A bunch of Americans and European Zionists invade Palestine and push the indigenous people out.
The Palestinians resist.
The Zionists are outraged and they crackdown on the Palestinians. The Zionists steal more land. They justify it with; serves them right, the Bible says so, booty of war, they started it, etc. The Zionists declare the state of Israel. They declare that Israel is for Jews (only). Palestinians denied equal rights.
The Palestinians resist. They get more organized. The other Arab countries help in driving out the invaders.
The Israelis are better armed and led and defeat the Arab armies. They take more land and drive out the Palestinians. It serves them right, the Bible says so, booty of war, they started it, etc.
The Palestinians resist. They are poorly armed and led and are easily defeated. More land is stolen.
There are more wars against Israel. Israel is a regional superpower and is easily victorious. It is armed with the most advanced conventional weapons and a large nuclear arsenal. With American backing Israel has an unlimited supply of money and weapons. Israel cracks down. They take more land and drive out the Palestinians. It serves them right, the Bible says so, booty of war, they started it, etc.
The Palestinians resist. They are getting more effective with weapons that Israel cannot counter; terrorism and suicide bombings.
Israel cracks down. They take more land and drive out the Palestinians. It serves them right, the Bible says so, booty of war, they started it, etc. There is talk of the "Israeli final solution". Israel uses death squads to kill Palestinians. The call them "terrorists" but are rather casual in applying the label. Water and food are used as weapons.
The Palestinians resist.
Etc.
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Does anyone see a pattern here? Will more technology make the oppression so effective that Israel will have peace? Not likely. The more Israel oppresses the Palestinians the more they will resist. Perhaps this pattern needs to be broken?
Let us demand that Israel become a country of equal rights. Jew and Moslem, Caucasian and Semite, all equal! It is something that we Americans believe in for ourselves, let's apply it to Israel. Israel is a Jewish supremacist state and is living in a world of its own making. It has the power to change.
Spending big money to build a fab is Israel in idiotic! In the next war the Arabs will likely have longer range and more accurate missiles. The fab will make an inviting target. Israel is making no serious efforts at a just peace; giving the Palestinians equal rights and stopping the theft of Palestinian land. Another war is inevitable.
You will save more Israeli's if you end the oppression and give the Palestinians their rights. Oppression has not been working too well for you, has it?
Passive RFID tags are easily cloned. Someone standing near you can scan your tag and have a clone. Takes about two seconds. You might as well leave the keys in your car and all your doors unlocked. There is zero security.
We all should sit back and watch this next historic event unfold. We do live in amazing times! We saw the collapse of the Soviet Empire, an astounding event! Even more astounding was that it happened without a world war. We saw the end of Apartheid in South Africa. A major step forward for the African continent.
We, in the west, could sit back and watch those events on TV in the relative safety of our homes. We could cheer from the sidelines. For others it was different. Those events were not very pleasant for the Russians or the white South Africans.
Now it is our turn. We are getting kicked out of the Middle East. Our long standing policy of propping up kings, dictators, and Zionists is collapsing before our eyes. It is going to be ugly.
However, it is the history of the world. Britain lost its empire though widespread disorganized uprisings across the Empire. It was very painful for the British. The French had an ugly time in Algeria. The Belgians had the Congo. They all screamed about terrorism but it didn't matter, their time was up and their only alternative was to go home. Now, our time is up.
So sit back, pop some popcorn and watch the history lesson. We should have learned this one the first time around.
You had better hope that they love your money more than their country! They are betraying their country. They are helping unwanted invaders make a success of the occupation. They are fighting for George Bush and not for Iraq.
In Israel your rights depend on your religion and ethnic origin. In America "racial profiling" is a dirty word. In Israel it is national policy. When they want to screen for terrorists they simply grab all the Arabs and work them over. They have no need for technology.
The Israelis will not be driven into the sea. If they are not able to live in a civil society where the Israelis and the Palestinians have equal rights then the Israelis will get back on the boats and planes on which they came. They can always just go home.
Do not listen to wild stories of "great caliphate" that panicked American general's scream about. The Arabs cannot invade the west, they don't have enough boats.;-)
These discussions always seem to end with name calling. That seems to be the only out for Zionists that have run out of legitimate arguments.
We do need to start discussing Israel honestly. For half a century we always used the fantasy "Israel" that the Zionists have created for us. Now is the time for truth. Sweep away the euphemisms, call a spade a spade.
It is interesting to note that people who defend Israel cannot actually defend Israel. They always point the finger elsewhere. They mention the poor human rights records on other countries in the hopes that you will forget the worse record of Israel. What other country in the world uses F16's, helicopter gunships, and tanks to oppress their impoverished minority? In what other country is the US bankrolling this oppression?
There is no Israeli peace movement. They are all Zionists! Ask any one of them; why not give the Palestinians equal rights? I have done so. Listen to their answer. You will understand why there has been no peace for 60 years.
The solution to the problem in Palestine is for Israel to give the Palestinians equal rights. Turn Israel into a civil society. The Israelis believe that oppression will bring them peace, it will not. Almost 60 years of experience should tell them that.
The Germans acknowledge their responsibility for the Holocaust. They condemn the Nazis and Fascist ideology. The Israelis still do not accept responsibility for the horrors that they committed during the Zionist invasion. Israel does not condemn Zionism.
Off topic post? When any subject relating to the old South Africa was discussed apartheid was always mentioned. When gold mining was discussed you would mention their treatment of their Africans. If the South African economy was discussed, apartheid was discussed. Why is it not natural to discuss Israeli racism and oppression when the subject of Israel is brought up.
I am not a racist. The solution to the problem in Palestine is for Israel to give the Palestinians equal rights. Turn Israel into a civil society. The Israelis believe that oppression will bring them peace, it will not. Almost 60 years of experience should tell them that.
There are two articles on today's Slashdot that seem to imply that Israel is a country just like any other in the rest of the civilized world. It is not! It is a country that discriminates on the basis of religion and ethnic origin. It is a country where ethnic cleansing is the norm. America and the rest of the world should have nothing to do with these thugs.
There are two articles on today's Slashdot that seem to imply that Israel is a country just like any other in the rest of the civilized world. It is not! It is a country that discriminates on the basis of religion and ethnic origin. It is a country where ethnic cleansing is the norm. America and the rest of the world should have nothing to do with these thugs.
This is all wrong. The president is a man of strong faith and weak intellect.
Using strong colors in a document just makes the president want to reach for his crayons and color in the spaces. That is not the way to get his attention.
The best way alert the president is through religious symbolism. If there were a cross on the top along with the words "From the desk of God" then the president would sit up pay attention. A system could be devised where the level of the threat could be indicated by the size of the cross. We need a system that fits the president.
Obviously the IDF wants people that can be turned into mindless killing machines. It is likely that some (most?) members of Israeli society make this transition easily. There are probably some Israeli's with a conscience that is harder to subvert. Could it be that D&D naturally selects people with a strong conscience?
I remember seeing a documentary about an IDF training session for their soldiers. It seems that some soldiers were feeling "bad" about killing Palestinian woman and children. The seminar stressed the message that they had a job to do and that killing Palestinians was unfortunate but necessary. They stressed that the soldier should feel good about a job well done. They found that with proper training, IDF soldiers could kill as needed and not feel pangs of conscience afterwards. They had been having problems with soldiers having continuing mental problems and these seminars seemed to help.
Could it be that certain hobbies, preferences, and tastes are indicators of the strength of ones conscience? Clearly ones beliefs do relate to how ones conscience works. If you hold a belief that some people are to be treated well and that other people can be brutally oppressed then your conscience is quite selective. If you believe that all people are to be treated equally then your conscience is probably not as malleable. All committed Zionists are of the first type. The IDF wants the first type of people and not the second. Israel has been in the oppression business for half a century so they must understand this very well.
I suspect that all the monsters of history understood this instinctively. Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler, Milosevic, etc. all committed horrors by getting people to join them. How did they do it? They must have been adept at selecting followers that were willing to follow an ideology and not be constrained by a conscience. Israel is making the process more sophisticated. Israel is now adding scientific research to this selection process.
It took a lot of blood to defeat those other ideologies and it will likely take more blood to defeat Zionism.
It does not matter where they build the wall; Israel would still be a racist state.
Israel would still have over 1 million Palestinians with Israeli citizenship that are denied equal rights because of their ethnic origin and religion. Even if Israel made the occupied territories "go away" they would have a Palestinian problem.
If Israel wants peace then they can have it; give the Palestinians equal rights. Until then the Palestinians will struggle against oppression as is their right. Most of the world backs them in this struggle, in time so will America.
When you hear of bombings in Israel, do not cry for the Israeli's, they live in a world of their own making. Israel continues to believe that they can have peace through oppression, they cannot. Israel is the worlds last standing racist state and time is running out for them. I hope that they see this reality and change. Until they do, I will support the Palestinian struggle.
I wish he would make an honest film about Israel!
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Michael Moore tells us a lot of things that we don't want to hear. F 9/11 is one of them. These days we desperately need more of his type.
We also desperately need to re-think our relationship with Israel. For too long we have been fed with large servings of Israeli propaganda. We need to see the other side of the story. I would hope that one-day he tackles that taboo subject. We don't need another "Exodus".
Israel is already the most efficient killing machine on earth, it is indeed
"Murder Incorporated".
Now we are working to make it even more lethal.
Their brutality has not brought them peace and for obvious reasons.
Israel's policy is "peace through oppression".
Israel never seems to consider having peace by the only way that works; peace through equal rights.
Lasers will not save Israel.
Nuclear bombs will not save Israel.
Guns, bombs, assassination, torture, and lies will not save Israel.
Only equal rights can save Israel.
That is what saved South Africa.
That is what brought racial peace to America.
Israel so caught up in their racist psychosis, Zionism, that they will never see the reality of their situation.
But America should be different, we have had our own civil rights struggle and we chose the right path to peace.
Why do we get it so wrong with Israel?
The Internet and alternate sources of the news are slowly destroying Israel. Back when there were the big three TV networks in America things were quite different. The combination of Israeli censorship and the blocking of any alternate sources of news allowed Americans to believe the pervasive Israeli propaganda. Back then we believed things like "Israel was a light unto the world" or "little heroic Israel is holding out against those terrible Arabs". These days no one believes that rubbish. The impact of the Internet is mostly on us, the Arabs already know what Israel is.
This is the same process that toppled apartheid and the USSR. Back then it was FAX machines TV and radio. Once people have access to many sources of information, good and bad, they will begin to make up their own minds. Information is subversive. Information acts below the surface. How it will impact society and when, cannot be predicted. Who would have predicted the fall of the USSR even 2 years before the actual event? The same with apartheid.
The Internet is only part of the process. It is also the hundreds of TV channels. It is the Palestinians getting better are presenting their cause to the world at large. All of these things are conspiring to destroy Israel. There is nothing that they can do. It is simply the power of truth to defeat lies. The Israeli's think that increased opression will save them. The Israelis have mountains of guns, fighter jets, money and even nukes. None of those things will save them. They are the world's last racist state and the world sees them for what they are.
They think that high tech weapons will save them. Instead, it is the high tech Internet that is destroying them.
Slashdot Mirror
A bunch of Americans and European Zionists invade Palestine and push the indigenous people out.
The Palestinians resist.
The Zionists are outraged and they crackdown on the Palestinians. The Zionists steal more land. They justify it with; serves them right, the Bible says so, booty of war, they started it, etc. The Zionists declare the state of Israel. They declare that Israel is for Jews (only). Palestinians denied equal rights.
The Palestinians resist. They get more organized. The other Arab countries help in driving out the invaders.
The Israelis are better armed and led and defeat the Arab armies. They take more land and drive out the Palestinians. It serves them right, the Bible says so, booty of war, they started it, etc.
The Palestinians resist. They are poorly armed and led and are easily defeated. More land is stolen.
There are more wars against Israel. Israel is a regional superpower and is easily victorious. It is armed with the most advanced conventional weapons and a large nuclear arsenal. With American backing Israel has an unlimited supply of money and weapons. Israel cracks down. They take more land and drive out the Palestinians. It serves them right, the Bible says so, booty of war, they started it, etc.
The Palestinians resist. They are getting more effective with weapons that Israel cannot counter; terrorism and suicide bombings.
Israel cracks down. They take more land and drive out the Palestinians. It serves them right, the Bible says so, booty of war, they started it, etc. There is talk of the "Israeli final solution". Israel uses death squads to kill Palestinians. The call them "terrorists" but are rather casual in applying the label. Water and food are used as weapons.
The Palestinians resist.
Etc.
----
Does anyone see a pattern here? Will more technology make the oppression so effective that Israel will have peace? Not likely. The more Israel oppresses the Palestinians the more they will resist. Perhaps this pattern needs to be broken?
Let us demand that Israel become a country of equal rights. Jew and Moslem, Caucasian and Semite, all equal! It is something that we Americans believe in for ourselves, let's apply it to Israel. Israel is a Jewish supremacist state and is living in a world of its own making. It has the power to change.
Spending big money to build a fab is Israel in idiotic! In the next war the Arabs will likely have longer range and more accurate missiles. The fab will make an inviting target. Israel is making no serious efforts at a just peace; giving the Palestinians equal rights and stopping the theft of Palestinian land. Another war is inevitable.
You will save more Israeli's if you end the oppression and give the Palestinians their rights. Oppression has not been working too well for you, has it?
The problem is that while this type of technology works very well, it is the brains behind this whole war that are faulty. Technology cannot fix that.
Passive RFID tags are easily cloned. Someone standing near you can scan your tag and have a clone. Takes about two seconds. You might as well leave the keys in your car and all your doors unlocked. There is zero security.
http://www.ussliberty.org/
Israel stabs you in the back and then expects you to participate in the cover-up.
We, in the west, could sit back and watch those events on TV in the relative safety of our homes. We could cheer from the sidelines. For others it was different. Those events were not very pleasant for the Russians or the white South Africans.
Now it is our turn. We are getting kicked out of the Middle East. Our long standing policy of propping up kings, dictators, and Zionists is collapsing before our eyes. It is going to be ugly.
However, it is the history of the world. Britain lost its empire though widespread disorganized uprisings across the Empire. It was very painful for the British. The French had an ugly time in Algeria. The Belgians had the Congo. They all screamed about terrorism but it didn't matter, their time was up and their only alternative was to go home. Now, our time is up.
So sit back, pop some popcorn and watch the history lesson. We should have learned this one the first time around.
What are you talking about, "what are you going to use?" The answer is; your gun. In Iraq, American policy is that a bullet is the universal language!
On #2. Remember who is in Iraq on the receiving end; Halliburton, et al.
You had better hope that they love your money more than their country! They are betraying their country. They are helping unwanted invaders make a success of the occupation. They are fighting for George Bush and not for Iraq.
Isn't torture the universal language?
Do not listen to wild stories of "great caliphate" that panicked American general's scream about. The Arabs cannot invade the west, they don't have enough boats. ;-)
These discussions always seem to end with name calling. That seems to be the only out for Zionists that have run out of legitimate arguments.
It is interesting to note that people who defend Israel cannot actually defend Israel. They always point the finger elsewhere. They mention the poor human rights records on other countries in the hopes that you will forget the worse record of Israel. What other country in the world uses F16's, helicopter gunships, and tanks to oppress their impoverished minority? In what other country is the US bankrolling this oppression?
There is no Israeli peace movement. They are all Zionists! Ask any one of them; why not give the Palestinians equal rights? I have done so. Listen to their answer. You will understand why there has been no peace for 60 years.
The solution to the problem in Palestine is for Israel to give the Palestinians equal rights. Turn Israel into a civil society. The Israelis believe that oppression will bring them peace, it will not. Almost 60 years of experience should tell them that.
Off topic post? When any subject relating to the old South Africa was discussed apartheid was always mentioned. When gold mining was discussed you would mention their treatment of their Africans. If the South African economy was discussed, apartheid was discussed. Why is it not natural to discuss Israeli racism and oppression when the subject of Israel is brought up.
I am not a racist. The solution to the problem in Palestine is for Israel to give the Palestinians equal rights. Turn Israel into a civil society. The Israelis believe that oppression will bring them peace, it will not. Almost 60 years of experience should tell them that.
The best way alert the president is through religious symbolism. If there were a cross on the top along with the words "From the desk of God" then the president would sit up pay attention. A system could be devised where the level of the threat could be indicated by the size of the cross. We need a system that fits the president.
I remember seeing a documentary about an IDF training session for their soldiers. It seems that some soldiers were feeling "bad" about killing Palestinian woman and children. The seminar stressed the message that they had a job to do and that killing Palestinians was unfortunate but necessary. They stressed that the soldier should feel good about a job well done. They found that with proper training, IDF soldiers could kill as needed and not feel pangs of conscience afterwards. They had been having problems with soldiers having continuing mental problems and these seminars seemed to help.
Could it be that certain hobbies, preferences, and tastes are indicators of the strength of ones conscience? Clearly ones beliefs do relate to how ones conscience works. If you hold a belief that some people are to be treated well and that other people can be brutally oppressed then your conscience is quite selective. If you believe that all people are to be treated equally then your conscience is probably not as malleable. All committed Zionists are of the first type. The IDF wants the first type of people and not the second. Israel has been in the oppression business for half a century so they must understand this very well.
I suspect that all the monsters of history understood this instinctively. Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler, Milosevic, etc. all committed horrors by getting people to join them. How did they do it? They must have been adept at selecting followers that were willing to follow an ideology and not be constrained by a conscience. Israel is making the process more sophisticated. Israel is now adding scientific research to this selection process.
It took a lot of blood to defeat those other ideologies and it will likely take more blood to defeat Zionism.
If Israel wants peace then they can have it; give the Palestinians equal rights. Until then the Palestinians will struggle against oppression as is their right. Most of the world backs them in this struggle, in time so will America.
When you hear of bombings in Israel, do not cry for the Israeli's, they live in a world of their own making. Israel continues to believe that they can have peace through oppression, they cannot. Israel is the worlds last standing racist state and time is running out for them. I hope that they see this reality and change. Until they do, I will support the Palestinian struggle.
We also desperately need to re-think our relationship with Israel. For too long we have been fed with large servings of Israeli propaganda. We need to see the other side of the story. I would hope that one-day he tackles that taboo subject. We don't need another "Exodus".
Lasers will not save Israel. Nuclear bombs will not save Israel. Guns, bombs, assassination, torture, and lies will not save Israel. Only equal rights can save Israel. That is what saved South Africa. That is what brought racial peace to America.
Israel so caught up in their racist psychosis, Zionism, that they will never see the reality of their situation. But America should be different, we have had our own civil rights struggle and we chose the right path to peace. Why do we get it so wrong with Israel?
The IDF is famous for torture, assassination and opression. This is just some Israeli PR to deflect everyone from the reality of what the IDF does.
This is the same process that toppled apartheid and the USSR. Back then it was FAX machines TV and radio. Once people have access to many sources of information, good and bad, they will begin to make up their own minds. Information is subversive. Information acts below the surface. How it will impact society and when, cannot be predicted. Who would have predicted the fall of the USSR even 2 years before the actual event? The same with apartheid.
The Internet is only part of the process. It is also the hundreds of TV channels. It is the Palestinians getting better are presenting their cause to the world at large. All of these things are conspiring to destroy Israel. There is nothing that they can do. It is simply the power of truth to defeat lies. The Israeli's think that increased opression will save them. The Israelis have mountains of guns, fighter jets, money and even nukes. None of those things will save them. They are the world's last racist state and the world sees them for what they are.
They think that high tech weapons will save them. Instead, it is the high tech Internet that is destroying them.