And when TCP walks into the bar and asks for beer bartender opens the tap and lets beer stream... But before that they have to shake hands three times.
Simply because I don't want to learn any other OS (I've been using FreeBSD on servers for years now but not on desktop) or any other program I already know and use. And besides there isn't any good alternatives for some programs, at least free ones, in Linux or OSX. And my personal experience with Vista is just positive. It runs stuff faster than XP did on my desktop PC. It looks nicer. It has new features, allthought I don't use them very much. Only downside is that Irssi for Windows doesn't seem to work in 64-bit Vista. But that's not a biggie, I can use webchat, Mirc or even code my own IRC client if I want to.
So the question is, why shouldn't I use Vista and why it matters to you so much?
How does MS Word relates to SQL injection? Do you even know what SQL injection is, how one can be triggered and how it can be exploited? I sure do and it has nothing to do with Word or any other office application.
I can still play my old games with using my old GF 7900 GTX graphics card even if MS releases DirectX 15.7. And new games won't be going for DX 10.1 only any time soon now. So there is basically no point. And if, as you put it, DX 10.1 doesn't bring anything new into table DX 10.0 compatible cards may already support it.
I wasn't aware that there was direct evidence in Microsoft's involvement on this case. I only remember some business transactions where MS and Sun bought some UNIX licenses. Do you have more info about this?
The whole thing was done just to make us have arguments. Can we learn from history, so as not to repeat it?
Excatly! The only thing that kind drive a wedge into the open-source community is the community itself! I always thought that it was the driving force of open-source community to kind of like stick together, deal with problems and make it so transparent that everyone can see what's going on (source code is for everyone to see, what can be more transparent than that?). The moment people start arguments for instance GPL versions things start to go bad. Don't get me wrong, arguments are good when they are constructive and leads to some resolution, but bad when people arouse them-selves to somekind of religious fever (sorry the comparison to religion but I couldn't come up with anything better), stick fingers to their ears and go BLAABLAABLAA I CAN'T HEAR YOU.
Just my opinion/observation about the current situation. Now we can start arguments if my opinion is correct or not:)
Yeah. It was really fun to see Nokia in anti-MS EU lawsuit about Windows Media Player while they were licensing WMP technology at the same time. Maybe they were after for a lower price or something.
And what I remember was that Intel was in some joint-work negoation with DEC but backed-out. After that some Alpha techonology magically found it's way to Pentium... Wasn't there some pre-trial agreement on this one that Intel was to produce chips for DEC?
But Borland. It had nice development environments and if I remember correctly Firebird (the database) was derived from some Borland DB. But for instance Borland C++ Builder 5 was so terribly buggy that I wouldn't dare leave it compile projects unattented. It could crash on anytime and the building process had to be restarted (I had one project which took 5 hours to compile). Also it threw some weird crash messages from time to time.
why have a space bar when entering URL's? This is replaced by "/" and ".com" keys which makes a tremendous amount of sense
And this is what I absolutely hate. I hate to be forced to remember every programs layout and behavior when button positions and functionalities move from window to window. Currently I'm writing terribly designed web app where Edit, Save and Close buttons change places on every form and sometimes Close button changes name to Cancel and so on. I would be far more cleaner if they we're always at the bottom right part of the form, in exact same order, so you can find them easily. What would make it worse would be that if keyboard layout changes according to selected input control! (Like remove space bar when user selects date-field)
And besides it's prefectly valid to have spaces in URL's. They are encoded to %20.
And how many web applications are run as cron jobs? I don't know a single one...
Or are you suggesting that Apache should run with user's credentials (isn't there some patch that does this where Apache suids to user?) and DB authentication is done by using same credentials without password at all?
It's the same problem with DRM. You need to store the authentication/decryption key somewhere as cleartext (it can be somehow obfuscated on disk but it needs to be cleartext at least in memory when it is needed, just reverse engineer the deobfuscation process) and when it's stored, it can be found by others. If you have solution to this, please let me know.
Legit Vista here with no P2P stuff or any such programs running. I have installed only Visual Studio 2005, SQL Server 2005 Express, Live Messenger, Skype and COD2 so far. Monitoring is done by my ADSL/WLAN/NAT/FW router. End results: no suspicious connection attempts or outbound connections here. Maybe finnish people aren't so interesting to watch:)
1 gram of carbohydrates contains 4 calories, so does protein. Fat contains 9 cal per gram. But I've read that you need to burn 6000 kcal in order to lose 1 kg of fat from body so I say your fleet must a really big one:)
Wow! At first I thought you were describing OSX, then Plan9, then... Vista:)
A lot of layers there I see. I'm just a little worried about performance here. You want microkernel architecture? There's performance penalty in that, all those context switches when processes are communicating with other processes in the system. Add abstraction layer and databases above that and we need Intel to produce faster processor which sucks even more power.
Object oriented toolkit? Well there's.NET for starters. It does everything required by modern apps (allthough I miss ORM support but I can always code one myself), as you put it. C# is object oriented,.NET API is object oriented, supports carbage collection,.NET strings and chars are UNICODE ect. In fact, NT has been UNICODE for ages (Win32 API 8 bit functions are just wrappers to UNICODE functions).
Multithreading... I come back to this at the end.
OS virtualization? Vista already does this. UAC virtualizes at least filesystem and registry.
But what you are talking about here is actually figured out at MS Research. Microkernel architecture where some of the performance issues are dealt by running everything in the user land in the same process. F# compiler makes sure that thread isn't messing up with other thread's memory (which is all the same virtual memory) and provides multithreading/IPC and so on. It's really interesting idea and I'd love to see it running on my desktop some day. But at the mean time I think I stick to my Windows Vista, which is built on 80's technology (in fact, first NT was released 1993), not on 60's Unix technology;)
Well of course mail that doesn't get through isn't marked as spam:)
But more seriously. Bullshit. I use Hotmail all the time to move files from one machine to another and they all get through. Usually I zip them if there's lots of files but not always. Not the best way I admit but I'm too poor to buy USB memory stick and too lazy to use one even if I did have one.
And that is why major Anti-Virus vendors are having troubles for example with Vista. I was writing NDIS intermediate filter drivers back in 2000-2001. Everything worked out fine when we followed MSDN and DDK documentation. Then we decided to test how our driver works when there's AV and FW drivers running in kernel at the same time with our stuff. Kab00m! Right after F-Secure was installed, all hell broke loose. It was Windows Reinstall Time. Luckily we kept plenty of Ghost backups which made the process faster. Same problems arose with some other softwares but surprisingly, the smaller the vendor, lesser problems arose...
And what was causing this? I still don't know for sure but we speculated that F-Secure bypassed kernel interfaces and hooked itself to some undocumented internal APIs or something. I really don't know why they did it, if they did, since everything that AV and/or FW driver ever needs is nicely documented in DDK. I also remember reading here from Slashdot that because of this kind of behaviour MS was forced to freeze some internal interfaces that was supposed be changed between patches or something.
I suggest everyone to read Douglas E Comer's Internetworking with TCP/IP Vol 1 - Principles, Protocols and Architecture. It's a little old book but amazingly good one, allthought new editions comes with yellow cover, I liked the red one better (we used to call it Comer's Red Book:) Anyway, it came really handy when I was dealing with NDIS intermediate network drivers (Windows stuff) and Ethernet & TCPIP protocols.
There is variety of tools to record such demos and replay them and no-one would notice the difference. I've done some demos myself because I really didn't want to make live demos everytime some customer visited our website:) We even did one demo where we were supposed to show how files move through IPSEC tunnel and how system is able to roam between LAN/WLAN/Dialup at the same time. Well, everything worked for about minute or so, then the system crashed and had to be rebooted. Our clever marketing droid block the audience's view at every crash'n'reboot-time (reboot was really quick) and no-one noticed anything.
But what actually makes sense is that if you have some minor clitch in your system which you didn't have time to repair before some big event, you want to make sure that nothing bad happens at the demo, and you cheat a little bit. It would be foolish to have such bug, which is probably fixed back at the office (I actually fixed the bug the same day when demo was being kept) at the same time when demo is being shown, to cause drop in your stock value or give bad PR to you or something.
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And when TCP walks into the bar and asks for beer bartender opens the tap and lets beer stream... But before that they have to shake hands three times.
If it's standardized, can it be proprietary?
Simply because I don't want to learn any other OS (I've been using FreeBSD on servers for years now but not on desktop) or any other program I already know and use. And besides there isn't any good alternatives for some programs, at least free ones, in Linux or OSX. And my personal experience with Vista is just positive. It runs stuff faster than XP did on my desktop PC. It looks nicer. It has new features, allthought I don't use them very much. Only downside is that Irssi for Windows doesn't seem to work in 64-bit Vista. But that's not a biggie, I can use webchat, Mirc or even code my own IRC client if I want to.
So the question is, why shouldn't I use Vista and why it matters to you so much?
How does MS Word relates to SQL injection? Do you even know what SQL injection is, how one can be triggered and how it can be exploited? I sure do and it has nothing to do with Word or any other office application.
If energy cannot be created or destroyed human existing doesn't mean shit to the universe. You know... From energy to energy and so on.
I can still play my old games with using my old GF 7900 GTX graphics card even if MS releases DirectX 15.7. And new games won't be going for DX 10.1 only any time soon now. So there is basically no point. And if, as you put it, DX 10.1 doesn't bring anything new into table DX 10.0 compatible cards may already support it.
I wasn't aware that there was direct evidence in Microsoft's involvement on this case. I only remember some business transactions where MS and Sun bought some UNIX licenses. Do you have more info about this?
Wow! It's informative to call people stupid now? If this is what free/open source movement has come to I sure am getting the hell out.
Excatly! The only thing that kind drive a wedge into the open-source community is the community itself! I always thought that it was the driving force of open-source community to kind of like stick together, deal with problems and make it so transparent that everyone can see what's going on (source code is for everyone to see, what can be more transparent than that?). The moment people start arguments for instance GPL versions things start to go bad. Don't get me wrong, arguments are good when they are constructive and leads to some resolution, but bad when people arouse them-selves to somekind of religious fever (sorry the comparison to religion but I couldn't come up with anything better), stick fingers to their ears and go BLAABLAABLAA I CAN'T HEAR YOU.
Just my opinion/observation about the current situation. Now we can start arguments if my opinion is correct or not :)
Yes because if it wasn't overturned then one of these might be next when Alcatel runs out of money: http://mp3licensing.com/licensees/index.asp
You obviously doesn't live in Pohjois-Savo as I do ;)
Yeah. It was really fun to see Nokia in anti-MS EU lawsuit about Windows Media Player while they were licensing WMP technology at the same time. Maybe they were after for a lower price or something.
And what I remember was that Intel was in some joint-work negoation with DEC but backed-out. After that some Alpha techonology magically found it's way to Pentium... Wasn't there some pre-trial agreement on this one that Intel was to produce chips for DEC?
But Borland. It had nice development environments and if I remember correctly Firebird (the database) was derived from some Borland DB. But for instance Borland C++ Builder 5 was so terribly buggy that I wouldn't dare leave it compile projects unattented. It could crash on anytime and the building process had to be restarted (I had one project which took 5 hours to compile). Also it threw some weird crash messages from time to time.
And this is what I absolutely hate. I hate to be forced to remember every programs layout and behavior when button positions and functionalities move from window to window. Currently I'm writing terribly designed web app where Edit, Save and Close buttons change places on every form and sometimes Close button changes name to Cancel and so on. I would be far more cleaner if they we're always at the bottom right part of the form, in exact same order, so you can find them easily. What would make it worse would be that if keyboard layout changes according to selected input control! (Like remove space bar when user selects date-field)
And besides it's prefectly valid to have spaces in URL's. They are encoded to %20.
Ah yes, that I understand. But still... Where do you put DB's password or would you use passwordless authentication (I sure wouldn't)?
And how many web applications are run as cron jobs? I don't know a single one...
Or are you suggesting that Apache should run with user's credentials (isn't there some patch that does this where Apache suids to user?) and DB authentication is done by using same credentials without password at all?
It's the same problem with DRM. You need to store the authentication/decryption key somewhere as cleartext (it can be somehow obfuscated on disk but it needs to be cleartext at least in memory when it is needed, just reverse engineer the deobfuscation process) and when it's stored, it can be found by others. If you have solution to this, please let me know.
Legit Vista here with no P2P stuff or any such programs running. I have installed only Visual Studio 2005, SQL Server 2005 Express, Live Messenger, Skype and COD2 so far. Monitoring is done by my ADSL/WLAN/NAT/FW router. End results: no suspicious connection attempts or outbound connections here. Maybe finnish people aren't so interesting to watch :)
1 gram of carbohydrates contains 4 calories, so does protein. Fat contains 9 cal per gram. But I've read that you need to burn 6000 kcal in order to lose 1 kg of fat from body so I say your fleet must a really big one :)
Wow! At first I thought you were describing OSX, then Plan9, then ... Vista :)
A lot of layers there I see. I'm just a little worried about performance here. You want microkernel architecture? There's performance penalty in that, all those context switches when processes are communicating with other processes in the system. Add abstraction layer and databases above that and we need Intel to produce faster processor which sucks even more power.
Object oriented toolkit? Well there's .NET for starters. It does everything required by modern apps (allthough I miss ORM support but I can always code one myself), as you put it. C# is object oriented, .NET API is object oriented, supports carbage collection, .NET strings and chars are UNICODE ect. In fact, NT has been UNICODE for ages (Win32 API 8 bit functions are just wrappers to UNICODE functions).
Multithreading... I come back to this at the end.
OS virtualization? Vista already does this. UAC virtualizes at least filesystem and registry.
But what you are talking about here is actually figured out at MS Research. Microkernel architecture where some of the performance issues are dealt by running everything in the user land in the same process. F# compiler makes sure that thread isn't messing up with other thread's memory (which is all the same virtual memory) and provides multithreading/IPC and so on. It's really interesting idea and I'd love to see it running on my desktop some day. But at the mean time I think I stick to my Windows Vista, which is built on 80's technology (in fact, first NT was released 1993), not on 60's Unix technology ;)
Well of course mail that doesn't get through isn't marked as spam :)
But more seriously. Bullshit. I use Hotmail all the time to move files from one machine to another and they all get through. Usually I zip them if there's lots of files but not always. Not the best way I admit but I'm too poor to buy USB memory stick and too lazy to use one even if I did have one.
And that is why major Anti-Virus vendors are having troubles for example with Vista. I was writing NDIS intermediate filter drivers back in 2000-2001. Everything worked out fine when we followed MSDN and DDK documentation. Then we decided to test how our driver works when there's AV and FW drivers running in kernel at the same time with our stuff. Kab00m! Right after F-Secure was installed, all hell broke loose. It was Windows Reinstall Time. Luckily we kept plenty of Ghost backups which made the process faster. Same problems arose with some other softwares but surprisingly, the smaller the vendor, lesser problems arose...
And what was causing this? I still don't know for sure but we speculated that F-Secure bypassed kernel interfaces and hooked itself to some undocumented internal APIs or something. I really don't know why they did it, if they did, since everything that AV and/or FW driver ever needs is nicely documented in DDK. I also remember reading here from Slashdot that because of this kind of behaviour MS was forced to freeze some internal interfaces that was supposed be changed between patches or something.
So please, programmers, Read The Fine Documents :)
I thought just the same. How is this even on Slashdot? This is obviously 2007 year old dupe! Hardly newsworthy...
I suggest everyone to read Douglas E Comer's Internetworking with TCP/IP Vol 1 - Principles, Protocols and Architecture. It's a little old book but amazingly good one, allthought new editions comes with yellow cover, I liked the red one better (we used to call it Comer's Red Book :) Anyway, it came really handy when I was dealing with NDIS intermediate network drivers (Windows stuff) and Ethernet & TCPIP protocols.
There is variety of tools to record such demos and replay them and no-one would notice the difference. I've done some demos myself because I really didn't want to make live demos everytime some customer visited our website :) We even did one demo where we were supposed to show how files move through IPSEC tunnel and how system is able to roam between LAN/WLAN/Dialup at the same time. Well, everything worked for about minute or so, then the system crashed and had to be rebooted. Our clever marketing droid block the audience's view at every crash'n'reboot-time (reboot was really quick) and no-one noticed anything.
But what actually makes sense is that if you have some minor clitch in your system which you didn't have time to repair before some big event, you want to make sure that nothing bad happens at the demo, and you cheat a little bit. It would be foolish to have such bug, which is probably fixed back at the office (I actually fixed the bug the same day when demo was being kept) at the same time when demo is being shown, to cause drop in your stock value or give bad PR to you or something.
Then there's the P2P option ;)