I do disagree. What they will do figuratively, they will eventually do literally. Evil always begins in concept. Don't underestimate the subtleties....
"Men who burn books, will soon be burning men...." Or something to that affect. Bonhoeffer said that? Please google....
I can hear someone in germany, circa mid 1930s, "it's just books. What's the big deal?..."
Heh. I know what you mean. I've been that way with other movies. To each his own I suppose.
I do think Jackson made too many cuts to Frodo's face-of-agony when speared by the cave troll. It seems like 10 cuts of the same repeating grimmace.
One of my biggest problems with the movies is Saruman. I felt Jackson failed to fully develope that character as presented in the books. The only hint at Saruman's true motives is in the single line, "There is only one Lord of the Ring -- only one who can bend it to his will, and he does not share power...." Saruman was driven by desire for the ring himself, and had no reason to cherish Sauran at all. As a matter of fact, evidence would suggest he favored Gandalf. He simply was willing to manipulate anyone in his path to the ring. In the books, he was attempting to gain it ahead of Sauran for himself. The movies seem to suggest that had he got it, he would have quickly turned it over to Sauran. The movie reveals Saruman as a very simple character, desiring only to be aligned with Sauran for not any good reason. The books reveal Saruman as far more complex.
I don't know. I'm old gandalf. I can feel it like butter scraped over too much bread.
Boys, I've been through a lot of crap in my life. Yes, run-ins with the law. Run-ins with thugs. For fun, recently, I was tasered. I will say this. It hurts fierce, but it didn't keep me from moving at all.
The other thing is, watch break.com. My living gosh. Videos there all the time of idiots willingly getting tasered over and over, laughing the whole time, begging friend to stop, etc. Let's all thank Johnny Knoxville.
Police brutality bad? Yes. It is. If it were me I'd be upset. But, philosophically, you get pulled over for speeding, you want that cop to be nice. When he's not, when he's a jerk, you cry, "police power! abuse! small mind/big ego!" etc. However, big bad criminal breaks into your house in the middle of the night. Ties you and your family up, beats you, your wife, kids. Police come in. Now, do you want a nice or a jerk cop?
Let's not forget a scene was added in Gibson's "Hamlet." Talk about thinking you can do better than the author....
Tolkien stated that LoTR "uniquely leant itself to not being dramatized." Or something to that effect. Exactly, the movies are not LoTR. They are another man's interpretation of the original story. Being that as they may, it is still well done. I was extremely nervous -- as a huge fan -- that Jackson would blow it, but I think he did not. Liv Tyler as Arwen freaked me out, but I think she did a superb job.
I also noted in all of Jackson's interviews he rarely mentions Tolkien. This troubled me as I feel he is a fan, and maybe it is nothing, but still. I think he has a tad bit of the, "this is my work. I'm the director," thing going on.
The movies are what they are, and 50 years from now they may do another whole adaptation. Jackson, btw, took many concepts of depiction from the animated movie -- I actually picked it up in a checkout line for a buck and watched it recently. I think Jackson even states he took the scene of the rider along the road -- indeed, the animation has the same angle and shot. Jackson did a far better job with the treason of Isengard (Gandalf & Saruman). What a great line, "Tell me, friend, when did Saruman the wise abandon reason for madness?!" That's not in the book. Also, he really pumped up The Bridge of Khazad Dum (sic?). Gandalf's fall into the shadows. Ebert points out that the book's piece on that is only a few hundred words.
Finally, the discovery of the party of Dwarrowdelf (sic?) the dwarvish city in Moria, is incredibly done by Jackson. I got goose bumps as the scene revealed itself, Sam looks up and says, "now there's a sight you don't see every day." The background music, the look on their faces, Sam's words -- it really made the great city become what I think Tolkien would want it to. In the book, you just don't get that sense.
Finally, finally, Boromir's death was incredible. The book did nothing for me, but Jackson really built that up. I was right there in that scene as each arrow sunk into him, as he looked back to the hobbits, then fought, then shot, then back again. Each arrow weakening him, yet he finds it within himself to go on. Aragorn saving him, yet he died but not without a final bonding moment where reconciliation occurs as he blesses both the quest and the king. Jackson deservs mighty praise for that scene (which, btw, he did not edit).
I am very proud of the movies. I do think before Jackson dies he needs to film a Bombadil piece for an extra, extra, lucasian DVD release (digital enhancements and remastering and all that).
Jordan, like many fantasy authors, has fallen into the, "if I never end it they'll keep reading it" syndrom. Tolkien knew how to start, tell and finish a story at least. Yes, I have labored to read Jordan.
Concur on the Donaldson things you mention. I find Donaldson to have put an interesting twist on fantasy (on Tolkien) with an anti-hero as the main character, but that's about it. Many of the things he wrote now seems funny almost. "Kevin Landwaster"?... Kevin? Reminds me of an episode of Spongebob I watched with my daughter....
You misspelled, "hi, I'm not a fan. I'm a troll. Please respond to my post...."
Above, someone else stated the movies were deplorable. Tolkien fandom has widely embraced the movies (notice the official fan club in the credits, many of whom being authors themselves). This was a tough sell seeing how JRRT stated his works uniquely leant themselves to not being dramatized. Being a huge fan myself, I felt Jackson & co. were fans making a fan movie. They did a splendid job. Not to mention the two primary artists behind Tolkien artwork (Alan Lee) as well as Christopher Lee (real life friend of Tolkien), et al. were all behind the movies. Lee, very large personae as a Tolkien authority and fan, stated that the very few differences between the movies and books were well done.
To this second point that the books themselves hold no value, I would say you are not a fan on any level, so why respond at all? Show some basic manners and save your posts for those topics you do have something positive to add. Tolkien is called "master fantasist" by other fantasy authors and heralded as the father of the modern genre. I have heard others make the reverse criticism: that LoTR is written for adults and The Hobbit for children, so they prefer the former. All of his works are delightful and, honestly, the popularity of it all speaks for itself. Tolkien's works make other authors pale by comparison. How many writers invent a language? Tolkien invented five! The only regret I have is having read Tolkien I can hardly stomach other fantasy as it all seems a rip off of what he did. Thankfully, I read Steven R. Donaldson before Tolkien -- Donaldson having shamelessly taken from LoTR.
Its not the fact that we ignore the good things that Microsoft do...its the fact that that Microsoft rarely do a sumthing good that we get distracted by the bad things its doin....
We actually do that at some sites. Let's just say we have a very large, and disparate, network. I have a good buddy that runs a 100 box network and he says stuff to me like this all the time. It's easy to turn a speed boat. Not so easy to turn a passenger liner. We have far, far more than 100 computers at many, many sites with all sorts of histories of OSes, clients, blah blah....
And then, this other time, there was this other computer, and, like, something really bad had happened to it, and, like, they said they retrieved that data too... it was awesome....
Our team, made of very seasoned and intelligent people, understand this.
Still, out of all the experience, degrees and credentials, none of us would have ever recommended putting circuit boards, et al., through an industrial dishwasher.
Yes, it was well dry by the time he powered it up....
The most common issue I've dealt with is jr techs deleting user profiles off xp boxes to "fix" something without first determining if there is any sensitive data in "my documents." Yes, generally -- although we tell users to put important stuff on network drives -- there are docs there that carry weight....
I had a HD going bad once, with stuff on it I HAD to get off. I hooked it up and as it clicked and thumped and stopped spinning, I'd whack it with a flash light. This would make it spin and the copy would continue. After 30 minutes of beating it into submission, all data copied off successfully....
I will tell this: one time we had a fire at a site. After all the damage cleaned up, machines replaced, etc., we were working with the maintenance guy who had been involved in the smoke cleanup, etc. The server was pretty messy. We were going to replace it, but he said, "no problem. Got it working." We asked what he did.
He took the thing apart, apparently, and ran all pieces through the industrial dish washer -- all the but the harddrive. He let dry thoroughly, put all back together, and it worked. We were dumb-founded....
I live far out in the country and have 10MB cable for $59 a month. I could go DSL now, too, for far cheaper, but don't want to get a land line.
Considering my own current internet-connectivity situation, I have no clue what you're talking about. The past? Sure, I guess. I've never thought about it. Maybe people didn't have any choices due to some sort of market control. I'll bite. I just know I never had those issues. I had ISDN when it first came out for never more than $50 a month.
But, come on. Say, "monopoly" around any sort of informed person and "microsoft" pops into their head. Heck, the two words share a lot of the same letters and almost have the same number. Let's play around:
Microsoft
Monopoly
Micropoly
Monosoft
Somesoft
Soonmicro
Soonsoft
This isn't working. It's only making me think of impotence....
My friend's dad lives on vaunajautu (sic?) where they held a survivor episode a year or so ago. He said between tapings, they stayed in hotels -- never slept outdoors, etc. A highly credentialed man too with no reason to make this stuff up....
Yea. We got it after the price fell out. Apparently, according to my uncle at the time, TIs were bombing because they were quality and too expensive. They punted and dumped 'em. We got it cheap. I did BBSes back then -- early 80s. You used a casette tape to write stuff. When we got a 5.25 floppy that was a huge thing. They keyboard actually had brains! I still look at keyboards as though they matter some times. Funny how they don't. You can use the expansion box to chock-up your car. Parsec ruled!
My uncle had a TI994A. It was the _only_ computer to have. He talked my dad into buying me one. At age 13 I used it to learn basic (type in them line number!). My uncle made fun of commodores. He called them "commodes." I didn't realize the fan following until years later and/.
I still have my TI99/4A. It doesn't work though. Heavy as heck....
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I do disagree. What they will do figuratively, they will eventually do literally. Evil always begins in concept. Don't underestimate the subtleties....
"Men who burn books, will soon be burning men...." Or something to that affect. Bonhoeffer said that? Please google....
I can hear someone in germany, circa mid 1930s, "it's just books. What's the big deal?..."
P.T. Barnum had the greatest home entertainment center on earth....
Yes, but girls will dump the nice cop for the jerk cop....
Heh. I know what you mean. I've been that way with other movies. To each his own I suppose.
I do think Jackson made too many cuts to Frodo's face-of-agony when speared by the cave troll. It seems like 10 cuts of the same repeating grimmace.
One of my biggest problems with the movies is Saruman. I felt Jackson failed to fully develope that character as presented in the books. The only hint at Saruman's true motives is in the single line, "There is only one Lord of the Ring -- only one who can bend it to his will, and he does not share power...." Saruman was driven by desire for the ring himself, and had no reason to cherish Sauran at all. As a matter of fact, evidence would suggest he favored Gandalf. He simply was willing to manipulate anyone in his path to the ring. In the books, he was attempting to gain it ahead of Sauran for himself. The movies seem to suggest that had he got it, he would have quickly turned it over to Sauran. The movie reveals Saruman as a very simple character, desiring only to be aligned with Sauran for not any good reason. The books reveal Saruman as far more complex.
I don't know. I'm old gandalf. I can feel it like butter scraped over too much bread.
Boys, I've been through a lot of crap in my life. Yes, run-ins with the law. Run-ins with thugs. For fun, recently, I was tasered. I will say this. It hurts fierce, but it didn't keep me from moving at all.
The other thing is, watch break.com. My living gosh. Videos there all the time of idiots willingly getting tasered over and over, laughing the whole time, begging friend to stop, etc. Let's all thank Johnny Knoxville.
Police brutality bad? Yes. It is. If it were me I'd be upset. But, philosophically, you get pulled over for speeding, you want that cop to be nice. When he's not, when he's a jerk, you cry, "police power! abuse! small mind/big ego!" etc. However, big bad criminal breaks into your house in the middle of the night. Ties you and your family up, beats you, your wife, kids. Police come in. Now, do you want a nice or a jerk cop?
Don't knock a hangover and a grudge against your ex-wife until you've tried one....
Let's not forget a scene was added in Gibson's "Hamlet." Talk about thinking you can do better than the author....
Tolkien stated that LoTR "uniquely leant itself to not being dramatized." Or something to that effect. Exactly, the movies are not LoTR. They are another man's interpretation of the original story. Being that as they may, it is still well done. I was extremely nervous -- as a huge fan -- that Jackson would blow it, but I think he did not. Liv Tyler as Arwen freaked me out, but I think she did a superb job.
I also noted in all of Jackson's interviews he rarely mentions Tolkien. This troubled me as I feel he is a fan, and maybe it is nothing, but still. I think he has a tad bit of the, "this is my work. I'm the director," thing going on.
The movies are what they are, and 50 years from now they may do another whole adaptation. Jackson, btw, took many concepts of depiction from the animated movie -- I actually picked it up in a checkout line for a buck and watched it recently. I think Jackson even states he took the scene of the rider along the road -- indeed, the animation has the same angle and shot. Jackson did a far better job with the treason of Isengard (Gandalf & Saruman). What a great line, "Tell me, friend, when did Saruman the wise abandon reason for madness?!" That's not in the book. Also, he really pumped up The Bridge of Khazad Dum (sic?). Gandalf's fall into the shadows. Ebert points out that the book's piece on that is only a few hundred words.
Finally, the discovery of the party of Dwarrowdelf (sic?) the dwarvish city in Moria, is incredibly done by Jackson. I got goose bumps as the scene revealed itself, Sam looks up and says, "now there's a sight you don't see every day." The background music, the look on their faces, Sam's words -- it really made the great city become what I think Tolkien would want it to. In the book, you just don't get that sense.
Finally, finally, Boromir's death was incredible. The book did nothing for me, but Jackson really built that up. I was right there in that scene as each arrow sunk into him, as he looked back to the hobbits, then fought, then shot, then back again. Each arrow weakening him, yet he finds it within himself to go on. Aragorn saving him, yet he died but not without a final bonding moment where reconciliation occurs as he blesses both the quest and the king. Jackson deservs mighty praise for that scene (which, btw, he did not edit).
I am very proud of the movies. I do think before Jackson dies he needs to film a Bombadil piece for an extra, extra, lucasian DVD release (digital enhancements and remastering and all that).
Jordan, like many fantasy authors, has fallen into the, "if I never end it they'll keep reading it" syndrom. Tolkien knew how to start, tell and finish a story at least. Yes, I have labored to read Jordan.
Concur on the Donaldson things you mention. I find Donaldson to have put an interesting twist on fantasy (on Tolkien) with an anti-hero as the main character, but that's about it. Many of the things he wrote now seems funny almost. "Kevin Landwaster"?... Kevin? Reminds me of an episode of Spongebob I watched with my daughter....
You misspelled, "hi, I'm not a fan. I'm a troll. Please respond to my post...."
Above, someone else stated the movies were deplorable. Tolkien fandom has widely embraced the movies (notice the official fan club in the credits, many of whom being authors themselves). This was a tough sell seeing how JRRT stated his works uniquely leant themselves to not being dramatized. Being a huge fan myself, I felt Jackson & co. were fans making a fan movie. They did a splendid job. Not to mention the two primary artists behind Tolkien artwork (Alan Lee) as well as Christopher Lee (real life friend of Tolkien), et al. were all behind the movies. Lee, very large personae as a Tolkien authority and fan, stated that the very few differences between the movies and books were well done.
To this second point that the books themselves hold no value, I would say you are not a fan on any level, so why respond at all? Show some basic manners and save your posts for those topics you do have something positive to add. Tolkien is called "master fantasist" by other fantasy authors and heralded as the father of the modern genre. I have heard others make the reverse criticism: that LoTR is written for adults and The Hobbit for children, so they prefer the former. All of his works are delightful and, honestly, the popularity of it all speaks for itself. Tolkien's works make other authors pale by comparison. How many writers invent a language? Tolkien invented five! The only regret I have is having read Tolkien I can hardly stomach other fantasy as it all seems a rip off of what he did. Thankfully, I read Steven R. Donaldson before Tolkien -- Donaldson having shamelessly taken from LoTR.
There. I ate troll bait hook, line and sinker.
*burp*
Atheism Today: great magazine. I love their Christmas issue....
Reminds me of hooking up a five port switch once for this lady. She points at it and says, "is that the Internet?"
Its not the fact that we ignore the good things that Microsoft do...its the fact that that Microsoft rarely do a sumthing good that we get distracted by the bad things its doin....
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ahh, my hed asplode....
We actually do that at some sites. Let's just say we have a very large, and disparate, network. I have a good buddy that runs a 100 box network and he says stuff to me like this all the time. It's easy to turn a speed boat. Not so easy to turn a passenger liner. We have far, far more than 100 computers at many, many sites with all sorts of histories of OSes, clients, blah blah....
And then, this other time, there was this other computer, and, like, something really bad had happened to it, and, like, they said they retrieved that data too ... it was awesome....
...
Doom3 is a simple child's game?
Right.
Our team, made of very seasoned and intelligent people, understand this.
Still, out of all the experience, degrees and credentials, none of us would have ever recommended putting circuit boards, et al., through an industrial dishwasher.
Yes, it was well dry by the time he powered it up....
The most common issue I've dealt with is jr techs deleting user profiles off xp boxes to "fix" something without first determining if there is any sensitive data in "my documents." Yes, generally -- although we tell users to put important stuff on network drives -- there are docs there that carry weight....
I had a HD going bad once, with stuff on it I HAD to get off. I hooked it up and as it clicked and thumped and stopped spinning, I'd whack it with a flash light. This would make it spin and the copy would continue. After 30 minutes of beating it into submission, all data copied off successfully....
I will tell this: one time we had a fire at a site. After all the damage cleaned up, machines replaced, etc., we were working with the maintenance guy who had been involved in the smoke cleanup, etc. The server was pretty messy. We were going to replace it, but he said, "no problem. Got it working." We asked what he did.
He took the thing apart, apparently, and ran all pieces through the industrial dish washer -- all the but the harddrive. He let dry thoroughly, put all back together, and it worked. We were dumb-founded....
watermelon
I live far out in the country and have 10MB cable for $59 a month. I could go DSL now, too, for far cheaper, but don't want to get a land line.
Considering my own current internet-connectivity situation, I have no clue what you're talking about. The past? Sure, I guess. I've never thought about it. Maybe people didn't have any choices due to some sort of market control. I'll bite. I just know I never had those issues. I had ISDN when it first came out for never more than $50 a month.
But, come on. Say, "monopoly" around any sort of informed person and "microsoft" pops into their head. Heck, the two words share a lot of the same letters and almost have the same number. Let's play around:
Microsoft
Monopoly
Micropoly
Monosoft
Somesoft
Soonmicro
Soonsoft
This isn't working. It's only making me think of impotence....
Valid point. I have witnessed malicious people imitating good when advantageous....
this atones not for monopolism
My friend's dad lives on vaunajautu (sic?) where they held a survivor episode a year or so ago. He said between tapings, they stayed in hotels -- never slept outdoors, etc. A highly credentialed man too with no reason to make this stuff up....
And George Bush keeps hoping that the next leap will be his last....
"They're sending me to the Vietnam.... It's a whole 'nother country...."
Yea. We got it after the price fell out. Apparently, according to my uncle at the time, TIs were bombing because they were quality and too expensive. They punted and dumped 'em. We got it cheap. I did BBSes back then -- early 80s. You used a casette tape to write stuff. When we got a 5.25 floppy that was a huge thing. They keyboard actually had brains! I still look at keyboards as though they matter some times. Funny how they don't. You can use the expansion box to chock-up your car. Parsec ruled!
My uncle had a TI994A. It was the _only_ computer to have. He talked my dad into buying me one. At age 13 I used it to learn basic (type in them line number!). My uncle made fun of commodores. He called them "commodes." I didn't realize the fan following until years later and /.
I still have my TI99/4A. It doesn't work though. Heavy as heck....