22 years ago we didn't have the vast potential of distributed vomputing. Are we not living in the past with HURD?
What is the difference between a cluster of systems all running Linux.( because its a cluster you can "pretend" each node is a microkernel process of the overall O.S - grid ) and using HURD?
How would a network of HURD machines compare to the most modern mainframes and grids that we have now. I'm interested to be educated on this matter
But this comes at a tradeoff. Since the kernel is no longer running in ring0, the speed of system calls is dramatically reduced. However, because interrupts are handled in a logical manner, system responsiveness is much faster. It's a tradeoff, like most things in computer software.
Riight, so the advantage is I have to wait a much shorter amount of time to do something that will now take allot longer to do...
No, really, that does sound like there are some advantages in theory. However this rare set of theoretical advantages that I can dream up are pretty much never going to happen, making this the world's brand new obselete OS?
Exactly. Fair play to the guys that stuck at. It is at lest an implementation of what was previously a theoretical OS before. It should now be used only for educational purposes so that students can see different paradigms and see that there doesn't have to be a one size fits all OS. But thats all. I think the developers who work on it would probably be better off working on something more produvtive now..
In the U.S., most private employees can be terminated just because the emploer wants to. Absent a union or individual contract that specifieds otherwise, employees work at the pleasure of the employer.
Wtf? your employer terminates your contract. They are often evil but they haven't got into termination...yet
You're right about the second part though. We are their amusement puppets.
You made a big mistake bad mouthing us like that.
Please assort your belongings and place them in a box before you leave tomorrow. Make sure you bring your ID in tomorrow mornong or you won't be taking any of these items home with you that day or any other until you return the ID. That's right. We own them too.
Also, I am a free person with rights. I can make the rules governing my software even if they make no sense. Interesting question though? Would it be possible to get sued for using bootstrapped software you created yourself from scratch if it has no dependencies on anything except the machine it runs on, but specifically says noone in the world can use it. Could you be sued for then using your own software? Does patent law in the U.S.suck that much?
Here's one I made earlier. It would probably be taken apart by a lwyer. Just a bit of fun./* blah blah blah
Copyright (C) 2005 to infinity essreenim
This software is provided 'as-is', without any express or implied
warranty. In no event will the authors be held liable for any damages
arising from the use of this software.
Permission is granted to an elite group of people (to be known hereafter as "the elite") to use this software (to be known hereafter as "the software") only for the specific purpose of reading, copying or appending code to the software. The software can be compiled to produce binary code (hereafter known as "the binary code") on a machine (hereafter known as "the machine") but the binary code cannot then be transferred from this machine. Permission is not granted to charge a fee for the software or the binary code. Permission is not granted to use the software or the binary code with any other software (hereafter known as "other software") if a fee is charged for the other software. Permission is not granted to exchange the software or the binary code for labour or other property or intellectual property. The elite who use the software or the binary code are forbidden to use the software or the binary code for the remainder of their lifetime as a result of violating this licence.
1. The origin of this software must not be misrepresented; you must not
claim that you wrote the original software. If you use this software
in a product, an acknowledgment in the product documentation would be
appreciated but is not required.
2. Altered source versions must be plainly marked as such, and must not be
misrepresented as being the original software.
3. This notice may not be removed or altered from any source distribution.
I can't wait to see drafts, but I do also want it done right, so that the new GPL is strong enough to shove right up Darl McBride's ass.-
I don't know, tight fit.
I'm no lawyer, and before this story, I thought/still think there was nothing wrong with the GPL itself, just its compatibility with others.
I don't know what licence you want to see but I want to see a licence that, when release, it is the FINAL release period. A licence that needs no revisions. I want a completely uncompliant licence that is compatible with nothing other than itself. A licence that forces free distribution in terms of cost and statutory free rights to do what ever you want with it. A licence that forces the complete source code to be distributed with it. A licence whereby all hardware and software, and human interaction with
the licensed software must also adhere to be the same.
No companies charging for technical support relating to the software. No hardware (intel, AMD..) that is not open could be used with it. Only open architectures...
SOUNDS IMPOSSIBLE? IT IS. THATS WHY PATENTS AND COPYRIGHT SUCK. ABOLISH THEM ALL
This is a great time to sign this letter [thankpoland.info] and start sending snail mail letters to these addresses [fsf.org].
Thanks so much for that pan t hose. I weanted to thank them!
Microsoft tried to lobby our country to accpept this shitty aggreement. I would have had to abandon my citizenship..! : )
As both an Irish person and a proponent of free (as in speech) software, I am relieved about this.
Especially since Charlie McCreevy, the commissioner in question is Irish. I would have had to assasinate him if he screwed up!No, rellly.
I am proud of the job the FFII has done here too. Well done guys. Lets get it right next time...Also, thankyou Poland/Polska!!
Microsoft can rent the grid to predict the most popular desktop Linux distro in 5 years time, and then focus on incorporating it's present features into Windows and patenting any useful features for the distro in the future.
OR
they could use it to predict how dummed down people will be in 5 years and use that to push the maximum user-friendliness into Windows..
Remember the guys who used 32 FPGA boards (about $3200) in parallel to crack 40bit RFID keys. It must have taken forever to program the logic for those.
Just think, if they were able to use a grid instead?
Still, I do wonder how much freedom people will have to carry out private experiments. Not much probably...
I am, by my own admission, a noob in this area But whatever orbit Space Ship One entered (decaying orbit ?) it is still very impressive. When the Soviets put the first man in space it must have been a similar altitude (about 100KM), and that was a whole country. Space Ship One's insertion was far more elegant. I just wish Nasa would build something more worthy. There is nothing inspiring about the space shuttle or the Soyuz rockets. It was refreshing to see a small craft get into orbitr without creating enough smog pollute a small country.
where do we draw the line between complex and common?
Well, thats the whole problem in a nutshell. If only the answer was as simple and short as the question. The whole area is something I didn't take an interest in until I started to realise the consequences.
Now, I take a big interest in it. The fact that law and particularly US law is often so vague and varying from state to state makes it more of a nightmare. One little philosophy I have: If its powered directly by nature, then get your greasy patenting hands off it because it belongs to us all. i.e. windfarms, solar power, quantum mechanics...
Anyway, anything I ever created, I have included the GPL with it and I always will include either the GPL or something similar and at the very least, compatible.
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What is the difference between a cluster of systems all running Linux.( because its a cluster you can "pretend" each node is a microkernel process of the overall O.S - grid ) and using HURD?
How would a network of HURD machines compare to the most modern mainframes and grids that we have now. I'm interested to be educated on this matter
Riight, so the advantage is I have to wait a much shorter amount of time to do something that will now take allot longer to do...
No, really, that does sound like there are some advantages in theory. However this rare set of theoretical advantages that I can dream up are pretty much never going to happen, making this the world's brand new obselete OS?
Forgive my ignorance.
Wtf? your employer terminates your contract. They are often evil but they haven't got into termination...yet
You're right about the second part though. We are their amusement puppets.
You made a big mistake bad mouthing us like that. Please assort your belongings and place them in a box before you leave tomorrow. Make sure you bring your ID in tomorrow mornong or you won't be taking any of these items home with you that day or any other until you return the ID. That's right. We own them too.
Hello IO_ERROR, this is your employer speaking.
O own you. I pay you and I own your life. All your bloggs are belong to us.
Yes, you can. It's called making exceptions.
/* blah blah blah
Also, I am a free person with rights. I can make the rules governing my software even if they make no sense. Interesting question though?
Would it be possible to get sued for using bootstrapped software you created yourself from scratch if it has no dependencies on anything except the machine it runs on, but specifically says noone in the world can use it. Could you be sued for then using your own software? Does patent law in the U.S.suck that much?
Here's one I made earlier. It would probably be taken apart by a lwyer. Just a bit of fun.
Copyright (C) 2005 to infinity essreenim
This software is provided 'as-is', without any express or implied
warranty. In no event will the authors be held liable for any damages
arising from the use of this software.
Permission is granted to an elite group of people (to be known hereafter as "the elite") to use this software (to be known hereafter as "the software") only for the specific purpose of reading, copying or appending code to the software. The software can be compiled to produce binary code (hereafter known as "the binary code") on a machine (hereafter known as "the machine") but the binary code cannot then be transferred from this machine. Permission is not granted to charge a fee for the software or the binary code. Permission is not granted to use the software or the binary code with any other software (hereafter known as "other software") if a fee is charged for the other software. Permission is not granted to exchange the software or the binary code for labour or other property or intellectual property. The elite who use the software or the binary code are forbidden to use the software or the binary code for the remainder of their lifetime as a result of violating this licence.
1. The origin of this software must not be misrepresented; you must not
claim that you wrote the original software. If you use this software
in a product, an acknowledgment in the product documentation would be
appreciated but is not required.
2. Altered source versions must be plainly marked as such, and must not be
misrepresented as being the original software.
3. This notice may not be removed or altered from any source distribution.
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I'm no lawyer, and before this story, I thought/still think there was nothing wrong with the GPL itself, just its compatibility with others. I don't know what licence you want to see but I want to see a licence that, when release, it is the FINAL release period. A licence that needs no revisions. I want a completely uncompliant licence that is compatible with nothing other than itself. A licence that forces free distribution in terms of cost and statutory free rights to do what ever you want with it. A licence that forces the complete source code to be distributed with it. A licence whereby all hardware and software, and human interaction with the licensed software must also adhere to be the same.
No companies charging for technical support relating to the software. No hardware (intel, AMD..) that is not open could be used with it. Only open architectures...
SOUNDS IMPOSSIBLE? IT IS. THATS WHY PATENTS AND COPYRIGHT SUCK. ABOLISH THEM ALL
Yeah, all obes people should be forced to eat their words!
the patriot act is weary of you!
Thanks so much for that pan t hose. I weanted to thank them! Microsoft tried to lobby our country to accpept this shitty aggreement. I would have had to abandon my citizenship..! : )
I am proud of the job the FFII has done here too. Well done guys. Lets get it right next time...Also, thankyou Poland/Polska!!
OR
they could use it to predict how dummed down people will be in 5 years and use that to push the maximum user-friendliness into Windows..
Ohhh, I'm just joking really....
Still, I do wonder how much freedom people will have to carry out private experiments. Not much probably...
Talk about making things turn out _exactly_..thats not what I typed..
No, not if the hardware is open source. Quite the opposite. I would like to see a completely open, transparent system - both h/w and s/w
No, not if the hardwar is open source. Quite the opposite. I would like to see a completely transpar
That happens in almost everything. People have an association of work with the product of...their work. Go figure.
move along now..
I for one welcome our new penisbird overlord ...wtf, you are high on your own urine fumes.
Well, let the WMD acronym diappear forever anyway.
Afterall, there is no such thing na dif there is the context of the word mass needs to be clearly defined. Is it a mass destructive quotient?
Is it the approximate mass in tones of damage to property?
Or is it merely mass hysteria and cynicism?
I think it's the latter.
Afterall, nuclear power CAN only exist because of the atomic nuclear potential within the nucleus of an atom, and our sun is a nuclear reactor.
Lets pay attention to making our foes friends
Officially: A friend who lives in a Mexian dwelling (also known to you or I as a house.
Unofficially: It was a typo. I meant Mexico dwelling friend.
Be nice.
Well, thats the whole problem in a nutshell. If only the answer was as simple and short as the question. The whole area is something I didn't take an interest in until I started to realise the consequences.
Now, I take a big interest in it. The fact that law and particularly US law is often so vague and varying from state to state makes it more of a nightmare. One little philosophy I have: If its powered directly by nature, then get your greasy patenting hands off it because it belongs to us all. i.e. windfarms, solar power, quantum mechanics ...
Anyway, anything I ever created, I have included the GPL with it and I always will include either the GPL or something similar and at the very least, compatible.
What about theta g33k5?