Yes, the Soviet Union - which collapsed over 25 years ago. Whereas everything I just mentioned is current events - Guantanamo Bay continues to hold people without trial RIGHT NOW.
Apple have been way more evil than Microsoft since Woz got shafted
Suuure they are. Bought any new Plays4Sure music for your Zune lately? How you liking the forced OS updates? Which did you like more - the plan to allow banning of secondhand sales of XBox games, or the keylogger built into Windows 10?
Except Russia's continual war on free countries everywhere is a fact you can't argue with -- and they've never stopped.
The CIA has overthrown dozens of governments since WWII. Can you name the last one overthrown by Russia without going back to the USSR? You can skip Crimea unless you want me to explain how much of an idiot you are, as the population wouldn't have voted to join Russia if your literal neo-Nazi pals hadn't taken over Ukraine in a US-backed coup. Furthermore....
Which country has illegally attacked a dozen countries this century?
Which country had a worldwide kidnapping and torture program?
Which country spies on the electronic communications of every person on the planet, including allied heads of state?
Which country has a policy of bombing weddings and funerals, then follows up those strikes with "double taps" to murder any rescuers?
Which country has a gulag on the island of Cuba RIGHT NOW?
So what? They will hand over some of the taxpayers dollars and continue to do it again. Monetary damages have no effect on the police, they don't care.
That old saw. It's not taxpayers on the hook, it's the insurance company. But if you had a line item for "police brutality" on your taxes, maybe you and your fellow sanctified taxpayers may just get motivated enough to do something about it.
I'm sure you held Ivanka Trump and Jared whatever-he-does to the same standard.
And heeeere come the false equivalencies and whatabouttery! Ivanka and Trump aren't appointed officials who deal with the highest levels of classified information as a part of their day job. They don't have servers in their closet and don't use them exclusively, and they haven't deleted tens of thousands of emails while under active FBI investigation and orders to preserve evidence. And you can choke on this one - they didn't trash Hillary for using private mail a mere two years before doing the same thing themselves.
assume your wife had a similar paper trail of meeting someone she was not supposed to and claimed innocence
You guys are still trying to fuck that chicken after it came out that not only did the Hillary campaign collude with foreign intelligence agents to rig a general election, they paid for it?
Actually, only online propaganda and hacking has been blamed on Russia.
And trying to hack an electrical grid. And voting machines. And invading Crimea. And invading Ukraine.
We know Russia has excellent hackers and buildings full of online propagandists, so it seems like a logical conclusion that they have been using them.
Uh huh. Without going to Google, can you name a single instance of such propaganda efforts, backed up by actual evidence and not hysterical accusations. Next, how does it compare to the billions spent to undermine the Ukrainian, Syrian, Libyan and Venezuelan governments - half of which resulted in "successful" regime change, and hundreds of thousands of deaths.
It's 2018 and the Republicans have controlled both Congress and the Presidency for over a year, so why are you bringing up the 2016 elections? At this rate, I swear it's 2037 and one of you retards with a faded MAGA hat is going to tell me about how that Trump and Republicans won and that I should accept it. Seriously, we get it!
Not a Trump supporter, so that just makes you look stupid. And of course is is all about the 2016 election. Leaked emails from Hillary campaign showed her own insiders seeing the uranium deal as the biggest liability for her campaign. So, they followed the lead set by Bush in 2004, and laid plans to accuse their handpicked opponent of what they themselves were guilty of.
And if the party had to stop talking about Russia for five minutes, they might have to actually start talking about why they lost to an incompetent racist WWE character who boasted about grabbing women by the pussy. They might have to talk about why they've made zero changes to their strategy or why there's been zero accountability for rigging their own primary, and shoving over a billion dollars in campaign money into a pile on the street and setting it on fire.
Russiagaters are getting more and more desperately pathetic with each passing day. this pic about sums it up. Anything and everything can be and will be blamed on Russia, because we need a distraction from how horrible Hillary and her party are to lose the most winnable election in history.
Countries like Greece, Ireland and Portugal (in particular) are slaves to the Euro, and unable to devalue their own currencies while deficit spending to stimulate their economies and unemployment. They've been forced into "austerity" to please central European bankers, which has lead to a steep downward spiral in the economies.
France.
France is in the same model boat as Greece and Ireland, theirs just doesn't have as many holes in it.
Or how about Germany's relaxation of employment rules for youth "apprentices" so that they are more attractive to employers.
Germany is in a different capitalist universe compared to the rest of the world. This is the country where labor is strong enough that workers are demanding not job cuts in response to automation, but for a 28 hour work week with no reduction in overall compensation.
Or the UK scaling minimum wages with age
The UK, like the United States, has been under the thumb of a bipartisan neoliberal party since the late 70's. Both Tories and Labor have spent decades throwing the working class under the bus, and that wont change unless Corbin or someone like him is elected prime minister.
What I am saying is not even remotely controversial.
It is for anyone following economics from Keynes on left. These countries have high unemployment because they have no control over the currency the use, and have been forced into accepting "austerity" which inherently leads to depressed economies. Not because they have a livable minimum wage. But lets go ahead and say that minimum wages are going to be reduced or eliminated across the EU. You aren't going to see consumer prices fall by the same margin, which means poverty and joblessness will only increase as people can no longer participate in the economy.
Raising minimum wage is correlated to unemployment.
It sure is - it reduces it. Pay people more money and they have more money to spend, most of which will go into the local economy. This means more business, not less, for any business you are in or invested in. The only "reductions" in jobs come from people quitting their second or third because their full-time position can start paying the rent and putting food on the table by itself.
If you were a baker, or web developer (pick a service industry gig, it really doesn't matter), and someone you knew to be a neo-nazi, antifa (Really, whatever your personal bogeyman happens to be) wanted you to do perform work for hire, for them -- would you tell them to fuck off?
Are neo-nazis and antifa protected classes in the state of Colorado? Nope, but gays are. But what's with the incessant false equivalencies - the subject of gay rights come up and people who want to defend homophobia just can't stop making irrelevant comparisons. IQ's just drop 50 points on the spot.
Like when marriage equality was making its way through the courts and people just couldn't stop saying that if gay marriage was legalized, then the next step was pedophellia and bestiality. Which prompted articles like this: How To Explain Gay Rights To An Idiot.
That article needs to be updated. For the people who then started running around insisting that everyone who supported gay marriage must now also support polygamy, because reasons. And for this utterly asinine idea that anyone's body is a public accommodation.
No bigot in history has come out and said, "hey I'm a bigot who harbors completely dislike to other people for who they are". They all have "reasons" for the bigotry. Native americans were savages who had to make way for manifest destiny. Jews couldn't be trusted because Elders of Zion. Gays can't have rights because then so too must have pedophiles and Nazis. It's all the same crap, just different words and victims.
The prostitution hypothetical is apropos though
As apropos as bestiality was before it. Which is to say, not at all. Not remotely close. No cigar. It's that bigoted discrimination is impossible to defend on the merits, which is why you stretch farther than Mr. Fantastic and Gumby put together to come up with these false equivalencies.
Do you have a Ph.D in dumbfuckery to have to have this explained to you?
Ah, so it's the "anonymous Internet commentator Uberbah says it's different" limiting principle. Got it. Hopefully you've contacted the Supreme Court and imbued them with your infinite wisdom on how easy this all is -- they were actually struggling with the issue, but this should clear everything up.
Do tell where the Supreme Court is struggling with the notion that the bodies of prostitutes are public accommodations.
For reasons that have nothing whatsover to do with Russiagate.
Every time evidence is present Trumpers just yell "Show me evidence".
Not a Trump supporter. Just someone who doesn't have his lead lodged up his ass 15 years after the same "intelligence community" lied you into a war with Iraq. Let me guess...you were smearing skeptics as "Saddam lovers" at the time, weren't you?
Or they yell "BUT WHAT ABOUT" Hillary
Because everything Hillbots are so far falsely accusing Trump of doing, Hillary in fact did. Indisputably. Corrupt deals with Russian interests? Check! Literally, to Bill Clinton from people pushing the uranium deal. Rigged an election? Check, the Democratic primary. Colluded with foreign intelligence agents to swing a general election? Check! Again literally, to pay for the Steele Dossier.
The 'Google's actual customers' meme is old and worn out. We already know that.
Self awareness? Apple's "walled garden" is even more old and worn out, but that didn't stop you from complaining about it.
And Apple literally kill off old versions of their hardware with non-reversible 'last upgrades' and have done so consistently with their phone hardware for years.
Insert-Mark-Hamill-picture-here. Every word in that sentence is false.
Don't deflect to Microsoft.
You mean don't point out that these problems/standards only apply when Apple is involved. You own any game consoles? Blue Ray players? How about a car with integrated navigation/apps/entertainment system.
Such is the power of the Hatorade Distortion Field.
Why didnt they do the same thing to Canada?? Is it harder to pull that subversion off on white nations??
Canada is part of the same imperial club as the United States. Member of NATO, member of the Five Eyes, participated in the illegal invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. If you had a real socialist get elected as prime minister of Canada, the CIA would be all over his ass like flies on shit.
They absolutely do not support the kind of foreign adventures you describe.
Their support or opposition to CIA death squads etc doesn't change the fact that those things happened, and the USG owes its victims reparations. That would be paid for via taxes.
All the anti-immigration people I've met are isolationists.
And what's the Venn diagram on nativists who also:
1) Want the US to have the strongest military in the world 2) Want the US to have the strongest intelligence in the world 3) Have a completely irrational love for capitalism 4) Have a completely irrational fear of socialism
....four things that when added together, make this kind of imperialism inevitable. That, and we're already working with a high level of cognitive dissonance here, as the descendants of white European invaders call the descendants of native inhabitants "illegal Immigrants".
I agree, and would never go for a phone that is 'nothing more than a data source for Google.' Which is why I chose an inexpensive Samsung Galaxy phone.
Which if it runs Android, still makes you a product for Google's actual customers.
One thing I would never, ever, do is buy a phone where the whole stack from the hardware to the OS came from a single sourced vendor
So how many times have you replaced the Samsung-provided install on your Galaxy with one from Motorola or HTC?
That's just putting your head in the lion's mouth.
This isn't Microsoft, where the company randomly kills off one of its ecosystems, leaving its customers high and dry.
That doesn't work because what convinces me won't necessarily convince you.
Hand waiving.
Likewise the meeting between George Papadopolous and Joseph Mifsud in which Mifsud offered a Russian government trove of emails from the Clinton campaign was perfectly innocent. Papadoploous lying about that meeting to the FBI was also a perfectly innocent mistake.
Private citizens enjoying their freedom of association. But if that's your smoking gun - how much time do you want Hillary and her staffers to serve for not just colluding with foreign intelligence agents to swing a general election, but paying for the Steele Dossier to do so?
It's equally lame when you provide it and the other party says "that's not good enough" regardless of how strong it is.
So far Russiagaters have provided just as much evidence for their ideas as Chem Trailers have to show the CIA really is putting mind-controlling gas into commercial jet fuel.
The media pushed the 17 number because they're mostly credulous fools, as Ben Rhodes pointed out.
And because Democrats like Hillary Clinton kept repeating it. Like the lie that Saddam planned 911, this one will never go away.
If your beef is with the credibility of the IC, would you have been convinced if the Treasury Department's Office of Terrorism and Financial Intelligence signed on?
You mean the same sort of people who told lies about Saddam having WMD's and planning 911? At this point, the burden of proof on the entire "intelligence community" is so high that if they claim water is wet, you'd better check for yourself. And consult a chemist just to be sure. Anyone who doesn't after the USG legalized domestic propaganda should send me their life savings before they lose it to a Nigerian prince.
Would meetings by people in the campaign with what they believe to be people working for the Russian Government for purposes of obtaining favors rise to the level of collusion for you? Or does there have to be a specific quid pro quo?
Ok. How long do you want Hillary and her staffers to go to prison for paying for the Steele Dossier? Admitted collusion between foreign intelligence agents, with Russian sources, to swing a general election in the United States.
That's the problem. Illegals in the US are NOT largely talented or caring. The stats just do not support this tired narrative. Education is lower than the average, skillsets are lower than the average, participation in crime is higher than the average.
Because the U.S. has spent the last couple hundred years fucking them over. Overthrowing their governments - some multiple times - invasions, sanctions, CIA death squads, supporting military dictatorships - and then you wonder why they flee without having gone to grad school. So you could ask for your taxes to be increased to pay a hundred trillion in reparations....
...or maybe just be quiet and let the poor bastards stock shelves at Wal-Mart.
Rhetorical masturbation doesn't change the fact you can't prove a negative. It's upon Russiagaters to prove their assertions, period. Otherwise, I'll simply assert that you own a sheep ranch for a harem and leave you to disprove that assertion.
We have no idea what Mueller has
Sure we do. He has nothing. If Mueller were actually serious about this, the first thing he would have done was subpoena the DNC servers for a proper FBI investigation, as the Russia-hacked-the-DNC is the Jenga block holding up the entire Russiagate tower.
but the people he is handing subpoenas to is highly interesting
None of which has anything to do with Russiagate itself. Russiagaters don't seem to notice this, though.
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Yes, the Soviet Union - which collapsed over 25 years ago. Whereas everything I just mentioned is current events - Guantanamo Bay continues to hold people without trial RIGHT NOW.
Dumbass.
Suuure they are. Bought any new Plays4Sure music for your Zune lately? How you liking the forced OS updates? Which did you like more - the plan to allow banning of secondhand sales of XBox games, or the keylogger built into Windows 10?
The CIA has overthrown dozens of governments since WWII. Can you name the last one overthrown by Russia without going back to the USSR? You can skip Crimea unless you want me to explain how much of an idiot you are, as the population wouldn't have voted to join Russia if your literal neo-Nazi pals hadn't taken over Ukraine in a US-backed coup. Furthermore....
Which country has illegally attacked a dozen countries this century?
Which country had a worldwide kidnapping and torture program?
Which country spies on the electronic communications of every person on the planet, including allied heads of state?
Which country has a policy of bombing weddings and funerals, then follows up those strikes with "double taps" to murder any rescuers?
Which country has a gulag on the island of Cuba RIGHT NOW?
The worst psyop since Saddam planning 911 and having WMD's is the propaganda about Russian propaganda.
FTFY. But if you had a line item for police brutality on your taxes, you might just be motivated enough to do something about it.
That old saw. It's not taxpayers on the hook, it's the insurance company. But if you had a line item for "police brutality" on your taxes, maybe you and your fellow sanctified taxpayers may just get motivated enough to do something about it.
No distinction or difference, pedant.
And heeeere come the false equivalencies and whatabouttery! Ivanka and Trump aren't appointed officials who deal with the highest levels of classified information as a part of their day job. They don't have servers in their closet and don't use them exclusively, and they haven't deleted tens of thousands of emails while under active FBI investigation and orders to preserve evidence. And you can choke on this one - they didn't trash Hillary for using private mail a mere two years before doing the same thing themselves.
Get lost, Hillbot.
You guys are still trying to fuck that chicken after it came out that not only did the Hillary campaign collude with foreign intelligence agents to rig a general election, they paid for it?
And trying to hack an electrical grid. And voting machines. And invading Crimea. And invading Ukraine.
Uh huh. Without going to Google, can you name a single instance of such propaganda efforts, backed up by actual evidence and not hysterical accusations. Next, how does it compare to the billions spent to undermine the Ukrainian, Syrian, Libyan and Venezuelan governments - half of which resulted in "successful" regime change, and hundreds of thousands of deaths.
Not a Trump supporter, so that just makes you look stupid. And of course is is all about the 2016 election. Leaked emails from Hillary campaign showed her own insiders seeing the uranium deal as the biggest liability for her campaign. So, they followed the lead set by Bush in 2004, and laid plans to accuse their handpicked opponent of what they themselves were guilty of.
And if the party had to stop talking about Russia for five minutes, they might have to actually start talking about why they lost to an incompetent racist WWE character who boasted about grabbing women by the pussy. They might have to talk about why they've made zero changes to their strategy or why there's been zero accountability for rigging their own primary, and shoving over a billion dollars in campaign money into a pile on the street and setting it on fire.
Russiagaters are getting more and more desperately pathetic with each passing day. this pic about sums it up. Anything and everything can be and will be blamed on Russia, because we need a distraction from how horrible Hillary and her party are to lose the most winnable election in history.
France is in the same model boat as Greece and Ireland, theirs just doesn't have as many holes in it.
Germany is in a different capitalist universe compared to the rest of the world. This is the country where labor is strong enough that workers are demanding not job cuts in response to automation, but for a 28 hour work week with no reduction in overall compensation.
The UK, like the United States, has been under the thumb of a bipartisan neoliberal party since the late 70's. Both Tories and Labor have spent decades throwing the working class under the bus, and that wont change unless Corbin or someone like him is elected prime minister.
It is for anyone following economics from Keynes on left. These countries have high unemployment because they have no control over the currency the use, and have been forced into accepting "austerity" which inherently leads to depressed economies. Not because they have a livable minimum wage. But lets go ahead and say that minimum wages are going to be reduced or eliminated across the EU. You aren't going to see consumer prices fall by the same margin, which means poverty and joblessness will only increase as people can no longer participate in the economy.
It sure is - it reduces it. Pay people more money and they have more money to spend, most of which will go into the local economy. This means more business, not less, for any business you are in or invested in. The only "reductions" in jobs come from people quitting their second or third because their full-time position can start paying the rent and putting food on the table by itself.
Are neo-nazis and antifa protected classes in the state of Colorado? Nope, but gays are. But what's with the incessant false equivalencies - the subject of gay rights come up and people who want to defend homophobia just can't stop making irrelevant comparisons. IQ's just drop 50 points on the spot.
Like when marriage equality was making its way through the courts and people just couldn't stop saying that if gay marriage was legalized, then the next step was pedophellia and bestiality. Which prompted articles like this: How To Explain Gay Rights To An Idiot.
That article needs to be updated. For the people who then started running around insisting that everyone who supported gay marriage must now also support polygamy, because reasons. And for this utterly asinine idea that anyone's body is a public accommodation.
No bigot in history has come out and said, "hey I'm a bigot who harbors completely dislike to other people for who they are". They all have "reasons" for the bigotry. Native americans were savages who had to make way for manifest destiny. Jews couldn't be trusted because Elders of Zion. Gays can't have rights because then so too must have pedophiles and Nazis. It's all the same crap, just different words and victims.
As apropos as bestiality was before it. Which is to say, not at all. Not remotely close. No cigar. It's that bigoted discrimination is impossible to defend on the merits, which is why you stretch farther than Mr. Fantastic and Gumby put together to come up with these false equivalencies.
Do tell where the Supreme Court is struggling with the notion that the bodies of prostitutes are public accommodations.
Then it will be easy for you to show it.
For reasons that have nothing whatsover to do with Russiagate.
Not a Trump supporter. Just someone who doesn't have his lead lodged up his ass 15 years after the same "intelligence community" lied you into a war with Iraq. Let me guess...you were smearing skeptics as "Saddam lovers" at the time, weren't you?
Because everything Hillbots are so far falsely accusing Trump of doing, Hillary in fact did. Indisputably. Corrupt deals with Russian interests? Check! Literally, to Bill Clinton from people pushing the uranium deal. Rigged an election? Check, the Democratic primary. Colluded with foreign intelligence agents to swing a general election? Check! Again literally, to pay for the Steele Dossier.
Yes. You are.
Time stamp on your post is 11:07 am - isn't that a little early to be hitting the bottle? Why don't you sober up, re-read the post and try again.
Self awareness? Apple's "walled garden" is even more old and worn out, but that didn't stop you from complaining about it.
Insert-Mark-Hamill-picture-here. Every word in that sentence is false.
You mean don't point out that these problems/standards only apply when Apple is involved. You own any game consoles? Blue Ray players? How about a car with integrated navigation/apps/entertainment system.
Such is the power of the Hatorade Distortion Field.
Canada is part of the same imperial club as the United States. Member of NATO, member of the Five Eyes, participated in the illegal invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. If you had a real socialist get elected as prime minister of Canada, the CIA would be all over his ass like flies on shit.
Their support or opposition to CIA death squads etc doesn't change the fact that those things happened, and the USG owes its victims reparations. That would be paid for via taxes.
And what's the Venn diagram on nativists who also:
1) Want the US to have the strongest military in the world
2) Want the US to have the strongest intelligence in the world
3) Have a completely irrational love for capitalism
4) Have a completely irrational fear of socialism
....four things that when added together, make this kind of imperialism inevitable. That, and we're already working with a high level of cognitive dissonance here, as the descendants of white European invaders call the descendants of native inhabitants "illegal Immigrants".
Which if it runs Android, still makes you a product for Google's actual customers.
So how many times have you replaced the Samsung-provided install on your Galaxy with one from Motorola or HTC?
This isn't Microsoft, where the company randomly kills off one of its ecosystems, leaving its customers high and dry.
Hand waiving.
Private citizens enjoying their freedom of association. But if that's your smoking gun - how much time do you want Hillary and her staffers to serve for not just colluding with foreign intelligence agents to swing a general election, but paying for the Steele Dossier to do so?
Easy test of partisan hackery.
So far Russiagaters have provided just as much evidence for their ideas as Chem Trailers have to show the CIA really is putting mind-controlling gas into commercial jet fuel.
And because Democrats like Hillary Clinton kept repeating it. Like the lie that Saddam planned 911, this one will never go away.
You mean the same sort of people who told lies about Saddam having WMD's and planning 911? At this point, the burden of proof on the entire "intelligence community" is so high that if they claim water is wet, you'd better check for yourself. And consult a chemist just to be sure. Anyone who doesn't after the USG legalized domestic propaganda should send me their life savings before they lose it to a Nigerian prince.
Ok. How long do you want Hillary and her staffers to go to prison for paying for the Steele Dossier? Admitted collusion between foreign intelligence agents, with Russian sources, to swing a general election in the United States.
Because the U.S. has spent the last couple hundred years fucking them over. Overthrowing their governments - some multiple times - invasions, sanctions, CIA death squads, supporting military dictatorships - and then you wonder why they flee without having gone to grad school. So you could ask for your taxes to be increased to pay a hundred trillion in reparations....
...or maybe just be quiet and let the poor bastards stock shelves at Wal-Mart.
Rhetorical masturbation doesn't change the fact you can't prove a negative. It's upon Russiagaters to prove their assertions, period. Otherwise, I'll simply assert that you own a sheep ranch for a harem and leave you to disprove that assertion.
Sure we do. He has nothing. If Mueller were actually serious about this, the first thing he would have done was subpoena the DNC servers for a proper FBI investigation, as the Russia-hacked-the-DNC is the Jenga block holding up the entire Russiagate tower.
None of which has anything to do with Russiagate itself. Russiagaters don't seem to notice this, though.