I don't think Apple has any intention of other people releasing their own code under the APSL. The way I look at all of this is that the license is intend to allow people to modify the darwin core of Mac OS X freely, while at the same time provide provisions that protect Apple's non-open improvements.
Some talk about the provisions that allow Apple to effectively take your code, but when you think about it if you make any great and/or useful modifications you'd probably try to commit them to Apple so everyone could use them, wouldn't you?
I prefer the ASPL to nothing, and it is undeniable that the source is open. Only the distribution and code ownership is effected.
Razor Blades, in my mind, fall somewhere around cigarettes and crack. I asked for a pack as a stocking stuffer last Christmas and was promptly told that things that sell for $25 deserve their own box.
Regardless of weather the RIAA is right or wrong in their ethical practices using Kazaa et al. is being just as unethical. If we want to sink the RIAA (and believe me I would) I would feel a whole lot better with boycotts and legaslation.
I can't believe that there aren't enough people who care on/. alone that we can't fight this fight standing rather than just pirating the music. Doing that says that you don't care that the RIAA is a megalomaniacal organization, but rather that you 'just hafta hear' the latest JLo song.
Sending the wrong message is worse than sending no message. (Well I said it. So much for my excellent Karma)
... but rather a contraction. The name makes perfect sense. It's a log of what I do, on the web. A "Weblog" if you will. If you would prefer I'll use an apostrophe such as the one's used in can't and don't to so I removed letters. In this case the "we" has been removed instead of an 'o,' 'cause (notice apostrophe) "we" are definitely not on the same page.
'blog
See that wasn't so bad. (Apologies for the sarcasm but I just woke from a nap.)
I would like to point out that the above post provides incomplete information. Console companies have done this for a long time, but all it has done is run their profits into the ground.
"Lies!" you say? well its not. Take exhibit A: the case of Sega Saturn vs Playstation. While Sega was trying to make the "Ultimate 2D machine," Sony was flexing its CE muscles and spending millions on researching how to manufacture their own chips cheaply and quickly for the playstation.
When they both were released the Saturn retailed for $399 and the playstation at (drum roll please) $299. Sega attempted to get in on the market by selling their product at a loss and match the $299 tag on the PSone. Sony on the other hand was _making_ money on the console because it had spent its time and effort on mass producing its own components. The Saturn, as we all know, was a business failure.
The same goes for the DreamCast and N64 which were both also sold at a loss. Time will tell on the XBox and GC. I think Nintendo might have learned their lesson and will tred more carefully, but MS... well, let's just say that the odds of the XBox making them money is quite low.
Sony is not selling the PS2 at a loss either, keep that in mind...
By the way the above can be read about in more detail on this site. It's more entertainning there anyway.
You should have told your boss that there is another alternative that has all the benefits of using linux with none of this legal nonsense called BSD.
Note that I am not saying BSD is better than linux, or that it is "not dead" or is "dead" or whatever. I'm just that perhaps pitching BSD might go over a little better with those who make decisions right now.
First of all, the ctl-k ctl-y macros work in just about any Cocoa field. I pointed that out earlier on macslash. What I also pointed out was that this bug will crash just about every Cocoa app with a text field. I've crashed the login panel with it. It's not pretty. I really hope apple takes heed to this bug and fixes it at the core. Unfortunately the original bug report was.... well... not too elegantly written. We'll see what happens.
In the meantime security savvy users should logout rather than trust the screen saver and use an Open Firmware password on their machine. That way you prevent people from logging in using single user mode. Hit command+O+F during boot to get into open firmware, then type in password. After that type reset-all. You should be good to go. And don't forget the password or you will be totally screwed!
Don't think that O'Reilly doesn't know this either. Check out how many books, articles, and so forth they have published since OS X came out. I had the privilege a few months ago to have a sit down with the current editor of the Apple books, and from the way he talked it seems that O'Reilly is nothing short of ecstatic about the OS.
O'Reilly, IMHO, publishes by far the best books on the market. This is because they have excellent editors and scouts (for lack of a better word) to find very intelligent, very insightful people to write their books. I suggest people check out there dev sites more often; they are treasure troves of info
Firstly I was going to moderate this topic, but being as there was only 2 comments (and they were about being the first post) were there. Common guys, is getting the first post all that great? I mean we an easily display in newest first order. Then your FP!!! will be LP!!!!:-P
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Now to my point. I think this is the right kind of attitude towards mod chips. Keep at it until modders get their way. As pointed out above mod chips have plenty of other uses than the illegal ones, we've all heard the arguments before.
What I am most interested is how MS will handle (cause you know they won't sit and take this) the catch-22 that has been set up here. I'm sure they will try and down play it, but its sure to come up. I predict that MS will try to "steamroll" this poor guy into legal oblivion:-(
Ah well information wants to be free so even if this falls apart there will be more mod chips to be had in the future.
All that talk about the wonders of emacs.... when is someone going to resuscitate the ole' vi verses emacs debate in this thread. (heh, guess right now, huh?)
Honestly, I spent an hour lecture debating this. I claimed emacs was better, while he was die hard vi. I kid you not; it happened this past May. We beat that horse so dead that by the end of the hour the contention was that vi was more productive because it had no bundled games built in to it to kill you productivity.
... I said that emacs provides you built-in entertainment for ones lunch break.
Perhaps, but when one used these APIs you got all the "neato bells and whistles" from apple for free. For example if one were to take a well coded (i.e. using the afore mentioned APIs) mac app written for system 7 before the many enhancement to the menu and scrolling system and run it on OS 9 it would basically get the updated UI for free. Apple was (and still is, in my opinion) the king of abstracting the API and the underlying framework.
Very much unlike the win32 API counterpart where sometimes the APIs change so drastically without warning even developers at MS can't keep up. (I've been told by a friend I have that works with Microsoft that by far this is the most prevalent reason for their bugs.)
I read the article, and it seems to me that what these 4 guys did was quite impressive. The article mentions this was the largest launch in Canadian History. Anyone know what the largest anywhere was?
What I am really happy about is the amount of publicity they got. Having the rocket being put in a museum and making a Discovery Channel special about the event is going to catch a lot of people attention. Well maybe not that many, but at least the people who care about space exploration.
Perhaps amateurs like these guys will lead to private space travel organizations.
Agreed. There is most definitely a line between what is fair use and what is blatantly ignoring copyrights. If you are are downloading MP3s for songs you do not own you do not have a leg to stand on.
That being said, I think the RIAA has tipped its hat and might end up losing its apparent legal edge. First of all IANAL, so correct me if I'm wrong. By going after the people who share music they are dealing a serious blow to P2P networks, but if the people sharing legal own their copies of the songs, they aren't violating any copyrights. It is the people who are downloading the content that are actually in the red. Just my thoughts.
I've read a lot of comments and I am surprised at how few people touched this. I consider Linux and Mac OS X to be on about the same level as far as they functionally work. What is different is the philosophy each grows by.
Mac OS is driven by what I like to look at is a unified force. Apple puts together the hardware, makes the OS, and writes many of the basic computer apps people use on their machines. Developers who write Mac OS applications usually choose to follow the guidelines set by Apple (interface or otherwise). The result of this is that using a Mac is some what of an integrated package. The stereotypical person considering Mac is considering the benefits of the Hardware, software, and design.
Linux on the other hand is driven by driven by a divergent force. Sure there are leaders, like Linus, who set a general direction for the OS, but there are many different people with many different goals working on it. This leads to Linux having a sort of piece meal user experience. No two linux systems are a like. Linux is incredibly flexible and powerful, but it is also complex. The stereotypical person considering linux has some sort of goal in mind for the system. Weather it be for development, web servering, or simply to save money and be free of licenses.
I approximate that the switchers for linux to Mac os an vice versa will pretty much cancel out. The question is which way will the Windows users lean? Assuming they jump ship (fairly likely) will they choose Integration or Flexibility?
That I read this DLing roms. Funny thing is I use IRC to get them. First of all I don't feel so bad about getting roms for 2 reasons: 1) 50% of the time I can legally so (I have a vast collection of games, but all my old consoles are Kaputt) and 2) If I want to play certain games I have _no_choice_ but to get them in this manner.
Also I wonder if IRC is even covered by this bill. Has the government made an explicit legal definition of p2p yet?
There are several settings in the system preferences that allows one to change how anti-aliasing is used on your system.
I'd also be willing to bet that panther is doing some sort of update to the anti-aliasing hence the jagged looking fonts while the bugs are being worked out.
As for you comment about mac people being more artistic I suggest you point your browser to sites such as The O'Reilly Network and The developer mailing list archives to see just how big of an audience the mac really has. Sure there are plenty of artsy folk using the mac, but there is also a slew of terminal junkies as well.
Ok Hatch has made a pretty out there comment, and he's something of a hypocrit, put that aside for a second.
Let's say that it was decided to use this countermesure to piracy. How would this be physically implemented? Would OEMs be instaling mini-bombs in our computers? I can tell you now that if a company can blow up a computer there will be someone else who will figure out how to a) prevent it and b) do it themselves. Imagine facing computer virus that actually _destroy_ you hardware.
This whole idea stinks of Hatch's lack of understanding of the technological world. It stinks of the entire senate's lack of understanding.
The fact of the matter is we need someone in congress (or more than one) that is on the same page we are with tech issues.
I agree with many of your points, but there is one key factor that you are overlooking. What if Microsoft doesn't open the API to the database? I mean obviously they are going to have some sort of interface to open files etc., but they can just as easily keep the searching, indexing, transactions (if they put in transactions) closed. They've done things like this before.
Also, if they open it up so much so that there is a bounty of VB APIs... Let's just say I can see the Script Kiddies drooling.
Though I have my first impression, it _is_ possible that MS will make this work and make it open enough for us, the programmers. I'd happily admit I was wrong in that case.
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When he mods an Aibo so that it actually sniffs around, barks, and then points retriever style to the offending WiFi source then I'll be impressed.
"What's that boy?"
"Arf! Arf!"
"JImmy's unsing unencrypted WiFi?"
I don't think Apple has any intention of other people releasing their own code under the APSL. The way I look at all of this is that the license is intend to allow people to modify the darwin core of Mac OS X freely, while at the same time provide provisions that protect Apple's non-open improvements.
Some talk about the provisions that allow Apple to effectively take your code, but when you think about it if you make any great and/or useful modifications you'd probably try to commit them to Apple so everyone could use them, wouldn't you?
I prefer the ASPL to nothing, and it is undeniable that the source is open. Only the distribution and code ownership is effected.
Razor Blades, in my mind, fall somewhere around cigarettes and crack. I asked for a pack as a stocking stuffer last Christmas and was promptly told that things that sell for $25 deserve their own box.
How many RIAA Agents^H^H^H^H^H^HMembers read /.?
Regardless of weather the RIAA is right or wrong in their ethical practices using Kazaa et al. is being just as unethical. If we want to sink the RIAA (and believe me I would) I would feel a whole lot better with boycotts and legaslation.
I can't believe that there aren't enough people who care on /. alone that we can't fight this fight standing rather than just pirating the music. Doing that says that you don't care that the RIAA is a megalomaniacal organization, but rather that you 'just hafta hear' the latest JLo song.
Sending the wrong message is worse than sending no message. (Well I said it. So much for my excellent Karma)
When Mc Donalds, Exxon, and Motel 6 figure out how to make aquatic rest-stops for the UNGODLY long trip you're going to take.
... but rather a contraction. The name makes perfect sense. It's a log of what I do, on the web. A "Weblog" if you will. If you would prefer I'll use an apostrophe such as the one's used in can't and don't to so I removed letters. In this case the "we" has been removed instead of an 'o,' 'cause (notice apostrophe) "we" are definitely not on the same page.
'blog
See that wasn't so bad. (Apologies for the sarcasm but I just woke from a nap.)
I would like to point out that the above post provides incomplete information. Console companies have done this for a long time, but all it has done is run their profits into the ground.
"Lies!" you say? well its not. Take exhibit A: the case of Sega Saturn vs Playstation. While Sega was trying to make the "Ultimate 2D machine," Sony was flexing its CE muscles and spending millions on researching how to manufacture their own chips cheaply and quickly for the playstation.
When they both were released the Saturn retailed for $399 and the playstation at (drum roll please) $299. Sega attempted to get in on the market by selling their product at a loss and match the $299 tag on the PSone. Sony on the other hand was _making_ money on the console because it had spent its time and effort on mass producing its own components. The Saturn, as we all know, was a business failure.
The same goes for the DreamCast and N64 which were both also sold at a loss. Time will tell on the XBox and GC. I think Nintendo might have learned their lesson and will tred more carefully, but MS... well, let's just say that the odds of the XBox making them money is quite low.
Sony is not selling the PS2 at a loss either, keep that in mind...
By the way the above can be read about in more detail on this site. It's more entertainning there anyway.
You should have told your boss that there is another alternative that has all the benefits of using linux with none of this legal nonsense called BSD.
Note that I am not saying BSD is better than linux, or that it is "not dead" or is "dead" or whatever. I'm just that perhaps pitching BSD might go over a little better with those who make decisions right now.
First of all, the ctl-k ctl-y macros work in just about any Cocoa field. I pointed that out earlier on macslash. What I also pointed out was that this bug will crash just about every Cocoa app with a text field. I've crashed the login panel with it. It's not pretty. I really hope apple takes heed to this bug and fixes it at the core. Unfortunately the original bug report was.... well... not too elegantly written. We'll see what happens.
In the meantime security savvy users should logout rather than trust the screen saver and use an Open Firmware password on their machine. That way you prevent people from logging in using single user mode. Hit command+O+F during boot to get into open firmware, then type in password. After that type reset-all. You should be good to go. And don't forget the password or you will be totally screwed!
Bingo.
Don't think that O'Reilly doesn't know this either. Check out how many books, articles, and so forth they have published since OS X came out. I had the privilege a few months ago to have a sit down with the current editor of the Apple books, and from the way he talked it seems that O'Reilly is nothing short of ecstatic about the OS.
O'Reilly, IMHO, publishes by far the best books on the market. This is because they have excellent editors and scouts (for lack of a better word) to find very intelligent, very insightful people to write their books. I suggest people check out there dev sites more often; they are treasure troves of info
The O'Reilly Network
MacDevCenter.com
OnDotNet.com
OnJava.com
OnLamp.com
openp2p.com
osdir.com
Perl.com
XML.com
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Firstly I was going to moderate this topic, but being as there was only 2 comments (and they were about being the first post) were there. Common guys, is getting the first post all that great? I mean we an easily display in newest first order. Then your FP!!! will be LP!!!! :-P
</RANT>
Now to my point. I think this is the right kind of attitude towards mod chips. Keep at it until modders get their way. As pointed out above mod chips have plenty of other uses than the illegal ones, we've all heard the arguments before.
What I am most interested is how MS will handle (cause you know they won't sit and take this) the catch-22 that has been set up here. I'm sure they will try and down play it, but its sure to come up. I predict that MS will try to "steamroll" this poor guy into legal oblivion :-(
Ah well information wants to be free so even if this falls apart there will be more mod chips to be had in the future.
All that talk about the wonders of emacs.... when is someone going to resuscitate the ole' vi verses emacs debate in this thread. (heh, guess right now, huh?)
Honestly, I spent an hour lecture debating this. I claimed emacs was better, while he was die hard vi. I kid you not; it happened this past May. We beat that horse so dead that by the end of the hour the contention was that vi was more productive because it had no bundled games built in to it to kill you productivity.
... I said that emacs provides you built-in entertainment for ones lunch break.
Perhaps, but when one used these APIs you got all the "neato bells and whistles" from apple for free. For example if one were to take a well coded (i.e. using the afore mentioned APIs) mac app written for system 7 before the many enhancement to the menu and scrolling system and run it on OS 9 it would basically get the updated UI for free. Apple was (and still is, in my opinion) the king of abstracting the API and the underlying framework.
Very much unlike the win32 API counterpart where sometimes the APIs change so drastically without warning even developers at MS can't keep up. (I've been told by a friend I have that works with Microsoft that by far this is the most prevalent reason for their bugs.)
I read the article, and it seems to me that what these 4 guys did was quite impressive. The article mentions this was the largest launch in Canadian History. Anyone know what the largest anywhere was?
What I am really happy about is the amount of publicity they got. Having the rocket being put in a museum and making a Discovery Channel special about the event is going to catch a lot of people attention. Well maybe not that many, but at least the people who care about space exploration.
Perhaps amateurs like these guys will lead to private space travel organizations.
That's what you think! I'm counting on a poster spilling the beans; you couldn't pay me enough to click a link with benchmark results.
I believe that Fessik (Spelling) actually said that
Agreed. There is most definitely a line between what is fair use and what is blatantly ignoring copyrights. If you are are downloading MP3s for songs you do not own you do not have a leg to stand on.
That being said, I think the RIAA has tipped its hat and might end up losing its apparent legal edge. First of all IANAL, so correct me if I'm wrong. By going after the people who share music they are dealing a serious blow to P2P networks, but if the people sharing legal own their copies of the songs, they aren't violating any copyrights. It is the people who are downloading the content that are actually in the red. Just my thoughts.
I've read a lot of comments and I am surprised at how few people touched this. I consider Linux and Mac OS X to be on about the same level as far as they functionally work. What is different is the philosophy each grows by.
Mac OS is driven by what I like to look at is a unified force. Apple puts together the hardware, makes the OS, and writes many of the basic computer apps people use on their machines. Developers who write Mac OS applications usually choose to follow the guidelines set by Apple (interface or otherwise). The result of this is that using a Mac is some what of an integrated package. The stereotypical person considering Mac is considering the benefits of the Hardware, software, and design.
Linux on the other hand is driven by driven by a divergent force. Sure there are leaders, like Linus, who set a general direction for the OS, but there are many different people with many different goals working on it. This leads to Linux having a sort of piece meal user experience. No two linux systems are a like. Linux is incredibly flexible and powerful, but it is also complex. The stereotypical person considering linux has some sort of goal in mind for the system. Weather it be for development, web servering, or simply to save money and be free of licenses.
I approximate that the switchers for linux to Mac os an vice versa will pretty much cancel out. The question is which way will the Windows users lean? Assuming they jump ship (fairly likely) will they choose Integration or Flexibility?
I'm putting my money on the former...
That I read this DLing roms. Funny thing is I use IRC to get them. First of all I don't feel so bad about getting roms for 2 reasons: 1) 50% of the time I can legally so (I have a vast collection of games, but all my old consoles are Kaputt) and 2) If I want to play certain games I have _no_choice_ but to get them in this manner.
Also I wonder if IRC is even covered by this bill. Has the government made an explicit legal definition of p2p yet?
There are several settings in the system preferences that allows one to change how anti-aliasing is used on your system.
I'd also be willing to bet that panther is doing some sort of update to the anti-aliasing hence the jagged looking fonts while the bugs are being worked out.
As for you comment about mac people being more artistic I suggest you point your browser to sites such as The O'Reilly Network and The developer mailing list archives to see just how big of an audience the mac really has. Sure there are plenty of artsy folk using the mac, but there is also a slew of terminal junkies as well.
Ok Hatch has made a pretty out there comment, and he's something of a hypocrit, put that aside for a second.
Let's say that it was decided to use this countermesure to piracy. How would this be physically implemented? Would OEMs be instaling mini-bombs in our computers? I can tell you now that if a company can blow up a computer there will be someone else who will figure out how to a) prevent it and b) do it themselves. Imagine facing computer virus that actually _destroy_ you hardware.
This whole idea stinks of Hatch's lack of understanding of the technological world. It stinks of the entire senate's lack of understanding.
The fact of the matter is we need someone in congress (or more than one) that is on the same page we are with tech issues.
I agree with many of your points, but there is one key factor that you are overlooking. What if Microsoft doesn't open the API to the database? I mean obviously they are going to have some sort of interface to open files etc., but they can just as easily keep the searching, indexing, transactions (if they put in transactions) closed. They've done things like this before.
Also, if they open it up so much so that there is a bounty of VB APIs... Let's just say I can see the Script Kiddies drooling.
Though I have my first impression, it _is_ possible that MS will make this work and make it open enough for us, the programmers. I'd happily admit I was wrong in that case.
His post is darn insightful, wish I had some mod points :-/
To be honest I keep reading these posts because the +5 funny comments are damn hilarious. I mean come the jokes write themselves.