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Icebergs Sailing Past New Zealand

An anonymous reader writes "A fleet of icebergs is heading north from Antarctica and at least one has reached New Zealand, an event that has not occurred in decades. While not necessarily a consequence of global warming it is very cool!"

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  1. i for one... by zxnos · · Score: 5, Funny

    i for one hope the iceberg doesnt get cocky and run into a titanic.

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    1. Re:i for one... by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Funny

      i for one hope the iceberg doesnt get cocky and run into a titanic.

      Don't tell me, a Soviet Russia berg.

    2. Re:i for one... by patrixmyth · · Score: 4, Funny

      This time, I'm SURE itsatrap!

      (Actually, it's probably just a rescue mission for the polar bears.)

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    3. Re:i for one... by phrostie · · Score: 0

      Oh come one, that was one of the best jokes i've heard on this site.

      someone mod him up some more!

    4. Re:i for one... by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      No, didn't you read the summary? New Zealand.
      So, in Australian Pacific, icebergs ram YOU!

    5. Re:i for one... by sjk8990 · · Score: 1

      The iceberg invasion has begun! I, for one, welcome our frozen overlords.

    6. Re:i for one... by Meatloaf+Surprise · · Score: 1

      I, for one, agree.

  2. Old story by siriuskase · · Score: 2, Funny

    I read about this years ago, a penguin wanted to travel north, so he used an iceberg as a boat. this is what happens when the cinemas run too many penguin movies.

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    1. Re:Old story by Werkhaus · · Score: 3, Funny

      >I read about this years ago, a penguin wanted to travel north, so he used an iceberg as a boat.

      The polar bears heading south will soon sort them out.

    2. Re:Old story by jchuillier · · Score: 1

      No doubt MS will see this as a secret penguin invasion vessel, they will release Vista next week in NZ for free to try to counterbalance the massive penguin arrival....

    3. Re:Old story by blankFrank · · Score: 1

      Just smile and wave, boys.Smile and wave.

    4. Re:Old story by Professor_UNIX · · Score: 1

      Last week some guy used a rare multi-million dollar stamp to send his absentee ballot in and now we've got icebergs floating north toward some unknown destination. How many other "Brewster's Millions" sub-plots are going to arise before you people accept that Richard Pryor is messing with us from the afterlife.

    5. Re:Old story by RLatimer · · Score: 1

      In New Zealand they advertise Bluebird potato chips with CGI generated penguins and an song. Those little guys will go to great lengths to get their chippies, but somehow I think their real-life counterparts are content with their usual diet.

  3. Interesting phraseology... by WidescreenFreak · · Score: 3, Funny

    While not necessarily a consequence of global warming it is very cool!

    Was that juxtaposition intentional? :) (Laugh, mods. It's a joke.)

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    1. Re:Interesting phraseology... by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Funny

      While not necessarily a consequence of global warming it is very cool!

      Behold, a new sport: Iceberg Racing!

    2. Re:Interesting phraseology... by WidescreenFreak · · Score: 3, Funny

      And, seeing as how they're floating north, the winner gets to melt faster! Yaaaaaayy ... er ... I think.

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    3. Re:Interesting phraseology... by zwerf · · Score: 3, Funny

      Chill out man. I think it's cool that Slashdot is warming up to conservation, even if this incident is not a result of global warming. And yes, it is common knowledge that icebergs are cool.

      Anyway, don't put these stories on ice, Slashdot. I hope this is just the tip of the iceberg.

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    4. Re:Interesting phraseology... by DarrylKegger · · Score: 1


      Was that juxtaposition intentional?

      yeah, it was. I don't like that whole "no pun intended" thing.

    5. Re:Interesting phraseology... by stunt_penguin · · Score: 1

      Also, I feel I should point that heading north away from Antarctica is pretty much an inevitable consequence of moving away from Antarctica at all.

      These 'bergs are hardly going to be moving south, east or west away from the Antarctic are they?

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    6. Re:Interesting phraseology... by jo42 · · Score: 2, Funny

      While waving hands "This isn't the global warming you are looking for..."

    7. Re:Interesting phraseology... by mattoo · · Score: 1

      You mean there are also icebergs that float south from Antarctica?

    8. Re:Interesting phraseology... by WidescreenFreak · · Score: 1

      Could be! Antarctica isn't a perfect circle, after all. :)

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  4. Horseshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    "...an event that has not occurred in decades."


    The same thing happened last year.
    1. Re:Horseshit. by Nanpa · · Score: 0

      Well, I call Special Relativity, so it must have happened decades ago for someone in a different part of the universe...

    2. Re:Horseshit. by pudro · · Score: 5, Informative

      Mod parent up.

      I know no one read the article, so let me relate this to you from the article:

      "Scientists had said earlier that it was not unusual to see icebergs so far from the Antarctic coastal region"

      The whole point of the article is the danger this poses to ships in the area.

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  5. awesome! by ILuvRamen · · Score: 5, Funny

    anyone else think this would be the best freakin idea for the next location of Survivor ever:
    Survivor: That Iceburg Floating Past New Zealand
    They could vote each other off as it gets smaller and smaller in warmer water :P

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    1. Re:awesome! by Loadmaster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think that's a great idea. Put all the Survivor people on the iceberg, set it adrift, and then wait for it and everyone on it to disappear in the ocean never to be seen nor heard from again.

      Swi

    2. Re:awesome! by ILuvRamen · · Score: 1, Funny

      well duh, they have cameras and a satellite uplink. You don't think they "just kinda hope" that all the tapes from the 30+ days survive the trip back the US for editing. You're just hatin, go away.

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    3. Re:awesome! by NZBeeMan · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why let them vote each other off? Just view the feed as it gets smaller ;)

    4. Re:awesome! by dotgain · · Score: 1

      They *edit* Survivor?

    5. Re:awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shhh!

      This will be the setting for LOST, season four :P

    6. Re:awesome! by MooUK · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah; they remove anything that might be considered entertaining.

    7. Re:awesome! by Himring · · Score: 1

      My friend's dad lives on vaunajautu (sic?) where they held a survivor episode a year or so ago. He said between tapings, they stayed in hotels -- never slept outdoors, etc. A highly credentialed man too with no reason to make this stuff up....

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    8. Re:awesome! by hoy74 · · Score: 0

      They could morph survivor into girls gone wild and turn it into a late night infomercial if they don't allow the contestants to dress for the seasonal conditions.

    9. Re:awesome! by drsquare · · Score: 1

      Would there be room on that iceberg for all the people who watch it?

    10. Re:awesome! by dolson · · Score: 1

      Yes, if we hurry.

    11. Re:awesome! by mpe · · Score: 1

      I think that's a great idea. Put all the Survivor people on the iceberg, set it adrift, and then wait for it and everyone on it to disappear in the ocean never to be seen nor heard from again.

      An even better idea would be to use politicans though.

    12. Re:awesome! by jonadab · · Score: 1

      What about that manned Mars mission?

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  6. $10 Million, $10 Million, $10 Million dollars by Salvance · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Does this remind anyone else of the scene in Brewster's Millions where the guy sells Richard Pryor on a concept to intall a tugboat inside an iceburg and sail it to desert countries in Africa? Maybe nows the time to start looking into this ...

    I know, I'm completely off topic ... but this "news" story didn't really warrant much real discussion ... iceburg floats to New Zealand because of benign wind change, more news at 11

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    1. Re:$10 Million, $10 Million, $10 Million dollars by huskerdoo · · Score: 1

      Slightly offtopic but it does involve an iceberg.

      As I kid in the early 80's I remember seeing on TV a movie where they were trying to float an iceberg, via rocket engine, to (I think) Los Angeles. They start the rocket engine and the stakes holding the engine in place start to come loose and fly into the windshield of the helicopter.

      I've looked around the net and can't figure out what this movie is. Anyone know?

    2. Re:$10 Million, $10 Million, $10 Million dollars by SirBruce · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      It sounds like an episode of Salvage, which was a short-lived TV series based on the Andy Griffith movie Salvage One where he makes a amateur rocket to go to the moon and salvage all the junk we left behind up there.

      Bruce

    3. Re:$10 Million, $10 Million, $10 Million dollars by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      That is correct.
      Cool show :)

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  7. has neck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i for one welcome our new mute icy legless armless (though not in some cases neckless) overlords.

  8. sooo special by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    New Zealand thinks they are so special... and they get in the news when they can see an iceberg from the kitchen window.

    We get that all the time in Nunavut (canada's newest territory), and you don't see me posting to slashdot about it.

    1. Re:sooo special by tonyr60 · · Score: 4, Funny

      We know we are special because we have the best Rugby team. A few icebergs arriving off the Southern coast is just the icing on the cake.

    2. Re:sooo special by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      And Nunavut is much further North than NZ !

    3. Re:sooo special by NZBeeMan · · Score: 1

      This reminds me of an April fools day joke about 10 years a go by an Otago (?) paper that said an iceberg was visible from some beach and a heap of bods trundled down to see it...

    4. Re:sooo special by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      We are special as the home of middle earth.. and icebergs just don't fit that picture.

      Now admittedly I am located a bit further North in NZ, but I can see a nice palm tree from my window and just around the corner is a nice sandy beach where I had a nice picnic last weekend (hey its summer time - I have even cleaned off the BBQ).

      Icebergs in Nunavut, I'm sure a very nice.. but in NZ in summer? Very special....

      Now if you had a decent Rugby team, a few sheep and throw in some palms and made some decent movies, then you to can post to slashdot about it. OK?

    5. Re:sooo special by kaffiene · · Score: 1

      Hey, there's fuck all else to get excited about down here so leave us our little thrills ;o)

    6. Re:sooo special by steveo777 · · Score: 1

      Off topic, but any reason why the coat of arms has both a caribou and a narwhale humping the seal? You guys sure have some strange entertainment or something.

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    7. Re:sooo special by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > We know we are special because we have the best Rugby team.

      If that's the best you can come up with, it might be best not to admit it. Rugby is, if possible, an even less interesting game than football. Indeed, I think it could go head-to-head with soccer for the title "second most boring sport, after baseball".

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    8. Re:sooo special by cralewyth · · Score: 1

      Bah. You're obviously new here.

      ....I mean, to New Zealand. Rugby is the biggest national religion.

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    9. Re:sooo special by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > Bah. You're obviously new here. ....I mean, to New Zealand.

      Actually, I've never been anywhere near there. Indeed, most of what I know about New Zealand comes from reading Alan Villiers' biography of James Cook. Be that as it may, it is my considered opinion that rugby is boring no matter where you live. (FWIW, the major sports around here are boring too. I believe I mentioned two of them expressly.)

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    10. Re:sooo special by Trogre · · Score: 1

      Ah, clearly you've never been to a cricket test match.

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    11. Re:sooo special by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > Ah, clearly you've never been to a cricket test match.

      Granted. As far as I am aware, I have never been within a thousand miles of a cricket test match. Why, is cricket as boring as baseball? (Is that even _possible_, that there could be another sport as boring as baseball? Are there entire rounds when the players are merely required to watch the grass grow?)

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  9. "Global warming does not exist!" by springbox · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ha, that would be funny to see someone like president Bush speaking in New Zealand..

    "Global warming does not exist!"

    (Iceberg floats by in background)

    1. Re:"Global warming does not exist!" by keesh · · Score: 0

      You're aware that not too long ago, there weren't any icebergs at all, right?

    2. Re:"Global warming does not exist!" by aussie_a · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There also wasn't any people. Do you want to live in world without people? No. Same way I don't want to live in a world without icebergs (most likely because it will at the very least cause hardship for the aforementioned people).

    3. Re:"Global warming does not exist!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      People like fresh water. We'll be fine. But, oh, the huge manatees!

    4. Re:"Global warming does not exist!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hah! And me without any mod points!

    5. Re:"Global warming does not exist!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The funny thing is, Al Gore made a speech in NZ about global warming the day before.

    6. Re:"Global warming does not exist!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you want to live in world without people? No.
      No?. Why not, Yes!. I would be great. If nobody on the earth, everything will be mine.

    7. Re:"Global warming does not exist!" by aussie_a · · Score: 1

      Unless you're an artificial intelligence, you're also a person. And even if you are an AI it's quite possible you're still a person (depending on the definition you use).

    8. Re:"Global warming does not exist!" by Chanc_Gorkon · · Score: 1

      From TFA:

      "Scientists had said earlier that it was not unusual to see icebergs so far from the Antarctic coastal region, where they had broken off the ice shelf - but that they were expected to melt as they drifted toward New Zealand."

      NOT UNUSUAL! No where in the article does it say scientists theorize that this was caused by Global Warming.

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    9. Re:"Global warming does not exist!" by emilper · · Score: 1

      Indeed: when icebergs fload in the background it's gaciation: like some 14,000 years ago



      When icebergs get dumped faster into the see its because there is more ice pushing them down than it used to be. If the southern ice cap was melting, the glaciers would not move at all and would start receding: melting starts from the top and from the edge, not from the bottom.



      ... but, hey, somebody's gradma burned the cake: it is because of Anthropogenic Global Warming; it's getting colder lately: it is because global warming ... please don't torture me to make me confess my sins and "retract" what I said in the above paragraph: I believe in Global Warming ... I pray to it three times a day, and I have payed my Green Tithe twice this month

  10. Global Warming by PresidentEnder · · Score: 2, Informative
    While not necessarily a consequence of global warming it is very cool!

    The article doesn't mention global warming at all! I'll agree with the "very cool" part, but mentioning global warming seems unnecessary.

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    1. Re:Global Warming by zyl0x · · Score: 1

      It's a buzz-word. It's meant to get people's attention. Like so:

      Web Version 2.0!! Buzz Words!! Paradigm Shifts!!

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    2. Re:Global Warming by iq+in+binary · · Score: 1

      Paradigm Shifts!!

      Not a buzzword, dude. Haven't heard a marketing team use it yet. I'll bet you don't even know what it means ;)

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    3. Re:Global Warming by zyl0x · · Score: 1

      A paradigm shift is when you change your way of thinking about something to get a different perspective on it. Not a textbook definition, but that's because I didn't Google it. Learned it in college, actually. Sorry to disappoint, stranger.

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    4. Re:Global Warming by iq+in+binary · · Score: 1

      Wrong. Paradigm shift was coined by Thomas Kuhn to note a wide shift in belief among the scientific community.

      Among the paradigm shifts in history are the shifts from Ptolemaic Astronomy to Copernican Astronomy. Einstein's theory of General Relativity was a paradigm shift from Maxwell's theory. Newtonian physics represented not necessarily a shift but rather a unification of general physical science; still considered by many to be a paradigm shift.

      A commonheld belief among a vast portion of the scientific community is considered a "Paradigm". Take here for instance, the theory of Global Warming. A great chunk of researchers believe in it while the rest more or less hold to the theory of Cyclic Climate. While there is alot of argument about what today's climate changes are representative of, we have yet to see a Kuhnian Paradigm Shift. As such it will likely never happen, 20 years from now the temperatures will stop rising and start dropping (strangely enough as both theories predict), and people will come to light in realization of the historical precedent that points towards Cyclic Climate.

      I'm fairly certain a wiki search will do a much better job than I at describing exactly what Kuhn meant by a Paradigm Shift, for I'm too lazy to get into the more elaborate explanation; but you'll probably find more or less the same answer. I'm only lucky enough to be covering this in one of my humanities courses :-P

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    5. Re:Global Warming by zyl0x · · Score: 1

      Umm, yeah. See, that's almost exactly what I said, except you wasted about 20 minutes of time doing it.

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  11. Saved from blasphemy... by rbrander · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...by a "necessarily". For future reference EVERYTHING is a consequence of global warming.

    1. Re:Saved from blasphemy... by nigelo · · Score: 5, Funny

      >>For future reference EVERYTHING is a consequence of global warming.

      Gad! The heat's got to him, poor blighter!

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    2. Re:Saved from blasphemy... by tonyr60 · · Score: 1

      Right, so when the earth starts into the next ice age after this current (maybe) upward temp cycle, that will be a consequence of global warming as well??

    3. Re:Saved from blasphemy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think he's trying to point out how absurd it is to blame anything related to climate on global warming, not literally saying that EVERYTHING is TRULY the result of it.

    4. Re:Saved from blasphemy... by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > For future reference EVERYTHING is a consequence of global warming.

      Some things are consequences of Y2K instead. As yet, no causal relationship has been established (in either direction) between Y2K and global warming, so they appear to be separate forces, dueling as it were for control of the universe.

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  12. Offtopic - hyperlink grammar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A fleet of icebergs is heading north from Antarctica

    Did anyone else parse that as a grammatical error because of the placement of the hyperlink? I think something fun and insightful would come of a study on the different ways hyperlinks interact with their surrounding verbiage.

    1. Re:Offtopic - hyperlink grammar by the_humeister · · Score: 1

      Were you confusing the "icebergs is" part as not being correct as a result of the underline causing you to subconsciously ignore the "A fleet of" part?

    2. Re:Offtopic - hyperlink grammar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's the thing: Hyperlinks should always be constituents. Otherwise, they feel wrong.

    3. Re:Offtopic - hyperlink grammar by dorianh49 · · Score: 1

      So, which would be correct, "A fleet of icebergs IS heading south from Antarctica", or "A fleet of icebergs ARE heading south from Antarctica"? Neither; icebergs can't head SOUTH from Antarctica!

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  13. Does this mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does this now mean that linux is migrating New Zealand ?

    1. Re:Does this mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are already penguins in New Zealand

  14. Crazy weather by wiiinintendto · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I live in Sydney, and I tells you it is FREEZING cold, the weather has been insane for the last few days, with bushfires around the outer west of NSW and more cold weather further south around Melbourne. It's crazy in the space of yesterday morning with warm to hot weather it suddenly plunged us into this chilly cold, and this is in Spring.

    I think it's testament to the theories of Global Warming being accurately predicted.

    1. Re:Crazy weather by DustyShadow · · Score: 1

      Someone can correct me if I'm wrong on this but I think a side effect of global warming is that some areas actually drop in temperature. The overall average temp of the Earth, however, rises.

    2. Re:Crazy weather by kramulous · · Score: 1

      Isn't it almost Summer? A couple of weeks to go. Just the normal severe storms here in Brisbane. Thirty degrees centigrade and ice falling from the sky to blanket the ground. Normal.

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    3. Re:Crazy weather by sholden · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's the "Gore effect". Wherever he goes to talk about global warming sees historic cold weather for the duration of his stay.

      Gaia hates him for some reason.

    4. Re:Crazy weather by CodeMasterPhilzar · · Score: 1

      Global warming causes colder weather? Icebergs that don't melt are because of warming? Sure, there may be all kinds of complicated theories as to how this apparent contradiction comes about. Occam's razor though would point me towards "It's just colder. Global warming is just so much hot air!" ;-)

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    5. Re:Crazy weather by east+coast · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think it's testament to the theories of Global Warming being accurately predicted.

      Three days of unseasonable weather in a single location is now proof for a theory that encompasses an entire planet's climate change that would last for (at least) centuries? Why is this modded insightful?

      I'm not discounting the theory but people who think that a minor "burp" in the environment around them is proof of something massively sinister going on is insane. How is this different from the Christians who claim that the Revelation Prophecy is coming true because of odd weather patterns?

      What the fuck has happened that real science being discarded for knee-jerk reactions is commonplace and winked at around here?

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    6. Re:Crazy weather by tonyr60 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The global warming supporters would argue that the warmer temps have caused more of the southern ice to break away and that is why the icebergs are available to approach NZ. However apparently these icebergs would have broken away 7 years ago. And in the 1930s icebergs also reached NZ. I don't see any evidence in support or against global warming in this, but I am sure those who try hard enough will find "evidence".

    7. Re:Crazy weather by pschmied · · Score: 1

      Come down to Wellington in the Peoples Republic of Kiwistan and tell me that Sydney's cold.

      Sigh. We picked the wrong year to move to NZ and to Wellington to boot. Gale force wind again? Yup. I think that was just an iceberg flying past my 2nd floor window.

      -Peter

    8. Re:Crazy weather by Jugalator · · Score: 1

      Global warming causes colder weather?

      Yes, it definitely can. One theory significant for us at least is that the mexican gulf current may slow down due to general warming, and that would give us almost arctic climate over here.

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    9. Re:Crazy weather by pudro · · Score: 2, Informative

      With certain theories, depending on the cause. Really, those theories need to use terms like "climate change" instead to avoid confusion.

      Those situations would actually be worse than global warming. With warming, we can just move towards the poles. Maybe things get real bad and Canada is the new Mexico. But with other theories the temperature just gets more extreme, with areas around the equator becoming unlivably hot, areas closer to the poles becoming unlivably cold, and the transition areas becoming more full of violent weather due to the drastic differences in temperature. Decide how likely that is for yourself.

      And these icebergs wouldn't have anything to do with any of these theories.

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    10. Re:Crazy weather by Tjeerd · · Score: 1

      I live nearby Rotterdam, The Netherlands and the last few weeks the temperatures are above the normal average for this month (far above) and for today they expect the temperature to become almost 20 degrees Celcius. That is really extreme (almost never happened), normal temperatures for November are about 5-10 degrees Celcius.

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    11. Re:Crazy weather by dwarfsoft · · Score: 1, Interesting

      It was like that in Toowoomba (South East Queensland, and therefore probably Brisbane) as well. It was ~30'C one day, then the next there are icy winds and apparently with wind chill it was estimated at 9'C today.

      The wind itself was an anomoly because by this time of year its usually warm breezes, not icy gales.

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    12. Re:Crazy weather by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are you ignoring the massive amounts of data which speaks clearly of climate change? Oh right, if you're in the US, the government is suppressing such results in the media, so you'll never see it.

    13. Re:Crazy weather by old_kennyp · · Score: 1

      My brother in law yesterday was in the Blue Mountains, west of sydney fight the bushfires there. Strange this was while trying to put out raging bushfires is started snowing!!! WTF! coldest morning in Sydney today for 120 odd years! wierd I say KP

    14. Re:Crazy weather by boarsai · · Score: 1

      We allmost had a 'super cell' tornado in Brisbane (aus) on the same day. Weathers wacked out eh? http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200611/s17896 95.htm

    15. Re:Crazy weather by east+coast · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why are you ignoring the massive amounts of data which speaks clearly of climate change?

      Once again... I said I do not discount the theory. Sorry if this little factoid bothers you but the commonly accepted version of "global warming" is still just a theory. This is what science is all about; you take a series of observations, you try to predict the outcome of a model based on these observations and you retest and see what happens. That's the basics. So far there hasn't been a truly successful model that I'm aware of that can take all the elements of "global warming" and put them together in a cohesive, proven package. (If this is new to you, this package is what is normally called a "law" in scientific circles. Laws and Theories all too often get their terms used interchangeably, which is wrong and this is also what causes some people to think that a theory is somehow proven and correct in the face of all other evidence). While I agree with some of the environmental initiatives of those who accept the global warming theory as a law I don't think we need to run into a "solution" at break-neck speeds. If anything we need more observation and we should start taking steps that make sense in other ways (reducing fossil fuels has a tremendous amount of potential as a movement from foreign oil independence to straight up environmentalism)

      Oh right, if you're in the US, the government is suppressing such results in the media, so you'll never see it.

      This is another thing I just love about The New and Improved Slashdot(tm). ACs who talk shit on the US acting as if we're somehow censored from the rest of the world. Acting as if people are just being loaded into black vans and carried off in the dead of night never to be seen again. Acting as if the US is a collective with no will of it's own. While I do not doubt that there are all sorts of higher powers that like to dicker in the field of science for their own personal profit we (the US) still have access to all the same information that someone in some other "enlightened" country has access to. Maybe some of the stories that appear in your local paper, assuming you're not an American with a hard on for bashing the current administration, don't hit the front page of my local paper but that doesn't mean I can't find this information via other channels. If you haven't happened to notice; I'm on the same internet as you. And even with all the bellyaching and boohooing I see coming from the likes of people like you I haven't seen any censorship on the internet coming from the powers that be in my country.

      My advice? Stop being a smug little asshole and realize that there is far more to the situation both in global warming and the current state of the US than what you see on "the science channel" (*cough* *cough*) and what some people rant on about on the street corners.

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    16. Re:Crazy weather by holejazel · · Score: 1

      Three days of unseasonable weather in a single location is now proof for a theory that encompasses an entire planet's climate change that would last for (at least) centuries?

      What the fuck has happened that real science being discarded for knee-jerk reactions is commonplace and winked at around here?
      Knee-jerk? I think people just add it to the already mounting evidence that global warming is as real as it gets. Less anyone else around here thinks that losing 720 billion tons of ice from Antartica in 35 days is natural ...

    17. Re:Crazy weather by 14CharUsername · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Its called marketing. Of course iceburgs floating past past NZ doesn't mean much empirically, its just one point of data. But it means pictures in newspapers and a bunch of articles written.

      Based on pure scientific data its hard to argue against global warming and its cause being increased CO2 in the atmosphere. That argument is won.

      The truth is on the side of the environmentalists this time. But the Truthiness is on the side of the oil industry. If global warming is false people can continue driving their SUVs and living in the suburbs. No one wants to have to make the serious changes needed to reduce their carbon output. Its much easier to take whatever anecdotal evidence and make all the rationalisations necessary so that you can continue to feel like global warming isn't true.

      Now what do you do to convince someone who wants to believe that global warming is false? sit them down and force them to read a 500 page study on global warming and its effects? That just isn't going to work. Show them an iceburg floating past them and say "that's what global warming does", and you might get somewhere.

      It's not science. But its much more effective than pointing to a dry scientific journal everytime someone says "It was pretty cold out today... so much for global warming". Everytime they give an anecdote about how global warming isn't happening you give them two that indicate that it is. That's politics.

      It really is unfortunate that global warming is politicized. But now that it is you can't whine about the other side using your tactics against you now can you?

    18. Re:Crazy weather by Dausha · · Score: 1

      "It's the 'Gore effect'. Wherever he goes to talk about global warming sees historic cold weather for the duration of his stay."

      That's just God giving him the cold shoulder.

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    19. Re:Crazy weather by east+coast · · Score: 1

      Knee-jerk? I think people just add it to the already mounting evidence that global warming is as real as it gets.

      Actually, no. If you take the time to go back and re-read the gp he's clearly trying to say that the recent small-term climate change in his neck of the woods is evidence that there is global warming.

      Again, consider the scientific method model against what the gp says and it's laughable.

      And yet again, I never did a single thing to discredit or dispute the global warming theory. Infact there is some doubtless validity to it, at least in part. But to sit back and let mouthpieces get away with butchering science for their own rant? I thought we were suppose to be above that type of thing on slashdot. (*cough*)

      This is the difference between hard science and a knee-jerk reaction. If you do not understand this please go back to a sixth grade classroom where I'm sure they can sit you down and explain the difference between a scientific model and a random/extraordinary occurrence.

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    20. Re:Crazy weather by iq+in+binary · · Score: 1

      Occam's razor though would point me towards "It's just colder. Global warming is just so much hot air!" ;-)

      Occam's Razor wouldn't point you anywhere.

      And I quote: "Thou Shalt Not Pluralize Needlessly."

      It would tell you to find out if "Global Warming" is complicating itself too much, and rule it out if it was. Occam never intended people to simply discount things if it was a complicated explanation; people just bastardized and butchered his words.

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    21. Re:Crazy weather by RobertB-DC · · Score: 1

      Gaia hates him for some reason.

      It's because he's throwing a monkey wrench into her attempts to return Earth to the dolphins, by getting rid of the annoying parasite that calls itself "humanity". Kinda like your body warms up to make it easier to kill the bad bacteria, ya know?

      (Note: above post contains sarcasm. Don't quote it when I run for office, m'kay?)

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    22. Re:Crazy weather by noigmn · · Score: 1

      Yeh, it's been all over the place this year in Melbourne, though that is normal for spring here. But unusually we got hail in Melbourne and snow nearby 2 days ago, which is quite strange for mid-November. Think I heard something about a temperate cyclone a few days earlier also.

      It is el nino again this year though. So everyone is expecting weird weird weather. And another year without decents rainfall. I heard cattle farmers are selling rather than trying to keep the stock for summer, because they know if they hope for rain and it doesn't come most will die. Ahh..the joys of freezing our arse off and still not getting much rain for water :).

      El Niño-Southern Oscillation
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_nino

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    23. Re:Crazy weather by Don853 · · Score: 1

      If you read the thread the whole way up, "east coast" is commenting on someone's using a few days of bad weather in Sydney as proof of global warming. He's not discounting global warming, he's saying that the link drawn in this particular instance is not science. It'd be like me saying the nice November we've had in New Jersey is caused by global warming. Global warming might cause more nice Novembers in New Jersey. It might cause more bad weather in Sydney. Neither of these local weather events, however, are proof of global warming.

  15. Opportunity by jomama717 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Have they spotted a Starbucks on any of them yet?

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    1. Re:Opportunity by kfg · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, but there's a Gap between them.

      KFG

    2. Re:Opportunity by antic · · Score: 1

      While in this article they're reported to be bigger than the size of a house, there was another news piece this morning about one nearing NZ that was 100m tall and another that was around 300m long - frickin' massive houses...

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  16. Re:Grammar Nazi. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    The fleet IS heading north. It is a singular entity.

  17. Frosty reception by Bifurcati · · Score: 2, Funny

    Unfortunaly, many sight see-ers received the cold shoulder from the icebergs, whose watery eyes and cold stare spoke of hidden depths.

  18. Re:Grammar Nazi. by Suertreus · · Score: 4, Informative

    A fleet of icebergs ARE heading north from Antarctica.

    Goodness, the Nazi's may have been evil, and they may have had terrible aim (as per the Stormtrooper Effect), but they weren't incompetent.
    "Fleet" is singular, thus a fleet of icebergs IS heading north. You wouldn't say that the same fleet 'are' heading north, would you?

  19. In Soviet Russia by KalvinB · · Score: 1, Funny

    you float past the iceberg

  20. Penguins already live on South Island... by bobkoure · · Score: 1

    ...but I'll bet they don't see icebergs that often.

    1. Re:Penguins already live on South Island... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      South Island? where's that, or did you mean The South Island?

      In any case, there's penguins on the South Island, the North Island, and even in Australia.

    2. Re:Penguins already live on South Island... by Curmudgeonlyoldbloke · · Score: 1

      Never mind South Island NZ - they already live in Africa!

      http://www.sanccob.co.za/african_penguin.htm

  21. Re:Grammar Nazi. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apparently, you're just a Grammar Musso-Fascio. It's one fleet of icebergs, thus "is" is correct.

  22. Re:Grammar Nazi. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Check out my post, right above yours. I think that hyperlink might've contributed to your thinking it was a grammatical error.

    Either that or you suck at English, one of the two.

  23. Very Cool? DUH! by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 2, Funny
    While not necessarily a consequence of global warming, it is very cool!

    Yeah - approximately 0 degrees celsius, IIRC.

    RS

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    1. Re:Very Cool? DUH! by SupplyMission · · Score: 1

      Exactly 0 degrees Celsius at standard temperature and pressure.

      Until 1954, the Celsius scale was calibrated to the freezing and boiling points of water. Now they use a fancy calibration method involving absolute zero and the triple point (temperature and pressure where gas, liquid and solid phases are stable) of a special type of water.

    2. Re:Very Cool? DUH! by Secrity · · Score: 2, Informative

      The outside, melting part of an iceberg is 0C; the core is considerably colder, about -15C to -20C.

  24. Icebergs *are* cool by zwerf · · Score: 5, Funny

    After all, they were responsible for the death of Leonardo Di Caprio.

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  25. Re:Grammar Nazi. by jazman_777 · · Score: 1

    Nothing like an ignoramous appointing himself the Grammar Nazi. Messing up something so basic as subject-verb agreement!

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  26. In fact... by aarku · · Score: 4, Funny

    The icebergs are on a direct collision course with a ranch in Crawford, Texas. At last, Earth fights back!

    1. Re:In fact... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, the result would be an immediate war against the Antarctic, the Arctic and other places in the axis of rotation.

    2. Re:In fact... by iq+in+binary · · Score: 1

      Of course, the result would be an immediate war against the Antarctic, the Arctic and other places in the axis of rotation.

      MOD HIM UP!!!!!!!!!!!

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  27. Why would it? by nwbvt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why would it have anything to do with global warming? Are people really under the impression that icebergs don't naturally exist and are really a product of the evil Bush administration's plan to cause global warming so they can drown the entire West coast?

    Its sort of sad when we have to clarify which stories might have to do with global warming and which don't...

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    1. Re:Why would it? by eebra82 · · Score: 1

      Why would it have anything to do with global warming?

      Ice has a nasty habit of melting and breaking up when heated up. Note the word 'warming' in the phrase 'global warming'.

      Are people really under the impression that icebergs don't naturally exist [..]

      I'm sure most of us are aware that icebergs exist. Who are you talking to? Who's making such claims?

      a product of the evil Bush administration's plan to cause global warming so they can drown the entire West coast?

      Yes, anyone who has experienced an alien anal probe believes in this.

      Its sort of sad when we have to clarify which stories might have to do with global warming and which don't...

      Maybe you should read the article before making such claims. The only reason mentioned in the article is the possibility that the recent storms caused it to break. Even the Slashdot article directly quotes that this does not have to be related to global warming - at all.

    2. Re:Why would it? by nwbvt · · Score: 1

      "Ice has a nasty habit of melting and breaking up when heated up. Note the word 'warming' in the phrase 'global warming'."

      Are you under the impression that temperatures all around the world stay constant unless global warming causes them to go up?

      "I'm sure most of us are aware that icebergs exist. Who are you talking to? Who's making such claims? "

      Perhaps I should have made my sarcasm more clear.

      "Yes, anyone who has experienced an alien anal probe believes in this. "

      Perhaps you should have made your sarcasm more clear. At least that is the tone I'm desperately hoping you intended...

      "Maybe you should read the article before making such claims. The only reason mentioned in the article is the possibility that the recent storms caused it to break. Even the Slashdot article directly quotes that this does not have to be related to global warming - at all."

      I read the article, and am aware it didn't mention global warming. That is why I was mocking the /. summary.

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    3. Re:Why would it? by saforrest · · Score: 1

      Why would it have anything to do with global warming?

      Because global warming has already significantly altered ice distribution around the poles, leaving thousands of what was once ice to be open water?

      One could plausibly speculate that this iceberg's appearance is connected with climate change without being a ridiculous conspiracy theorist (and Bush doesn't even have to come into it).

    4. Re:Why would it? by wiiinintendto · · Score: 1

      Maybe because it seems somewhat unnatural for an iceberg to be so far North? I'm no expert, but to me, it seems common sense would tell you that it's not everyday that you see a big, cold, white thing drifting around a place where it doesn't seem right?


      Also too, the fact that it has been unseasonally cold and even snowing in parts of NSW where it never snows normally might seem kind of strange to some of us as well.


      Just my $0.02



    5. Re:Why would it? by nwbvt · · Score: 1

      You know what else alters ice distribution around the poles? The fact that it is summer in the southern hemisphere.

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    6. Re:Why would it? by nwbvt · · Score: 3, Funny

      Don't know that New Zealand is that far north, but if it is, wouldn't that mean it must be cooler?

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    7. Re:Why would it? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Actually, the icebergs are evolving mobility. We are witnessing a new lifeform. Global warming causes ice evolution! Boy, is this gonna muck up science books.

    8. Re:Why would it? by eebra82 · · Score: 1

      While not necessarily a consequence of global warming it is very cool!

      It's pretty clear that the author does not imply that this would have anything to do with global warming.

      I know perfectly well that temperatures do not stay constant. It's fairly obvious that there are more factors than just global warming. My point is that it is possible global warming could have caused this and should not be ruled out. I for one am worried about global warming. I doubt that the air pollution caused by humans isn't making a difference - we just don't know the true effects yet.

      I know you were sarcastic, but you used it to insult those who are worried about global warming. Why should I not strike back?

    9. Re:Why would it? by alphabetsoup · · Score: 3, Informative

      Icebergs are natural, icebergs so far up north aren't. The chief reason why this indicates global warming is to sail this far up north, the sea surrounding the iceberg must have been cooler than usual. This can only happen if more and more ice is melting from the iceberg, which reduces the temperature of the ocean current, enabling the iceberg to move further north without melting.

      This may sound counterintuitive, global warming reducing ocean temperature, but it actually isn't. Global warming means increase of the average temperature of the earth, not that of a particular region.

    10. Re:Why would it? by wiiinintendto · · Score: 1

      What? New Zealand is much warmer than Antarctica. If in doubt, Google it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand/

      There, did it for you ;)

    11. Re:Why would it? by rblum · · Score: 1

      Gaah. I hope you had the sarcasm hat on, and the mods are just too stupid to see it. (Insightful, indeed...)

      For our mods: NZ is part of the *southern* hemisphere. Being far north means it's closer to the equator, and hence, *warmer*. Sheesh

    12. Re:Why would it? by Kangburra · · Score: 1
      Don't know that New Zealand is that far north, but if it is, wouldn't that mean it must be cooler?


      Sarcasm or stupidity? Going north from the SOUTH pole would mean it got warmer!
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    13. Re:Why would it? by smoker2 · · Score: 1
      Don't know that New Zealand is that far north, but if it is, wouldn't that mean it must be cooler?
      GWB, is that you ?
    14. Re:Why would it? by DerekLyons · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Icebergs are natural, icebergs so far up north aren't.

      Actually, if you read the TFA, or know anything about icebergs - you'll realize you are full of crap. Icebergs have been sited near NZ in the past - it's a rare occurence, but it does happen. A singular reccurence of something that has happened in the recent past and repeatedly across recorded history does not constitute proof (or disproof) of anything.
    15. Re:Why would it? by saforrest · · Score: 3, Informative
      You know what else alters ice distribution around the poles? The fact that it is summer in the southern hemisphere.

      Oh, for God's sake. It's a verifiable fact that significant amounts of Antarctic ice that have never been thawed in recorded human history are now gone. See for example this article:

      The Larsen A ice shelf, which measured 1,600 sq km, broke off in 1995. The 1,100 sq km Wilkins ice shelf fell off in 1998 and the 13,500 sq km Larsen B dropped away in 2002.

      Though if you seriously think every person complaining about global warming is too stupid to know when it's summer in the Southern Hemisphere, then I don't think it's worth expending much effort talking to you.

    16. Re:Why would it? by nwbvt · · Score: 1

      Haha, my apologies, that wasn't very clear, at least not if you fail to read the previous remark (and since this is /., you cannot count on anyone to take anything in context). I'll rephrase. I don't know if New Zealand is far north enough for it to be rare that one wouldn't expect icebergs to make it that far, but if it is, wouldn't that mean that the climate would have had to get cooler in order for the ice to make it that far?

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    17. Re:Why would it? by nwbvt · · Score: 1

      More like John Kerry. It referred to the climate whose temperature would have had to gone down for icebergs to last that far north, not New Zealand.

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    18. Re:Why would it? by nwbvt · · Score: 1

      "It's pretty clear that the author does not imply that this would have anything to do with global warming. "

      Yes, I was mocking the need for that comment.

      "My point is that it is possible global warming could have caused this and should not be ruled out"

      So you are going to go through life assuming anything unusual having to do with weather was caused by global warming? Thats not a very scientific approach.

      "I know you were sarcastic, but you used it to insult those who are worried about global warming. Why should I not strike back?"

      Actually, I was mocking the submitters of the article.

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    19. Re:Why would it? by nwbvt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Oh, for God's sake. It's a verifiable fact that significant amounts of Antarctic ice that have never been thawed in recorded human history are now gone. See for example this article"

      Thats a small part of the Antarctic ice sheet. The East Antarctic sheet is actually growing.

      "Though if you seriously think every person complaining about global warming is too stupid to know when it's summer in the Southern Hemisphere, then I don't think it's worth expending much effort talking to you."

      No, not every person. Most do understand the complexities of the planet's climate. However, some do not. If their first reaction to hearing about icebergs in the region was to think it must be global warming, then they probably do not understand how the seasons work.

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    20. Re:Why would it? by nwbvt · · Score: 1

      Yes, I was referring to the regional climate that must have gotten cooler if icebergs are making it much further north than would normally be expected.

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    21. Re:Why would it? by nwbvt · · Score: 1

      It happened decades ago, which means it isn't that rare at all. Yes, global warming could have many diverse effects on the climate around the world (in fact, one would be that the ice in Antartica would increase rather than decrease due to increased precipitation), but it still shouldn't be the default explanation for any weather-related phenomenon.

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    22. Re:Why would it? by jrumney · · Score: 1

      All it means is that the chunks of ice breaking off are bigger so survive longer, and that the ocean currents are in the right direction to bring them to New Zealand. If there were lots of them for a sustained period, it might cause local cooling in the area, but otherwise the local temperature isn't all that relevant. New Zealand's latitude is roughly the same as the South of France, Spain and into Morocco, to put it into perspective for people in the Northern Hemisphere (though Europe is in a warm current, so the equivalent latitude in East Coast US might be a better indicator of ocean temperature - probably centered somewhere around Washington DC I think).

    23. Re:Why would it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Yes, I was referring to the regional climate that must have gotten cooler if icebergs are making it much further north than would normally be expected."

      Not really. The far south of the South Island of New Zealand is a cool temperate place with a climate like Scotland's. They effectively have nearly 10 months of winter there. Today's temperature high inland was 13C with a low of 6C. 60km off the coast it'd be much colder.

    24. Re:Why would it? by tehcyder · · Score: 1
      Actually, if you read the TFA, or know anything about icebergs
      Wow, an iceberg snob.
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    25. Re:Why would it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Not really. The far south of the South Island of New Zealand is a cool temperate place
      > with a climate like Scotland's. They effectively have nearly 10 months of winter there.

      No. Not at all. 46 deg S puts it as the antipode of Bay of Biscay.

      > Today's temperature high inland was 13C with a low of 6C.

      It is spring here. Southerlies do bring cold weather for a few days.

      Here ios a comparison chart against some British cities with months inverted from http://www.emigratenz.org/NewZealandClimate.html

      Dunedin vs British Cities
      Average Daily Maximum Temperatures (oC)
      Month Dunedin London Edinburgh Birmingham
      January 10 6 6 6
      February 11 7 6 6
      March 13 10 8 9
      April 15 13 11 12
      May 16 17 14 15
      June 18 20 17 19
      July 19 22 18 21
      August 19 21 18 20
      September 17 19 16 17
      October 15 14 12 13
      November 12 10 9 8
      December 10 7 7 6

      > 60km off the coast it'd be much colder.

      On the iceberg it will.

    26. Re:Why would it? by E++99 · · Score: 1
      Are people really under the impression that icebergs don't naturally exist and are really a product of the evil Bush administration's plan to cause global warming so they can drown the entire West coast?

      Yep. Also, Bush made hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans because he found out that they had a large black population. (and he doesn't like black people, if you hadn't heard.)
    27. Re:Why would it? by E++99 · · Score: 1
      Icebergs are natural, icebergs so far up north aren't. The chief reason why this indicates global warming is to sail this far up north, the sea surrounding the iceberg must have been cooler than usual. This can only happen if more and more ice is melting from the iceberg, which reduces the temperature of the ocean current, enabling the iceberg to move further north without melting.

      Wow, you should publish a paper on that! Or sell some of this special ice that doesn't melt because it melts so fast! Or read what you write before you submit it! Or stop trying to think about science altogether!

      You just claimed that this iceberg able to make it so far north without melting because the water around it is colder than usual, and the that water around it is colder than usual because global warming is making it melt so fast! ...Or maybe you were joking, in which case please redirect my derision to those who modded you +3 informative.
    28. Re:Why would it? by nwbvt · · Score: 1

      "All it means is that the chunks of ice breaking off are bigger so survive longer, and that the ocean currents are in the right direction to bring them to New Zealand. If there were lots of them for a sustained period, it might cause local cooling in the area, but otherwise the local temperature isn't all that relevant."

      Hmm, I guess the disclaimer didn't work, people do think this was caused by global warming (despite the fact that the phenomenon is common enough to have happened decades ago).

      Yes, global warming can cause many different diverse effects in the world. However, that doesn't mean that every phenomenon we see in nature was caused by global warming.

      "New Zealand's latitude is roughly the same as the South of France, Spain and into Morocco, to put it into perspective for people in the Northern Hemisphere (though Europe is in a warm current, so the equivalent latitude in East Coast US might be a better indicator of ocean temperature - probably centered somewhere around Washington DC I think)."

      More like Maine. But you need to check your current maps again, the East coast is also in a warm current. So a better comparision would end up being off the coast of Washington State, not DC. And if there was a source of ice as big as Antarctica in the North Pacific, they may well see icebergs near their coast every couple of decades.

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    29. Re:Why would it? by saforrest · · Score: 1

      Thats a small part of the Antarctic ice sheet. The East Antarctic sheet is actually growing.

      You have not demonstrated any evidence that this part which is growing is substantially larger than the portions which have thawed. This is the general problem when comparing multiple qualitative reports of two counterbalancing phenonema, whether it be global weather patterns, or insurgents in Iraq.

      Of course, the same argument applies to my position, since we can draw no quantitative conclusions at all without the numbers. What we do know from both the qualitative reports we've discussed, is that ice levels in Antarctica and elsewhere are changing rapidly at previously unrecorded rates, whether it be melting or thawing (e.g. the snows of Kilimanjaro).

      In any case, because weather is a chaotic system, it's entirely possible that a rise in global mean temperature could cause ice quantities to grow someplace, just as some people are predicting that the net effect of global warming will be the cooling of Europe though the collapse of the Gulf Stream. This is why people are now using the term "climate change" in place of "global warming".

    30. Re:Why would it? by RedWizzard · · Score: 1
      Don't know that New Zealand is that far north
      It's as far north as France is south (Spain is the antipode of New Zealand).
    31. Re:Why would it? by nwbvt · · Score: 1

      "You have not demonstrated any evidence that this part which is growing is substantially larger than the portions which have thawed."

      Uh, want to check a map? Eastern Antarctica (also known as Greater Antarctica, roughly the part east of the Transantarctic mountains) is much bigger. Yes, its possible that little detail was not in the link I gave you, as I have read other source on the subject.

      "in any case, because weather is a chaotic system, it's entirely possible that a rise in global mean temperature could cause ice quantities to grow someplace"

      Yes, in fact many argue that the rate of which the eastern sheet grows will increase should human induced climate change cause massive shifts in the Earth's climate (more precipitation down South). This is why your argument that Antarctica is melting is rarely used these days. Because your "verifiable fact" is not only false, but would disprove most climate models. I was not arguing that climate change is impossible (even though that is what many people interpret any argument that goes against their almost religious convictions on the subject), but rather that your interpretation of the facts is incorrect.

      "just as some people are predicting that the net effect of global warming will be the cooling of Europe though the collapse of the Gulf Stream"

      Don't believe everything you hear in Hollywood movies. That argument has pretty much been refuted. Any change caused by the collapse of the Gulf Stream would be minor and likely offset by the warming that caused it in the first place.

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    32. Re:Why would it? by saforrest · · Score: 1

      This is why your argument that Antarctica is melting is rarely used these days. Because your "verifiable fact" is not only false, but would disprove most climate models.

      The only thing I described as a "verifiable fact" is the claim that "significant amounts of Antarctic ice that have never been thawed in recorded human history are now gone". At the same time I provided a link to a BBC article describing particular patches of ice that are gone.

      If I understood you correctly earlier, you haven't refuted or denied this, but argued instead that other ice has been formed. You are generalizing what I said to the stronger claim that the net quantity of ice in Antarctica is declining. This is not what I claimed; you'll note that even in the first comment all I said was that "global warming has already significantly altered ice distribution around the poles."

      Don't believe everything you hear in Hollywood movies. That argument has pretty much been refuted. Any change caused by the collapse of the Gulf Stream would be minor and likely offset by the warming that caused it in the first place.

      You'll forgive me if I remain unconvinced without being provided with compelling evidence (or any evidence at all). This is not to say I'm confident that the Gulf Stream will stop: at this point I am skeptical of most universal claims on this subject (but especially those of people with an agenda to push, like most of those who claim it's not happening).

      You're also not helping your case with the patronizing implication that I get my science knowledge from Hollywood. I don't even know what movie you're referring to, and in any case I certainly haven't seen it.

    33. Re:Why would it? by nwbvt · · Score: 1

      "The only thing I described as a "verifiable fact" is the claim that "significant amounts of Antarctic ice that have never been thawed in recorded human history are now gone". At the same time I provided a link to a BBC article describing particular patches of ice that are gone."

      How are you defining 'significant'? The sections that are melting are tiny compared to the area increasing. Yes, some ice is melting while other ice is growing. Thats how its been on this planet for billions of years.

      "You'll forgive me if I remain unconvinced without being provided with compelling evidence (or any evidence at all). This is not to say I'm confident that the Gulf Stream will stop: at this point I am skeptical of most universal claims on this subject (but especially those of people with an agenda to push, like most of those who claim it's not happening)."

      Yeah, because those who claim that it is happening never have an agenda...

      Here is the article.

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    34. Re:Why would it? by saforrest · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because those who claim that it is happening never have an agenda...

      Well, of course they do. In general the agenda of scientists is to do science, while the agenda of politicans is to do politics. Now, I'm certainly not going to argue that scientists themselves are unswayed by political sentiments, and would never support one side for political and not scientific reasons.

      But when I have not made my own quantitative analysis, my skepticism tells me to weigh which side has the least incentive to lie. While I think that it's possible for climatologists to be swayed by "the liberal agenda", I think it's much more likely for other side to be swayed by billions of dollars in lost revenue.

      This is not to say I trust my conclusions hold: conclusions based on trusting hundreds of strangers are rarely completely sound. But these conclusions seem much stronger to me than any of the arguments for either side I've heard yet.

      Thanks for the link; I'll have a look. After enough of these discussions I will eventually have to educate myself to the degree that my decisions are based less on trust (but as I'm not a climatologist, there will always have to be some trust involved.)

    35. Re:Why would it? by nwbvt · · Score: 1

      "Well, of course they do. In general the agenda of scientists is to do science, while the agenda of politicans is to do politics. Now, I'm certainly not going to argue that scientists themselves are unswayed by political sentiments, and would never support one side for political and not scientific reasons."

      The people throwing around the exaggerated comments about the certainty of global warming are not usually the climatologists (in fact their wordings are usually that it is a threat, not a certainty). Its the media and politicians who misread (or more likely don't read at all) the reports to say what they want them to say. Not too many outside of the worlds of politics and the media are arguing things like 'global warming (at least in the form of human produced greenhouse gases) is a certainty' or 'global warming can never happen'. Most people are merely either arguing that it is a very real threat, or expressing skeptisim on the conclusions that are being drawn. But of course neither the media nor policians can accept such shades of gray.

      And I wouldn't go as far as saying people are being motivated to lie about the issue. Most people honestly believe what they are saying. They just have different interpretations of the facts.

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    36. Re:Why would it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Southland's climate is colder than Dunedin's. Early summer in the south is often colder than mid-winter in the upper North Island. It's a damn cold place.

  28. Re:Grammar Nazi. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    A fleet of icebergs ARE heading north from Antarctica.

    An incompetent grammar Nazi: "is" is correct because there is only one fleet of icebergs.

  29. advertisement by theobscurest · · Score: 1

    I thought the advertisement at the site was much more interesting than the article itself.

    1. Re:advertisement by iSeal · · Score: 1
      I thought the advertisement [raboplus.co.nz] at the site was much more interesting than the article itself.

      I was actually going to say something along the same lines. I clicked on the ad as I was amused by any country that refers to its citizenry as kiwis (consider me ignorant.) I saw their video, which I assumed was advertising for something very different than it turned out to be. I loled.
    2. Re:advertisement by theobscurest · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the kiwi thing got me too.. My thoughts exactly.

    3. Re:advertisement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Oh gees. You do realise that the word kiwi comes from here, right? We have this bird, right? It's called the Kiwi. Nocturnal, rather cute, can't fly, most species are endangered. We're rather proud of it. Anyway, from the name, we get all things "new zealandish" but since that's an awful word, we use kiwi as an adjective for all things relating to New Zealand. (The New Zealand Dollar is known as the kiwi in some contexts, Earnest Ruderford a famous kiwi scientist, just to name two. Wikipedia has some more things that kiwi is often used to refer to.)

      In the 1960s or so, we were growing a fruit called a 'chinese goosebury' remarkably well. At the time, there was quite a bit of a red scare, so calling anything 'chinese' didn't really sell all that well. So, some people at Turners and Growers, a fruit auctioneering and resale company, came up with the name 'kiwifruit' to sell these things as. Yep, it's all marketing, but there you go.

      Ironically enough, kiwifruit is one thing that the word 'kiwi' *never* refers to in its native country. A New Zealander will look at you very strangely if say you're going to eat a 'kiwi', as we think you're trying to eat our, rather endangered, bird.

      And in case you haven't guessed, yes, I am a kiwi.

    4. Re:advertisement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I was actually going to say something along the same lines. I clicked on the ad as I was amused by any country that refers to its citizenry as kiwis (consider me ignorant.) I saw their video, which I assumed was advertising for something very different than it turned out to be. I loled."

      It's advertising for a Dutch bank which is trying to open in New Zealand. The advertising campaign goes with TV adverts from overseas which compares using their bank with having an extra-marrital affair and presents that positively. The local advertising industry probably wouldn't have used tactics like that.

      You're probably going to find this kiwi confusing.

  30. Coolest Floating Bar EVER! by vmcto · · Score: 1

    All I could think about when I saw the picture was "claiming" the iceberg and creating te world's most exclusive floating bar... Of course the frozen daiquiris and iced vodka shots would contribute to its demise.

    1. Re:Coolest Floating Bar EVER! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would think flaming drinks would be a bigger hazard...

  31. Applying a little logic by professorfalcon · · Score: 1

    >an event that has not occurred in decades.
    >While not necessarily a consequence of global warming

    It _cannot_ be a consequence of global warming. If this happened decades ago, but global warming is making this event more and more common (since it will doom us in _decades_, not _eons_), then you get a contradiction. It's like saying the line y=x passes through (1,1) twice.

    1. Re:Applying a little logic by Max+Littlemore · · Score: 1
      It _cannot_ be a consequence of global warming. If this happened decades ago, but global warming is making this event more and more common (since it will doom us in _decades_, not _eons_), then you get a contradiction. It's like saying the line y=x passes through (1,1) twice.

      Actually, applying a little logic, an increased frequency of these occurences can be due to global warming. Try thinking in curves instead of straight lines. How often does sin(T) pass through zero?

      I know that this is an overly simplistic model, but it does attempt to demonstrate that overall global warming will lead to greater extremes of temperature with more rapid transitions. Besides, your model was even more simplistic.

      We just had an unusually warm Southern winter which caused more ice to break away from Antartica than usual. When I say unusually warm, I mean compared with the last umpteen hunned thousand years.

      Followed up with an unseasonal cold snap that produced snow as low as 90 mile beach in South East Gippsland, which is pretty bloody close to sea level and just across the Tasman from where this iceburg is now. No wonder this iceburg made it so far North. And for those who don't know, snow is quite rare for Gippsland in the hills.

      Could this cold wind coming up from the South be due in some part to all the extra ice cubes floating around in the Southern Ocean? The ones that broke off when it got a little to warm down there? IANAM, but it seems to fit with some predictions I read.

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    2. Re:Applying a little logic by Bob-taro · · Score: 1

      Max and Falcon - I'm going to have to report both of you to the Logic police.

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    3. Re:Applying a little logic by jonadab · · Score: 1

      Actually, that just sounds like Non-Euclidean Geometry. HTH.HAND.

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  32. crucial question+2 by towsonu2003 · · Score: 1

    Do they run on Linux? If they do, are there problems loading the temperature sensor modules? Also, should we start preparing our own Noah's boats (which, conveniently enough, will be provided with full specs and run on Linux)?

  33. i for one by revolu7ion · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I for one, welcome our Iceberg overlords...

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  34. Re:Grammar Nazi. by kklein · · Score: 1

    Are you daft? A FLEET (of icebergs) IS heading north from Antarctica.

    Don't do the Grammar Goosestep if you can't do the Subject-Verb Agreement... dance... of pain...

  35. Re:Grammar Nazi. by Twisted64 · · Score: 1

    Nazis (plural, not posessive). I hate you all for making me care enough to post this.

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  36. In Soviet Russia by idonthack · · Score: 4, Funny

    In Soviet Russia, Titanics get icebergy and run into your cock.

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  37. Re:Grammar Nazi. by pembo13 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    haha, bet you wish you had posted that anonymously.

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  38. see, technically... by soricine · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    from the kiwi-smoothie dept

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi

    Kiwi smoothies are generally frowned upon in NZ.

  39. Re:Grammar Nazi. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    Goodness, the Nazi's may have been evil
    That's "Nazis", not "Nazi's".
    "Fleet" is singular, thus a fleet of icebergs IS heading north. You wouldn't say that the same fleet 'are' heading north, would you?
    He would if he were British, you insensitive clod.
  40. Re:Yeah but not the South Pole... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    which pretty much matters.

  41. I just have to do it.... by Cynonamous+Anoward · · Score: 0

    I, for one, welcome our new floating iceberb overlords...

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  42. Wow... by toejam316 · · Score: 1

    Wish I was down south, It'd be great to see it. You'd think that we'd be able to see it at one stage though, so lets hope. I wonder whats happening now? A reporter was on a high point at one stage, not even a day later it colapsed and fell into the water. Lucky break for him anyway.

    1. Re:Wow... by fatmal · · Score: 1

      A reporter was on a high point at one stage, not even a day later it colapsed and fell into the water.

      I'm in Australia, and I saw a piece about that on our breakfast telly. The helicopter that dropped the guy off didn't touch down fully, but stayed very light on its skids. I wonder if the noise/vibration from the chopper had anything to do with the collapse?

      Also, the reporter freely admits that he sent his cameraman out first!

  43. If we run out of ice... by Nanpa · · Score: 0

    Seeing how we seem to be losing quite a bit of ice, I would recomend that we immediatly mine Haley's Comet for more

  44. Opportunity knocks by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Quick! Put web servers on them and declare them an independent nation free from of censorship.

    1. Re:Opportunity knocks by Shadyman · · Score: 1

      Quick! Put web servers on them and declare them an independent nation free from of censorship.

      ... and free from of grammars!

  45. Damn, 30 years late... by flyingfsck · · Score: 2, Funny

    Finally some corroboration of our Global Cooling campaign.
    http://www.fcpp.org/main/publication_detail.php?Pu bID=864

    Drs. Tim Ball and David Suzuki.

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  46. Cooool! by Enigma1625 · · Score: 1

    "While not necessarily a consequence of global warming it is very cool!" Haha, because they're icebergs! They are COOL! Get it? I did!

  47. Freezing Surprise by batmonkey · · Score: 1

    This quote from TFA gives a glimpse into why I find this sort of thing facinating: "Marine radio operator John McLellan said ships in the area should have been given accurate information about the icebergs much earlier."

    The picture in the article shows quite an impressive slice of glacier, and picturing one of those just appearing out of nowhere...oh, man, I could see how advance notice would have been helpful.

    "OMIGOD! Ninja Iceberg!"

    The freezer would be a new Zone of Terror, and I've already got too many of those.

    1. Re:Freezing Surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ships in the area south of NZ are few and far between, or seriously off-course.

    2. Re:Freezing Surprise by batmonkey · · Score: 1

      Ah. Then perhaps the icebergs should be more worried about roving gangs of Kiwis with iceberg vendettas.

  48. OLD NEWS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Icebergs were reported weeks ago near NZ.

  49. Re:Grammar Nazi. by aevan · · Score: 3, Funny

    Whose to say it isn't two fleets currently engaged in joint exercises buzzing the kiwis?

  50. Re:Grammar Nazi. by Kangburra · · Score: 1
    Nazis (plural, not posessive). I hate you all for making me care enough to post this.


    This is another Slashdot effect! :-)
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  51. I wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if I look outside my window, will i see one......
    F**K there it is. Its HUGE!!!

    Ray Taylor
    www.teamparodee.com

  52. Thank god for that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thank god for that!

  53. The Truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I live in New Zealand and this is a load of crap. It is only getting coverage because a slef-felatio reporter flew out to the ice berg on a helicopter...and as the story goes...he went for a number 2 and slipped, his urethra froze to the iceberg. Helen Clark had to breathe hot air onto his peepee to release him.

    Honest to bhudda, this is the truth.

  54. here it comes by zxscooby · · Score: 1

    I for one welcome our new icy overlords.

  55. I must say by justinkz · · Score: 0

    All of the joke comments in this thread are idiotic.

    1. Re:I must say by AstrumPreliator · · Score: 1

      Did an iceberg kill your mother or something? Chill out!

    2. Re:I must say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The whole subject is overrated... i spend several months a year in Antarctica, and icebergs break off all the time. The fact that this one was still visible by the time it reached New Zealand waters, simply means it was one of the larger ones. Glaciers move and shift and pieces break off... the southern tip of New Zealand is no further from the southern pole, than parts of Nova Scotia are from the northern pole... and icebergs are spotted up there, quite often...

      What's all the hubbub about?

  56. Re:Grammar Nazi. by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 1
    He would if he were British, you insensitive clod.
    No he wouldn't. For some reason a sports team is usually referred to as plural (Manchester United are [not is] winning), but military units are normally considered singular (The Spanish Armada was [not were] bowled over by Drake).

    Nice use of the subjunctive, though.
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  57. Re:Grammar Nazi. by freemywrld · · Score: 1

    All your burg are belong to us! (and your grammar, too)

  58. OMG! OH NOES! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone panic!

  59. Rely on lack of knowledge to spread fear. by Shivetya · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    because someone from an organization will claim it does. As with much in the way of such publications they will rely on the general lack of knowledge of the public. If not now I bet there will be some group that references "iceburgs off of NZ a few years back" in some passage as justification for "their" view of global warming.

    Too much of the Global Warming hysteria, and yes a lot of the pronoucements are bordering if not crossing that line, follow the same pattern. Have an official sounding name, employ a few government scientist who have no other opportunity for work, and set a deadline likely not to be seen in many's lifetime.

    Works wonders for many subjects. Dire predictions and such make headlines. Headlines garner attention. Attention can lead to money. Somehow I think underwear is involved.

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  60. Re:Grammar Nazi. by Paua+Fritter · · Score: 1

    possessive

  61. Re:Grammar Nazi. by PHPfanboy · · Score: 1

    Goodness, the Nazi's may have been evil Dude, we're talking about Icebergs, not Goldbergs - what's the Nazi link?

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  62. Australian drought by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    Considering that Australia is in a major drought, they should consider the idea at this time.

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  63. Overlords by Alarash · · Score: 1

    I, for one, welcome our new iceberg overlords.

  64. Just smile and wave, boys! by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    Just smile and wave.

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  65. Decades? The article says it's common by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where did you get the "it hasn't happened in decades?" I didn't see that in the article - it said it's common.

  66. ah, so by Ossadagowah · · Score: 1
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  67. What amazes me more than the Icebergs.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is that this topic has been on here for hours and no Australians have posted some 'New Zealanders are all a bunch of sheep shaggers' comments.

  68. Ummm... by tut21 · · Score: 1

    While not necessarily a consequence of global warming it is very cool!

    Very cold, actually.

    1. Re:Ummm... by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > > While not necessarily a consequence of global warming it is very cool!

      > Very cold, actually.

      No, just cool. Real cold doesn't start until 60 below.

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  69. Chilly Willie did this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  70. So New Zealand says to Antarctica... by cmckosaurous · · Score: 1

    All your iceburgs are belong to us? *ducks*

    1. Re:So New Zealand says to Antarctica... by cmckosaurous · · Score: 1

      Yes, I know I mis-spelled Iceberg... It is 12:30 and I still have not had any coffee...

  71. Not so sure by Aqua_boy17 · · Score: 1

    I'm waiting for a statement from the administration stating that we have only just learned that icebergs are migratory. Maybe they're just looking for more fertile shipping lanes so they can feed before the mating season starts.

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  72. Breakthrough! by larpon · · Score: 1

    They have moved the iceberg to shore now:
    http://commhum.mccneb.edu/fstdatabase/images/Veggi es/i_lettuceiceberg.jpg ... So nothing for you to see here anymore... Please move along...

  73. NZ Superpower by sc0p3 · · Score: 1

    WA Hoo! We made the news!

  74. overheard by mralphabet · · Score: 1

    Overheard as the iceberg passed NZ, "Ice to meet you!"

  75. So let me get this straight, more ice = warming? by sam_vilain · · Score: 2, Interesting

    These days you get any freaky weather event, and it gets blamed on global warming. Even when it doesn't make sense.

    Surely, more ice making it further north would, if anything, be supporting evidence for datasets that show the oceans are getting cooler? You might also note that some data sets suggest that the global warming trend is not present in the Southern Hemisphere.

    There is some evidence that the icecaps melting around the edges, but getting thicker in the middle. Perhaps that's because the Sun's output is a huge factor to global warming, and there are no sunspots this year?

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  76. Global cooling by pestilence669 · · Score: 1

    "Scientists had said earlier that it was not unusual to see icebergs so far from the Antarctic coastal region, where they had broken off the ice shelf - but that they were expected to melt as they drifted toward New Zealand."

    See, they're not melting as fast as expected. Fear the coming ice age!

  77. When they ground ... by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

    What sedimentological structures should I expect to see?
    Lets see - firstly, by definition I'm talking about a depositional environment, not an erosional one, so I'm talking about a clastic deposit. (Could one survive long enough to get into a carbonate- or evaporite-depositing environment? Pretty dubious, but hard to say it's theoretically impossible.) We'd get large scale disruption of bedding, up to a considerable number of metres into the bed deposit. Would the introduced mass survive in place? No, it could move off again, or melt in situ. As it melted, the introduced portion would have relative insulation from the (relatively) warm water, so it'd remain solid while the parts of the berg in free water would melt faster. But the berg would be pulled up and out of the sediment by bouyancy (possibly pumped tidally), so we'd see some sort of suction structures distorting the already-distorted bedding. Maybe doubled-over folding? The final tear-away scar would have a different structure of slumping into an open scar, perhaps combined with fluidisation.
    Hmmm, I'll have to keep my eyes peeled for that sort of thing if I'm ever looking into an excavated marine boulder clay again. Not something I'm likely to see in core.

    Sorry, geologist thinking out loud. Nothing to see here. Move along now.

    Now what are those fossils in the new Yusuf Islam ("Cat Stevens") video? Can't get a good look - Spriggina? Or anonymous ammonites?

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  78. Iceberg - For Sale by DerekTomes · · Score: 1

    Some enterprising kiwi is now auctioning the iceberg on www.trademe.co.nz
    TradeMe is the New Zealand equivilent of eBay (the UI doesn't suck though)

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  79. OT: Amazing sig by HishamMuhammad · · Score: 1

    Just had to say it.