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iPhone X Purchase Leads To Police, Battering Ram, and Handcuffs (cbslocal.com)
An anonymous reader quotes CBS SFBayArea:
On one recent morning, Rick Garcia and his wife Shannon Knuth woke up to a posse of San Francisco police officers at their front door. "I peered through the peephole and I saw a police officer and a battering ram," Garcia said. "We heard 'SFPD' and 'warrant,' and I was like 'what's going on?'" Knuth remembers. It felt like a nightmare yet it was real. Garcia says that within seconds he was dragged into the hallway of his apartment complex, handcuffed, then whisked away to the Taraval Station.... Meanwhile Knuth, who had just got out of the shower, was ordered to sit on the couch... After rifling through the apartment Knuth says the officers finally told her what they were looking for: Her husband's iPhone X.
According to the warrant, it was stolen but Knuth showed them the receipt which proved her husband bought it. Once the officers realized their mistake they called the police station and a squad car brought Garcia home. "They gathered their pry bar and their battering ram and they left," he said. So how could a mistake like that happen? It's still unclear but it turns out Garcia and Knuth bought the iPhone at an Apple store at Stonestown Galleria just a few weeks after 300 iPhone Xs were stolen from a UPS truck in the mall parking lot.
One former police chief says the way it was handled "kind of boggles the mind...
"This was clearly an incident that should have just been a knock and talk, a couple detectives come to the door, knock on the door and they would have gathered the same info that they gathered after they put him in handcuffs and hauled him off to jail."
According to the warrant, it was stolen but Knuth showed them the receipt which proved her husband bought it. Once the officers realized their mistake they called the police station and a squad car brought Garcia home. "They gathered their pry bar and their battering ram and they left," he said. So how could a mistake like that happen? It's still unclear but it turns out Garcia and Knuth bought the iPhone at an Apple store at Stonestown Galleria just a few weeks after 300 iPhone Xs were stolen from a UPS truck in the mall parking lot.
One former police chief says the way it was handled "kind of boggles the mind...
"This was clearly an incident that should have just been a knock and talk, a couple detectives come to the door, knock on the door and they would have gathered the same info that they gathered after they put him in handcuffs and hauled him off to jail."
I wish the police would put this kind of effort in to recovering my stolen bike rather than a multi-billion dollar companies product.
But I guess that doesn't fit their mandate of protecting large corporations profits.
It is sad to see such mistakes, and defence lawyers should highlight them in court when police evidence is supposed to be taken seriously. There is a serious problem with the police; it requires a certain type of personality to spend one's life confronting bad guys, and the culture of many police departments is toxic. However in this case there is the added element of a warrant being issued: someone made a false statement to the judge who issued it, and that should also be investigated.
many militarized city police forces in the USA are now purposely using excessive force to instill a compliance mindset through fear. Sometimes the younger officers get a little too hyped up and gun down innocents. they are disciplined but the order cops still get the benefit of obedience of the terrified masses
Any relation to Donald Knuth?
I've really learned a great deal from TAOCP. I've gotten to page 10 of book 1.
It will be interesting to see what the cops claimed in their application for a search warrant, such as their reason to suspect the phone was stolen. Somebody screwed up royally here.
I wonder if the police would launch an assault against a residence on my behalf if someone stole my iPhone... But oh no, taxes are far too high for rich people, we should totally have a flat tax to make things "fair".
And also, you are a failure, as your post isn't first. And you are doubly a failure for giving a shit about getting first post.
... blue uniforms are real, cops are social fiction." - Robert Anton Wilson
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
Instead of being trained not to over-react in situations, it appears as if police are being trained to over-react in situations.
I'm so glad I don't live in the Usa.. land of the free..
so there's this really good lawyer ...
Welcome to the walled garden, biaaatch!
FREEDOM!!! The BEST country on EARTH.
In the US, you are FREE!
Wrongful arrest, and a laundry list of other complaints,
This is SO blatant, it will settle out of court, for a lot of money.
Some anonymous informant told the cops he was too poor to afford an iphone and suddenly had one?
I guess the SWAT type tatics were used because the more you use it the easier it is to justify the cost?
Yes because omg this happens everyday and only in America! Cops in other places are perfect because there is zero crime!
One of my British coworkers honestly believed you can legally walk the streets anywhere in the US with a 50 caliber machine gun.
Hello from Xingxiao China. Something is wrong in your country. Your police are acting very irresponsibly.
Do this for my wrangler.
Ceci n'est pas une Signature !
I assume Apple? But then Apple would have a purchase record. Sounds strange.
No, that won't solve anything. That's counterproductive, and I sincerely hope you don't mean that.
I'll tell you what needs to happen. Police need to understand that it's their job to protect and serve the people, rather than to enforce the law through any means necessary. Police need to fear the people, that if they abuse their power, they will face the same consequences as anyone else. They need to fear that if they cross the line and use excessive force, there will be lengthy prison sentences. Police need to understand that they work for the people, and that the people will hold them accountable when they fail in their obligations.
Unfortunately, there's a segment of the American public that seems to defend the police no matter what. This has unfortunately become clear in the recent killings of unarmed black men by police. Even when the circumstances are egregious, there are people who will continue to defend the police. As long as the people are split on this issue, there won't be any reform.
And that's the only difference.
Where it should be, that more power comes with a higher risk and *higher* punishment when abusing it. Not a lower one.
Frankly, there are Mafias who would probably literally do a better job. And be cheaper too.
At least you could be sure that they would be fired (often quite literally) if they fucked-up.
A crowbar, battering ram, and a posse of SFPD....for an iphone. A phone. Wow. What the fuck.
The UK sounds like such a police-state shithole.
"Nobody's got beaten over an Android"
Table-ized A.I.
wtf is wrong with you Americans?
The whole country is just a joke in the eyes of the rest of the world.
Sue the department back to the stone ages. It's the only way they'll change their "M.O."
with great responsibility comes great punishment.
Even when cases of police shooting unarmed people who were sticking up there hands get investigated they are done so by the police departments involved in committing the crime in the first place. There is a lack of police accountability when the person investigating is the same person who was at your wedding. Unfortunately this is exactly what happens and is routine. We need independent organizations which prohibit anybody whom is involved in government or has been apart of government or any government body or even knows anybody in government from sitting on the board which whose job it is then to investigate government crime.
Police are people too, they deserve to have fun when they can for putting their lives on the line every day!
Yes because omg this happens everyday and only in America!
Somehow I wouldn't be too surprised if this particular thing actually did. Other places have their own problems, too, but usually with other things than policetary asaults on the population. In most other places, cops don't have enough money for such exercises.
Ezekiel 23:20
Welcome to Trumps wet dream of a police state
I posted the parent comment in a good faith attempt to point out that BLM is a prominent organization that supports responsible policing. I posted this to point out that excessive use of police force is a problem for everyone, and perhaps we ought to work together to demand police reform. For no obvious reason, my comment was moderated to -1.
This story isn't a technology story. It's a story about police abusing their power that just happens to involve an iPhone X. Comments about police using excessive force are absolutely relevant to this story, even though it's not clear how this is relevant to Slashdot.
The moderation on this site is useless, and it reflects the dumbing down of Slashdot. There was a time when there were passionate disagreements in comment threads, and posts on both sides were moderated to +5. The users were generally able to moderate based on the quality of the post and whether it was insightful, rather than simply whether they agree or disagree with it. These days, we have political stories that stir up dissent and moderators seem to use their mod points based on whether they agree or disagree with comments. Moderators with liberal views mod down conservative posts. Moderators with conservative views mod down liberal posts. The quality of discussions are terrible and Slashdot has been dumbed down to barely above the level of discussions in Facebook comments.
I'd like to think nerds are smart enough to put aside political differences and appreciate even logic and reason we disagree with. I suppose I was wrong. I started reading and posting on Slashdot in the late 1990s. Perhaps it's time to follow the exodus of long-time readers of this site.
I'm wondering why Apple's computers couldn't track this down right? I mean they're collecting all my personal info, how could they screw it up?
Article doesn't indicate person hauled of to police station was arrested, that is how police avoid a lot of those civil suites. The police should not be able to remove you from a location unless they arrest you & a false arrest should always have consequences for either police or person who accused the victim.
For a phone.
Wow.
Guess I'll make sure to keep all my receipts, who knows when insane cops will come crashing down the door.
sounds like those stolen phones were an inside job, they should be investigating apple store employees and managers
Politics is Treachery, Religion is Brainwashing
Guess he doesn't read the news then. Just a few weeks ago it made national news where a "swatting" incident happened and an innocent man was shot dead by police after they got a call claiming that the house where he lived had a hostage situation. Cops showed up in force under the assumption the call could only be true, made no attempt to determine if there was actually a hostage situation or not, and when the owner came out they shot him dead, claiming they thought he was armed. That wasn't the first time police showed up on a swatting call and made no attempt to determine the validity of it before taking action, but the previous ones usually don't end in death of a citizen. Cops routinely shoot unarmed civilians because the cop is "scared". So the only surprise to me is not that the cops went in like this but that the homeowner is still actually alive because I'd have expected a hair trigger hyped up cop to be ready to gun anybody down at a moment's notice.
Kill the traitors, no appeasement for nazi faggots, Amen.
Truck claims 300 iPhone Xs stolen.
Fewer than that stolen, or iPhone Xs not stolen as reported, or some put back in inventory.
Phone with that IMEA number sold to Garcia.
Police see phone registered to Garcia and go "AHA! Time to arrest."
They bust in, arrest, and then find legal receipt for iPhone X.
Garcia goes free, police embarrassed.
Someone lied about the theft of the iPhone Xs in some way. Maybe it was actually an insurance claim? Or a UPS workers heist?
So the public can find out all the names, Judge included that authorized this for a single iPhone?
;)
;)
Everyone from the Judge, along with all supervisors in the chain of command that signed off, need to removed from public service.
But that will never happen! They are public servants protected by their unions and the most they get will be a paid week off. And a request to be a little more careful! "NOT" like that will happen
Until these individuals are removed from public service nothing will change. Paid vacations will not make a change happen.
This is especially important because we have little idiots(criminals) doing this swatting thing for cred/fun for the internet/self gratification.
Just my 2 cents
you make a good point, when fascism comes to america it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross, and these fucking idiots on slashdot modded you down are part of the problem because they dont see it either
Politics is Treachery, Religion is Brainwashing
The dog is lucky it was small & cute & didn't get shot. She was lucky they allowed her a towel when she was sitting on the couch while law enforcement officers were rummaging through their home. He's lucky he was able to keep his mouth shut & they didn't knock him around a bit before taking him in. They are all lucky to be alive to tell their tale.
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Hitler Did Nothing Wrong.
Mod parent up
At minimum I would sue them for a new phone as it came out for the rest of my unnatural life along with free Apple PCs etc.
And a billion dollars. They screwed up and the man is lucky the police didnâ(TM)t shoot him and his wife.
I was really hoping that society could hold together for at least forty more years, but now? Who knows?
Obama is out of office now. We're OK in the short term. One or two dead SC justices and we're good for a generation or two.
The current, somewhat popular, fascists are waving hammer and sickle flags. But they're just fringe loonies, no power off university campuses.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
And there's another segment of the American public that seems to oppose the police, no matter what.
Knuth could've just showed them some of the more cryptic pages from the collected volumes in Art of Computer Programming. They would've run away in terror. Or maybe they would've been arrested for that actually..
Best Buy emailed my friend that her iPhone X was being delivered to an address in Texas from someone else's credit card in Wisconsin. We live in NY. Best Buy told UPS to send it back to the warehouse in N. Carolina before delivery was completed. There is a lot of credit card games being played over this holiday season. Police reports were filed.
Another place you'll never cut it, college. Your nazi faggot tears are delicious, I can't wait to hear your whiny bitching when Trump goes to prison and dies there lol. You're a faggot, not an American. Say Hi to Vlad when you blow him.
Every day is a good day for a lesson. The cops have a lot on their plate, but they can learn lessons too. Smashing a door: damages: at least $600 for the door, around another $1000 for the casing. Ruining the rug in the front and other incidentals (smashed lamp, entry table): $1000. Cleaning apartment $7500. Loss of damaged, irreplacable heirlooms: $35000. Injury to persons, loss of income, mental distress: $140,000 (if there were injuries incurred, then also physiotherapy, loss of income, potentially $1,500,000-$3,500,000).
Also public apology: priceless, but informative for the future
Tally: Lower limit: $185,000.-
Upper limit: $3,685,100.-
A quick "sorry our mistake" isn't going to cut it. A public apology, a large payout, and a promise to do better will cut it. Its the best kind of lesson: the kind that hurts. If it doesn't hurt, then there is no lesson. If its not inconvenient, then its not a lesson. Its like fines to large companies with massive amounts of money: they don't work, it doesn't work, its not a lesson. Suspending a business license for n-days where n depends on the serious nature of the offense *will* hurt. Don't like the fine, don't do the crime.
And somehow no one saw any of this coming... and we can't see it today either.
Oh, you can. You just want it to happen. The "can't see it" thing is for afterwards.
What kind of horrible person doesn't question such an order? Those cops actually thought it seemed reasonable to show up in force with a battering ram for a phone?
I hate all of the police. Those people are lucky they weren't shot and killed. Lucky they don't own a dog, because cops sadistically enjoy shooting those too.
REMEMBER THE MURDER OF IAN MURDOCH, creator of Debian Linux and leading member of the Free Software community, killed Christmas 2015 by the notoriously corrupt San Francisco police department.
One former police chief says the way it was handled "kind of boggles the mind..."
It's almost as if the police are power-tripping self-righteous morons whose starting assumption is that they're never wrong, and in fact can't be wrong, so the ONLY obvious course of action is to go full-nuclear in every situation. Who knew...
Dear Slashdot: next time you want to mess with the site, add a rich-text editor for comments.
... Remotely activated swatting in their products.
Don't buy an iPhone X. You don't even want to know the penalty for jailbreaking one is.
Subsequent post!
Apparently just politely checking first was too hard for the cops to think about.
1) Does this police department get to keep confiscated property if the person is found guilty? You know, like certain police departments whose budget relies on doing just that.
2) Was it really 300 phones? Or was it 250 phones and someone added an extra 50 to the insurance claim? This could explain how actual sold phones were mysteriously added to the list.
Care killed the cat, but satisfaction brought it back.
This rampant police brutality against Apple Phone Users has to stop.
Doesnt happen in France.
Doesnt happen in Sweden.
Doesnt happen RIGHT NEXT DOOR in Canada.
I hope you get to experience the prideful handgun ownership of a family member killing themself with your freedom penis replacement. Dont worry, it's only twice as likely as you shooting a robber! And maybe the cops who come to shoot you will only grab your wife by the pussy. Maybe. But the important thing is it's a lawful society alright! Just like the Founding Fatherlanders(tm) envisioned!
#freedumbs
Do you enjoy fellating banksters, or do you just do it for the money?
They should not have released him. Who keeps receipts that long.
...a SWAT team's like a penis. If you have one, you're gonna want to use it.
Think about it....
They wanted to make their country great again...
They had a crazy leader that everyone followed blindly...
"Crazy" and "Extremely brash and right leaning" are not the same, but regardless...
Their leader called himself a Christian but was anything but...
The same argument could be made about the majority of US presidents
They forced kids to say pledges of allegiance in school...
Requiring kids to say the pledge of allegiance is a matter of state laws (and not all states require it). Also this has been around for many decades.
They militarized their police force and knocked down doors...
Police militarization has been happening since before Trump, and includes Democrat presidents as well.
They created their own media and claimed everyone else as false...
The left is just as guilty as the right on this one. In fact media outlets in the US are far more likely to lean left than right.
They created a government rule to give him more power at his request...
Again, the same was happening under Obama, and also Bush Jr.
And somehow no one saw any of this coming... and we can't see it today either.
Plenty of people have been witnessing it and complaining, but when a Republican is doing it, Republicans tend to ignore it, and when a Democrat is doing it, Democrats tend to ignore it.
the guy was lucky he wasn't executed right there and then. His wife, too.
Did the store add not stolen phones to the list of stolen ones ? Just to get more money from the insurance ?
Totof
I had a friend whose laptop (Apple brand), money and passports were stolen from the car. There was at least several thousand dollars of property theft and damage.
Thanks to Apple tracking, they were able to locale the address of the burglar, and asked police to help. Did the police enter the house with a battering ram? No, the knocked the door, asked a few questions, and left. Even though they knew the stolen property was inside that address they did nothing. They did not pursue the case any longer, and my friend was left with no recourse.
And the incident happened in the Bay Area, same area where they behaved much differently to a person who was not even a suspect. I'm not sure what to say about the inconsistency of the conduct.
Interesting side note... The iPhone X was originally named iPhone Little. But it chose to reject its slave name and changed its name to iPhone X.
"This was clearly an incident that should have just been a knock and talk, a couple detectives come to the door, knock on the door and they would have gathered the same info that they gathered after they put him in handcuffs and hauled him off to jail."
Not when you live in a police state.
That phone is important enough to law enforcement (and intelligence) to even have that much data to get a suspect, though the wrong one, and use a battering ram over a smart phone. What a creepy as hell product.
In the *entire* EU it is illegal to arrest you without proof. If it's needed to search a private property
they only can do that, not arrest you until the proof is verified.
Wonder if the suspects were thought to be armed. That would give some idea as to why a warrant was served in this manner.
Chewbacon
The Bible is like Wikipedia: written by a bunch of people and verifiable by questionable sources.
If Garcia and his wife had just had a walled garden this wouldn't have happened.
He better be able to keep his job. He's gonna need to pay off that phone... the receipt shows he paid $1498.84! Holy crap! & I thought my S8 was too expensive at $180 (after the credits, rebates, & trading in my S7 with a cracked screen).
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Links about Trump
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Trump moving toward starting a nuclear war:
> Trump Says His "Nuclear Button" Is "Much Bigger" Than North Korea's (Jan. 2, 2018, New York Times)
Two unstable people threaten each other.
> How Does Trump Trump Trump? Start a War. (Jan. 6, 2018, Huffington Post)
> Cartoon: "My nuclear button is bigger than yours!"" (Jan. 4, 2018, Gary Varvel at ArcaMax.com)
Trump's lies:
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Sexual abuse:
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Citizens, now is the time to clean up your Police Forces.
Our town doesn't have these problems because we got rid of all the bad apples, and replaced them with good citizens who want to raise their families here, and be a part of our community, not macho cop wannabees.
You can do it in your towns and cities too, but it takes a concerted effort by the citizens to make it happen.
Do it now, before it's too late for you to make positive change.
This is not the first time that the police have been Apple's goons.
Ye, when people were shooting in Oakland, the police would not even come out.
https://www.youtube.com/c/BrendaEM
never to buy a phone from Apple.
> In fact media outlets in the US are far more likely to lean left than right.
Imagine actually believing this, christ americans are totally brainwashed.
Never open the door for the police.
Have gnu, will travel.
Cops are not obligated to read you your rights until they begin an official interrogation. As such, it is in their interests to postpone that as long as possible so that you might incriminate yourself before you are Mirandized. Anything you say will be admissible as long as they were not 'questioning' you at the time. Yes, this does suck. No, you will not prevail on appeal.
Do not talk to cops in their official capacity. They are professionals at talking to you, you are an amateur at talking to them.
Further, if you are talking and it is not being actively recorded, cops can mis-remember what you said and how you said it. Nothing can stop the dishonest cop from lying, but silence will prevent the many honest cops from mis-remembering.
So, stop talking. Seriously.
Saying 'Whoops! My bad," would at least be a start. Admitting the error is important, and it isn't always a given.
The US would benefit greatly by having mandatory reporting of activity of this type at the national level. As it is, there is not even an authoritative number for police killings of civilians each year.
"What gets measured, gets managed."
Also, "here's some cash," seems like the least they could do.
...to never buy an iPhone. Never mind, I'll remember.
How do you know you live in a police state?
When you fear the police more than you fear the people the police are supposed to be protecting you against.
I read at +2. If your post doesn't reach that level I will not see or respond to it.
Convicted felon, here.
I mostly agree with you.
I would just point out that as the judges get tougher, the stakes get higher. At some point you start to incentivize behavior that you really don't want. Not too bad at the lower levels. At the higher levels, though, perpetrators will start to rapidly escalate violence because they feel they have more to lose by getting caught. This is known in prison as holding court out in the street (apparently this is a movie reference?).
When I got caught coming out of the bank, I surrendered peacefully because I knew it would not be the end of my life. When you make a guy feel that it is the end he may decide differently.
At some point I think we need to be looking at outcomes.
To penalize apple nuts
will they ever learn
That's brilliant -- every media outlet who wants to steer the narrative back on track in the US should be pummeling every public figure they interview from now on with that phrase.
As an American I feel I should throw this out there. America is one of (if not THE) most violent cultures going. Americans are prone to over-reacting and escalating, especially here in the South. It should not be surprising that the police reflect the same attributes.
Was it targeted or did the driver just leave the door unlocked while he ran inside somewhere else?
Casual thief sees the truck, jumps inside, sees a giant box with the Apple logo on the side, WOOHOO!!!
Maybe I should start reading these articles...
https://www.vice.com/en_us/art...
LAWSUIT!
... the US reminds us how much they resemble a 3rd world country when it comes to police force...
jack-booted thugs.
Similar to the sex offenders registry we shoul have a public registry with name and address of all cops who have used excessive force. Name and shame these guys.
**Life is too short to be serious**
Shithole country
That will be the last iPhone that guy ever buys.
Too many people with mental health problems have weapons. The cop in charge of this operation is one of them. We used to call them pigs.
The Socialist Utopia, the crime and the illegals in California are turning out so great, the police has to fear armed criminals all the time everywhere. Another proof that gun laws don't make a state safe, but the wrong people make it unsafe.
these police stories we get from the US all the time are plain crazy.
your policy force has an image problem that reaches far beyond the US alone.
On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
Depending upon the city in the US, if you have the appropriate licence, you can open carry a 50 calibre. I don't recommend doing so, but it would be legal.
This is so weird, this guy here, Knuth, has the same last name as the guy in the last article about The Art Of computer programming and stuff.
Do you really want to buy a product from a company which will SWAT you in return (intentionally or by accident)? I guess charging to audio jack adapters hasn't yielded sufficient profit, so now they are desperate to protect every dollar of profit.
After seeing what can happen to innocent citizens, http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/11/... and https://www.engadget.com/2017/... , I would have been terrified to see what was waiting outside the door. I know that the examples which I cited are an exception to what happens however it still is something which would immediately come to mind if I were in such a situation.
So the question we have to ask ourselves is: what do you do when Big Brother turns out to be very real indeed... but repeatedly gets their facts wrong?
Because that's essentially what we're faced with, at this point.
He'd have been shot on sight as soon as they broke the door down.
... is the squad are android users trying to terrorize the iOS users :D
Hmm. If we could all agree that they were using excessive force, we could probably all agree to kick them off the force. So I guess official policy is out of the question. I wonder if there is any unofficial listing?
A quick Google and presto:
http://www.motherjones.com/cri...
Also:
http://www.ratemycop.com/
Apparently closed since 2015. Well, thinking about it, this is never gonna be functional. I know way too many criminals that refuse to take responsibility for their actions, and have completely unrealistic expectations about how LEOs treat them.
Still, nice idea, though.
The militarization of the US Police causes them to desire to always act like jackbooted thugs, rather than to take a reasonable man approach, and to presume that someone who may have purchased a stolen iPhone may not have any idea that it is stolen, but it is more 'fun' for the cops to kick in your door and arrive onsite in battle armor with fully automatic weapons, ready to kill, rather than to simply knock and talk...
That 'raid' on his apartment probably cost the police department $20,000. It is just good luck that no one was killed.
Are you a corrupt cop trying to mislead people, or are you just completely ignorant of what you're talking about?
Neither, as it happens. I'm a convicted bank robber, arrested and questioned by local police and the FBI. Maybe you were in military law enforcement, cool. You have detention and Miranda all wrong.
I spent years behind bars reading case law and statutes. Some states have constitutions that provide more protections than the US Constitution but they're all different and I can't speak to those. I CAN speak about the way the federal system works, though.
A cop can stop you for investigation of any reasonable suspicion of a law being broken, for example a TRAFFIC STOP. This is a detention. Yet, miraculously, they never read you your rights during a traffic stop. If you admit to the cop that you were speeding (in hopes of earning leniency) and then try to fight the ticket in court you ABSOLUTELY WILL hear about your admission in court from the ticketing officer.
- first of all, the police are not obligated to read you your Miranda rights, at all.
Well, no. They aren't. But if they don't, they can't use any answers you give them in questioning against you. So, in practice, they always do. Unlike on television, they usually do this at the beginning of a custodial interview, not as they apply the cuffs. Any voluntary statements made before being Mirandized ARE ADMISSABLE, unless they are made in response to questions. If they are made in response to questions there will probably have to be an evidentiary hearing to determine admissibility.
It is in their interest to do so as soon as they detain you.
That's hilarious. They don't benefit from you shutting up, which is very common right after the Miranda warning. It is in their interest to give you as much rope as you need to hang yourself before they are required to Mirandize you in order to preserve the evidentiary value of your answers to questions. There is a whole body of law about how to tell if an interview/interrogation is inherently coercive (also, how 'custodial' it is).
I can't believe we're having this discussion.
This is a common misconception.
The Miranda warning only preserves the evidentiary value of answers you provide during 'questioning'. It is not a required element of either detention or arrest.
Cops can arrest you, cuff you, throw you in a car and cart you off to the pokey, all without Mirandizing you. They have to tell you that you are under arrest, and most places require they tell you what charges will be filed against you. Miranda doesn't come into it until someone tries to question you.
I definitely recommend that people find a lawyer and ask about required behavior and what they should do if detained/arrested. It is amazing what people don't know about the laws under which they live. It's really not like TV.
... why people don't trust the police anymore.
Soldiers in war zones treat civilians better than American cops treat U.S. citizens.
WAY too many bullshit incidents happen.
We need a far better way of vetting those officials we allow to hold enforcement offices.
Police need to understand that they are here to SERVE THE PEOPLE, not serve their need to feel superior!
Tell me, how in the world a stolen iPhone would warrant such extreme measures?!
Everyone from the warrant-issuing judge to the hand-job cops needs to be fired, labeled, and sued for this one!
Self-importance and self-indulgence is the root of ALL evil.
To be fair to everyone else with a memory longer than 5 minutes, it's not surprising you got the response you did. You usually post a bunch of crazy conservative bullshit so we expected you to 100% support the gestapo. What is surprising really is that BronsCon wasn't right there with you cheering on a bunch of libruls getting the old boot heel.
Imagine what he would have gone through if his wife didn't have that receipt. Or if she was mad at him and decided to not show it to them for a while.
Then, apple swatted a customer for buying it
There's quite a few people who know they're good people, and the police will never hassle them (even when they commit crimes, they're good people). These are the people who push for police violence, thinking it's only against bad people. They never think that they might be subject to a police error or anything.
In my experience, if someone's for law and order, they want order, and don't give a crap about the law.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
99.999% of all SWAT/no-knock raids fall under "This was clearly an incident that should have just been a knock and talk,"