Sourceforge isn't going to debate that. If the DMCA notice arrives, they'll shut it down. Do you think they have the money/legal team to defend against lawsuits/questionable issues? I'm sure we all agree that the DMCA/lawsuits shouldn't be used against P2P apps. But we need the money to argue back...
Thank you for that wonderful bit of anonymous trolling. If the credit card processor took part of the money, why would the customers get a full refund?
I'm sorry, but what you say is just wrong. If you are reasonable, I'm sure you will see why you are wrong.
NOT on sourceforge.net. As soon as the DMCA notices arrive at sourceforge, it'll be taken down.
This should be quite interesting to watch. Personally, I stopped using P2P apps because there's nothing I want these days. Also, I got one of those friendly notices from the MPAA, and I realized, that it seriously wasn't worth it.
Any software I want, there's a free alternative for linux. None of the music that is coming out now interests me, so this p2p app is completely unappealing.
Hey, that's perfectly fine. If I were you, I'd be mightily pissed off too (and I've been using mandrake for 2+ years).
I think it's sad they didn't contact you. I'm not aware of what the internals are at Mandrakesoft. In fact, I haven't heard from anyone else that was affected by this, so I'm not sure if anyone else wasn't contact by Mandrakesoft. But like any company, they likely weren't able to personally contact some of their customers... It's too bad, but, now that everything's ok, there's not much we can do about it. We can only move on;)
I don't think what you said was flamebait. I was just putting out the info so people got the full picture of what was going on.
Yeah, if you read the notice that was on mandrakeclub.com a while ago, you would have known that it wasn't Mandrake's fault, but the company they were using to process credit cards; apparently they had a bug in their software multiplying all transactions by 100.
It takes real effort to make that machine you have sitting next to you. That copy of MS office 2k now, the effort to create that product has occurred in the past. Now that you own it, you don't need to pay MS money any more to install that on your machine, even if you scrap your old one and buy a new one (At least, that's what makes sense to me).
So, software in a sense will become free when it has become so good that there's no point in getting a new version. Hardware won't, because hardware wears out. Hardware doesn't last forever.
Isn't it amusing that "software" can be good for a very long time, but "hardware" has to be replaced every few years?
Raves? There are some people who don't go to raves, because we think taking drugs and listening to pounding monotonous music is boring (And childish). Some people who are single, and don't have noisy, annoying kids to drive around. Some of us like our solitude.
Maybe not a 1 seater, but a 2 seater would be my optimum car. I'm sure there are others who would be fine driving around in a one seater most of the time.
Here we see an example of the idea that you can't automatically assume a product will fail simply because you don't know anyone who will use it.
Now, look 'ere sonny, we need to get all those young whippersnappers under 18 and over 12 on that list. They're always terrorizing the neighborhood, zooming around on bikes or those new-fangled mopeds, or even in their big, booming loud cars that hurt my ear drums. They belong on that list, and IN THE CLINK!
Sincerely,
Old Senile Granny's Association
MATRIX: New likely-to-terrorize demographic found. Begin incarceration.
From his attitude, sounds like he would fit in perfectly at Microsoft! Isn't that their whole line towards security?
Well, maybe not any more... but I know with the whole Raw Sockets debacle, they were very much talking like this guy is (of course grc.com has that story, I'm not sure how much credit people give him).
Makes me glad I'm not using wireless... How dumb do you have to be?
Great, leave your network open... Then when Comcast shuts down your internet connection 'cause people were doing illegal stuff on it, what are you going to say? "Ohhhh it wasn't me, it was some hacker!"
Sorry, Comcast, or whatever the ISP is, won't be giving your connection back. The fact is, the connection is in YOUR name financially.
Also, since I have cable with Cox, I have a monthly bandwidth limit... I wouldn't want someone taking advantage of my 400kb/s download all the time, I'd quickly run over my 30gb a month limit.
Anyway, this is extremely offtopic.
I've never used WiFi, so I can't really say anything about it. Guess I'll go do some work now, I'm feeling rather worthless after being done with classes for the semester...
Even if it is, isn't it likely that in a few years from now, 1 terrabyte storage for each email account will be totally feasible? HD costs are continually going down, and we keep on seeing improvements.
I wouldn't be surprised if google were to transition from 1GB to 1TB in a few years. All the competitors will probably have insane amounts of storage space too. I doubt that I'd use 1 GB in 3-4 years.
Me, I'm waiting for the PR release for google to see if this is just a fluke, or if it's true and they're just testing it with certain users first (i.e. employees).
Even if it is a fluke, that's not going to change my decision; I'm going to try out gmail, and see if I like the user interface. If I do, I may use it. Even so, I think it'll be unlikely, and I'll need a LOT of convincing; I still like having everything under my own control. Sometimes I'm a bit paranoid about my data.
I think that's the whole POINT. Google is marketing gmail as something where you will NEVER EVER have to delete email, even if you use it for 80 years.
Uh, I just realized that the method I originally posted will work, in addition to the gconf hacking one. Dammit, I need to spend less time on IRC. I'm beginning to feel like I'm in a chat room, and that doesn't work very well on slashdot. Oh well. I think I've got this sorted out now... Hopefully someone will find it usefull.
Should have read that site a bit more... I pasted the wrong post in. Here's the right one:
You can turn off spatial mode in nautilus in 2.6. There's a GConf setting to revert back to browser mode as default (search the net for it). Also note there is a file browser nautilus app in fedora 2 test in the menu.
Here's a direct link to the linuxquestions.org page about hacking the gconf (looks pretty simple really).
And use a different filemanager! (Or different WM). Personally, I've fallen in love with XFce as my Window Manager (I think I just love gtk...) and ROX-Filer as my file manager (Man I love ROX-Filer =)
BTW I thought I read that the new spatial mode could be turned off, and the filemanager could return to normal operation... Ah yes, according to a post on Linux Today:
I actually have tried spatial mode in Garnome. i don't like the clutter either. But it definitely does make browsing the filesystem easier. All they need to do is add a button to 'close all windows' and I'm happy. You should really give spatial an chance before you turn it off. BTW you can turn it off with the --browser option.
I'm also going to wait for Fedora 2 to be released so I can upgrade. Gnome is really starting to rock!!!
I haven't tried gnome 2.6 yet, as it hasn't been packaged for Mandrake 10, and I don't want to mess with source, so I haven't tried this recommendation.
If you're stuck on nautilus, perhaps this will help. I've never been a big fan of nautilus (hence my ROX-Filer usage =).
Wow, thanks for the info! It's apparent that I'm pretty ignorant of the current situation of CXOffice. I'm going to download the demo right now (For 3 that is!)
I would like to know what your plans are for the next CrossOver Office release. I think CXoffice 2.1.0 is a great product and well worth the money.
One major problem I have with people who are currently on windows is: Financial and tax software. Microsoft Money doesn't work in Crossover Office. I know that Quicken 2002 works, but often people don't like switching after settling on a financial suite, and a lot of people use Microsoft Money. Are you planning to try to get these certain problem, and popular, applications to work in the next Crossover Office? I feel that if applications like those seamlessly worked in linux, a lot more people would be able to transition to linux.
Rick Boucher makes me proud to be a Virginian. One of the rare times I can feel that way.
It's good to know there are at least somewhat reasonable people in our government, and not complete toadies of the RIAA and MPAA, and now the PPA.
If this thing gets shot down, you can be sure I'll be sending in a furious protest letter. This bill is really important, so that we as citizens can regain some of our rights taken away by the DMCA.
I don't want to be a criminal for watching DVDs that I paid for in linux.
Oh, and while we're playing make believe, I'd like a new BMW and a $1 million dollar house.
Seriously though, if this bill goes through, it will be time to re-evaluate my opinion of the government.
Compatibility and User interface are two different issues here. You seem to be lumping them together, which IMO is just wrong to do. OpenOffice.org is able to import.xls files pretty well (though not perfectly) and the interface is pretty different from Excel; I wouldn't say OpenOffice.org is "copying" Microsoft's UI in the least.
In the case of this product, yes it is copying the UI AND the file format of Microsoft. What does this mean for the average user? It means they don't have to buy Microsoft Office to work with.xls files, they just need to get this application.
This reminds me of like Lindows^H^H^H^Hspire; it's oriented towards users who are comfortable with Microsoft's design, and have learned how to do things using Microsoft products. Those kind of users want something they're familiar with, so they will be more likely to use something that is familiar to them. We still have our KOffice and OpenOffice.org spreadsheet applications; is there something wrong with this approach?
If this application didn't exist, people would just run Excel in Crossover Office. That's what I do actually, so this app may allow me to throw off Microsoft Excel completely, if it functions as advertised (currently slashdotted to hell).
I think it's rather silly to say "No! Never will I support anything Microsoft!" when the majority of users use it. This application may allow users to take another step away from Microsoft lock-in. The goal isn't to "embrace" Microsoft's technology, the goal is to create a viable alternative, that will create the minimum amount of fuss in transition.
God, can you imagine a bunch of robots running with Testosterone emulation? They'll be trying to hump everything in sight!
Much better to have female robots. They're much more reasonable and reserved, not going berserk like the males.
Wait, what parallel universe am I talking about?? They're both crazy!! </joke>
I say, leave gender out of the equation. It's kind of creepy if you have robots lamely emulating human characteristics. Also, it's not a good idea to include gender, because it introduces complexity which we don't really need at this point. Perhaps it would be useful for recreational robots, but for robots that actually serve a purpose... No thanks.
The author of the article says that taking on genders will allow them to better interact with humans. I think it would make things more difficult, because gender is such a human construct. We have so many complex psychological issues with our fellow beings. I think it would make things much simpler if we just made perceptions of robots as they are, without intentionally engineering them to appear as a certain gender. Robots should behave like Robots. We don't really know what that is yet, but I think "behavior" of robots is a long way down the road. We're not there yet.
BTW what's the point of having a gender associated with a robot? I don't think Robots have need of those characteristics, or sex for that matter. Well, maybe Infrared port sex. Or maybe Seriel port....yeah...
Well, now that I think of it, I can think of a purpose. Marketing. So, for an assistant robot, you make it abundantly female, and of course, all the guys will want one. Then you make the "security" droid male, (Personally I think a female security robot might be more appealing, but then you've got to play on the typical Male Protector stereotype), and this will get all the females buying one. I think it's a little cheap. But, the markedroids have got to have something to keep them busy, I suppose.
OK I'm thinking about this way too much. Off to finish finals...
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Sourceforge isn't going to debate that. If the DMCA notice arrives, they'll shut it down. Do you think they have the money/legal team to defend against lawsuits/questionable issues? I'm sure we all agree that the DMCA/lawsuits shouldn't be used against P2P apps. But we need the money to argue back...
I'm sorry, but what you say is just wrong. If you are reasonable, I'm sure you will see why you are wrong.
This should be quite interesting to watch. Personally, I stopped using P2P apps because there's nothing I want these days. Also, I got one of those friendly notices from the MPAA, and I realized, that it seriously wasn't worth it.
Any software I want, there's a free alternative for linux. None of the music that is coming out now interests me, so this p2p app is completely unappealing.
I think it's sad they didn't contact you. I'm not aware of what the internals are at Mandrakesoft. In fact, I haven't heard from anyone else that was affected by this, so I'm not sure if anyone else wasn't contact by Mandrakesoft. But like any company, they likely weren't able to personally contact some of their customers... It's too bad, but, now that everything's ok, there's not much we can do about it. We can only move on ;)
I don't think what you said was flamebait. I was just putting out the info so people got the full picture of what was going on.
Read more at the press release here.
It takes real effort to make that machine you have sitting next to you. That copy of MS office 2k now, the effort to create that product has occurred in the past. Now that you own it, you don't need to pay MS money any more to install that on your machine, even if you scrap your old one and buy a new one (At least, that's what makes sense to me).
So, software in a sense will become free when it has become so good that there's no point in getting a new version. Hardware won't, because hardware wears out. Hardware doesn't last forever.
Isn't it amusing that "software" can be good for a very long time, but "hardware" has to be replaced every few years?
Looks like someone made a bad pdf =P
Either that, or they were on a mac.
In fact, it does the same thing in Acrobat reader 4 through cxoffice. What gives?
Yeah, that's happened to me in kde (quanta) in Mandrake 10 CE. I was sure glad I had a swap space then.
BTW I've got a gig of ram.
These cars look suspiciously similar to the Toyota concept. IMO Toyota isn't doing anything new here, just repackaging an old style.
This one made me REALLY laugh.
Maybe not a 1 seater, but a 2 seater would be my optimum car. I'm sure there are others who would be fine driving around in a one seater most of the time.
Here we see an example of the idea that you can't automatically assume a product will fail simply because you don't know anyone who will use it.
Sincerely,
Old Senile Granny's Association
MATRIX: New likely-to-terrorize demographic found. Begin incarceration.
Well, maybe not any more... but I know with the whole Raw Sockets debacle, they were very much talking like this guy is (of course grc.com has that story, I'm not sure how much credit people give him).
Makes me glad I'm not using wireless... How dumb do you have to be?
Great, leave your network open... Then when Comcast shuts down your internet connection 'cause people were doing illegal stuff on it, what are you going to say? "Ohhhh it wasn't me, it was some hacker!"
Sorry, Comcast, or whatever the ISP is, won't be giving your connection back. The fact is, the connection is in YOUR name financially.
Also, since I have cable with Cox, I have a monthly bandwidth limit... I wouldn't want someone taking advantage of my 400kb/s download all the time, I'd quickly run over my 30gb a month limit.
Anyway, this is extremely offtopic.
I've never used WiFi, so I can't really say anything about it. Guess I'll go do some work now, I'm feeling rather worthless after being done with classes for the semester...
It's my hope that AMD and Intel will be eternal rivals, and continue advancing and coming up with better products.
I wouldn't be surprised if google were to transition from 1GB to 1TB in a few years. All the competitors will probably have insane amounts of storage space too. I doubt that I'd use 1 GB in 3-4 years.
Me, I'm waiting for the PR release for google to see if this is just a fluke, or if it's true and they're just testing it with certain users first (i.e. employees).
Even if it is a fluke, that's not going to change my decision; I'm going to try out gmail, and see if I like the user interface. If I do, I may use it. Even so, I think it'll be unlikely, and I'll need a LOT of convincing; I still like having everything under my own control. Sometimes I'm a bit paranoid about my data.
Gmail, here I come!
Pretty dang cool marketing tactic, if you ask me.
Uh, I just realized that the method I originally posted will work, in addition to the gconf hacking one. Dammit, I need to spend less time on IRC. I'm beginning to feel like I'm in a chat room, and that doesn't work very well on slashdot. Oh well. I think I've got this sorted out now... Hopefully someone will find it usefull.
You can turn off spatial mode in nautilus in 2.6. There's a GConf setting to revert back to browser mode as default (search the net for it). Also note there is a file browser nautilus app in fedora 2 test in the menu.
Here's a direct link to the linuxquestions.org page about hacking the gconf (looks pretty simple really).
BTW I thought I read that the new spatial mode could be turned off, and the filemanager could return to normal operation... Ah yes, according to a post on Linux Today:
I actually have tried spatial mode in Garnome. i don't like the clutter either. But it definitely does make browsing the filesystem easier. All they need to do is add a button to 'close all windows' and I'm happy. You should really give spatial an chance before you turn it off. BTW you can turn it off with the --browser option.
I'm also going to wait for Fedora 2 to be released so I can upgrade. Gnome is really starting to rock!!!
I haven't tried gnome 2.6 yet, as it hasn't been packaged for Mandrake 10, and I don't want to mess with source, so I haven't tried this recommendation.
If you're stuck on nautilus, perhaps this will help. I've never been a big fan of nautilus (hence my ROX-Filer usage =).
Wow, thanks for the info! It's apparent that I'm pretty ignorant of the current situation of CXOffice. I'm going to download the demo right now (For 3 that is!)
One major problem I have with people who are currently on windows is: Financial and tax software. Microsoft Money doesn't work in Crossover Office. I know that Quicken 2002 works, but often people don't like switching after settling on a financial suite, and a lot of people use Microsoft Money. Are you planning to try to get these certain problem, and popular, applications to work in the next Crossover Office? I feel that if applications like those seamlessly worked in linux, a lot more people would be able to transition to linux.
It's good to know there are at least somewhat reasonable people in our government, and not complete toadies of the RIAA and MPAA, and now the PPA.
If this thing gets shot down, you can be sure I'll be sending in a furious protest letter. This bill is really important, so that we as citizens can regain some of our rights taken away by the DMCA.
I don't want to be a criminal for watching DVDs that I paid for in linux.
Oh, and while we're playing make believe, I'd like a new BMW and a $1 million dollar house.
Seriously though, if this bill goes through, it will be time to re-evaluate my opinion of the government.
In the case of this product, yes it is copying the UI AND the file format of Microsoft. What does this mean for the average user? It means they don't have to buy Microsoft Office to work with .xls files, they just need to get this application.
This reminds me of like Lindows^H^H^H^Hspire; it's oriented towards users who are comfortable with Microsoft's design, and have learned how to do things using Microsoft products. Those kind of users want something they're familiar with, so they will be more likely to use something that is familiar to them. We still have our KOffice and OpenOffice.org spreadsheet applications; is there something wrong with this approach?
If this application didn't exist, people would just run Excel in Crossover Office. That's what I do actually, so this app may allow me to throw off Microsoft Excel completely, if it functions as advertised (currently slashdotted to hell).
I think it's rather silly to say "No! Never will I support anything Microsoft!" when the majority of users use it. This application may allow users to take another step away from Microsoft lock-in. The goal isn't to "embrace" Microsoft's technology, the goal is to create a viable alternative, that will create the minimum amount of fuss in transition.
Much better to have female robots. They're much more reasonable and reserved, not going berserk like the males.
Wait, what parallel universe am I talking about?? They're both crazy!! </joke>
I say, leave gender out of the equation. It's kind of creepy if you have robots lamely emulating human characteristics. Also, it's not a good idea to include gender, because it introduces complexity which we don't really need at this point. Perhaps it would be useful for recreational robots, but for robots that actually serve a purpose... No thanks.
The author of the article says that taking on genders will allow them to better interact with humans. I think it would make things more difficult, because gender is such a human construct. We have so many complex psychological issues with our fellow beings. I think it would make things much simpler if we just made perceptions of robots as they are, without intentionally engineering them to appear as a certain gender. Robots should behave like Robots. We don't really know what that is yet, but I think "behavior" of robots is a long way down the road. We're not there yet.
BTW what's the point of having a gender associated with a robot? I don't think Robots have need of those characteristics, or sex for that matter. Well, maybe Infrared port sex. Or maybe Seriel port....yeah...
Well, now that I think of it, I can think of a purpose. Marketing. So, for an assistant robot, you make it abundantly female, and of course, all the guys will want one. Then you make the "security" droid male, (Personally I think a female security robot might be more appealing, but then you've got to play on the typical Male Protector stereotype), and this will get all the females buying one. I think it's a little cheap. But, the markedroids have got to have something to keep them busy, I suppose.
OK I'm thinking about this way too much. Off to finish finals...