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Intel On A Building Spree
Anonymous Cowherd writes "Intel will build two new facilities - a new chip plant and a new wafer plant. The new chip plant will be built in Kiryat Gat, Israel, continuing Intel's 30 years operation in the country. Intel already owns several facilities in Israel, both for R&D and for manufacturing. Previous developments of Intel Israel are the 8088 processor, MMX and the Centrino mobile platform. The new wafer plant will be built in an existing facility at Chandler, Arizona, and will feature 45nm technology - 1/1,333th the width of a human hair. The technology is two generations ahead of the current 90nm. Intel's Arizona operation includes production of the Pentium processor family and related chipsets."
Why don't they just takeover IBM's facilities?
"Simplify, simplify, simplify!" Thoreau
Thirth? I believe this should be 1/1,333rd.
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Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
Seriously...
If you buy a laptop in Saudi Arabia, do they pop it open to make sure that CPU/centrino chipset wasn't made in Israel?
Conversely, do the Israelis install tags in their chips to make them easier to find? Maybe that way they can sink the next USS Liberty just a little faster.
Don't you just love it when a number as incomprehensible as 45nm is finally put in a graspable framework such as 1/1,333 the width of a human hair? It's like the insight given by the statement that a mole of marshmellows would cover the US 512 miles deep.
"1/1,333th the width of a human hair" Will the newly hired employees be able to find the plant?
"The technology is two generations ahead of the current 90nm."
And it will take 2 generations to build.
There is truth in humor.
The new wafer plant will be built in an existing facility at Chandler, Arizona, and will feature 45nm technology - 1/1,333th the width of a human hair.
/sarcasm
Yay for science writers using numbers in dumb ways. So glad that all humans have all the same hair thicknesses, and they're all about 59.99 microns. According to various sources (and I've measured hair diameters myself), they range from 200microns down to about 50 microns. So the article should have stated that the 45 nm technology is somewhere between 9/10000th and 9/40000th the width of a human hair. Wouldn't that be much more impressive?
So much for the Made In The USA sticker.
They built a huge plan in Colorado right before the Tech Crash. The the crash came they abandoned the plant (the most expensive building ever in the state). Is this building unusable? It was supposed to be a "nest generation" chip plant after all!
Genius is one percent inspiration and 99 percent perspiration, which is why engineers sometimes smell really bad.
Maybe they'll actually finish these buildings, unlike the big development center they started in Austin and then left unfinished. A big, half-constructed building sitting in the middle of downtown for the last 5 years.
And the city council gave them millions in tax breaks to leave an eyesore downtown...
What I'd like to know is whos hair they use as this baseline, or is all human hair the same thickness?
Where's the waffle factory? We need to know!
According to google satellite, there is no fab plant in Chandler, Az!!
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
What is the estimate of how much water these plants will consume? Do the communities in which these plants are being put understand what the impact will be? Chip fabs usually consume lots of water.
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Isn't Intel based in the USA? Interesting to see that in light of the latest tensions between Israel and the USA Intel is going forward with the new factory deal and that the US government is not preventing them from doing that. Then again, the US government wouldn't bite a feeding hand, would it?
You can't handle the truth.
Alright... I'm just waiting for someone to post a comment here involving both Moore's law and Godwin's Law simultaneously.
Why does Intel always seem to locate it's new fab plants in deserts where water is scarce (they have a fab in Albuquerque as well), when fabs guzzle jillions of gallons of water a day? Israel isn't exactly a rainforest either...
I guess economic development trumps common sense. Personally I'd rather have the water.
I live down the street from a giant Intel plant in Hillsboro, Oregon. When the weather is cool and I feel like I need the extra exercise, I walk the dog around the perimeter. It is a touch under four miles round trip and has its own wetlands area where beaver, ospreys, and coyotes live.
Immediately across the street is some more Intel land. It has Intel no trespassing signs, but is . . . well, not vacant. It is a clover field. Sometimes you can see tractors plowing it up or harvesting the stuff. I guess Intel leases the land to a farmer.
Around two of the sides are great big walls of blackberry bushes. These are considered weeds out there, but produce great whopping crops of blackberries. I picked about three gallons last year, enough to make three pies and twelve jars of jam. Technically, one of the white SUV security vans could bust me for picking the berries, but it seems a shame just to leave them for the birds.
Mmmmmm.... wafers!
1) Build billion dollar fabs in places most likely to be bombed (e.g. Israel, Dublin, London)
2) Wait for attack
3) Collect billion dollar insurance settlements
4) Profit!
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
If you look at the Intel code names on their road maps, you'll see that they usually name their chips after rivers. Most of these rivers are in the western United States, but occasionally you'll see Israeli river names (Banias, for example). Grouping these names together, you can tell that Intel Israel usually works on low-power chips and integrated chipset features (SSE, Centrino, ...). That is, the heart of Intel cores is done in the U.S. They send their first generation designs to Israel for improvement and integration.
Intel, as well as numerous other chip makers, have had a long tradition of development in Israel. IBM, DEC (back when they existed), Freescale all have research centers in Israel. This is due to the large amount of English-speaking skilled engineers and their relatively low cost compared to US engineers. This is the first I've heard of actually making the chips there. Germany is usually the preferred site for fabbing in the European region.
Actually it's not clear if they are building anything new in Israel, as the Updated article mentions.
Same reason the republikrats left microsoft alone and didn't bitchslap them into oblivion after they lost that fine lawsuit vs the antitrust laws that this same gov't set forth years and years ago. I guess signatures and justice aren't as important as corporate campaign funding and bribes. Long live Amerika. Boy are we fucked!!
" What luck for rulers that men do not think" - Adolf Hitler
As reported Israel won over Intel after agreeing to pony up a $ 525 million grant, about 15 per cent of the $ 3.5 billion initial project cost.
In return ofcourse, Israel would get hi-tech jobs, supporting industries, and expertize.
I wish our politicians would look into future and invest wisely as Israel did.
- Sh!t
I don't know if it is wise to build a 4 billion dollar plant in such a politically unstable region. Call me paranoid but I just do not think it's such a great idea.
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I like how there are AMD ads on the page about Intel.
Also, I think the investment in Israel is a great idea. They are a strong ally and more investment will only help the cooperation.
Hmmm... Qiyrat Gat seems to be about 10 miles from the West Bank, and 15 miles from the Gaza border. Should be just within range of the new Nassar rockets Hamas is fielding. Sprawling semi plant filled with expensive machinery should make for a nice, fat target. And the economic damage to both Israel and an American company might make it worth the effort.
Let's see how long it takes them....
The i8088 was developed in the US, the i8087 (the fp math coprocessor) was developed in Israel.
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This anouncement makes it sound that the two fabs are making different things, chips and wafers. However all chips or made on wafers so in this context a wafer fab is also a chip fab and visa versa.
Why do people write about things without knowing what they talk about? Or at least try to find out, before writing something down.
here it is:
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Previous developments of Intel Israel are the 8088 processor...
For historical purposes it is worth noting here that the microprocessor was actually invented in San Antonio, Texas by a company called Datapoint (formerly Computer Terminal Corporation).
The architecture of Intel's 8080 processor was virtually identical to Datapoint's 8008 which preceded it by a couple of years.
It's not India or China for once, so this is original, it's good these things spread everywhere. A chip 'Made in the USA' doesn't seem all that impressive to me, may be for pick up truck 'Made in the USA' for for a chip... a Cell processor made in Japan sounds just as good. Or you can do like Apple, 'Designed in California by Apple' appears very big in the box and hidden somewhere you have the 'made in Malaysia' Israel has a lot of talent and impressive scientific achivements. I studied there for a while in the Israeli Institute of Technology and it is an MIT kind of institution. If they didn't go there they would still hire lots of people from there and take them to California. Jews have always been good scientists, Einstein, Oppenheimer and many many others.
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It was the 8086 that was designed in Israel. The 8086 was a cheaper version of the 8088. For instance, it used an 8-bit data bus rather than a 16-bit bus (but internally it was the same). It was chosen for the IBM PC, due to these cost advantages.
Is the Israeli plant the one that would have gone to Ireland if the EU hadn't kickup about Irish government subsidies?
The official Intel page states otherwise
http://www.intel.com/jobs/israel/sites/haifa.htm
The pioneering 8088 processor, Intel® math coprocessors, the i860® XP processor, Ethernet communication chips, and cache and memory controllers are a few of the more than 50 products designed in IDC (Israel Development Center)
So it sounds like both of them were developed there
They're temporarily adding 300 employees in Albuquerque for testing... Place called "Fab 7 Test".
:(
Like our Third World State needs 300 temp jobs to get folks' hopes up.
Mark
Here's the article in our local paper:
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http://www.abqjournal.com/news/apintel07-25-05.ht
Mark
So, in several countries, 1,333 is understood as 1.333 -- Would the US be one of those countries, or would France be one of those countries? Now I'm really confused. I guess I should find out by measuring my hair.
Im just happy when people put numbers like 12km into a graspable framework.
not even trying...that is, of course, unless you enjoy failing mierably, and sounding rediculous 1,333 is no more or less comprehensible than 45*10^-9 except only in certain frames of reference that are optimized for the comprehensibility of said number. The size of a hair is not one of them.
Looks like they have quite a massive plant in Arizona. See Google map.
Plenty of housing nearby for the workers too. It's almost like a whole town for them.
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I don't think people do relate to it. In other news, the question was brought up as to whether people might want a fire that can be fitted nasally.
Why, a "building riot!" And then they'll be "In the building zone!" ... And then they'll be accused of modding by the 12 year-old company in their game.
Go look up Hillsboro, Oregon. 15000 employees over many campuses.
I'm not a military strategist, hell I couldn't even get up before 8.am(for a bugle call), but "wafer" and "chip" fabs will be, to the next big conflict, what ball-bearing factories were in WWII.
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1. Hire Americans in Arazona
2. Layoff everybody and outsource their positions
3. PROFIT!
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The 8088 had the 8 bit bus. 8088 is to 80886 as 386sx is to 386dx :).
Whoops -- you're right!
And I believe you meant to say "8088 is to 8086" -- but then, who actually checks their posts these days? :-)
Are they building two fabs? Or are they building a single fab in the overlap between Arizona and Israel? Will the Arizona fab produce chips, or just wafers of silicon?
/. post says two plants, wafers in Arizona, chips in Israel. One Reuters article says that Israel says Intel will build a plant there, making goodness knows what. The other article says that Intel will make chips in Arizona, and are "no comment"ing on the Israel plant.
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I hope they didn't abandon it because I need to go to work tomorrow.
If you wanna call that kinky black shit hair more like a brillo pad.
Israelis do not vote in U.S. elections nor pay taxes into the U.S. Treasury's coffers. You sir, are a troll.
How can you tell that precisely an average human hair width? 45nm*1133=50895 nm, or 50.895 micrometers? Damn, the 5 nm of that 50895 is a single molecule size!
Or you just sampled one from your scalp and measured it?
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I found an article on About.com That says somethign totally different about who invented what.. And several other articles say even more different things. Seeing as most of these sites are "accurate" it seems we're all getting the wrong kind of information.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
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http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths
MYTH
"The U.S. has always given Israel billions of dollars without expecting repayment."
FACT
U.S. economic grants to Israel ended in 1959. U.S. aid to Israel from then until 1985 consisted largely of loans, which Israel repaid, and surplus commodities, which Israel bought. Israel began buying arms from the United States in 1962, but did not receive any grant military assistance until after the 1973 Yom Kippur War. As a result, Israel had to go deeply into debt to finance its economic development and arms procurement. The decision to convert military aid to grants that year was based on the prevailing view in Congress that without a strong Israel, war in the Middle East was more likely, and that the U.S. would face higher direct expenditures in such an eventuality.
For several years, most of Israel's economic aid went to pay off old debts. In 1984, foreign aid legislation included the Cranston Amendment (named after its Senate sponsor), which said the U.S. would provide Israel with economic assistance "not less than" the amount Israel owes the United States in annual debt service payments.
MYTH
"Israel continues to demand large amounts of economic aid even though it is now a rich country that no longer needs help."
FACT
Starting with fiscal year 1987, Israel annually received $1.2 billion in all grant economic aid and $1.8 billion in all grant military assistance. In 1998, Israel offered to voluntarily reduce its dependence on U.S. economic aid. According to an agreement reached with the Clinton Administration and Congress, the $1.2 billion economic aid package will be reduced by $120 million each year so that it will be phased out over 10 years.
(...)
Israel made the offer because it does not have the same need for assistance it once did. The foundation of Israel's economy today is strong; still, Israel remains saddled with past debts to the U.S., which, unlike those of Jordan and Egypt, were not forgiven.
MYTH
"U.S. military aid subsidizes Israeli defense contractors at the expense of American industry."
FACT
Contrary to popular wisdom, the United States does not simply write billion dollar checks and hand them over to Israel to spend as they like. Only about 26 percent ($555 million of $2.1 billion in 2003) of what Israel receives in Foreign Military Financing (FMF) can be spent in Israel for military procurement. The remaining 74 percent is spent in the United States to generate profits and jobs. More than 1,000 companies in 47 states, the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico have signed contracts worth billions of dollars through this program over the last several years. The figures for 2001 are below: (There is a table in the last link)
Furthermore, from the CIA World Factbook entry on Israel:
Budget:
revenues: $48.09 billion
expenditures: $52.11 billion, including capital expenditures of NA (2004 est.)
The US Aid is about 3 billion dollars.
thats less than 1.5% of the israeli budget! (revenues-wise)
So next time you are saying stuff like "Tax breaks which would not be possible if the U.S. stopped financially supporting the State of Israel" know the numbers.
Is Gwen Stefani going to do the marketing campain for that one?
The chip is Banias!
B-A-N-Aaaa-I-S
Oh yeah the chip is Banias...
ok i give up
According to The Inquirer, they aren't:
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http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=24894
http://news.com.com/Intel+to+build+next+plant+in+
You'll notice that these plants are *not* being
built in California. Intel made a statement
several years ago that it would not be building
new facilities in California. The reason, the
state is just to heavy handed with it's
regulation and burdensome bureaucracy. I guess
they are sticking to their word.
I use to have a house that was just down the road
from the Intel plant in Chandler, on Chandler
Boulevard. You would never guess that it is a
plant which builds microprocessors and other
electronic devices. That place is HUGE. It looks
big enough that it could be a car munfacturing
facility. Intel also has several other facilities
in the Phoenix East Valley. Looks like Intel's
future home probably lies in Arizona.
Intel doesn't build in Texas.
7 444,-97.748666&spn=0.006822,0.010070&t=k&hl=en
They would rather take millions of dollars of the states money, build a shell of a building and leave it to rot.
It's the skeleton building just west of the park:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=austin,+tx&ll=30.26
At least we know they arn't doing just it to save a quick buck.
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It'll be hell to keep the new intel chips cool
This is alittle out of date. Intel is building a new Fab in Arizona and adding onto it's fab in New Mexico. There are no plans to build more in Israel.
Great! Kosher Chips!
Thus, since Zionism is a belief that advocates the oppression of other semitic people in "Israel" based on racial and religious grounds it would be a difficult task to be both Zionist and not anti-semitic in some shape or form. Zionism is what is racist, it is the belief that Jews, based on their race and religious beliefs have a divine right to Israel whereas the other residents have less of a right to it because the Jewish holy text says so. Palestinians have darker skin, their lifestyle is slightly less clean and Western and chances are, you probably didn't go to school with a few Palestinians. Most non-jewish Zionists like Jews because they look and act far more white and they understand a lot of Jewish culture from the western media. The other problem is a gross misinterpretation of the bible, thinking that somewhere, in-between all of that salvation by grace, love and compassion there is a bit where God still wants us to kick some arse and support carving out an Israeli state right in the middle of the middle east and getting ourself rightly hated (and wrongly attacked) because of it.
I think a good model for this for non-Jews is set by Darius who gave Ezra permission to repopulate Jerusalem and Artaxerxes who gave Nehemiah permission to rebuild it while never getting involved themselves or renouncing sovereignty over the land (and thus causing trouble with bordering countries, many being anti-jewish for real). Both of these kings avoided the politic quagmire that exists today because they both knew that returning a nation to their homeland is a very nice thing to do, giving control of your territory and giving full support to ultra-nationalists is just downright bad for business. Persia never had to worry about the Suez Crisis or the Six day war, Persia never had to worry about diplomatic relationships with Arab countries being difficult or terrorist bombings because they helped out Nehemiah because they knew what to help them with and what not to. Back then the people got their temple, they got their own law enforced and they got their freedom and Persia got peace of mind knowing that it wouldn't have caused any problems (Persia owning Egypt and Syria at the stage didn't hurt either to be honest).
Anyway, I find if offensive to hear someone say that if one is sick of the trouble Israel is causing with its racial and religious discrimination, its multi-decade annexation of Palestine without giving the population of this territory rights and its hypocrisy in claiming the right to return after 1900 years in exile while forbidding Palestinians to return after 30 is a racist. I don't hate Jews, I don't even hate Israelis but I am getting mighty pissed off at the ones who want to sweep away the last two millennia worth of residents of Israel for the sake of religious and racial purity. Unfortunately, those types of Israelis make up a regrettably large segment of Israel's Jewish population. Thus, I see no reason why I should approve of someone building a plant in Israel any more than I would have approved of someone building a plant in South Africa twenty years ago.
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The natives detest everyone non-hispanic. i was threatened multiple times for being white. What a great place. Hopefully all of America will be like it in 20 years....
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Fucking jews are at it again. If there's money to be made, the jes are all over it like flies on shit. I say it's time that the U.S. bomb Isreal and wipe the scourge of those cockroaches from the face of the earth. Then the wealth can be freed up to go to it's proper owners: the black nationals of the African continent.
Oh goodie 45nm could mean an easy Quadcore from Intel wonder if they will use HT in it?
"The technology is two generations ahead of the current 90nm."
If it's the technology that comes after this one, doesn't that make it by definition next-generation technology? Is there some scientific basis for this, or is this just more marketing? As if "next-generation" is just not hyped-up enough...
and arizona is the surface of the sun so they dont have to spend money on their heating bill... AC on the other hand will be high... that and dust is a problem :) todays high was 108 and that was with it raining yesterday and cloud cover in the afternoon :) but then the other facility in Israel thats not really outsourcing cause they have most their operations there...
(yes i know i suck at spelling fell free to correct my grammar and/or spellin i dont care, im still not going to change
It is said the Intel factory in the Holy Land is built on occupied Palestinian territory. Because of this Intel CPUs marked "made in Israel" cannot be legally sold in some european conutries, to help the palestinian cause.
Will this new Intel location also stand on occupied palestinian territory?
But I think I'll stay outa this one..
My karma is already trying to punch a hole in the floor :(
I will gladly loose all of life's battles.. in order to win the war..
A few months back Washington County (the county where most all of Intel's Oregon facilities are located) announced a deal whereby Intel was given huge tax breaks by the county. In return Intel pledged to spend something like $20 Billion in Oregon over the next 10 years or so. That spending was supposed to create something like 3000 to 5000 more jobs here so the county went along with it thinking they would make up the revenue in property taxes from all those new residents (a questionable assumption anyway, since they would have to build all sorts of new infrastructure like schools and roads to support the increase in population - but I digress)
So now Intel announces that the next big new shiny fab will be located in Arizona. So what gives? Was Washington County taken for a ride?
Besides, doesn't Oregon have a lot more water than Arizona and don't fabs need huge amounts of water?
And then there's the possibility that a significant proportion of the Israeli labour force have a genetic mutation that makes them think faster, a sort of neurological overclocking. Or so some scientists at the University of Utah have claimed.
Why the fuck is Intel making shit in Israel ??
It's not like they are right around the fucking corner.
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I am so happy to hear that Intel is on a building spree. Now maybe they will finish construction on the five-story building in downtown Austin that they halted four and a half years ago.
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This thing is a frigging eye-sore:
http://www.pinkdome.com/archives/2005/06/brother_
Just imagine, Intel comes to your town and tears down some cool old stuff, starts construction on a large building and then stops, leaving a hulking mass of concrete and rebar in the middle of downtown. It has sat there unfinished for YEARS.
Now your (US) tax dollars might end up paying for the demonlition of Intel's unfinished building.
Nice, very nice.
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Just bought two dell pentium 4 3.0 GHz for $600 by getting a refurbished system. Back two years ago these systems would have cost $2500 each.Compaines like these decide there net worth by simply intorducing a next generation product.And by that everytime microsft is about to launch an xbox or new windows version or intel is about to unleash a new chip or sony with another playstation buy stock in the company and watch your profits soar. Dont belive look at the past if you would have done this when the earlier systems were released.
Wow, critize israel and it's flamebait huh?
evil is as evil does