As a current "K"noppix user, I think it's the best thing since I switched to Debian 2 years ago.
After using Mandrake for years, and a failure to get pre-woody installed, I decided to switch and give Debian a try. Since then I havn't wanted to switch. BUT, Debian is terribly behind in the software versions. Yes, it is stable, but I wanted Eye Candy too!
Enter "K"noppix. Great hardware detection, boots live on the CD, linux without the install hassles.
BUT, you can also install it to your HD. How sweet is that? NVidia drivers work, network, latests software from testing/unstable all that and the eye candy to boot!
Oh, and did I mention that installing Gnome 2.2.2 was easy as apt-get ?;)
The live cd distro's really do help in swaying someone who's not sure if they want to install linux or not. I applaud "K"noppix, "G"noppix, and Morphix for what they are doing for the linux community.
After reading a couple of the posts, I thought I'd chime in with my.2
In the last couple of RedHat releases (beginning with 8.0 I think) Don't they scroll through adverts for thier own stuff? Training, Certification, etc, etc?
So why should we bash Mandrake for doing a similar thing? Granted, they are not just adverting for thier own services, but are we not showing a double standard for bashing Mandrake but not saying a thing about RedHat's installer doing the same thing?
While the speed of programs compiled in portage is an important factor, my desktop seems much more responsive than it was under RH or Mandrake (two other distros I tested before my recent switch to Linux), it is not the selling point for me.
and It is the ease of installing programs that portage brings
Ok, on the first.. I've found a direct correlation with the responsiveness of the desktop to which WM your running. Even my eMachine 400hmz celeron was slow with Mandrake 9.0 and Redhat 8.0 running KDE or Gnome. But load it up with Blackbox/Fluxbox/XFCE etc.. and the desktop is as snappy as ever. (Not to flame, just an observation)
On the second.. apt-get install is just as easy.:)
I'm really suprised no one has mentioned this yet, but with the amount of computing power you can buy right now with very little money, is it the distro that's faster, or is it the hardware? I know at some times my Win* boot is a little faster copying files compared to my Debian boot, but then the hard drive is a faster RPM one than my debian.
Having NOT read the article, but having had experience installing and compiling Gentoo, I just do not have the patience to spend a day or more downloading, compiling and installing just the absolute basics, when I can insert, boot and install Knoppix.
With my 1.8ghz P4, 512mb ram and 64mb Nvidia GForce card, Knoppix/Debian runs just fine for me. But, I can see why someone wanting to salvage an older P2, or P3 system would want to do a Gentoo install. Especially if it's not thier main boxen. Since mine is my ONLY boxen, that much down time (and lack of/. would drive me nuts;))
Ok, even though it's an AC, you have to agree... If file sharing drops by 50% or even 25% and the RIAA doesn't get the rise in sales they will not have a leg to stand on.
It's not so wild that it couldn't work. Even if 100's of people quit sharing and boycotts the labels... where will the RIAA place the blame then?? If file sharing drops, thier sales keep dropping or stay the same, it will just prove the point we are trying to make BY sharing.:)
I agree with the parent to a degree, but I really, trully think that MOST issues are distro specific. If you look at the list of distros available either at a store or online, there's not 1 perfect distro. They all have thier little quirks. But I have found that choosing a distro is alot like choosing a car. What options do you want, what are your requirements, (off road, economical, etc.) and pick the distro that fits your needs.
Now, having said that, no distro is idiot proof, or perfect. But compare today's versions to what we had just 5 years ago, Linux has come along way to being easier to install, setup and configure and no CL (which really doesn't scare me to use (:)
Right... You're, umm, smart.
Some of the most cutting edge applications in existence run on the Windows platform. It's faster to develop Windows applications that Unix-based apps because the Windows development environment is so much better, in general.
You seem to believe that your rancorous dislike of MS has something to do with how well people can develop applications for it.
I mean, what do you think, that security holes are going to stop developers? Do you also think there is a good alternative? Unix security is pathetic, as well. It's entirely a matter of the application developer, not the OS. Windows XP _proper_ (meaning the core OS only) is quite secure, the problems you see are with applications (from MS or from others).
What's making me laugh most is that you actually believe this!!! HA HA HA HA !
1. Initiate a download.
2. Do a netstat.
3. Write down IP address and date/time.
4. Contact ISP and request user information after providing IP address
You forgot:
5. Sue offending user
6. ???
7. PROFIT!
What 'artificial scarcity' are you talking about? There is nothing 'scarce' about music. You can go to any number of internet sites and buy CDs. Try buy.com [buy.com].
I'd say the scarcity is this: The lack of good music to buy, not the availability in itself
In other words, I'd be willing to buy good music, not the crap they keep selling.
I've had better luck with Windows Update than urpmi, up2date. The only Linux equivalent that works, in what I would say, better fashion that Windows Update is Gentoo's emerge.
What about apt-get??? 0.0
Please tell me your kidding? That's the most asnine thing I've ever heard spouted.. bleah!
If you really believe the Music Industry is standing up for the musicians, I have some beach front property to sell you in Missouri!!
All the Music Industry cares about is keeping CD prices high, and extorting as much money from the consumer, AND the musician that they can. I have no issues with the musician getting his/her due , but my problem stems from the record industry keeping such an archaic business model and not changing with the times.
The Digital Revolution is upon us, and it's up to US to usher the world into it. NOT to let techno-phobic morons decide how and what we do!
RedHat 7.3 gave me some issues with my Radeon card, while 8.0 didn't. mandrake 8.2 worked fantasticly while 9.0 left me wondering..
With "Woody", granted I don't have the 3D acceleration,(and that's just because I'm to damn lazy to actually try and install the NVidia drivers lol) it does work with my NVidia GeForce4 card rather well.. and my SB Live! card worked on the install, and since it's a brand spankin new 1.8ghz PC.. I can't really complain.
As another user posted with Gentoo, thier Install guide really does a good job to walk a user through it... and if i could afford to have my PC down a couple of days, I might just switch to see what it's like. But like Gentoo, debian does provide a ton of docs, and the text files you edit + man pages, I'm learning alot more than I did with RedHat and Mandrake.. but then I think I've grown more daring in trying to FIX problems, than re-installing;)
I agree with the Gentoo,and FreeBSD.. but Debian? I don't get the "debian is so far behind the technology curve why use it" statements..
I myself have used RedHat, Mandrake, SuSE, Gentoo, and a couple of other 1 CD type distros, but I keep comming back to debian. Why? Well, like you posted before me, the package management just plain rocks. But, with the release of Woody, Debian is NOT so far behind. Granted, KDE2.2, Gnome 1.4, etc.. but wasn't the philosophy behind debian to make a distro that's rock solid?
Why does a distro have to have the "bleeding edge" to be good? debian seems to just "work". Granted, this is just my own opinion, and as long as it's OSS, who cares?
Sure, there are some bands who seem to buck those trends, but when you're looking at the real longevity of bands like Aerosmith, versus the possible (and tenuous) longevity of artists like Britney Spears... well, you know what? I think in ten or fifteen years, there will still be people listen to old Aerosmith tunes, but Britney Spears will be all but forgotten.
That's because the band's of "yesteryear" were actually original in every aspect. There hasn't been a new band that's been in any way "original" in the past 5 years. Why else do we have a new "boy band" or a new "teen star" every couple of years? To keep up the sales! Why else?
The sad fact is.... Take ANY main-stream band of the past 5 years, remove the vocals, and you can't tell them apart. THAT'S why the music industry is dying a slow and painful death!
Every rule has an exception, except for the rule of exceptions!
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As a current "K"noppix user, I think it's the best thing since I switched to Debian 2 years ago.
;)
After using Mandrake for years, and a failure to get pre-woody installed, I decided to switch and give Debian a try. Since then I havn't wanted to switch. BUT, Debian is terribly behind in the software versions. Yes, it is stable, but I wanted Eye Candy too!
Enter "K"noppix. Great hardware detection, boots live on the CD, linux without the install hassles. BUT, you can also install it to your HD. How sweet is that? NVidia drivers work, network, latests software from testing/unstable all that and the eye candy to boot!
Oh, and did I mention that installing Gnome 2.2.2 was easy as apt-get ?
The live cd distro's really do help in swaying someone who's not sure if they want to install linux or not. I applaud "K"noppix, "G"noppix, and Morphix for what they are doing for the linux community.
After reading a couple of the posts, I thought I'd chime in with my .2
In the last couple of RedHat releases (beginning with 8.0 I think) Don't they scroll through adverts for thier own stuff? Training, Certification, etc, etc?
So why should we bash Mandrake for doing a similar thing? Granted, they are not just adverting for thier own services, but are we not showing a double standard for bashing Mandrake but not saying a thing about RedHat's installer doing the same thing?
To follow that up: I thought "public viewing" meant that you can't charge people to view it?
It would seem to me that if I have 3 or 4 of my friends over, and we watch a DVD, does that constitute a public showing????
For me, it's getting the printer to work in Mozilla, Phoenix, compared to AbiWord or some other text editor.
While the speed of programs compiled in portage is an important factor, my desktop seems much more responsive than it was under RH or Mandrake (two other distros I tested before my recent switch to Linux), it is not the selling point for me.
:)
/. would drive me nuts ;))
and It is the ease of installing programs that portage brings
Ok, on the first.. I've found a direct correlation with the responsiveness of the desktop to which WM your running.
Even my eMachine 400hmz celeron was slow with Mandrake 9.0 and Redhat 8.0 running KDE or Gnome. But load it up with Blackbox/Fluxbox/XFCE etc.. and the desktop is as snappy as ever. (Not to flame, just an observation)
On the second.. apt-get install is just as easy.
I'm really suprised no one has mentioned this yet, but with the amount of computing power you can buy right now with very little money, is it the distro that's faster, or is it the hardware? I know at some times my Win* boot is a little faster copying files compared to my Debian boot, but then the hard drive is a faster RPM one than my debian.
Having NOT read the article, but having had experience installing and compiling Gentoo, I just do not have the patience to spend a day or more downloading, compiling and installing just the absolute basics, when I can insert, boot and install Knoppix.
With my 1.8ghz P4, 512mb ram and 64mb Nvidia GForce card, Knoppix/Debian runs just fine for me. But, I can see why someone wanting to salvage an older P2, or P3 system would want to do a Gentoo install. Especially if it's not thier main boxen. Since mine is my ONLY boxen, that much down time (and lack of
Ok, even though it's an AC, you have to agree... If file sharing drops by 50% or even 25% and the RIAA doesn't get the rise in sales they will not have a leg to stand on.
:)
It's not so wild that it couldn't work. Even if 100's of people quit sharing and boycotts the labels... where will the RIAA place the blame then?? If file sharing drops, thier sales keep dropping or stay the same, it will just prove the point we are trying to make BY sharing.
I agree with the parent to a degree, but I really, trully think that MOST issues are distro specific. If you look at the list of distros available either at a store or online, there's not 1 perfect distro. They all have thier little quirks. But I have found that choosing a distro is alot like choosing a car. What options do you want, what are your requirements, (off road, economical, etc.) and pick the distro that fits your needs.
.2c
Now, having said that, no distro is idiot proof, or perfect. But compare today's versions to what we had just 5 years ago, Linux has come along way to being easier to install, setup and configure and no CL (which really doesn't scare me to use (:)
Just my
And my response to an AC? The acronym speaks for itself Anonymous Coward
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Right... You're, umm, smart. Some of the most cutting edge applications in existence run on the Windows platform. It's faster to develop Windows applications that Unix-based apps because the Windows development environment is so much better, in general. You seem to believe that your rancorous dislike of MS has something to do with how well people can develop applications for it. I mean, what do you think, that security holes are going to stop developers? Do you also think there is a good alternative? Unix security is pathetic, as well. It's entirely a matter of the application developer, not the OS. Windows XP _proper_ (meaning the core OS only) is quite secure, the problems you see are with applications (from MS or from others).
What's making me laugh most is that you actually believe this!!! HA HA HA HA !
You forgot:
5. Sue offending user
6. ???
7. PROFIT!
What 'artificial scarcity' are you talking about? There is nothing 'scarce' about music. You can go to any number of internet sites and buy CDs. Try buy.com [buy.com].
I'd say the scarcity is this: The lack of good music to buy, not the availability in itself
In other words, I'd be willing to buy good music, not the crap they keep selling.
I've had better luck with Windows Update than urpmi, up2date. The only Linux equivalent that works, in what I would say, better fashion that Windows Update is Gentoo's emerge. What about apt-get??? 0.0
D'OH! ;)
silly me, I missed the the sarcasm tags lol
Please tell me your kidding? That's the most asnine thing I've ever heard spouted .. bleah!
If you really believe the Music Industry is standing up for the musicians, I have some beach front property to sell you in Missouri!!
All the Music Industry cares about is keeping CD prices high, and extorting as much money from the consumer, AND the musician that they can. I have no issues with the musician getting his/her due , but my problem stems from the record industry keeping such an archaic business model and not changing with the times.
The Digital Revolution is upon us, and it's up to US to usher the world into it. NOT to let techno-phobic morons decide how and what we do!
I can relate and argue with your points :)
;)
RedHat 7.3 gave me some issues with my Radeon card, while 8.0 didn't. mandrake 8.2 worked fantasticly while 9.0 left me wondering..
With "Woody", granted I don't have the 3D acceleration,(and that's just because I'm to damn lazy to actually try and install the NVidia drivers lol) it does work with my NVidia GeForce4 card rather well.. and my SB Live! card worked on the install, and since it's a brand spankin new 1.8ghz PC.. I can't really complain.
As another user posted with Gentoo, thier Install guide really does a good job to walk a user through it... and if i could afford to have my PC down a couple of days, I might just switch to see what it's like. But like Gentoo, debian does provide a ton of docs, and the text files you edit + man pages, I'm learning alot more than I did with RedHat and Mandrake.. but then I think I've grown more daring in trying to FIX problems, than re-installing
I agree with the Gentoo ,and FreeBSD .. but Debian? I don't get the "debian is so far behind the technology curve why use it" statements..
I myself have used RedHat, Mandrake, SuSE, Gentoo, and a couple of other 1 CD type distros, but I keep comming back to debian. Why? Well, like you posted before me, the package management just plain rocks. But, with the release of Woody, Debian is NOT so far behind. Granted, KDE2.2, Gnome 1.4, etc.. but wasn't the philosophy behind debian to make a distro that's rock solid?
Why does a distro have to have the "bleeding edge" to be good? debian seems to just "work". Granted, this is just my own opinion, and as long as it's OSS, who cares?
Sure, there are some bands who seem to buck those trends, but when you're looking at the real longevity of bands like Aerosmith, versus the possible (and tenuous) longevity of artists like Britney Spears... well, you know what? I think in ten or fifteen years, there will still be people listen to old Aerosmith tunes, but Britney Spears will be all but forgotten.
That's because the band's of "yesteryear" were actually original in every aspect. There hasn't been a new band that's been in any way "original" in the past 5 years. Why else do we have a new "boy band" or a new "teen star" every couple of years? To keep up the sales! Why else?
The sad fact is.... Take ANY main-stream band of the past 5 years, remove the vocals, and you can't tell them apart. THAT'S why the music industry is dying a slow and painful death!
Every rule has an exception, except for the rule of exceptions!