Concur. Anyone who has been forced (and hopefully few have volunteered) to administer lotes shudders at the thought of it. It was the worst adminning experience I've ever had....
Fair enough I suppose. Let he who hath no sin cast the first stone and all that....
In the end, we judge others and actually judge ourselves. The former CEO of Enron was, understandably, a modern type of monster. You're hard-pressed to find much good to say about him other than, "he was human." But so is every death row inmate.
I find the older I get, the more careful I am in judging simply because I've been through a certain amount of crap and I also realize that, as my southern grandfather used to put it, "you gotta walk that lonesome valley.... You gotta walk it by yourself."
Lay emerged on the world scene like the rest of us, and like the rest of us he struggled to climb to the top. Along the way, as most of us do, he compromised. A time came when he compromised big, and then he kept on compromising until that little voice we all have simply wasn't there anymore. He had to know he was destroying lives as he built his personal pile.
I'm reminded of what the news paper tycoon said to the young Orson Wells as his life was ending in public shame, indebtedness and legal turmoil: "my fight with the world is ending. Yours is just beginning."
While the vitriol makes perfect sense right now, we just gotta be careful. We, too, will screw up either in a big or small way in this world. Hopefully, not that big. Still, the man is dead.
Frodo: "It's a pity Bilbo didn't kill him when he had the chance."
Gandalf: "Pity? It was pity that stayed Bilbo's hand. Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends. My heart tells me that Gollum has some part to play yet, for good or ill before this is over. The pity of Bilbo may rule the fate of many."
Good point, but to say the least, his "speech" was not well done. I think any of us would have gotten, at best, a "D" on that in high school or college. I read it one time through, but I don't remember him saying anything like, "to use an analogy...." Network engineers talking shop to other engineers can get away with "pipes" or "boxes" or "pop it" (to reboot), etc., but this guy was addressing a different crowd in a different place no?
This says nothing of the fact that his non-analogy went on to explain what happens to something referred to as an "internet" gets clogged up in said "tubes."
Your expected defense in the tide of vitriolic sarcasm in this thread is interesting, but I think it fails. After further thought, I personally still say the guy is not only clueless, but unprofessional....
You're a U.S. senator for Pete's sake. Do a bit of preparation before you flap your yap in front of god and country. I put more work into that before I send an email to 2 people at work....
I have an ant problem in my house this week. I'm finding themin 3 different rooms meandering around. I was going to buy some ant killer after work today -- something in order of the stuff where they walk in it, take it back their hive, and infect the whole place. It appears now all I have to do is shout "4! 12! 37!" and they'll lose count and never get back home anyhow....
We all got bias pal, especially those who claim not to....
Good post, and I try hard to stay clear of any argument concerning the enlightenment and how it was bad for western culture (gimme a break pat robertson).
I dunno how else to make my point which means I'm apparently doing a terrible job at it. I'll give some more drivel however: a little truth is in every heresy, good joke and ideology. Communism/Fascism were all of the above (well, ok, ideologies anyhow). Freud taught us there was no such thing as evil, and then Stalin & Hitler come along and remind us that, oh yes, there indeed is. To babble further: sure, the St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre (sic?) & good ol' Bloody Mary (great drink btw) killed people too in the very name of religion, but I must say, to quote Eddie Izzard, "you killed millions? I say, you must get up very early in the morning...." Hitler & Stalin, them boys killed millions. And, indeed, they were, by nature of ideology, godless. Or, to help you out, they defined what religion & god meant. I mean, holy friggin crap. I just watched recently an hour special on the history channel that was covering the very subject of how Stalin destroyed religion & implanted himself in its place.
I assume nothing, and your points are valid and known.
This does not change the fact that both systems indeed throttled, controlled and demolished the local religious systems under their influence.
To put it less academically: give me a break!
Stalin indeed imprisoned and killed priests and toppled cathedrals to the ground. German theologians who resisted Hitler were at first quieted and later executed.
Did Hilter claim to be a Christian? Yes. Did both goverments prop-up some form of nomenclature to prove some sort of religious status? Yes! But both were enlightment-influenced systems, choked full of the notions propogated, wrongly, out of teachings such as Nietzsche, Voltaire, et al. As one guy put it: "Nazis... they took the enlightment a liiiitle too far...."
If you're telling me the Soviet Union & Nazi Germany were religious-based systems... get tf outta here....
A far better reply than the first one I read. You make good points, but I would bend your point to this: any institution, group, effort, entity or anything ever created by humanity fits the description you provide for religion. Religion, in and of itself, simply represents the human effort to find, engage-with and serve god (God/gods/name-it).
To your point precisely: never have I encountered such politics, back-stabbing and subterfuge as I have in a church, but such things do exist everywhere. I think religion tends to bring out the most judgmental in people and/or fill them with a sense of self-righteous more-so than in other areas of society. Then again, I've seen stubborn scientists belittle and tread on one another too. In the corporate world I work in now, I could write Shakespearean tragedies about the betrayals and selfishness that's rampant. So, human imperfection, and the selfish/self-centered nature of people, is an equal-opportunity kind of thing IMO.
Still, I really encourage any and all to read Lewis "The Abolition of Man" before attempting to make a comment or reply on the subject. It is quite objective and thought-provoking to say the least.
To quote Lewis, "You, sir, are a god-hater and not an atheist. As a former atheist myself, I take offense to your representation of one...." Or something along those lines -- in his letters....
This once again shows the stifling effect that religion can have on science.
I kept reading through the posts until I found it, and I knew I would -- the god-hater's words on the matter.
Religion isn't perfect and neither is science. If, indeed, a religious figure told a great scientist to not study something then that's unfortunate. It doesn't make religion useless, no more than detonating an scientifically discovered atom bomb over a city makes science useless, but pound-for-pound, one could argue that science has been far more effective in providing the means by which humanity can annihilate itself than religion ever has.
Here's one for ya: science & religion are both imperfect. Indeed, science is no slouch itself when it comes to being misused by humanity. Religion can stifle science? True. I concur, and scientifically-based governments have stifled religion. The soviets and Nazi governments both were quite efficient at imprisoning, killing priests & destroying churches. It was unfortunate that governments came to be that both laid foundational claims to science and then also persecuted the religious.
We cannot get rid of either really, nor should we. Science we need and it has vastly benefited the human race, but religion will not go away nor should it. It really cannot you see.
I found it interesting a bit back when it was reported the ice caps were diminishing on Mars due to its own "global warming." When a scientific issue becomes politically charged it is the most vulnerable to misconstrued notions. Perhaps scientists should leave politics to politians (which they mostly do) and, indeed, politicians should leave science where it belongs too. There are plenty of other reasons to want to end the usage of fossil fuels without mentioning global warming. Mr. Gore, please stick to what's sure and not what's "the buzz"....
I do disagree. Computer security is three things and only three things in concept: Confidentiality, Integrity and Availability. True, different entities focus on different aspects, but all entities MUST apply all three. E.g., the Army emphasizes confidentiality over the other two, but that doesn't mean it could care less if the data has no integrity (is wrong) or that is not available (otherwise, what good is it?).
All three go together or not at all. A bank has to keep what should be private, private. It must make sure the data is accurate and then that it can be gotten to by employees and customers. If I could get to my bank account online just fine, and it was accurate, but the whole world could see it would I care? Yes.
Mind you, I know you didn't say availability is ALL a bank cares about, so I want to be clear about this. IMO, all three go hand-in-hand, the same emphasis, especially for a bank, or not at all....
Every year, US-Cert produces huge fireworks in the security trade press with their annual summary of misinformation about security flaws. The idiots in the press repeat the lie verbatim and the lie becomes real. What is the lie? That Unix/Linux is less secure than Windows. Granted, only the stupidest dolts in the universe -- and the trade press -- are going to buy that crap, but they put it out there anyway.
I got to that point in the article and remembered the red ink on a paper I wrote in grad school, wherein the professor said, "too pejorative to be taken as an objective analysis of the topic."
In all things academic or reporting, if you do not really have it, then at least fake objectivity....
Back in the day we installed windows and got keys off dejanews and it worked and we were happy!!! But it crashed, and we were still happy!!! Now, well, it still crashes and you can't just get keys anymore and it phones home and stuff... ok, ok, it sucks now and was better back then, but were still happy!!!
A web in my shower eh? Once a month, some perv could get happy watching me I guess -- if he's into out-of-shape. Better use motion-detection too. Otherwise, lots of nothing week after week....
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and are more in need of stimulation from new things.
So that's why she left me and the kids for that new guy. And to think, she blamed it on my need for new gadgets....
Concur. Anyone who has been forced (and hopefully few have volunteered) to administer lotes shudders at the thought of it. It was the worst adminning experience I've ever had....
Fair enough I suppose. Let he who hath no sin cast the first stone and all that....
In the end, we judge others and actually judge ourselves. The former CEO of Enron was, understandably, a modern type of monster. You're hard-pressed to find much good to say about him other than, "he was human." But so is every death row inmate.
I find the older I get, the more careful I am in judging simply because I've been through a certain amount of crap and I also realize that, as my southern grandfather used to put it, "you gotta walk that lonesome valley.... You gotta walk it by yourself."
Lay emerged on the world scene like the rest of us, and like the rest of us he struggled to climb to the top. Along the way, as most of us do, he compromised. A time came when he compromised big, and then he kept on compromising until that little voice we all have simply wasn't there anymore. He had to know he was destroying lives as he built his personal pile.
I'm reminded of what the news paper tycoon said to the young Orson Wells as his life was ending in public shame, indebtedness and legal turmoil: "my fight with the world is ending. Yours is just beginning."
While the vitriol makes perfect sense right now, we just gotta be careful. We, too, will screw up either in a big or small way in this world. Hopefully, not that big. Still, the man is dead.
Frodo: "It's a pity Bilbo didn't kill him when he had the chance."
Gandalf: "Pity? It was pity that stayed Bilbo's hand. Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends. My heart tells me that Gollum has some part to play yet, for good or ill before this is over. The pity of Bilbo may rule the fate of many."
Let's have a smidgen of pity boys....
/. editor is going to clog the tubes with so many submissions at once....
I have to say this to that senator btw: "you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means...."
Oh he's in the ballpark alright. Problem is, he brought a hockey stick....
Good point, but to say the least, his "speech" was not well done. I think any of us would have gotten, at best, a "D" on that in high school or college. I read it one time through, but I don't remember him saying anything like, "to use an analogy...." Network engineers talking shop to other engineers can get away with "pipes" or "boxes" or "pop it" (to reboot), etc., but this guy was addressing a different crowd in a different place no?
This says nothing of the fact that his non-analogy went on to explain what happens to something referred to as an "internet" gets clogged up in said "tubes."
Your expected defense in the tide of vitriolic sarcasm in this thread is interesting, but I think it fails. After further thought, I personally still say the guy is not only clueless, but unprofessional....
You're a U.S. senator for Pete's sake. Do a bit of preparation before you flap your yap in front of god and country. I put more work into that before I send an email to 2 people at work....
I have an ant problem in my house this week. I'm finding themin 3 different rooms meandering around. I was going to buy some ant killer after work today -- something in order of the stuff where they walk in it, take it back their hive, and infect the whole place. It appears now all I have to do is shout "4! 12! 37!" and they'll lose count and never get back home anyhow....
We all got bias pal, especially those who claim not to....
Good post, and I try hard to stay clear of any argument concerning the enlightenment and how it was bad for western culture (gimme a break pat robertson).
I dunno how else to make my point which means I'm apparently doing a terrible job at it. I'll give some more drivel however: a little truth is in every heresy, good joke and ideology. Communism/Fascism were all of the above (well, ok, ideologies anyhow). Freud taught us there was no such thing as evil, and then Stalin & Hitler come along and remind us that, oh yes, there indeed is. To babble further: sure, the St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre (sic?) & good ol' Bloody Mary (great drink btw) killed people too in the very name of religion, but I must say, to quote Eddie Izzard, "you killed millions? I say, you must get up very early in the morning...." Hitler & Stalin, them boys killed millions. And, indeed, they were, by nature of ideology, godless. Or, to help you out, they defined what religion & god meant. I mean, holy friggin crap. I just watched recently an hour special on the history channel that was covering the very subject of how Stalin destroyed religion & implanted himself in its place.
What a waste of time this is for me right now....
Good point. However, motive -- or, perhaps, ill-motive -- is a human issue and not a property of either science or god.
Getting humanity in touch with its creator is as benign as the means by which one splits an atom....
If I follow you....
I assume nothing, and your points are valid and known.
... they took the enlightment a liiiitle too far...."
... get tf outta here....
This does not change the fact that both systems indeed throttled, controlled and demolished the local religious systems under their influence.
To put it less academically: give me a break!
Stalin indeed imprisoned and killed priests and toppled cathedrals to the ground. German theologians who resisted Hitler were at first quieted and later executed.
Did Hilter claim to be a Christian? Yes. Did both goverments prop-up some form of nomenclature to prove some sort of religious status? Yes! But both were enlightment-influenced systems, choked full of the notions propogated, wrongly, out of teachings such as Nietzsche, Voltaire, et al. As one guy put it: "Nazis
If you're telling me the Soviet Union & Nazi Germany were religious-based systems
A far better reply than the first one I read. You make good points, but I would bend your point to this: any institution, group, effort, entity or anything ever created by humanity fits the description you provide for religion. Religion, in and of itself, simply represents the human effort to find, engage-with and serve god (God/gods/name-it).
To your point precisely: never have I encountered such politics, back-stabbing and subterfuge as I have in a church, but such things do exist everywhere. I think religion tends to bring out the most judgmental in people and/or fill them with a sense of self-righteous more-so than in other areas of society. Then again, I've seen stubborn scientists belittle and tread on one another too. In the corporate world I work in now, I could write Shakespearean tragedies about the betrayals and selfishness that's rampant. So, human imperfection, and the selfish/self-centered nature of people, is an equal-opportunity kind of thing IMO.
Still, I really encourage any and all to read Lewis "The Abolition of Man" before attempting to make a comment or reply on the subject. It is quite objective and thought-provoking to say the least.
To quote Lewis, "You, sir, are a god-hater and not an atheist. As a former atheist myself, I take offense to your representation of one...." Or something along those lines -- in his letters....
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This once again shows the stifling effect that religion can have on science.
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I kept reading through the posts until I found it, and I knew I would -- the god-hater's words on the matter.
Religion isn't perfect and neither is science. If, indeed, a religious figure told a great scientist to not study something then that's unfortunate. It doesn't make religion useless, no more than detonating an scientifically discovered atom bomb over a city makes science useless, but pound-for-pound, one could argue that science has been far more effective in providing the means by which humanity can annihilate itself than religion ever has.
Here's one for ya: science & religion are both imperfect. Indeed, science is no slouch itself when it comes to being misused by humanity. Religion can stifle science? True. I concur, and scientifically-based governments have stifled religion. The soviets and Nazi governments both were quite efficient at imprisoning, killing priests & destroying churches. It was unfortunate that governments came to be that both laid foundational claims to science and then also persecuted the religious.
We cannot get rid of either really, nor should we. Science we need and it has vastly benefited the human race, but religion will not go away nor should it. It really cannot you see.
I'll digress here and point to my blog post on the subject: http://fatkiddown.blogspot.com/2005/08/death-of-t
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I found it interesting a bit back when it was reported the ice caps were diminishing on Mars due to its own "global warming." When a scientific issue becomes politically charged it is the most vulnerable to misconstrued notions. Perhaps scientists should leave politics to politians (which they mostly do) and, indeed, politicians should leave science where it belongs too. There are plenty of other reasons to want to end the usage of fossil fuels without mentioning global warming. Mr. Gore, please stick to what's sure and not what's "the buzz"....
file-trading is flat.
I actually think of it more as a rectangular prism....
It's not ignorance, its "i think i can get away with it."
...create that pang of guilt in me for getting away with /. all this time....
Now why did you just do that?
Or maybe it was someone trying to inform you of your wife's affair....
I do disagree. Computer security is three things and only three things in concept: Confidentiality, Integrity and Availability. True, different entities focus on different aspects, but all entities MUST apply all three. E.g., the Army emphasizes confidentiality over the other two, but that doesn't mean it could care less if the data has no integrity (is wrong) or that is not available (otherwise, what good is it?).
All three go together or not at all. A bank has to keep what should be private, private. It must make sure the data is accurate and then that it can be gotten to by employees and customers. If I could get to my bank account online just fine, and it was accurate, but the whole world could see it would I care? Yes.
Mind you, I know you didn't say availability is ALL a bank cares about, so I want to be clear about this. IMO, all three go hand-in-hand, the same emphasis, especially for a bank, or not at all....
Every year, US-Cert produces huge fireworks in the security trade press with their annual summary of misinformation about security flaws. The idiots in the press repeat the lie verbatim and the lie becomes real. What is the lie? That Unix/Linux is less secure than Windows. Granted, only the stupidest dolts in the universe -- and the trade press -- are going to buy that crap, but they put it out there anyway.
I got to that point in the article and remembered the red ink on a paper I wrote in grad school, wherein the professor said, "too pejorative to be taken as an objective analysis of the topic."
In all things academic or reporting, if you do not really have it, then at least fake objectivity....
Back in the day we installed windows and got keys off dejanews and it worked and we were happy!!! But it crashed, and we were still happy!!! Now, well, it still crashes and you can't just get keys anymore and it phones home and stuff ... ok, ok, it sucks now and was better back then, but were still happy!!!
A web in my shower eh? Once a month, some perv could get happy watching me I guess -- if he's into out-of-shape. Better use motion-detection too. Otherwise, lots of nothing week after week....
And why did you change the date on your computer? And don't call me Jerry....
realise ...deside
British English always throws me for a loop....
Quicken mysteriously stopped working.
Obviously, xp bonked it on the head before checking in with the Palantiri....
and is open and extensible....
You just said, "extensible." I can't even look at you right now....