or anything either.
With chips, it is insert the card, and now stand there waiting anywhere from 5 to 20 seconds for it to eventually finish so you can finally put it back in your wallet. Net effect is, it is now annoyingly slow- we went from nearly instant to standing there holding a wallet, waiting and waiting for it to tell us to take our card out.
>I also have seen cards with borked magnetic strips, so there is that.
Oh, that is true. But so far it seems those are at least as reliable, based on my limited time with chips.
>So again: the real issue is that you did not adapt the PIN way.
There is no PIN way, we don't have PINs. Has nothing to do with me adapting, it has to do with me standing there waiting 5 to 30 times longer than I used to before I can move on to my next task. If we did have PINs, at least there would be something to do in that time that justifies the inconvenience.
>The only fail here is yours, you have to be a complete dolt to leave your card in a machine and walk away. This is a very rare occurrence in Europe
DUH!!! WE ARE NOT IN Europe. As I said in several replies now, there are NO PIN CODES HERE. So there is nothing to interact with on the terminal. You put in the card and wait forever, with nothing inbetween. If you can't realize there is a very different process without the PIN and how that plus the long delays can lead to forgetting the card, then you are the dolt, not me. (Plus I will say I have never left my card, I said I have almost done so a few times).
The chip is NOT faster than a swipe. NO WAY. I used to swipe the card instantly and put it back in my wallet. Done. The fastest I have EVER seen the chip card operate before I had my card back in my wallet was about 6 seconds. Huge difference.
>Because you insert the card and hold your hand by the the terminal while you enter your PIN, it's almost impossible to forget to take your card.
I told you, we don't and can't have a PIN... so the way YOU use it doesn't apply here. We insert the card and just wait forever.
>Corroded contacts? Ew, your wallet must be soaked in sweat or something.
Nope, it is clean and dry and perfect. Perhaps the contaminates came from the card readers. I don't know.
>Maybe you should get your bank to issue a PIN number, might make the whole thing work better for you.
Terminals here don't work with a PIN, it is not an option. So requesting a PIN wouldn't help or change anything because I wouldn't be able to use it anywhere I shop.
>The only fail I agree with is that you do not use your PIN.
We don't HAVE a PIN, so there is nothing was and choose to use or not use. There is no choice. No PIN.
>It takes about 15 seconds for the payment. Due to postings here, I have tested it and also looked at other people trying it out.
15 seconds is about 10 times longer than it used to take.
>I have NEVER forgotten my card, ever. I put it in, type my PIN and take it out while I have my wallet in my other hand. Almost everybody does it like that. Why would you NOT take it out again.
Because instead of swipe and put in wallet, which takes 1 second, you have have to insert the card, wait for 15 to 30 seconds or longer, someone is distracting you, cashier asks questions, does something, hands receipt.... all the while, the card is still there saying "DO NOT REMOVE" and you don't notice when it says remove. Again, THERE IS NO PIN. There is no interaction with the system whatsoever after inserting the card. So it is easy to forget during that long delay.
>Corroded card? I have been using these cards for I do not know how long. Never had that issue.
That's great for you. But my card, which is stored only in a clean wallet, had fouled contacts in just 4 months. VISA card.
>So yes, we get it: people do not like
Don't be so condescending. I have no problem with change, I have problems with change that makes something WORSE that it was before- more annoying, less convenient, more time consuming, less reliable. And that is my experience with this so far.
The chip thing is a disaster as far as I am concerned:
* It is slow as molasses. Just unreal! * It encourages you to forget your card. * The other day it took 5 MINUTES for it to finally work at a store, the stupid contacts on my card are already corroded and the card is only 4 months old. Guess what, if it doesn't read, they wouldn't allow me any other way to use the card (key it in or swipe it). So it is NOT RELIABLE. * There is still no PIN, so it doesn't prevent anyone from picking up my card and using it. * It doesn't protect anything with online purchases.
Fail for consumers Fail for stores Fail for security Fail for convenience Fail for economy
So much closer to anything they have offered since the Nexus 5, but still not a suitable replacement for my Nexus 5 because of the first two negatives.
- I want wireless charging option. - I want a reasonable price- this is too high.
I could even overlook the price if it has wireless charging. I just do not want to give up that incredibly convenient feature. Here are the positives and don't cares:
+ I want lots of battery life. This has it. + I want a freaking 3.5mm headphone jack. This has it. + I want a decent camera. This has it. + I want a full-powered smaller version. FINALLY, they offer it. + I want power/volume buttons on sides. This has it. + I want as pure/minimal Android as possible. This has it. + I want longest updates life. This will have it.
* I don't care about resolution, anything modern is good enough. * I don't care about fashion, it will be in a case. * I don't care about a fingerprint sensor. * I don't care about waterproof.
As long as we, the consumers have FULL CONTROL over what alerts we get. We should have the ability to turn off/on whatever we want. If you (the government) want to have them on by default for new devices, fine; but we should be able to decide how and what to get. Don't act like you (the government) have some *right* to communicate with our devices in any way you choose.
For example, I don't give a **** about amber alerts, there are days I am not out in the public and it serves no purpose but to annoy me. And I have apps that already give me CORRECT weather alerts. The ones through the carrier's forced app were always WRONG- scaring the crap out of me or waking me from sleep with super-loud sirens and stuff for things HUNDREDS of miles away that posed zero threat.
>"Last month a Slashdot reader asked for suggestions on how to handle the new 'cumulative' updates -- although the most common response was "I run Linux.""
Yep, still run Linux... I install whatever I want, whenever I want, however I want, on what I want. My machine belongs to me.
I love how clueless these "if you have nothing to hide people" or "you are in a public place people" are. One day it will come back and bite them and they won't know what hit them.
Just because one is a "public" place doesn't mean everyone should have everything they do and say documented for all time, to be shared with anyone at any time. Sitting at a table with someone at a restaurant, one should reasonably expect their conversations are not being recorded or have close-up video being stored, secretly. Same thing for in your car, or whatever.
>"During my obligatory service in the army I've spent a half the time working in the office with chain smokers."
We were talking about OUTDOORS walking past smokers for a few seconds. That is a NOT a measurable health risk. We were not talking about working inside a confined space for hours with smokers. That is a different story.
Your subject title sounds like it is arguing with me... yet your last two sentences agree with me. Just pointing that out.
My posting was in reaction to whiny people who want to try to get us believe there is any health risk to people smoking outdoors. There isn't. And people who want to claim otherwise have a political agenda or a psychosomatic disorder.
Is passing by cigarette smokers outside annoying? For most people (including me), yes. But try this as a mind-bender.... I am a semi-vegetarian and I can't stand the smell of cooking/burning meat. To me, the odor is very offensive. But is I went around claiming it was "harming" me or a "health risk" that would be similarly ludicrous. And most people cooking meat would think *I* was crazy for finding it offensive!
>" Or, better yet, second-hand smoking? There are several locations (my office building entrance, and in couple of corners around my location) where you cannot pass by without getting a nice dose of second-hand smoke."
That is just called annoyance, not health risk. The brief few seconds outdoor smell exposure you are talking about is probably something unmeasurably small, like 0.00000000001% the exposure of actual smoking. Once you walk into the building, you probably are breathing a zillion times more contaminates from paints, perfumes, plastics, carpets, wood preservatives, cleaning products, etc., continuously for many hours, day after day.
Why is this a surprise? It is what the manufacturers are pushing. Consumers have no idea that 99% of them won't notice ANY difference on their TV's from normal viewing distances between 4K and 2K. They won't know there is little 4K content, anyway. They will just by the one that is "better".
Same thing with the bluray players. You could say "new- supports popsicle mode for enhanced viewer" and other marketing speak and they will buy it.
I have not seen a single bit of evidence to support the word "explode" being used in context with the Samsung battery problems. I certainly believe they melt, catch fire, even burst into flames... but *explode*???
>"Considering that the fingerprint scanner and the screen already needed meat, what's the difference?"
So it never occurred to you that there might actually be people who do NOT want to use the fingerprint functionality; who do not want to enroll and/or do not want their data stored or used?
>"Though, an acceptance of a pardon is an admission of guilt."
He [Snowen] isn't innocent so it doesn't matter. There is ZERO question he broke the law. That isn't the point. He might have done the right thing and for the right reasons although that thing is be illegal. It is EXACTLY why the power of pardon exists.
I said they have never been more under attack, but I wasn't trying to imply they haven't always been under attack (I just think it is accelerating). I agree with everything you said!!
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>So with you the swipe will take 1 second, the entering, waiting, pin and taking is about 4-5 seconds. So still slower, but not ny an amount that should bother anybody.
No.
With me, like everyone else in the USA, there is NO PIN. So with swiping, it would be swipe card 1 second and put it in wallet, done. If the transaction is under some large dollar amount, there is no signing or anything either.
With chips, it is insert the card, and now stand there waiting anywhere from 5 to 20 seconds for it to eventually finish so you can finally put it back in your wallet. Net effect is, it is now annoyingly slow- we went from nearly instant to standing there holding a wallet, waiting and waiting for it to tell us to take our card out.
>I also have seen cards with borked magnetic strips, so there is that.
Oh, that is true. But so far it seems those are at least as reliable, based on my limited time with chips.
>So again: the real issue is that you did not adapt the PIN way.
There is no PIN way, we don't have PINs. Has nothing to do with me adapting, it has to do with me standing there waiting 5 to 30 times longer than I used to before I can move on to my next task. If we did have PINs, at least there would be something to do in that time that justifies the inconvenience.
>The only fail here is yours, you have to be a complete dolt to leave your card in a machine and walk away. This is a very rare occurrence in Europe
DUH!!! WE ARE NOT IN Europe. As I said in several replies now, there are NO PIN CODES HERE. So there is nothing to interact with on the terminal. You put in the card and wait forever, with nothing inbetween. If you can't realize there is a very different process without the PIN and how that plus the long delays can lead to forgetting the card, then you are the dolt, not me. (Plus I will say I have never left my card, I said I have almost done so a few times).
The chip is NOT faster than a swipe. NO WAY. I used to swipe the card instantly and put it back in my wallet. Done. The fastest I have EVER seen the chip card operate before I had my card back in my wallet was about 6 seconds. Huge difference.
I still don't think you understand...
>Because you insert the card and hold your hand by the the terminal while you enter your PIN, it's almost impossible to forget to take your card.
I told you, we don't and can't have a PIN... so the way YOU use it doesn't apply here. We insert the card and just wait forever.
>Corroded contacts? Ew, your wallet must be soaked in sweat or something.
Nope, it is clean and dry and perfect. Perhaps the contaminates came from the card readers. I don't know.
>Maybe you should get your bank to issue a PIN number, might make the whole thing work better for you.
Terminals here don't work with a PIN, it is not an option. So requesting a PIN wouldn't help or change anything because I wouldn't be able to use it anywhere I shop.
>The only fail I agree with is that you do not use your PIN.
We don't HAVE a PIN, so there is nothing was and choose to use or not use. There is no choice. No PIN.
>It takes about 15 seconds for the payment. Due to postings here, I have tested it and also looked at other people trying it out.
15 seconds is about 10 times longer than it used to take.
>I have NEVER forgotten my card, ever. I put it in, type my PIN and take it out while I have my wallet in my other hand. Almost everybody does it like that. Why would you NOT take it out again.
Because instead of swipe and put in wallet, which takes 1 second, you have have to insert the card, wait for 15 to 30 seconds or longer, someone is distracting you, cashier asks questions, does something, hands receipt.... all the while, the card is still there saying "DO NOT REMOVE" and you don't notice when it says remove. Again, THERE IS NO PIN. There is no interaction with the system whatsoever after inserting the card. So it is easy to forget during that long delay.
>Corroded card? I have been using these cards for I do not know how long. Never had that issue.
That's great for you. But my card, which is stored only in a clean wallet, had fouled contacts in just 4 months. VISA card.
>So yes, we get it: people do not like
Don't be so condescending. I have no problem with change, I have problems with change that makes something WORSE that it was before- more annoying, less convenient, more time consuming, less reliable. And that is my experience with this so far.
I would +1 you if I had points.
The chip thing is a disaster as far as I am concerned:
* It is slow as molasses. Just unreal!
* It encourages you to forget your card.
* The other day it took 5 MINUTES for it to finally work at a store, the stupid contacts on my card are already corroded and the card is only 4 months old. Guess what, if it doesn't read, they wouldn't allow me any other way to use the card (key it in or swipe it). So it is NOT RELIABLE.
* There is still no PIN, so it doesn't prevent anyone from picking up my card and using it.
* It doesn't protect anything with online purchases.
Fail for consumers
Fail for stores
Fail for security
Fail for convenience
Fail for economy
*FAIL*
So much closer to anything they have offered since the Nexus 5, but still not a suitable replacement for my Nexus 5 because of the first two negatives.
- I want wireless charging option.
- I want a reasonable price- this is too high.
I could even overlook the price if it has wireless charging. I just do not want to give up that incredibly convenient feature. Here are the positives and don't cares:
+ I want lots of battery life. This has it.
+ I want a freaking 3.5mm headphone jack. This has it.
+ I want a decent camera. This has it.
+ I want a full-powered smaller version. FINALLY, they offer it.
+ I want power/volume buttons on sides. This has it.
+ I want as pure/minimal Android as possible. This has it.
+ I want longest updates life. This will have it.
* I don't care about resolution, anything modern is good enough.
* I don't care about fashion, it will be in a case.
* I don't care about a fingerprint sensor.
* I don't care about waterproof.
As long as we, the consumers have FULL CONTROL over what alerts we get. We should have the ability to turn off/on whatever we want. If you (the government) want to have them on by default for new devices, fine; but we should be able to decide how and what to get. Don't act like you (the government) have some *right* to communicate with our devices in any way you choose.
For example, I don't give a **** about amber alerts, there are days I am not out in the public and it serves no purpose but to annoy me. And I have apps that already give me CORRECT weather alerts. The ones through the carrier's forced app were always WRONG- scaring the crap out of me or waking me from sleep with super-loud sirens and stuff for things HUNDREDS of miles away that posed zero threat.
>"'Safe' Samsung Galaxy Note 7 Explodes in China."
Catching fire is not "exploding", it is "burning". But I know that is not sensationalist enough.
>"Sirius (Ubuntu only I believe): http://sirius.clarity-lab.org/..."
Thankfully it doesn't appear to be related to or require Ubuntu at all.
>Their motto is "Whatever, I do what I want".
LOL- I like it
>"Last month a Slashdot reader asked for suggestions on how to handle the new 'cumulative' updates -- although the most common response was "I run Linux.""
Yep, still run Linux...
I install whatever I want, whenever I want, however I want, on what I want. My machine belongs to me.
?? You have some serious mental/social issues.
+1
I love how clueless these "if you have nothing to hide people" or "you are in a public place people" are. One day it will come back and bite them and they won't know what hit them.
Just because one is a "public" place doesn't mean everyone should have everything they do and say documented for all time, to be shared with anyone at any time. Sitting at a table with someone at a restaurant, one should reasonably expect their conversations are not being recorded or have close-up video being stored, secretly. Same thing for in your car, or whatever.
So first we had "glasshole" (asshole),
I guess now we can have "snaphat" (asshat)!
>"During my obligatory service in the army I've spent a half the time working in the office with chain smokers."
We were talking about OUTDOORS walking past smokers for a few seconds. That is a NOT a measurable health risk. We were not talking about working inside a confined space for hours with smokers. That is a different story.
Your subject title sounds like it is arguing with me... yet your last two sentences agree with me. Just pointing that out.
My posting was in reaction to whiny people who want to try to get us believe there is any health risk to people smoking outdoors. There isn't. And people who want to claim otherwise have a political agenda or a psychosomatic disorder.
Is passing by cigarette smokers outside annoying? For most people (including me), yes. But try this as a mind-bender.... I am a semi-vegetarian and I can't stand the smell of cooking/burning meat. To me, the odor is very offensive. But is I went around claiming it was "harming" me or a "health risk" that would be similarly ludicrous. And most people cooking meat would think *I* was crazy for finding it offensive!
>" Or, better yet, second-hand smoking? There are several locations (my office building entrance, and in couple of corners around my location) where you cannot pass by without getting a nice dose of second-hand smoke."
That is just called annoyance, not health risk. The brief few seconds outdoor smell exposure you are talking about is probably something unmeasurably small, like 0.00000000001% the exposure of actual smoking. Once you walk into the building, you probably are breathing a zillion times more contaminates from paints, perfumes, plastics, carpets, wood preservatives, cleaning products, etc., continuously for many hours, day after day.
>"Now this may surprise some: "
Why is this a surprise? It is what the manufacturers are pushing. Consumers have no idea that 99% of them won't notice ANY difference on their TV's from normal viewing distances between 4K and 2K. They won't know there is little 4K content, anyway. They will just by the one that is "better".
Same thing with the bluray players. You could say "new- supports popsicle mode for enhanced viewer" and other marketing speak and they will buy it.
I have not seen a single bit of evidence to support the word "explode" being used in context with the Samsung battery problems. I certainly believe they melt, catch fire, even burst into flames... but *explode*???
http://www.dictionary.com/brow...
>"Considering that the fingerprint scanner and the screen already needed meat, what's the difference?"
So it never occurred to you that there might actually be people who do NOT want to use the fingerprint functionality; who do not want to enroll and/or do not want their data stored or used?
>"What makes them worse, than, for example, cats, deer or wild horses?"
Um, or dogs?
Or perhaps *humans*
>"Attention Linux enthusiasts. Your OS of your choice can finally work on laptops with Intel's Kaby Lake chips.[...] available with Ubuntu OS"
Being a Linux enthusiast doesn't mean being an Ubuntu enthusiast.... despite Canonical's hopes/thoughts/dreams.
But it is still meaningful, if Ubuntu will work, then so will Mageia, Fedora, SuSe, Mint, whatever.
>"Though, an acceptance of a pardon is an admission of guilt."
He [Snowen] isn't innocent so it doesn't matter. There is ZERO question he broke the law. That isn't the point. He might have done the right thing and for the right reasons although that thing is be illegal. It is EXACTLY why the power of pardon exists.
Surely you jest.
>"I've been wondering if Capitalism is fatally flawed. "
Of course it is... just like every other economic system in the real world. It is just LESS flawed than other systems.
With more freedom, there is more risk. It is an acceptable tradeoff. The mitigation is education.
I said they have never been more under attack, but I wasn't trying to imply they haven't always been under attack (I just think it is accelerating). I agree with everything you said!!