You know....Lego was one of the first toy makers to go into robotics and do it well. Here's hoping Lego is still around to go into BioBricks and that one day my kids will be able to go to Toys R Us and pick up a Lego Nano Kit.
Aight troll, I'll bite, but only to clear up this misunderstanding of what the difference between advertisers and marketers is, since you obviously have no clue, and only seek to attempt to spread your stupidity.
It's very simple actually, people in advertising (not advertisers, those are people who pay for the services of ad agencies) work on their agency's side. People in marketing work on the client (advertiser's) side.
That's the only real difference. It's a simple matter of agency vs client side.
I never said advertising was used for something other than marketing purposes. If you had read my post, you would see my point was that I am in advertising, not marketing, and that there is indeed a difference between the two.
This is slashdot, since when WASN'T it acceptable to not RTFA? My comment was based on the image itself, not the article.
And whats the point of making such judgemental comments about my post without first reading it correctly?
You are correct in that I did not RTFA, just looked at the image and read the summary. However, as you pointed out, the summary was wrong.
You are correct that given its educational slant, this might be more acceptable. However, if they were to read the same summary I did, I'm sure they wouldn't have picked up on that simple message either, as it was not in the summary.
First off, I'm in advertising, which is different than marketing, I suggest you look up the difference some time. As I stated, I didn't catch the subtlety that the mascot is for a subproject of OO because it was not in the summary and I did not RTFA.
Nobody said geeks knew anything about advertising...
And no, this isn't flamebait, this is an observation made by someone who is in the advertising industry.
If OO wants to have a shot at gaining more credibility in the business world, this logo is not the way to do it.
While I most certainly respect the creativity and thoughtfulness that went into this...corporations won't "buy" into the cute, loveable image. They want something that looks a tad more professional. Even the Linux penguin looks much more cleancut in this. So, perhaps the concept for the logo has some potential, but this current crude implementation does not.
It is things like these that make me wish I were back in school in one of these programs.
I just called my little brother up and told him to IMMEDIATELY let me know if they start anything like that at his school. I told him why what they are doing is wrong (he didn't see a problem with a company paying to have their corporate interests taught as lesson in school), and that I would give him a list of questions/topics to bring up in class if they tried to push any of this stuff on him.
So what sorts of questions/comments would you guys bring up if you were in this class, if you wanted to poke holes in it and rally the class behind you?
What a troll. First off, it doesn't matter what the majority of the traffic is used for. If even one person uses it for transferring a file legally, it has a legit use. Period.
Also, you seem to be ignoring the MASSIVE anime community presence on IRC. If anything rivals the porn and warez traders, its the anime traders, and I've got news for ya, if its not licensed in the US, its alright to trade it.
I only use IRC for anime currently, so there's your legit use for it troll.
"Sure, we can say that Google has integrated advertising within the search results, but the advertising model has always proven to be of dubious effectiveness at best."
Correction, the ad model has proven to be of dubious effectiveness with companies that have no credibility.
Google is perhaps the most trusted company on the net today, and with the traffic they get, I'm not surprised at all that they can support all their financial needs with ad revenue, especially with some of the big bucks that large companies dump into advertising with Google. I challenge you to show evidence showing that their advertising business model cannot support their costs, because so far you've done nothing but toss up tin-foil hat ideas without any proof to back it up, and as someone else so kindly pointed out to you, Google is ALREADY in the black.
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'With Google, their entire "business" - their means of generating cash flow - relies on sheer quantity of computing muscle and high performance software for their search databases."
Actually, their means of generating cash flow relies on how beneficial advertisers feel it is to advertise on Google.
'Secondly, *everyone* has something to hide. Everyone. It may not be something criminal, it may not be something wrong, it may even be something you have no logical reason you want to keep to yourself, but you still have a whole raft of things you don't want the policeman who has just randomly stopped you to know."
It may not be something criminal YET is a key point as well. Laws have a tendency to slide down the slippery slope, and the less the government knows about me the better. I don't want them having it on their records that I downloaded an MP3, and then all of a sudden whilst running my plates a cop arrests me because they had that info in their database.
I personally want to make a poster of IBMs legal team for this case. Anybody have any idea where I could get pictures of them, and contact information?
Perhaps they are one of the few companies that realize that it is GOOD BUSINESS PRACTICE to treat customers and potential customers well. IBMs been around long enough to hopefully recognize the impact of long term decisions compared to the short term ones many companies are making these days.
In an age when corporations are considered as evil as terrorists, IBM is quickly positioning itself to be the caring father figure who will watch out for us, and that is a DAMN good position to be in.
Listen up troll, companies NEED people to pirate their software.
Yeah, you heard me right. Adobe would be nowhere near what they are today if Photoshop wasn't one of the most pirated pieces of software on the net.
You see, people in college download a copy...learn how to use it...do their assignments with it, etc.
Now, they go on to become a graphic designer for some company. Well, that company sure as hell doesn't want to get sued, and will be more than happy to purchase a license.
You see, what you fail to realize is that its not Joe Consumer that makes companies big profits, its their B2B contracts that rake it in. The software being pirated by regular people could be considered viral marketing and likened to a fully functional demo, with the expectation that once you use it for work you intent to sell, or when you use it for a company, you pay up. THAT is the way the world works, like it or not.
Right, because I'm sure every person in the organizations responsible for handling this are trained to "hunt" criminals that hurt people. You need to realize there are different branches of law enforcement, different specialties, and most importantly, a limited number of people who are qualified to handle that sort of thing.
Actually, one could argue that people buying things like bottled water are paying for the convenience of being able to carry the closeable bottle around.
Actually, you are completely right, and I had actually wanted to add that to the end of my initial post but forgot.
I was just looking at this thinking....there weren't a handful of rooms on these suckers, they were HUGE! They had huge launchbays that could hold shuttles and squads of tie fighters.
The real money would come from charging a fee everytime you order a beer on campus. They could make up the money REAL quick depending on how thirsty people are.
I know you were just giving a "whatif" scenario, but if I was paying a monthly fee for this game, and had spent a lot of time/money building up my character, I would be SERIOUSLY pissed, and would most likely just cancel my subscription to that particular MMORPG and find another one.
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It's very simple actually, people in advertising (not advertisers, those are people who pay for the services of ad agencies) work on their agency's side. People in marketing work on the client (advertiser's) side.
That's the only real difference. It's a simple matter of agency vs client side.
This is slashdot, since when WASN'T it acceptable to not RTFA? My comment was based on the image itself, not the article.
And whats the point of making such judgemental comments about my post without first reading it correctly?
You are correct that given its educational slant, this might be more acceptable. However, if they were to read the same summary I did, I'm sure they wouldn't have picked up on that simple message either, as it was not in the summary.
First off, I'm in advertising, which is different than marketing, I suggest you look up the difference some time. As I stated, I didn't catch the subtlety that the mascot is for a subproject of OO because it was not in the summary and I did not RTFA.
If anybody has seen Macross Plus, they know the YF-21 had wings like this.
They're already working on powered body armor and brain controlled computers, what other tech from anime will we see soon.
And no, this isn't flamebait, this is an observation made by someone who is in the advertising industry.
If OO wants to have a shot at gaining more credibility in the business world, this logo is not the way to do it.
While I most certainly respect the creativity and thoughtfulness that went into this...corporations won't "buy" into the cute, loveable image. They want something that looks a tad more professional. Even the Linux penguin looks much more cleancut in this. So, perhaps the concept for the logo has some potential, but this current crude implementation does not.
I just called my little brother up and told him to IMMEDIATELY let me know if they start anything like that at his school. I told him why what they are doing is wrong (he didn't see a problem with a company paying to have their corporate interests taught as lesson in school), and that I would give him a list of questions/topics to bring up in class if they tried to push any of this stuff on him.
So what sorts of questions/comments would you guys bring up if you were in this class, if you wanted to poke holes in it and rally the class behind you?
Also, you seem to be ignoring the MASSIVE anime community presence on IRC. If anything rivals the porn and warez traders, its the anime traders, and I've got news for ya, if its not licensed in the US, its alright to trade it.
I only use IRC for anime currently, so there's your legit use for it troll.
Correction, the ad model has proven to be of dubious effectiveness with companies that have no credibility.
Google is perhaps the most trusted company on the net today, and with the traffic they get, I'm not surprised at all that they can support all their financial needs with ad revenue, especially with some of the big bucks that large companies dump into advertising with Google. I challenge you to show evidence showing that their advertising business model cannot support their costs, because so far you've done nothing but toss up tin-foil hat ideas without any proof to back it up, and as someone else so kindly pointed out to you, Google is ALREADY in the black.
Actually, their means of generating cash flow relies on how beneficial advertisers feel it is to advertise on Google.
It may not be something criminal YET is a key point as well. Laws have a tendency to slide down the slippery slope, and the less the government knows about me the better. I don't want them having it on their records that I downloaded an MP3, and then all of a sudden whilst running my plates a cop arrests me because they had that info in their database.
Enjoy.
If anybody happens to have a link to a picture of the actual plans, I would be QUITE interested in getting a look at those.
Do you really think this will stop IBM from going after them?
If you poke the 800lb gorilla in the ass with a pointed stick, he won't just forget about you if you throw away the stick.
In an age when corporations are considered as evil as terrorists, IBM is quickly positioning itself to be the caring father figure who will watch out for us, and that is a DAMN good position to be in.
Yeah, you heard me right. Adobe would be nowhere near what they are today if Photoshop wasn't one of the most pirated pieces of software on the net.
You see, people in college download a copy...learn how to use it...do their assignments with it, etc.
Now, they go on to become a graphic designer for some company. Well, that company sure as hell doesn't want to get sued, and will be more than happy to purchase a license.
You see, what you fail to realize is that its not Joe Consumer that makes companies big profits, its their B2B contracts that rake it in. The software being pirated by regular people could be considered viral marketing and likened to a fully functional demo, with the expectation that once you use it for work you intent to sell, or when you use it for a company, you pay up. THAT is the way the world works, like it or not.
I was just looking at this thinking....there weren't a handful of rooms on these suckers, they were HUGE! They had huge launchbays that could hold shuttles and squads of tie fighters.
1)Waste hours of life building scale star-destroyer model. /. with link to auction
2)Post star-destroyer for sale on ebay.
3)Post story on
4)PROFIT!!!!
Now before you mod me flamebait, realize this is a joke, and dammit I want one of these, but am both too poor and too lazy to ever have one.