I wasn't either... I was talking about my foundation to speak from experience rather than making assumptions. FWIW, Android supports OpenGL ES 1.0/2.0 as well. However, not all Android devices do.
I definitely agree with you that Apple is not after market share. I think there's always another OS waiting in the wings though. In the mobile market, Palm had it, Microsoft took it, RIM took it from them, and Apple took it from them (strictly western hemisphere, Nokia still owns all worldwide). Android is poised to take it, and who knows what's coming down the road, although I don't think webOS or Meego are much of a threat.
Although I cannot buy the specific Intel motherboard used in Apple products, I can buy other mobos by Intel or actually better ones by other manufacturers. The same holds true for power supplies, cases, etc...
Dell, HP, etc... aren't the only PC manufacturers (or more realistically assemblers). It's also possible *gasp* to build your own. And with higher end hardware than that found in Apples you can still wind up spending less.
But, at least you get a custom UI on top of BSD and rounded corners for the price. And don't forget waiting for them to repair lest you void your warranty.
At the end of the day, sadly, it is the same hardware when you compare apples to apples (no pun intended). However, what members of the Cult of Apple love to do is pretend all PCs are made by eMachine in their comparisons.
Erm, my platform is BB, iPhone, and Android. How do I not have the foundation then?
I'm a mobile developer who has experienced the approval process in three app stores (nothing on WP7 yet). I switch between devices (usually weekly) to test apps and make sure I'm staying current in UIs. I hardly think I'm making assumptions here.
Erm, apparently there was physical trauma (see here and here). They're still guessing, but leaning towards stress from fireworks, although lightening or hail haven't been ruled out.
This is far from the first time anything like this has been recorded.
WM 6.5, still by far the easiest to develop apps for. As a test, I wrote a simple calculator for my son whose fuel gauge stopped working. On the Blackerry it took me 2 hours (fire up Eclipse, set keys, code, test, and deploy app). On the iPhone and Android it was about the same. WM 6.5 it literally took me 22 minutes, and that included a little bit of design.
So they're first on the list for handling the Facebook IPO?
OT a bit, but I still can't believe people help push up the valuation of Facebook by keeping their content there with all of the security fiascos and Zuckerberg quoted as having said "they trust me, dumb f**ks." That was, of course, back at Harvard when he was snooping in emails based on account login information, but I believe once a douchebag, always a douchebag.
So, other platforms are laden with ads because all ads are made with Flash? And do you seriously think I see lots of ads on my Android and Blackberry, but not on my iPhone?
Well said. I think a large number of Apple people tend to ignore their computers run on the same (but less upgradeable) hardware as Windows PCs. Where Apple wins in the "it just works" comments is Apple owns everything in the hardware and OS mix, so no crappy third party drivers crashing the OS.
I'm not sure what the OP meant by rickety devices... my Android is not only very nice, but has more memory, a more brilliant screen, a phone antenna that does not require a bumper to prevent attenuation, and the gorilla glass doesn't shatter when dropped because mine is more embedded so more protected (it's still glass after all).
I really think it's a troll, intentional or otherwise.
Meanwhile, Android handset manufacturers mainly target the demographic that wants to save money on their phone, ie: they want it to be cheap, or at least: cheaper than comparable alternatives.
I don't at all agree with this part of your post. Android manufacturers are simply chasing dollars in the market. Android is massively outselling iPhone even on higher end devices such as the Galaxy S. The reason is consumers want choice which Apple doesn't offer.
Apple's shortcoming (and they don't have many) in the mobile world is one-size-fits-all. Some consumers want a physical keyboard, and some of them want a portrait slider. Some are willing to pay more for brilliant graphics, while some will abandon that to save money. Some want a small pocketable phone, while others want a large screen. Some want to use a Swype-like keyboard. Some want a different interface for SMS. Some want to use a different browser. Those that want these want the option to default those applications. Some want to sideload applications and avoid the markets for whatever reason. Some want to change the UI. Some want 4G (although this is a misnomer... no real 4G networks or devices actually exist yet). Some want MiFi.
These are the reasons Android is outselling all of the other device platforms.
Apple will always have both its loyal following and new customers based on advertising. Likewise, so will Nokia, Microsoft, RIM, Palm/HP, and Google, so long as they continue to make products. None of this is really a knock on Apple and the walled garden. I'm merely pointing out what I see consumers "saying" in the open market.
By the way, this was posted by someone who has used Blackberry, iPhone, and Android and continues to. I'm a mobile developer.
I love frameworks. I hate the fuzziness of the iPhone app market/approval process. PhoneGap is in, then it's out, then it's in again. Appcelerator mysteriously stops working, then works again.
Not all app approvals are under weeks now. Also, consider the rejection of an app for a magazine because it covered Android. Or their inconsistency (which still exists) in approving functionality in one app while declining it in another.
As a mobile developer, I'll say Android fragmentation is the least of my concerns. Pick a line in the sand (2.1, 2.2) and write. Make sure your layers are % based rather than fixed width and form factor rarely matters.
The killer to me in mobile development is app stores with strange approval processes and delays. If you do actually get an app in the Apple app store, then fix a simple bug, you have to resubmit your app, and it may be weeks before they (hopefully) approve. Until then there's nothing you can do because users can't (well, without jailbreaking) sideload.
With Apple, Android, and Blackberry (with the exception of OS6), you can target a previous OS and expect backward compatibily, but you lose out on new features you may or may not need.
While James Madison did coin the term Representative Democracy, nothing in the Constitution define the United States as anything but a republic.
"and to the REPUBLIC, for which it stands..." isn't purely by accident. Nor is the appearance of "every State in this Union a Republican form of Government" in article IV of the Constitution.
Keep in mind communism and totalitarianism aren't mutually beneficial things.
We've not really seen a true communist state, but we've seen a few dictatorships with communism as a guise for continuing their agenda.
We did see lines for simple state sponsored items like bread and toilet paper in the USSR, though I don't honestly know if that was routine or on occasion. We also know that people were unhappy but also fearful of expressing that.
Wow, you must be lacking in history books. "Government sucks" predates even the US, and has a long and proud history. It's sort of why we have our own country here in the states;)
Our "network engineers" here remind me of "sanitary engineers" on my street every Tuesday and Friday. On that same note, I've never been a "software engineer" but a developer, and everyone in my group currently is a developer. Big difference.
Maybe Opera should sue FF then for somehow wrangling more users away from IE than Opera is?
IE's usage in the wild
is down and FF is taking most of that from them. Apparently FF is doing something illegal, and they must be sued into submission!
Do we see KDE complaining that Explorer competes with KDE4 for windows? OpenOffice complaining that wordpad competes with them? Octave complaining that for simple work calc competes with them? Zonealarm complaining that windows now includes a firewall? No.
Once a precedent is set you probably will. Everything in your post I wholly agree with. An OS should have some browser installed out of the box, and MS shouldn't have a need to install any but their own.
The first thing I do with a clean OS is install FF. Later I'll install Opera and Safari, but that's only because I test our web apps in those four browsers.
One of the tools that comes with the IE install is that nice XmlHttpRequest object that FF, Opera, and Safari all count on. If the average user were prompted to install some browser other than IE during their OS install, it's likely they wouldn't get it, and wouldn't know what to do when half the "web 2.0" websites didn't render. Opera would have a great reputation then...
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I wasn't either... I was talking about my foundation to speak from experience rather than making assumptions. FWIW, Android supports OpenGL ES 1.0/2.0 as well. However, not all Android devices do.
I definitely agree with you that Apple is not after market share. I think there's always another OS waiting in the wings though. In the mobile market, Palm had it, Microsoft took it, RIM took it from them, and Apple took it from them (strictly western hemisphere, Nokia still owns all worldwide). Android is poised to take it, and who knows what's coming down the road, although I don't think webOS or Meego are much of a threat.
Although I cannot buy the specific Intel motherboard used in Apple products, I can buy other mobos by Intel or actually better ones by other manufacturers. The same holds true for power supplies, cases, etc...
Dell, HP, etc... aren't the only PC manufacturers (or more realistically assemblers). It's also possible *gasp* to build your own. And with higher end hardware than that found in Apples you can still wind up spending less.
But, at least you get a custom UI on top of BSD and rounded corners for the price. And don't forget waiting for them to repair lest you void your warranty.
At the end of the day, sadly, it is the same hardware when you compare apples to apples (no pun intended). However, what members of the Cult of Apple love to do is pretend all PCs are made by eMachine in their comparisons.
Erm, my platform is BB, iPhone, and Android. How do I not have the foundation then?
I'm a mobile developer who has experienced the approval process in three app stores (nothing on WP7 yet). I switch between devices (usually weekly) to test apps and make sure I'm staying current in UIs. I hardly think I'm making assumptions here.
That was his mea culpa... I think you misunderstood.
Erm, apparently there was physical trauma (see here and here). They're still guessing, but leaning towards stress from fireworks, although lightening or hail haven't been ruled out.
This is far from the first time anything like this has been recorded.
WM 6.5, still by far the easiest to develop apps for. As a test, I wrote a simple calculator for my son whose fuel gauge stopped working. On the Blackerry it took me 2 hours (fire up Eclipse, set keys, code, test, and deploy app). On the iPhone and Android it was about the same. WM 6.5 it literally took me 22 minutes, and that included a little bit of design.
So they're first on the list for handling the Facebook IPO?
OT a bit, but I still can't believe people help push up the valuation of Facebook by keeping their content there with all of the security fiascos and Zuckerberg quoted as having said "they trust me, dumb f**ks." That was, of course, back at Harvard when he was snooping in emails based on account login information, but I believe once a douchebag, always a douchebag.
So, other platforms are laden with ads because all ads are made with Flash? And do you seriously think I see lots of ads on my Android and Blackberry, but not on my iPhone?
Well said. I think a large number of Apple people tend to ignore their computers run on the same (but less upgradeable) hardware as Windows PCs. Where Apple wins in the "it just works" comments is Apple owns everything in the hardware and OS mix, so no crappy third party drivers crashing the OS.
I'm not sure what the OP meant by rickety devices... my Android is not only very nice, but has more memory, a more brilliant screen, a phone antenna that does not require a bumper to prevent attenuation, and the gorilla glass doesn't shatter when dropped because mine is more embedded so more protected (it's still glass after all).
I really think it's a troll, intentional or otherwise.
Meanwhile, Android handset manufacturers mainly target the demographic that wants to save money on their phone, ie: they want it to be cheap, or at least: cheaper than comparable alternatives.
I don't at all agree with this part of your post. Android manufacturers are simply chasing dollars in the market. Android is massively outselling iPhone even on higher end devices such as the Galaxy S. The reason is consumers want choice which Apple doesn't offer.
Apple's shortcoming (and they don't have many) in the mobile world is one-size-fits-all. Some consumers want a physical keyboard, and some of them want a portrait slider. Some are willing to pay more for brilliant graphics, while some will abandon that to save money. Some want a small pocketable phone, while others want a large screen. Some want to use a Swype-like keyboard. Some want a different interface for SMS. Some want to use a different browser. Those that want these want the option to default those applications. Some want to sideload applications and avoid the markets for whatever reason. Some want to change the UI. Some want 4G (although this is a misnomer... no real 4G networks or devices actually exist yet). Some want MiFi.
These are the reasons Android is outselling all of the other device platforms.
Apple will always have both its loyal following and new customers based on advertising. Likewise, so will Nokia, Microsoft, RIM, Palm/HP, and Google, so long as they continue to make products. None of this is really a knock on Apple and the walled garden. I'm merely pointing out what I see consumers "saying" in the open market.
By the way, this was posted by someone who has used Blackberry, iPhone, and Android and continues to. I'm a mobile developer.
Not a Maemo fan?
I love frameworks. I hate the fuzziness of the iPhone app market/approval process. PhoneGap is in, then it's out, then it's in again. Appcelerator mysteriously stops working, then works again.
Not all app approvals are under weeks now. Also, consider the rejection of an app for a magazine because it covered Android. Or their inconsistency (which still exists) in approving functionality in one app while declining it in another.
Yup, Android fragementation is a carrier problem rather than a device/OS problem.
As a mobile developer, I'll say Android fragmentation is the least of my concerns. Pick a line in the sand (2.1, 2.2) and write. Make sure your layers are % based rather than fixed width and form factor rarely matters.
The killer to me in mobile development is app stores with strange approval processes and delays. If you do actually get an app in the Apple app store, then fix a simple bug, you have to resubmit your app, and it may be weeks before they (hopefully) approve. Until then there's nothing you can do because users can't (well, without jailbreaking) sideload.
With Apple, Android, and Blackberry (with the exception of OS6), you can target a previous OS and expect backward compatibily, but you lose out on new features you may or may not need.
Wrong again.
http://www.thisnation.com/question/011.html
http://www.suite101.com/content/is-the-united-states-a-democracy-a175274
While James Madison did coin the term Representative Democracy, nothing in the Constitution define the United States as anything but a republic.
"and to the REPUBLIC, for which it stands..." isn't purely by accident. Nor is the appearance of "every State in this Union a Republican form of Government" in article IV of the Constitution.
I'm not certain what country you live in, but the United States is a representative republic, not a democracy.
That always makes it interesting to me when our politicians say they want to promote democracy in the rest of the world. Why not here first?
I've got news for you, people who own Apple products have already paid an Apple tax ;)
Keep in mind communism and totalitarianism aren't mutually beneficial things.
We've not really seen a true communist state, but we've seen a few dictatorships with communism as a guise for continuing their agenda.
We did see lines for simple state sponsored items like bread and toilet paper in the USSR, though I don't honestly know if that was routine or on occasion. We also know that people were unhappy but also fearful of expressing that.
Interestingly enough, Nixon did that to prevent the French from demanding the remaining war reparations the US had promised in gold.
Very short sighted, but seemed like a good idea at the time.
Wow, you must be lacking in history books. "Government sucks" predates even the US, and has a long and proud history. It's sort of why we have our own country here in the states ;)
Our "network engineers" here remind me of "sanitary engineers" on my street every Tuesday and Friday. On that same note, I've never been a "software engineer" but a developer, and everyone in my group currently is a developer. Big difference.
You're right... it's a very overused title.
Maybe Opera should sue FF then for somehow wrangling more users away from IE than Opera is?
IE's usage in the wild is down and FF is taking most of that from them. Apparently FF is doing something illegal, and they must be sued into submission!
Once a precedent is set you probably will. Everything in your post I wholly agree with. An OS should have some browser installed out of the box, and MS shouldn't have a need to install any but their own.
The first thing I do with a clean OS is install FF. Later I'll install Opera and Safari, but that's only because I test our web apps in those four browsers.
One of the tools that comes with the IE install is that nice XmlHttpRequest object that FF, Opera, and Safari all count on. If the average user were prompted to install some browser other than IE during their OS install, it's likely they wouldn't get it, and wouldn't know what to do when half the "web 2.0" websites didn't render. Opera would have a great reputation then...
I do like your car analogy btw...
"copies of Microsoft Office 2007 to be able to read the reports it spits out in Word 2007 format"
Poor design choice there. Just because VS is used doesn't mean the reports have to be produced in docx format.