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RIAA Claims P2P Has Been Contained
Magorak writes "USA Today is reporting the RIAA now claims that the issues surrounding P2P and piracy have been contained and are no longer as big an issue as they once were. From the article; 'The problem has not been eliminated,' says association CEO Mitch Bainwol. 'But we believe digital downloads have emerged into a growing, thriving business, and file-trading is flat.'"
Looks like Grandma and her illegal downloads of the "Happy Birthday" song can rest easy once again.
Mission accomplished!
We won!
I tried hard to come up with a serious comment to this article, I really did. But every time I started writing one, I starting giggling. The RIAA is just too much. So, then, let me be the first to say:
BAHAHAHAHAHAAH
-Ryan
AUWYHSTOT (Acronyms are Useless When You Have to Spell Them Out Too)
So you're going to stop sueing college kids?
http://ablegray.com
I can still get on Gnutella and find almost every song that exists. What a bunch of nonsense. I believe they are just saying this so they can save face in the midst of their defeat.
If you cannot win, claim victory.
Pirate 1: Arrr! The RIAA ship has been swashbuckled! Pirate 2: Ayye! The fools even think they sunk us! ARRR!
Isn't that like a /.er's parent saying "My child doesn't spend that much time on the computer"?
file-trading is flat.
I actually think of it more as a rectangular prism....
"All great things are simple & expressed in a single word: freedom, justice, honor, duty, mercy, hope." --Churchill
Well that just takes all the fun out of it, now doesn't it?
Is Back Online!
....as I didn't just download 12 albums whilst sharing another 500.
Was the guy who made this press release doing so on the deck of a ship with a big "Mission accomplished" sign behind him?
Any chance there?
I'm a fiscal conservative, it's a pity we don't have a political party anymore
What would you do?
Seriously...
Rain dances have begun working, since water has started to fall from the sky.
My Computer Music Tutorial Videos
Just askin'. After all, if we can pretend that "Peace with honor" isn't the same as "I give up", why can't the RIAA stick their fingers in their ears and sing "LA-LA-LA-LA-LA - I can't hear you"?
Would appear that the writer of the story does what writers do best, not research facts. Appears that they're still using the same old sorry BS of CD sales dropped 30% in whatever year it was. When in fact, what has been shown is that it was singles that dropped ( you know, the things you can't find any more, because people aren't willing to pay 5 dollars for 1 song on a CD ), during that year CD sales actually increased.
Overall the article is rather blah, I'm sort of surprised that they didn't throw in there something about the lose of some umpteen billion dollars that they would have made if it weren't for illegal file sharing...the good myth of each download is a lost sale.
P2P downloading hasn't stopped and we can't stop it so we're going to just say it's contained, ignore it, and hope the media can snow the public.
"Bah!" - Dogbert
We as a society are safe from those filesharing twelve year olds and grandmas. Thank-you RIAA!!
Take the cheese to sickbay, the doctor should see it as soon as possible - B'Elanna Torres, "Learning Curve"
A story about Microsoft calling a truce with the GPL followed by the RIAA saying P2P is not a problem.
/. has been hacked and someone is posting bogus stories.
It's not April 1st.
Hmmm... Only logical explanation is that
--Keith
I know my illegal file-trading is flat... a flat 5 gigs a day or so...
Digital downloads may be growing but the rife-with-piracy analogue download sector TOWERS over it! What cunning monkeys the RIAA is, with their words!
p2p is certainly dying. theres no argument there, half the files you download are corrupt or mislabeled.
damn the RIAA.
anyone remember when Led Zepplin and Pink Floyd decided to create their own recording studios/companies because the music industry tried to take all of the money they earned?
It's true - because everyone who is going to do P2P download is now doing it.
So he is right; P2P growth is flat - in exactly the same way TV purchase growth is flat.
Note any shortage of TVs around the first world? alas not...
..Im seeding the latest Album of Blink 182, and Red Hot Chilli Peppers. Also I just got Advent Children if anyone wants it.
The greatest revenge in life is massive success.
If file trading is measured in terms of ease of use, then the number of available outlets has dropped. Things like Napster and the WinMX utility used to make file swapping incredibly easy even for people who weren't computer savvy. Now it takes a little work to get what you want. Plus, the major public file sharing networks are full of incomplete files, viruses and other garbage that most people don't want to deal with. In that way, people are either turning to harder-to-use file sharing techniques or giving up and getting a "real" copy of the media from a service that you know is good.
Your average user is using LimeWare and used to typing words into a search box. Doing this these days will usually yield you one or two real copies, and hundreds of viruse files or trojans.
... if you ask me, I think they just realized they can't fight piracy, so they gave up... but never, ever, EVER admitting that to the general public. Maybe now they can focus on TRULY helping the artists they claim to be supporting...
Isn't this what people have been saying all along? If you offer it online for a reasonable price, people will buy it instead of illegally downloading it.
They've successfully removed their heads from their collective asses. Now lets see if they'll listen when we say we don't want DRM.
I'm sorry, last time I checked, piracy was just as rampant as ever. It's many times easier than it was years ago, there much more stuff available than there was years ago.
Perhaps, just maybe, ever so slightly, no matter how implausible, the RIAA has learnt some lessons about starting a losing war? Every time they shut something down, something else comes up in its place. They have sued thousands of people to no effect. And it wasn't the RIAA that started online distribution of music, it was companies like Apple that did with the RIAA whining and complaining all the way to the bank.
So, just maybe, the RIAA has finally realized that going up against a solid steel wall will get you no where. It's a scary prospect I'm sure, but I for one hope its the case, because it might mean an end to their lobbying of world governments, their time wasting law suits, and their alienation of music lovers.
I swear, I can just almost see the sun poking through the clouds.
I'm god, but it's a bit of a drag really...
It's just like the U.S. strategy in Iraq.
1. Imagine a problem where none exists
2. "Solve" the problem by ruining people's lives
3. At some point, arbitrarily declare victory and say you can go home now
4. Meanwhile nine million people want you dead because of your actions in steps 1-3, but you just kind of ignore that part.
Apparently your grammar has been "contained" as well.
Please, for the good of Humanity, vote Obama.
...is probably laughing at this right now, wherever he is in the afterlife! The RIAA have turned into Wonko the Sane. I hope they're happy outside the asylum!
Game dev and music blog
We are proud to announce that we managed to contain this p2p issue within our planet.
April 5, 2003
_ our_opinion/baghdad_bob.htm
"Nobody downloaded here. Those P2P losers, I think their repeated frequent lies are bringing them down very rapidly.... The business of sellings CDs is secure, is safe."
April 5, 2003
"They are not near our business model. Don't believe them.... They said they downloaded with... thousands of copies in the middle of our market demographic. They claim that they - I tell you, I... that this speech is too far from the reality. It is a part of this sickness of their plan. There is no an... - no any existence to the downloaders or for the downloaders in our business model at all."
April 6, 2003
"Whenever we attack, they retreat. When we pound them with fake copies and bogus servers, they retreat even deeper. But when we stopped poisoning their networks, they downloaded even more copies for propaganda purposes."
April 7, 2003
"The P2Pers are not there. They're not in our business model. There are no downloaders there. Never. They're not at all."
April 7, 2003
"The Pirate Bay learned a lesson last night they will never forget. We shut them down and will continue to shut them down."
April 7, 2003
"There is no presence of downloaders in our business model."
thanks to: http://www.cfif.org/htdocs/freedomline/current/in
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
"Mission Accomplished", anyone?
It appears that the cost of finding, suing and obtaining judgments has shown some reduction in profit margin. Cost probably goes up exponentially trying to go after fewer and fewer pirates especially when the remaining few are savvier.
What the RIAA is saying is that they have instilled enough fear in the general populace to keep trading files being a household activity.
This is great! Now that music sales will still be in the crapper, users will claim victory. Of course the RIAA could artificially inflate record sales but that could get into a grey area that the Securities and Exchange Commission might be interested to look into.
Either way, the RIAA is phucked.
Digital downloads have emerged into a growing, thriving business despite your lot's best efforts to screw it all up.
Obliteracy: Words with explosions
You know what? Maybe they have won, if student pirating has been curbed to the extent that they want. And if more digital downloads are legal now than before, then that's great. It probably means that more companies are getting a clue about how to take advantage of the business model, but we'll let the RIAA save face.
All we want them to do is quit trying to stomp out every conceivable method of information transfer in the name of stopping piracy, and go back to their executive boardrooms and golf courses.
404555974007725459910684486621289147856453481154 in hex is "You sank my Battleship?"
[GPG key in journal]
I hope this is in response to Rosen's recent blog post and that they are acknowledging that she is right in at least some aspects. The recent post can be found here. As one other poster as already stated, perhaps they will stop suing their customers now?
So, the RIAA is saying that they have successfully crushed independant artists everywhere, with frivolous lawsuits?
That's all this was about...crushing indy artists, and stopping new technology so they keep their monopoly.
It's time for another Tim Mcveigh.
Andy Out!
Just... where have I heard that before...
Well, if you can't win, just say you won and rely on your opponent to not contradict you.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Pirate music just in spite?
Does this mean that their lawsuit campaign is now over? That's when I'll actually believe a statement like theirs above.
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
..... one of Apple's old Reality Distortion Field genrators.
This is my opinion. To make sure you don't steal it, it's covered by the DMCA.
Suuure. They have "contained" P2P piracy so well, that maybe they should open the doors to their offices more often.
Whether or not what he declares is true (proliferation of P2P sites like mininova, isohunt, piratebay), if they see it that way, then that means Joe Six Pack, Grandma and little 12 year old Josie down the street can rest easy.
Will copyright infringement every die out? Likely not. Will P2P continue, legit or not? Of course. If the RIAA is finally making money off of downloads, enough to have them decide to discontinue their draconian efforts of threatening, suing and *ahem* breaking the law by compromising PC's, then hey I'm all for this! Congrats on meeting up with the rest of the world in the year 2006.
how we first hear the Hillary Rosen isn't "fond" (my word) of the lawsuits. Now the RIAA has claimed P2P id flat. Hurumph.
"Mission Accomplished"
Yeah, as soon as they stop downloading and listening to inane anime music.
First, MS declares a truce with Open Source.
Then, the RIAA stops chasing P2P downloaders.
Next, Hell freezes over.
What a day!
... the only problem (for them) is that I've picked up swapping portable hard drives full of music at a time with friends, co-workers, etc.. Now, instead of getting my music at only a couple thousand megabits per second I'm getting them by the hundreds of gigabytes! It's too bad they've chased us toward something that they really can't trace or bait. Face to Face is a bit more secure than Peer to Peer, and I actually prefer it this way.
There are as many file traders as ever, and they're trading more files than ever, but most of the indie file trading has leveled off.
It's the indies that require them to be against file trading. If they could control P2P like they do radio, they would have embraced the original Napster.
BTW, these guys and these guys want you to trade their files. And buy their CDs. But there's little chance you'll buy the CDs if you haven't heard of the bands, is there?
-mcgrew (non-MRC="miners", no coal here dudes)
I looked out the window...
nope, no airborne swine.
Whoops, sorry, I have to go to the library to RIP CDs with my laptop before it closes...
Maybe I have to bust out the C++ and make one. Basically, instead of hitting a central server, you dial up the IP list of people you were connected to the last couple times until you get a successful online signal, then that connection feeds you all the rest of the connections. Also, each one should use a unique port with its connection so port blocking can't do anything. There's no reason Gnutella should be able to be shut down unless you go to everyone's house and rip it out of their machine.
God spoke to me.
File sharing is flat along with the rest of the recording industry. Maybe because most of the music and movies they are pushing are repetitive and tiresome? Cookie cutter hip-hop, American Idol pseudo Vegas acts and movie takeoffs of TV shows (or worse, pointless remakes i.e. The Omen) are the problem. If I were them I'd be very worried that people aren't even willing to take your product for free.
It is by the juice of the coffee bean that thoughts acquire speed, the teeth acquire stains. The stains become a warning
RIAA thinks P2P has been contained... MS calls for truth wiht Open Source... WTF? Did I just slip in into some parallel universe? Am I going to work to find a big fat bonus? Will my X wife forfeit my child support payments? Will Comcast charge $1 a year for my internet access? What a friggin' day!
Does this mean the music industry will stop shitting on consumers? Will they lower prices, publish less crap and more good music, eliminate draconian DRM, reinstate fair use, and stop whining all the time?
/resumes p2p downloading
Yeah, I didn't think so either.
...because "LA-LA-LA-LA-LA - I can't hear you" is protected under copyright.
Holy shit... an electronic download model can work, and worse, this comming from the RIAA!! At least they've pulled their head out of their collective ass and started to try for a better bussiness model. Despite they're war on terrorism.. i mean "piracy".. the RIAA has shut up recently. the MPAA can still suck a fart out of my ass. Take a hint, digital downloads that the consumer will "own" wholy and truly are what people want. Long gone are the days of the fat cat cartels; their bussiness model is failing and they're too scared to jump ship and make cash.
He whom you called four-eyes yesterday, you call Sir tomorrow.
First Microsoft embraces Open source, now the RIAA feels comfortable with P2P networks, and thinks that they have the issue under control..
The axis of evil is definitely plotting something big..
Will program for karma.
P2P sharing soared 35,000% today as students, quote "Finally had those pigs off their back" end quote. Film at 11.
I never spellcheck and I freely admit it. Save your karma for more worthwhile "lol erorrs" replies
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Lawyers, MBA's, RIAA? A jedi fears not these things!
great albums. I just finished "acquiring" them myself.
--Nick
And I most definitely haven't downloaded over 10 GB of files on bittorrent this month alone.
Some prankster let free all the dangerous animals on a zoo. The public was in panic, so the zoo chief gathered all the people inside the lion's cage. Then they locked it from inside.
"We're safe! The animals are contained!"
Yeah, well, they thought Jack Bauer was dead, too.
...welcome our oblivious overlords.
That number is huge but hasn't grown substantially, while video piracy has. "The music industry isn't seeing double-digit growth in piracy anymore, but Hollywood is," Garland says.
So in other words, they're handing over the job of showering their customers with lawsuits to the MPAA. What's that, a relay race? Share the bad press for stomping on people's rights so nobody gets hurt too much?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Of course they've won. They've got the "get rid of allofmp3.com" as one of the requirements for Russia to join the WTO, and they've got Sweden raiding (apparently against Swedish law) ThePirateBay just because the U.S. asked! Seriously, this isn't about P2P. This is about controlling distribution channels. You don't go after BitTorrent because you people are using it to pirate your copyrighted material. You go after the people distributing the copies. (Just like you don't go after Ford because people use cars to move drugs around the country. On the other hand, if you are a cartel of taxi drivers, removing private cars from the road is a great way to guaranteed revenues.) They only way I'll believe this is the end of it is if I see sales figures for RIAA members dropping drastically (and then they'd just blame pirates...).
I'd be more inclined to believe that the increasing availability of legal and convenient download options like iTunes and others have made more of an impact than fierce enforcement by the RIAA.
If a dog barks at a garbage truck and the garbage truck goes away eventually, does the mean the dog made the truck go away? The dog sure thinks so!
Shades of Grayden
So this means they won't have to bother pushing for all that new DRM right?!? Right??
Now that every computer on earth is running a p2p client at 100% network capacity, it's difficult for it to grow any more.
I guess the RIAA is happy with the fact that file sharing is down. It must be all that VOiP traffic(With higher priority routing) thats making that fact a reality. With no priority schemes in simple File transfer traffic most of these networks will be slow and users may be discouraged to get their songs elsewhere. Interesting enough is that fact that while electronic delivery of songs has become a reality, no one seems to complain or ask about the fidelity of the sound.
[I have karma to burn]
First go into a conflict under false pretences. Next go after innocent people without the intend to go to trial. Then halfway declare you have won, while everybody knows that you are (still) lying.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
Clearly some people have not [downloaded and] watched enough movies to know better than to be this foolhardy.
RIAA Claims P2P Has Been Contained
That's they said about the Aliens too...
Optimist: The thumb drive is half empty! Pessimist: The thumb drive is half full...
What about IRC? xdcc or fservs are just too easy to use.
why don't people use that? that way, you can use proxies, another thing which isn't that difficult to use.
From "Comparing Sales" table in TA:
it figures that "album" sales are up to 1%. Not good enough.
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Thats not the case, my harddrive is just full. Once I upgrade downloading will surge again.
Personally, I'd look at this announcement (had I actually RTFA - this is /. after all), I'd be quite wary of stuff like this. Rosen's comments, while interesting both for their their content and possible motive, do not represent the RIAA anymore. Who's to say that six months from now, they don't release the hounds on their customers again?
I'll create an amusing sig when I have something meaningful to post.
Everyone now has all the music downloaded they could ever want to listen to :)
Dslreports just linked the story to a top 100 list (or something) from piratebay. I had no idea. Mostly they were huge compilations. 500M - 2G at a pop times 100 files times hundreds(or more) of downloads sounds like ALOT of music to me just from piratebay. Interesting much of it was old including a couple 60's top 100 files.
Yes you are completely correct RIAA. Now leave us alone.
Well of course if theres any change in online piracy it MUST of course be because of the RIAA's compaign and can't have anything else to do with .. well .. anything else! ... So if everything's alright now ... can we just cease and desist with the RIAA entirely then?
.... encircle .... oh gee .... maybe i'd better call my lawyer now...
Is there something going on here with context sensitive capchas
Quit while you're behind.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, it doesn't go away." - Philip K. Dick
He's just saying what we've all been thinking for years. Even back during the first incarnation of Napster I was saying things like, "yea sure you could get free on Napster, but if its a band I like and music I enjoy I will buy it" and "being able to download songs online instantly is so much better than going to the music store, I would pay money for this!"
Way to back track RIAA! What happened to piracy and iTunes stealing your profits? Oh, you mean piracy isn't a threat and iTunes does good business? Well I could have told you that years ago and saved you so much money on legal fees!
But still I agree with the sentiment that it isn't like they could do anything about digital music sales or piracy to begin with and are just admitting defeat at this point by saying, "well, it wasn't such a big deal after all, let's just pretend we didn't try to sue 12 year olds to stop it"
I am just waiting for the head of the RIAA to be flown out to a battleship on a fighter jet so he can stand under a huge banner reading "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!"
"But this one goes to 11!"
They mean that since everyone in the world is downloading, then "file sharing is flat" and no more users can start trading. Rubes.
Whether or not there is some sort of god, I'm not supposed to say/god is a word and the argument ends there-Smog
And God knows they've been aching to end their litigious ways. How it pained them to go to court, for the good of their bottom line! My heart bleeds for them.
But what happy days have come to stay! No more in thrall to the IP'd gentry, the RIAA can return to their first love: recording.
Q: What did the comedian say to the crowd?
A: If I knew, this joke would be funny.
Everyone SHUT THE HELL UP and let them believe it is contained. SHHHHH. Seriously.
Cheers.
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In a related story, ex Iraqi Minister of Information Muhammen Saeed al-Sahaf has signed a three year deal with the RIAA to join their team as lead PR and spin technician.
That's an optimistic view from an industry that saw its numbers slide to near oblivion after the launch of the original Napster in 1999. CD sales fell as much as 30%
Aw crap. Did I wake up in an alternate universe again?
Or is USAToday just making stuff up now?
Modern copyright is theft of culture from everyone and it retards the progress of the useful arts and sciences.
Of course P2P isn't as popular as it once was. Torrents are the new thing for illegal downloads. Now if you'll excuse me, I have another season of Lost to start downloading.
Tluin natha Linux xxizzuss uriu olt bwael mon'tun.
So does this mean the RIAA can no longer use file sharing as an excuse for lower revenues?
But I'm glad they've completely glossed over the fact that more music gets traded over USENET than over P2P networks. P2P is more efficient for a one on one transfer, but USENET allows one person to send content to millions with a single transaction. Sure, I may have to request a certain song or album now and again, but mostly I'm happy to take what's offered and offer up what I have.
Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas...
Dear God, you heard my prayer twice today, I'm really thankful for that. But, if I may formulate a third one, could you convince the U.S. House that net neutrality really matters ? That would be really cool. Thanks.
Perhaps part of the issue *really* is, people have learned how to hack the DRM on the pay music download services, and they'd now prefer to attack the problem from that angle than simply trying to trade music via p2p services?
www.soundtaxi.info for example, lets one theoretically get quite a bit of commercial music during a free 7 day trial of Yahoo music or Napster.....
This story doesn't seem to have much to do with the Pirate Bay going up 3 days or so after it was shut down.
Actually, when I think hard, I can't think of any evolutions in the P2P field that connect to this version of RIAA's reality.
Not that I care really. They can fight P2P vigorously, and they can claim it's contained. Regardless what, nothing at all will change.
Beware: In C++, your friends can see your privates!
It simply means they are going to push for laws that help contain it further.
Making downloading a song a death penalty, etc...
silently getting laws passed is a better tectic that does not give them a public black eye like suing grandmothers.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
The RIAA has definitely figured out the solution to preventing people from trading bootleg music over peer to peer, and it's a very simple one - they stopped making music people want. That's why sales have been plummetting for half a decade, and it wouldn't surprise me if the peer to peer trend curve matched the sales curve almost identically.
To make laws that man cannot, and will not obey, serves to bring all law into contempt.
--E.C. Stanton
What happened to the Iraqi Information minister, I guess he changed his name to Mitch and works for the RIAA. It would have been a shame to lay down such skill in spinning the truth, although i guess he could always have worked for Fox...
They know it can't be contained. While blank CDRs are on the market, people will want to fill them with things etc.
The best he RIAA can do is say "problem solved" and move along. It's better for them to make up a bunch of crap and get out of there than to explain to the board members that they can't solve it. Think about it, that's better than admiting defeat.
Why UNIX?
Mission Accomplished
...when I made it on Techdirt this morning. Oh well, great minds think alike (so what's our excuse).
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They can keep getting royalties from those $1 songs and $18 CDs, and I'll keep NOT buying them.
I think you can actually download the speech illegaly off bittorrent
if you can't really achieve victory, just change the goalposts to something easier and calim you won.
I used to have a Project Manager who did that for his trainwreck projects. His projects were *always* successful. Unfinished requirements became "future enhancements". Non-working projects became "proof of concepts". Half-baked projects became "prototypes".
The wonderful thing about project schedules and requirements is nobody saves the previous version.
Nobody has ever underestimated the gullibility of upper-managers.
And nobody has ever underestimated the gullibility of people who read industry press releases.
Everyone seems to be making comments like this is some mistake or tactic by the RIAA and that piracy is still going to destroy them.
But from the sounds of it they're just starting to accept what we have been saying all along. That the industry CAN coexist with a certain level of piracy and the best way to combat piracy is with good music downloading services.
Hopefully this is a signal that they're going to start scaling pack their allout war on piracy and any technology that has the potential to enable piracy.
I stole this Sig
P2P filesharing has been contained — on the internet and other networks.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
"Their infidels are committing suicide by the hundreds on the gates of Baghdad! Be assured, Baghdad is safe, protected!"
"We have retaken the airport. There are NO Americans there. I will take you there and show you. IN ONE HOUR!"
"We defeated them yesterday!"
What's purple and commutes? An Abelian grape.
Mission Accomplished!
Sound familiar?
...everybody now has all the music they want, and new shares are devoted to new music. And since most new music sucks, there's little growth.
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TMG - Typical Movie General
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TMS: As of an hour ago, the virus has infected every living thing on Earth.
TMG: But it hasn't spread since then?
TMS: Well, no, but--
TMG: Then it's been contained! Victory is ours!
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Gees... Microsoft wants to partner with OSS? The RIAA no longer cares about P2P? What alternate universe did I wake up in this AM!!!
Now that P2P is officially not a problem for the RIAA, I'm sure we'll see the RIAA members' profits soar by those quintillions of dollars they claimed to have been losing yearly to P2P "theft" all along, right?
The RIAA is made up of for-profit corporations, and those companies' PR departments will naturally try to frame reality into the light most beneficial to their shareholders. I get that. But when the RIAA tries to use boldfaced lies to shape public policy, that's a problem.
>> P2P and piracy have been contained
This claim can't have any solid basis in reality at all.
Even if the music industry beleives there is less piracy the RIAA had nothing to do with it (unless they published the figures). Any dectreace in piracy is down to online services like Itunes making music easily available.
>> file-trading is flat
Yeah I can only get so much bandwidth from my cable modem before it is solidly maxed out.
somebody isnt listening. SHHHHHH. Zip it. Silencio por favor.
Cheers.
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The main security feature of this would be a unique ID on each file, so if one did show up on Gnutella, Bittorrent or whatever, you know who to sue.
So please stop suing people and bribing politicians . K. thx .
P2P trading has been contained, we can all hope to see "lawmakers" and "law enforcement" move their focus away from criminalizing and prosecuting 13 year old kids and grannies, and move on to working on more important things?
What numbers are USA Today using when they say Napster caused industry numbers(?) to "slide to near oblivion after the launch of the original Napster in 1999. CD sales fell as much as 30%, and the RIAA pressed Congress and the courts for relief against what it said was rampant piracy."
And here I thought it was because mainstream music sucked. CDs I bought were pretty much indy and came from record companies that were not members of the RIAA. Or if I bought a CD, it was because I tried it out first via download. And then there's the fact that Napster made available music that was absolutely unavailable elsewhere - out of print, bootleg, obscurities, live performances, etc. I wonder if those are counted as 'lost' sales.
Arr. Screw 'em - Canadian artists are already doing away with their version of the RIAA. They RIAA is doomed!
"Look, Smithers! I'm Davy Crockett!"
1. Declare victory 2. Let the public assume you've stopped your ridiculous charges 3. The public begins P2P downloads again 4. Profit!!! ...or begin arrests again.
> If you cannot win, claim victory.
So that's why the RIAA execs ordered a giant "Mission Accomplished!" banner?
I'm going to download Kool and the Gang's Celebration and have a "p2p is dead" party.
All that comes to mind is this quote i took from some /. post i read last week. I wish i could remember where i got it, but props to whoever it was.
"what happens when all the torrent sites are shut down?
Incidentally, when's the last time YOU won a game of "whack-a-mole" with an infinite number of levels?"
hmm...
"I do not fear computers. I fear the lack of them." - Isaac Asimov
AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA, HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE, HOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOH, "COUGH" "WHEEZE"
**KEELS OVER DEAD FROM THE HEART ATTACK BROUGHT ON BY THE NOT-STOP LAUGHING** Seriously, all they have done is make file-sharing less public. DC++, BitTorrent, etc will always be there in some form or another. The more they try to supress it the more it will happen.
I myself am a member of 3 invitation only file-share sites, hubs, etc., each provide me access to over 20 Tb of apps, games, movies, and music.
And let the RIAA read this and kiss my A$$, there is not one damned thing they can do about it.
Talking to Geeks is like eating jello with a chainsaw, interesting, but painful.
It's almost unheard of outside of the Internet.
It's official. Most of you are morons.
Yeah, just around 100% everything seemed to plateau out real nicely... Seriously, once we reached that mark there just doesn't seem to be any further growth. I think we've just about seen the end of p2p, my friends.
"Your superior intellect is no match for our puny weapons!"
And is, furthermore, an excuse for ignoring the evidence.
Wikileaks, no DNS
Now we should send the RIAA to take care of the war on drugs! Drugs will be wiped out! (Yet readily available).
Saving the World: One Drink at a Time
You've made file sharing flat! Don't forget to tell the file sharers.
It's not -1 Flamebait! It's +5 Funny. You just didn't get the joke...
What alternate universe did I wake up in this AM!!!
A kinder, gentler... oh, wait... wrong Bush.
welcome our shitty CD-producing overlords.
Did I miss a meeting?
Anger has its uses. Here, let me show you.
"BitTorrent is the name of a peer-to-peer (P2P) file distribution client application and also of a file sharing protocol, both of which were created by programmer Bram Cohen."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bittorrent
The biggest myth about music piracy is that people were rejecting a legal option for an illegal one. The reason Napster and the like were successful is because digital downloads were only available illegally. Filetrading was the only way to get a copy of that song you wanted right away. People want digital music. They want to hear a song and get it. Once they can do that legally, the majority of people will choose the legal option over the illegal one, even though it's not free. Now if we can just get rid of all the proprietary DRM that has become a bigger plague than any of the piracy, the world will truly be a better place.
No, it's shaped like a banana!
General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
Wikileaks, no DNS
Maybe the RIAA could release a Victory Song album to celebrate, and then we can all download it.
"Welcome to fantasy island Mr. Bainwol"
so basically what i'm reading into this is that they've probably given up on all the frivolous lawsuits and want to make out like they're not running away with their tail between their legs but rather that their here job is done.
That's because when 99.999% of the people are downloading, it's hard to grow that percentage significantly....
The cesspool just got a check and balance.
Of course P2P has slowed down! I already downloaded everything!
Maybe they should call this RIAA's Vietnam...
These are not the files you are looking for.
I was wondering what the former Iraqi Minister of Information was doing these days.
... they are trying to sell to the others an illusion."
All you have to do is updated his quotes and replace Americans with file sharers, Iraq with the internet, and Saddam Hussein with the RIAA.
"They are not in any place. They hold no place in Iraq [the internet]. This is an illusion
"They [illegal mp3s] are not in Baghdad [the internet]. They [file sharers] are not in control of any airport [web server]. I tell you this. It is all a lie. They lie. It is a Hollywood movie. You do not believe them."
"They are nowhere near Baghdad [the internet]. Their allegations are a cover-up for their failure."
"After Iraq [RIAA] aborts the invasion that is being carried out by the American [Piratebay] and British villains [isohunt], the USA [files sharers] will no longer be a superpower. Its deterioration will be rapid. I say to those villains who are meeting in Europe, thinking of launching psychological war and brainwashing: wait. Do not be hasty because your disappointment will be huge. You will reap nothing from this aggressive war, which you launched on Iraq [RIAA], except for disgrace and defeat."
"I am the king of the Romans, and am superior to rules of grammar!"
-Sigismund, Holy Roman Emperor (1368-1437)
So...if we would have used this type of bullshit 3 years ago, we could have claimed the war in Iraq was over, and it would have been?!?!? So, let it be said... THE WAR IN IRAQ IS OVER, WE HAVE WON! Damn...I was really hoping that would work :o)
----- I have bad karma for a reason! -----
What we wish, that we readily believe. -- Demosthenes
Gravity Sucks
Saturate good times, come on! (Let's saturate)
Saturate good times, come on! (Let's saturate)
A download party's goin' on right here
In saturation that lasts throughout the years
So bring your eMule, and your Torrent too
We gonna saturate this market with you
So THAT'S why I can't download anything anymore on any of the P2P services... Whew, I was thinking it was just my internet connection.
They SURE showed those crezzee P2P softwarez. I for one feel completely and utterly owned by the RIAA.
gg RIAA! You sure gave the beat down on that one. No one new is joining P2P services anymore, nosireebob.
The Vichy french government - a Nazi puppet gov of France was in that battle. I'm not sure how hard they "fought" in any of their actions.
..........FULL STOP.
"Microsoft calls for truce with GPL and Linux"? "RIAA claims P2P has been contained"?
I think somebody is having us on.
RIAA, has won over a stalemate over the P2P networks. Based on facts that they alone are privey too? Well I did a bit of fact collecting as well and 75% of people questioned about music sharing had this to say " Piracy is so rampant I mean I have a stero and a tape recorder that works right". So 3 out of 4 people I surveyed do not use P2P networks to Pirate music now. Get with the program. You the 1000's of RIAA members and lobbiest vs the BILLIONS of P2P and avid music buffs. And you claim victory? You are losing and can never in any feasible manner hope to control something that you can't fathom to start with. With that said eat drink be merry and please pass me a couple bags of what ever you are smoking to get this delusion cause I could use a bit of a vacation from the egomanaical sociopaths running most of the government and making these laws that completely go against anything and everything that we want. Heaven forbid the corporate entities listen to the general populace and understand that we do not want your bureacratic bullshit smeared in our faces cause you refuse to accept that what we do is not ordained by your flimsy excuses of control. Threats and coercion do nothing to sway my efforts to do as I please on the internet as was intended. If you really want to fight something of importance go after the rampant spy/malware creators/distrbutors and make an example of them and leave the common person to what few lesiures are left now. When you get that part of worked out then come to me about paying for something to help you combat that front and I will be more then happy to assist you. MPAA follow suit. instead of allowing theatres to charge 10+ a pop for a cut rate half assed movie that you spit out at the rate of 10 a month use reality a minute. 5.00 a pop for any media type would be more then enough to help curb piracy and file shaing. I for one just love to take my family to a movie (5 people) and spend nearly $100 just to get in and get some popcorn. Record co's 50c per song online is reasonable and as soon as you remove the DRM (not that it matters) and charge that price I'm willing to bet that piracy will decline. Winning on this front is not possible for you. Defeat is not something you will admit to so compromise and give us what we have been asking for for nearly 10 years. Digital media downloads are here to stay regardless of what you may think or tell people any bullshit you thrown at us to the contrary is out right lying and with Bush we have enough scandals and lying we can tolerate now. Go to the board room tell them we're SOL and we need to adapt instead of trying to punish everyone you can that you know have neither the means or facility to combat you and get over yourself. HM
Because I worked for him too!
You better watch out, there may be dogs about . .
It's a bagel!
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
...should be: RIAA 0Wn3d!!
-- "Mathematics is music for the mind, and Music is Mathematics for the Soul. - J.S. Bach"
But even though the rest of us have been trying to stuff this idea into their tiny little skulls, they have to declare moral victory so they don't lose face?
Yes, they do.
Their company exists to protect the interests of their member copyright holders against widespread unauthorized copying.
Up to now their members/customers/owners have been interpreting the "internet piracy" as lost sales - or at least more sales lost than sales gained by free advertising, etc. - and they didn't have a download business model.
In this atmosphere, if they were to declare surrender, their members/customers/owners would just let them die - or replace their execs with new ones who would attempt to carry on the fight.
But now "this stuff" is beginning to percolate into the skulls of the RIAA's customers. And many of them do have a way to profit directly from authorized downloads (thanks to iTunes and the like). So it's now possible for both the RIAA and its clientele to look at things more rationally. They can entertain the possibility that unauthorized downloading, like pre-Betamax-decision videotaping of broadcasts, might not be an unmitigated disaster - and may even be a Good Thing (especially once the for-pay alternative is available for honest people who are more than browsing.)
So the RIAA can now back off its enforcement efforts and go back to more reasonable functions, such as hunting down mass-production pirates, collecting royalties from broadcasters and those creating commercial public performances, and so on.
But on their way out they still need to declare victory - not just to save their own tails, but to keep some pressure on downloaders to go to the commercial services and pay the 99 cents, and to keep in the public mind the idea that they SHOULD do so.
(Of course they can claim to their clientele (with some justification) that their efforts to date are what branded this concept into "the public mind" in the first place.)
Meanwhile, now that the clients see that the "piracy" isn't going to sink their ships they can get on with the job of making product and making money off it, and taking advantage of the new medium to make even more profit.
New media mean new opportunities for profit, and these opportunities are greater than the (largely illusory) "losses" from the unauthorized copying they enable. This was shown with piano rolls, wax tube recordings, disk recordings, radio broadcasting, and tape recordings.
Now it has been shown with digital recordings and network distribution. But it's sufficiently counter-intuitive to The Suits that they have to learn it fresh every time.
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
Of course, we liberals are biased in nearly everything we do. So are "you conservatives." If there weren't this bias on both sides, there wouldn't be any sides. Pot, meet kettle. This is not to say that either side is always correct or incorrect; this is to say that people see things different ways, and if people aren't allowed to voice their opinions, then we would have a dictatorship on our hands.
Oh, wait...
"Teleporting Rodents with D-Cell Battery Displacement" theory -- IgnoramusMaximus (692000)
But this doesn't kill the "music industry". There will always be a need for a legitimation structure -- an industry that sifts the amateurish crap from the high-quality art. But it won't be done through "push" marketing: "Britney is the next Madonna (as if Madonna was a major artist anyway)! Coldplay is the next U2!" No, listeners will want good information about who's doing what, and they'll decide who's the next what. RIAA has got so distracted shrieking about "piracy" that they've forgotten their core competency: put simply: telling good from bad. That's a service people will always want and pay for.
I don't neglect the obvious fact that the RIAA not been a bastion of good taste recently; they've focused for over a decade on making the bad look good, in order to simplify their lives by stamping formula music out of a mold and just marketing it all to hell so that people buy it. Or payolizing it so that people don't realize there's anything else out there. But those days are numbered.
But getting audio files (in whatever format) into the hands of listeners? Sorry, the mechanism there is well-understood and staggeringly efficient.
Comments on movies in another post. Maybe.
My turnips listen for the soft cry of your love
Who will they blame? If they don't have P2P who will they blame for all their crap they produce?
This article has to be a joke.
INTERNET RADIO STILL LIVES!
... Need I go on?)
They believe they have won. They think they know the game. They think they have the problem under control. They even supported Apple iPod and iTunes just so that they could tell us that Commerical (mainstream) music is good and free music hurts musicians! They were WRONG!
Kazaza and Napster (the old Napster we knew) did not shut down the local music store in our town. In fact, it stay open and continued to be successful for many years until commerical mainstream file sharing such as iTunes and Napster (the new sucky one that exists) cam along. These online music stores ENDORSED by RIAA caused many record stores to close. Because they told us that downloading free music was bad, many bands did not get recognmized.
Then RIAA got the government to shut down many Internet Radio stations thanks to the CARP Act. They also conviced broadcasting groups (like NAB) and movie organizations (like MPAA) to jump on the bandwagon to sue file sharers. NAB convice the BBC and a few other shortwave news services to stop broadcasting on shortwave and broadcast on satilite radio instead. RIAA and MPAA and NAB as we found out decided to do all sorts of crap to decieve record companies, film makers, music artists, and TV executives into this big lie that they were loosing money.
RIAA and their allies still won't admit that they made a mistake.
Even though the number of TV viewers has decreased.
Even though satilite radio can't get that big audience they believe they will have. (Like anyone is going to pay $20!)
Even though the Movie industry has rejected many ideas for movies while advertising and marketing really bad movies. (The pinnacle examples: The Matrix Reloaded, Shrek 2, Napoleon Dynamite,
Even though TV news sucks as bad as the printed newpapers (So much Yellow Journalism and spazzing out over crap that is not real news while real news is discarded. Do I care if some peppy white cheerleader has been missing for the past six month and the press saw her boyfriend who may have killed her use 2 sheets of TP instead of one! I bet if she wasn't a WASP we wouldn't know about her.)
Even though radio broadcasters like Emmis and Clearchannel run a radio monopoly in many cities and try to bombard us with advertisements for products we don't need, sometimes the same product from a different company. (I have no need for a tan, breast augmentation, adult lingerie, mortgages, loans, pills, and I definitely DON'T want to listen to any ads from any gas station or oil company. (I should file rape AND stalking charges against Shell, ExxonMobile, Ammaco, etc. It's bad enough they rape me at the pump. I really do not want to be remined every 15 minutes that they will do it.)) Many of the advertisments lately have been agreesive, decieving, and loaded with greater ammounts of logical fallacities other than the ones that are regularly used. (There is one that claimed it had an answer to the gas problem but sold something that was so absurd! That one just pisses me off!)
RIAA lost more money that it gained! Yet they did not mind suing children, low income families, the elderly, and people who enver even knew that there was an internet or computers. If they were anymore evil, they would have live in Hangzhou, China and crushed kittens with stiletto shoes. (I hope you NEVER see those AWEFUL images!)
This is the same assine gestapo-behavior (not to invoke Goodwin's Law, but yes "ghestapo") that our government is using at the Department of Homeland Security. Anyone who has seen that episode of Penn and Teller's BS probably knows about the survelance van scene. If you haven't seen it, this episode is on YouTube.
That brings me to another point. Sites like YouTube and Google Video. RIAA, MPAA and NAB had all sorts of fun jerking us around with Kazaa and Napster, why aren't they going after si
The Rapture is NOT an exit strategy.
Maybe the RIAA actually listened to Hilary Rosen when she said it was a bad idea for them to be suing customers. It sounds like they're trying to pull back on their litigous behaviour for the good of their business without admitting they were wrong.
Next week: RIAA brings stability to Iraq, declares victory.
If anyone believes that lie they must be on drugs.
The Rapture is NOT an exit strategy.
Does this mean the harassment of customers and p2p users will cease? Or does it just encourage them.
Not that i believe their 'facts', its all about marketing.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Someone makes a MMORPG called House Party. In it, you can show home videos and play music when people come to your house, just like real life. I wonder how that's fare in the legal arena.
God spoke to me.
Anyone remember the MyFi or AirWare? How about on the Sirius side the Sportster Replay? RoadyXT? Etc?
All those units were able to record up to 30 minutes or 2 hours depending on the models. Where was the RIAA then?
You can't pull music off of the new XM units, the only difference between them and say, a Sportster Replay, is that you can upload your own MP3's to the internal memory as well as the songs you "record" off of XM. I don't see what the RIAA's big deal is with this. For example, ITunes doesn't charge you per month, just per song or album downloaded. XM charges a monthly fee of $12.95 which allows you to listen to music being played live, and on some models of receivers, it allows you to store the songs for later replay. What's the issue?
How is this different than Napster allowing you to play any song at any time you want under the $9.99 monthly fee? The only difference is with XM, you can't browse the songs like Napster, and you can't send commands back to XM's servers to stream the song. So the song gets stored in a local "buffer" for later use. You can't get the song off the unit (well maybe some hackers could but still) so all you're really doing is having another way of music on-demand.
Again I bring up the point, where was the RIAA when the other XM and/or Sirius units came out that could buffer? What's the whole uprising about? I honestly believe this is another instance where some new idea or technology (which it hardly is) is scarring the RIAA for some absurd reason. Their reaction, like we've all come to know and love, is to sue.
When will they get their head out of their asses, realize their actions make them look like gredy fat old bastards in the eyes on the consumers, and discover THIS is what's really hurting their sales. Once Metallica threw a hissy about Napster, I, along with a ton of other folks, quit buying their albums. I don't buy CD's anymore, because I'd only be buying them for 1 or 2 songs, and the rest is crap. All the rap anymore annoys me, because all the songs are just re-worked versions of prior songs, as are alot of other genres. And don't get me started on some of the new fad "Emo" crap. Point blank, to me and alot of my friends, alot of new music blows, we don't buy CD's for that reason, and the songs we do like, we aren't going to pay $12.99 for just to have a few other tracks of crap.
Damn, they got us.
*pssst, you fuckers got that shit ready yet ?!*
Wanna fight ? Bend over, stick your head up your ass, and fight for air.
Dewey Defeats Truman!
Which all the random lawsuits were, they were making an example out of random people who used the internet to scare those who do not do any serious pirating to the online store medium. Well, prolly werent their first thoughts, but it worked out that way in the end.
ALSO. this could be a tactic to get people to become more cocky about downloading illegal songs and movies so they can go after them with ease as well.
I do find this odd this happens after the pirate bay got owned.
Plus, after all these abusive laws that hurt the consumers got passed in the US.
and that now they're trying the same shit with Canada. (captain copyright, anyone? big dinners paid by taxpayers?)
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"It's time to take life by the cans." ~ Bender ("Bendin' in the Wind", ep. 3-13)
FTA:
I'd be leeching myself silly if there was something worth downloading, but its all shite
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the Bittorrent link to these documents?
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Whenever there's a school holiday, you can count on the **AA to claim major victories against file trading.
When the kids go home for the summer, or Christmas break, or spring break (probably what they are looking at in this case), trading traffic declines because the kids lose some of that school bandwidth and access to computers, or they go home and get busy goofing off outside or working summer jobs, etc.
Whatever the case, traffic drops.
Cue the **AA to stand up and claim the drop means they're suddenly being more effective at shutting down piracy. It's got almost nothing to do with the **AA and everything to do with the natural ebb and flow of the people who consume the content. They're not stopping out of fear. They stop because they're away from keyboard.
When school resumes, traffic goes right back up if not higher and stays there until the next school holiday when it drops down again, at which point the **AA will again attempt to justify its own existence by posting another press release. It's lies, damn lies, and statistics. Nothing more.
Interestingly enough, the fact that traffic goes down during these breaks says that people are finding other things to do with their time instead of stealing content, which means the stolen content is automatically devalued to the extent that whatever else the kids are doing is more important to them. Since the **AA think their content equals gold unequaled, they cannot have people thinking there is something better to do with their time than watch or listen. Instead they take credit for the drops as a matter of enforcement rather than recognizing that it's simply the audience making a choice to consume or do something that doesn't involve content -a FAR more frightening concept to accept when you're whole reason for being is to push the value of content.
p2p is just beginning. when people start buying big HD video files your ISP will expect that kind of huge traffic on your account. people make money off showing people how to get torrents through advertising, etc. there are tons of countries where piracy will be growing for years, countries without legal alternatives or the money to participate in them. people want to try out movies and albums before they buy. i paid $10 to watch Aeon Flux but walked out because I didn't like it but if I choose to I will download it and finish it. until movie companies release films in sync with demand the pirates will beat them to the market much earlier. we need simultaneous releases for your home theatre and the movie theatre with no crippling of quality. we demand it. apple's iTunes Music Store still says "music store" on the left side of iTunes when you go to it. there are opportunities for both ad-based pirate business models and high-end quality legal stores for movies. verizon offers 15mps download speed through fiber service in NY for under $50, faster than my college's internal transfers over Direct Connect. there are so many people who are not yet on the Internet who will come on and steal their media. when you need a file and you don't have it with you but you own it, like when you forgot to bring your favorite album on vacation, you WILL steal it. i have no time to figure out how to find HD programming on my TV even though I pay for at least 10 channels of it...it might be easier to download it if you have a fiber connection, with the commercials already edited out. just yesterday i taped Windfall and the DVR wasn't smart enough to ask me if I wanted an HD copy. in fact my favorite part about all the tv shows i've downloaded is the wonderful effort the rippers go through to remove the ads. i really appreciate it. people will find a way to rip DVD-Audio again even though it's been over a year since the crackdown because people are getting 5.1 speaker sets for under $300. many people think that beyond ISP and hardware that's all they have to pay for their computer system, that to buy warez would be a joke. with the money they're not spending on media they will be getting better audio and video equipment and seek DVD-Audio and HD quality over P2P and I'll benefit from the tools I need to utilize my own store-bought media; to add them to my personal hard drive which I'm not able to now.
I am curious to see if the RIAA ever considered that the reason music piracy levels are not increasing is because everyone already has all the songs they want. It's not like the RIAA is flooding the market with an excess of quality releases.
... and found no evidence of P2P file sharing, leading them to believe that the problem is fully contained to just this planet.
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Declare victory and go home.
:P
(I hope they don't forget the "go home" part this time.)
I hope that "the home" is not "your home" or "my home"
... how P2P just happens to start being a major problem when the economy takes a dive around 2000, and is finally contained when the economy is booming in 2006.
Of course, they'll tell us that "containing P2P" is what caused the huge economic boom, I'm sure.
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Just as people reach a saturation point where there is little they are interested in buying, eventually they reach the saturation point where they aren't interested in more, even if it's free. How many thousands of songs do you listen to in a day? How much disk space are you willing to commit to something that you NEVER listent to? The only solution to declining consumption is something novell and attractive that has value.
Recently I checked CNET download.com and found 'Windows P2P Extension Pack'. After the installation, walla! NOW YOUR Windows Explorer is your file sharing application!, What else would you need more? No registration, No log on, No spyware, bundle whatever the headache NO MORE! This program gives pure file sharing experience! This is the future of P2P application for Windows users! This type of p2p program will apprear more and more and eventually RIAA will surrender sooner or later...