That game is still kicking as far as I know. I played it about a year ago and am pretty sure it is still doing ok. I imagine numbers are either staying steady or dropping off...but it was fun. It was basically a MMORTS version of Stracraft with more players and no resource management. Each map could hold about 40 players and there could be multiple battles going on all over the larger territory.
Wrong. Everyone wants the shotcut. Even if something is fun to one person, it isn't to another and they are willing to pay to get it done so they can concentrate on what they find fun.
So you want to punish the good players who are doing nothing wrong because you suck. Brilliant!
Let's take this in to the real world. You work real hard and become an expert in your field. Your company starts giving you raises that are higher that other people because you do more work and you do it well. But other people complain that you are working too hard and making too much money. They then threaten to fire you if you keep working beyond the ability of the other people because it ruining their work experience.
Hmm...I don't think being a game designer is in your future!
I disagree. Player skill absoultely matters. Using your abilities at the correct time, communiation, teamwork, and the ability to adapt to different situations quickly.
Yeah, gear can make a big difference. But to say that it has no skill is saying to me you never got very far or were a bad player. And I have played competitive Q2/Q3/CS so it isn't like I don't have experience in competitive gaming.
It seems the astro-turfers had mod points when I posted. Second life does not have 5 million users. That is laughable. They inflate their numbers to make themselves look better. Maybe 5 million have logged in over the hisotry of the game...but that many active users? Don't make me laugh.
I have no problem skipping over Second life articles. I have problems with Slashdot advertising for them.
As far as not knowing anyone of the 5 million people who play the "game"...I think that is significant. I have a wide range of friends from hardcore gamers to myspace junkies. If NONE of them has played the game...that is significant. I can spout off a ton of games that at least one of my friend's has played or is playing.
I am not asking for more WoW. I am asking for less Second Life ads. Usually people agree with me on this but I think the people Second Life pays off to post positive things on here had mod points.
Second life is just a game of ads at this point. People are just jumping on to get their name out there and then paying off people to write articles about it. Please, can we collectively decide not to participate in this ad fest and just not have articles related to second life anymore? Seriously, I wish there was some way to easily count how many Second Life articles there are in relation to other games. Compare it to the number of WoW articles and that difference would have to be staggering. I'd understand seeing a lot of WoW articles...because so many people play and enjoy that game. But I don't know a single person that plays Second Life. Please, make it stop.
Generally people who are bad at games feel this way. Some people are just naturally better. My brother and I could probably hop in to any random FPS and within an hour be better than a majority of the players. It is a wrong assumption to think all these people are teens with a lot of time. I think it is more likely that you have poor reflexes.
Though you do bring up a good point. Many, many people are terrible at games and find online play frustrating. Having cooperative vs. dumb AI is a lot more fun for them and there is probably a large market for this. PvP play is more for people who want to test their abilities against other intelligent people. They appreciate it because it is the ultimate form of competition. Sure, some people get egos over it and some are immature teens. But really, if you are actually up for a challenge that is the best place to get it.
Slashdot is this weird pseudo-reality where people do need to defend companies. People on here are highly skewed towards Linux, Apple, and Nintendo. Often it seems that no matter what these companies do, they are considered good while the other companies are considered evil. Fortunately, there are people on here that are able to objectively look at things and not let emotion cloud their opinions of things. Apple and Nintendo are just like any other company...they want your money. Right now they are the little guys that people want to root for to topple the horrible giants. But Nintendo has made numerous mistakes and I think god they aren't the only game console maker. Yeah, it is good to see the Wii doing so well. But to hope that they run the other companies out of business is stupid and short sighted. But that is the sentiment you get from the more vocal posters.
The popular opinion on Slashdot has little to do with popular opinion in general. The fact is that popular opinion about the PS3 is that it is just too expensive and doesn't have enough games that people want to play. Slashdot's opinion incorporates that but adds all these personal feelings due to root kits, shutting down companies, arrogance, etc. Certainly, their actions deserve some ire...but objectively, people go overboard on here.
In any case, on Slashdot it is perfectly reasonable to defend console companies. If people didn't, you would have one voice. Quite frankly I come on here to see differing opinions. Unfortunately, it seems like you get less and less of that these days and more "I love Nintendo, my grandma played Wii sports" and "me too!" posts getting modded +5 insightful rather than anything interesting.
By manipulating the perception of the populace that it is worth something by putting out articles about how awesome it is every 5 hours and getting dumb people at Slashdot to post it.
I can't stand all the Second Life articles...and by far I think Slashdot's perception of it is negative. But Slashdot is heavily biased. Who knows, maybe the MySpace generation eats this stuff up. I just wish I didn't have to read about it so often. You would think Second Life is bigger than World of Warcraft with the amount of press it receives and the number of articles posted to this site.
So now they download their pr0n during the day instead of at night. Instead of engaging in wholesome activities like playing CS:Source, they will go out drinking and fornicating. College students are going to find ways to be lazy no matter what you do. Just because you can track Internet usage and can't track the other stuff doesn't mean the solution is to cut off the Internet. You are just punishing people who could be using it to further their education.
In any case, I feel sorry for them because clearly they have stupid people in charge. But, on the plus side, they get some real world experience dealing with stupid people making decisions they have no say in.
I just don't get it. Just get a PS2 and play the games. The PS2 is cheap, is designed specifically to play PS2 games (duh). If I get a PS3, I really don't care that much about playing my old PS2 games. Yeah, it would be nice if I could just stick my PS2 games in my PS3 rather than flipping cords around...but it isn't that bit of a deal.
You aren't wrong in what you hope...but you miss the point completely. He isn't saying that one console needs to destroy the others so they don't exsit...he is saying that we are going to have to read stupid articles about the console war until there is one clear winner.
While there are legitimate questions in here...this is flamebait and I seriously hope this question isn't asked. At least not in the way stratjakt asked it.
I personally have no proof. I didn't blow the thing wide open. I am going off their accounts. But let us make this simple, ok? BoB had a dev cheating for them. This gave BoB and advantage. You must be A) part of BoB or B) a little thick if you aren't upset that an alliance had someone cheating for them. If you want to be naieve and convince yourself there was no other foul play, that's fine. But if you enjoy playing a game where they cheat, try to cover up that they cheat until there is no way to lie anymore, delete posts and ban users that catch them cheating then only partially deal with the situation...by all means, go for it. But I expect more from a company I am giving ~15 bucks a month to.
But please, continue...all this STFU stuff is only further showing the level of maturity and intelligence that the Eve community contains. (though, as a note, there are nice, interesting, smart people in Eve...you just rarely see them in the forums)
Just the sort of attitude typical of Eve as well. You just didn't ask me for my stuff. They got other advantages from having the dev in there as well (they knew exactly what to train for and what to do for new content). But if you want to live in a world where CCP didn't screw up the universe, that's fine.
But really, if a community full of elitist assholes is your idea of a good time, you too will enjoy Eve. I always love how you guys put down WoW. Shows you have the maturity of a 6 year old. Really, you shouldn't be jealous that so many people like WoW more than Eve. Eve servers can barely handle the current population, much less anywhere near the people playing WoW.
Not really. Eve likes to make itself out as a more intelligent game for a different type of gamer...but it is really just more of the same. It has a bit more of a learning curve...but complexity has more to do with the piss poor interface because you have to click through multiple menus rather than actually requiring any true intelligence. They seem to confuse making things tedious with skill (but I digress, this is just me venting on how a good game could be so much better).
In any case, people get tired of WoW, FFXI, etc and want to try something different. So they try Eve. Some hardcore people stick with Eve, some stick with WoW, some float between the two. People who have been playing the longest have the most invested, so they are going to stick with their game. They sing the praises of their game and belittle the other one not because they like it so much more...just because they need to justify why they have spent 3 years playing the same game (generalizing here, obviously there are exceptions). I did enjoy Eve for awhile when I first played but eventually grew tired of it. I don't have time to play multiple MMOs...it is just the nature of the beast.
I would compare Eve and WoW to Counter Strike and Quake 3. One takes a bit more time to get in to, but they are both fun. People can enjoy both but they tend to prefer one or the other. The long time players of one put down the players of the other. Just that WoW and Eve are MMOs...which require massive amounts of time to play. Only those without a family or good job can really progress in multiple MMOs unless they are extremely casual in both. Thus they really are in competition with each other as people have a finite amount of free time to play.
It changed the whole shape of the galaxy. Whole sections of territory were owned by an Alliance that was able to control it due to the ill gotten BPOs. This is just one instance where they got caught. How much other crap are they doing? What's the point in investing time and money in to a game where the devs can get away with giving their friends and allies whatever they want? Why should I play a game where I get blown to bits by people with unlimited resources because of devs hacking the system?
Sure, the dev's character is deleted now and they reseeded the BPOs...great. But they didn't remove all the ISK generated by the BPOs. They can't take back the large advantage they gave this alliance over everyone else.
I quit the game due to the scandal and how it was handled. They just delete posts on forums that are damaging to them. I know a forum isn't free speech, but I have never seen a company so heavy handed about removing people's posts.
And the group that benefitted from the corrupt CCP employee got a huge advantage by this despite his denial. He is either clueless to how his game works or he is just trying to cover up (clearly the latter). The amount of in-game money these items allowed them to generate made them most powerful alliance in the game and the balance will be forever skewed because of it. The took the items away, but the damage is already done...they didn't take away the money those items generated to allow them to take over a large part of Eve. And since they only have one shard that everyone plays on, the game will be forever screwed for everyone in the game.
They didn't fire the corrupt employee, they didn't reverse all the damage he did, and I am sure things like this will happen again...they will just cover it up better.
Seriously, if you are looking for a new MMO, move on. Eve has to be one of the most boring, time sink filled game I ever played. Yes, their skill system is brilliant and removes one time sink...but with losses being so high, you have to spend tons of time grinding to make sure that you can replace what will get blown to bits. CCP is tainted and the taint has not been removed.
I hope you see this CCP. Thank god you can't delete posts here.
I disagree. These two are in direct competition like every MMO. It is just too hard to play multiple MMOs well. I am sure there are people who do this, but I know if I am playing one MMO, I don't have time to play another. If I do, that other MMO will be cancelled because it doesn't have enough content to keep me playing.
1) The title doesn't even match the text summary. 1/3 of console owners are adults vs. 1/3 of all adults online own a console. Big difference. I was trying to figure out how they could find out that the kid "owns" the console rather than their parents.
2) These aren't basement-dwelling rejects, either. Seriously, of all places, hasn't Slashdot moved way beyond this stereotype? I'd like to smack the person upside the head that wrote this. What next? Are you going to tell us women aren't dumb and should be allowed to vote? Thanks! It's 2007.
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That game is still kicking as far as I know. I played it about a year ago and am pretty sure it is still doing ok. I imagine numbers are either staying steady or dropping off...but it was fun. It was basically a MMORTS version of Stracraft with more players and no resource management. Each map could hold about 40 players and there could be multiple battles going on all over the larger territory.
Wrong. Everyone wants the shotcut. Even if something is fun to one person, it isn't to another and they are willing to pay to get it done so they can concentrate on what they find fun.
Except you can't turn your had 360 degrees. If you then put the turning on the analog control you lose strafing.
So you want to punish the good players who are doing nothing wrong because you suck. Brilliant!
Let's take this in to the real world. You work real hard and become an expert in your field. Your company starts giving you raises that are higher that other people because you do more work and you do it well. But other people complain that you are working too hard and making too much money. They then threaten to fire you if you keep working beyond the ability of the other people because it ruining their work experience.
Hmm...I don't think being a game designer is in your future!
I think you missed his point.
I disagree. Player skill absoultely matters. Using your abilities at the correct time, communiation, teamwork, and the ability to adapt to different situations quickly.
Yeah, gear can make a big difference. But to say that it has no skill is saying to me you never got very far or were a bad player. And I have played competitive Q2/Q3/CS so it isn't like I don't have experience in competitive gaming.
It seems the astro-turfers had mod points when I posted. Second life does not have 5 million users. That is laughable. They inflate their numbers to make themselves look better. Maybe 5 million have logged in over the hisotry of the game...but that many active users? Don't make me laugh.
I have no problem skipping over Second life articles. I have problems with Slashdot advertising for them.
As far as not knowing anyone of the 5 million people who play the "game"...I think that is significant. I have a wide range of friends from hardcore gamers to myspace junkies. If NONE of them has played the game...that is significant. I can spout off a ton of games that at least one of my friend's has played or is playing.
I am not asking for more WoW. I am asking for less Second Life ads. Usually people agree with me on this but I think the people Second Life pays off to post positive things on here had mod points.
Second life is just a game of ads at this point. People are just jumping on to get their name out there and then paying off people to write articles about it. Please, can we collectively decide not to participate in this ad fest and just not have articles related to second life anymore? Seriously, I wish there was some way to easily count how many Second Life articles there are in relation to other games. Compare it to the number of WoW articles and that difference would have to be staggering. I'd understand seeing a lot of WoW articles...because so many people play and enjoy that game. But I don't know a single person that plays Second Life. Please, make it stop.
Generally people who are bad at games feel this way. Some people are just naturally better. My brother and I could probably hop in to any random FPS and within an hour be better than a majority of the players. It is a wrong assumption to think all these people are teens with a lot of time. I think it is more likely that you have poor reflexes.
Though you do bring up a good point. Many, many people are terrible at games and find online play frustrating. Having cooperative vs. dumb AI is a lot more fun for them and there is probably a large market for this. PvP play is more for people who want to test their abilities against other intelligent people. They appreciate it because it is the ultimate form of competition. Sure, some people get egos over it and some are immature teens. But really, if you are actually up for a challenge that is the best place to get it.
Slashdot is this weird pseudo-reality where people do need to defend companies. People on here are highly skewed towards Linux, Apple, and Nintendo. Often it seems that no matter what these companies do, they are considered good while the other companies are considered evil. Fortunately, there are people on here that are able to objectively look at things and not let emotion cloud their opinions of things. Apple and Nintendo are just like any other company...they want your money. Right now they are the little guys that people want to root for to topple the horrible giants. But Nintendo has made numerous mistakes and I think god they aren't the only game console maker. Yeah, it is good to see the Wii doing so well. But to hope that they run the other companies out of business is stupid and short sighted. But that is the sentiment you get from the more vocal posters.
The popular opinion on Slashdot has little to do with popular opinion in general. The fact is that popular opinion about the PS3 is that it is just too expensive and doesn't have enough games that people want to play. Slashdot's opinion incorporates that but adds all these personal feelings due to root kits, shutting down companies, arrogance, etc. Certainly, their actions deserve some ire...but objectively, people go overboard on here.
In any case, on Slashdot it is perfectly reasonable to defend console companies. If people didn't, you would have one voice. Quite frankly I come on here to see differing opinions. Unfortunately, it seems like you get less and less of that these days and more "I love Nintendo, my grandma played Wii sports" and "me too!" posts getting modded +5 insightful rather than anything interesting.
By manipulating the perception of the populace that it is worth something by putting out articles about how awesome it is every 5 hours and getting dumb people at Slashdot to post it.
I can't stand all the Second Life articles...and by far I think Slashdot's perception of it is negative. But Slashdot is heavily biased. Who knows, maybe the MySpace generation eats this stuff up. I just wish I didn't have to read about it so often. You would think Second Life is bigger than World of Warcraft with the amount of press it receives and the number of articles posted to this site.
Yeah, that sounds great, except the DS isn't a freaking console.
So now they download their pr0n during the day instead of at night. Instead of engaging in wholesome activities like playing CS:Source, they will go out drinking and fornicating. College students are going to find ways to be lazy no matter what you do. Just because you can track Internet usage and can't track the other stuff doesn't mean the solution is to cut off the Internet. You are just punishing people who could be using it to further their education.
In any case, I feel sorry for them because clearly they have stupid people in charge. But, on the plus side, they get some real world experience dealing with stupid people making decisions they have no say in.
I just don't get it. Just get a PS2 and play the games. The PS2 is cheap, is designed specifically to play PS2 games (duh). If I get a PS3, I really don't care that much about playing my old PS2 games. Yeah, it would be nice if I could just stick my PS2 games in my PS3 rather than flipping cords around...but it isn't that bit of a deal.
You aren't wrong in what you hope...but you miss the point completely. He isn't saying that one console needs to destroy the others so they don't exsit...he is saying that we are going to have to read stupid articles about the console war until there is one clear winner.
13"? I'd hardly see the reason to get any console with a TV that small.
While there are legitimate questions in here...this is flamebait and I seriously hope this question isn't asked. At least not in the way stratjakt asked it.
I personally have no proof. I didn't blow the thing wide open. I am going off their accounts. But let us make this simple, ok? BoB had a dev cheating for them. This gave BoB and advantage. You must be A) part of BoB or B) a little thick if you aren't upset that an alliance had someone cheating for them. If you want to be naieve and convince yourself there was no other foul play, that's fine. But if you enjoy playing a game where they cheat, try to cover up that they cheat until there is no way to lie anymore, delete posts and ban users that catch them cheating then only partially deal with the situation...by all means, go for it. But I expect more from a company I am giving ~15 bucks a month to.
But please, continue...all this STFU stuff is only further showing the level of maturity and intelligence that the Eve community contains. (though, as a note, there are nice, interesting, smart people in Eve...you just rarely see them in the forums)
Just the sort of attitude typical of Eve as well. You just didn't ask me for my stuff. They got other advantages from having the dev in there as well (they knew exactly what to train for and what to do for new content). But if you want to live in a world where CCP didn't screw up the universe, that's fine.
But really, if a community full of elitist assholes is your idea of a good time, you too will enjoy Eve. I always love how you guys put down WoW. Shows you have the maturity of a 6 year old. Really, you shouldn't be jealous that so many people like WoW more than Eve. Eve servers can barely handle the current population, much less anywhere near the people playing WoW.
Not really. Eve likes to make itself out as a more intelligent game for a different type of gamer...but it is really just more of the same. It has a bit more of a learning curve...but complexity has more to do with the piss poor interface because you have to click through multiple menus rather than actually requiring any true intelligence. They seem to confuse making things tedious with skill (but I digress, this is just me venting on how a good game could be so much better).
In any case, people get tired of WoW, FFXI, etc and want to try something different. So they try Eve. Some hardcore people stick with Eve, some stick with WoW, some float between the two. People who have been playing the longest have the most invested, so they are going to stick with their game. They sing the praises of their game and belittle the other one not because they like it so much more...just because they need to justify why they have spent 3 years playing the same game (generalizing here, obviously there are exceptions). I did enjoy Eve for awhile when I first played but eventually grew tired of it. I don't have time to play multiple MMOs...it is just the nature of the beast.
I would compare Eve and WoW to Counter Strike and Quake 3. One takes a bit more time to get in to, but they are both fun. People can enjoy both but they tend to prefer one or the other. The long time players of one put down the players of the other. Just that WoW and Eve are MMOs...which require massive amounts of time to play. Only those without a family or good job can really progress in multiple MMOs unless they are extremely casual in both. Thus they really are in competition with each other as people have a finite amount of free time to play.
It changed the whole shape of the galaxy. Whole sections of territory were owned by an Alliance that was able to control it due to the ill gotten BPOs. This is just one instance where they got caught. How much other crap are they doing? What's the point in investing time and money in to a game where the devs can get away with giving their friends and allies whatever they want? Why should I play a game where I get blown to bits by people with unlimited resources because of devs hacking the system?
Sure, the dev's character is deleted now and they reseeded the BPOs...great. But they didn't remove all the ISK generated by the BPOs. They can't take back the large advantage they gave this alliance over everyone else.
Can you see how this is fairl significant?
I quit the game due to the scandal and how it was handled. They just delete posts on forums that are damaging to them. I know a forum isn't free speech, but I have never seen a company so heavy handed about removing people's posts.
And the group that benefitted from the corrupt CCP employee got a huge advantage by this despite his denial. He is either clueless to how his game works or he is just trying to cover up (clearly the latter). The amount of in-game money these items allowed them to generate made them most powerful alliance in the game and the balance will be forever skewed because of it. The took the items away, but the damage is already done...they didn't take away the money those items generated to allow them to take over a large part of Eve. And since they only have one shard that everyone plays on, the game will be forever screwed for everyone in the game.
They didn't fire the corrupt employee, they didn't reverse all the damage he did, and I am sure things like this will happen again...they will just cover it up better.
Seriously, if you are looking for a new MMO, move on. Eve has to be one of the most boring, time sink filled game I ever played. Yes, their skill system is brilliant and removes one time sink...but with losses being so high, you have to spend tons of time grinding to make sure that you can replace what will get blown to bits. CCP is tainted and the taint has not been removed.
I hope you see this CCP. Thank god you can't delete posts here.
I disagree. These two are in direct competition like every MMO. It is just too hard to play multiple MMOs well. I am sure there are people who do this, but I know if I am playing one MMO, I don't have time to play another. If I do, that other MMO will be cancelled because it doesn't have enough content to keep me playing.
1) The title doesn't even match the text summary. 1/3 of console owners are adults vs. 1/3 of all adults online own a console. Big difference. I was trying to figure out how they could find out that the kid "owns" the console rather than their parents.
2) These aren't basement-dwelling rejects, either. Seriously, of all places, hasn't Slashdot moved way beyond this stereotype? I'd like to smack the person upside the head that wrote this. What next? Are you going to tell us women aren't dumb and should be allowed to vote? Thanks! It's 2007.