This may seem like a stupid question, but I'll ask it anyway.
When I count, I see the username and password as two factors. The factors, as I understand it, should be a combination of something you have (CAC, ATM card), know (username, password), and are (retina scan, fingerprint, voice pattern). Using that definition, username and password are two factors. It's quite possible to have a single factor, i.e. password only to log in on a device. A smart phone is a perfect example. You have your PIN, but no user name. On your computer, typically you have to put in your username (first factor) and your password (second factor). Adding a biometric like thumbprint, voice, retina, etc. would be an additional factor, making it three factor authentication.
Maybe I'm just being thick, or have completely misunderstood what's going on here with the naming, but this seems like they're looking at three factor authentication. Since initially writing this, after hitting the preview button, I've looked at the wikipedia page on 2FA/MFA/TFA and find the moniker to still be incorrect in this application.
Am I thinking too hard about this? Is it really simpler than I think it is? (Please be kind in your application of the clue bat.)
I started playing CSR Racing. It burns through a "tank" of fuel in 10 minutes, it's free, and as long as you have your headphones on, you look like you're really intently working on something.
To be clear, it's not a great game. It's still a short distraction and is fun for those few minutes.
My actual favorite, as in while I'm waiting for the "tank" to fill up again, is going for a walk. It sounds goofy, but I actually enjoy just walking out the front door to check the mail. I live in a warm climate so it's possible to do this any time of the year.
Unfortunately, TV and film have filled us with bad terminology. This is about a magazine. A clip is a completely different thing.
Magazines hold multiple rounds. They're typically enclosed for protection from dust and dirt, and are inserted into a firearm through a receiving slot. Magazines are used in semi-automatic pistols like your average Glock, Sig Sauer, Walther, etc. They're also used in rifles like the M-16 or AR-15.
Clips hold two rounds together in a belt fed weapon, like the M-60. They're typically fed from an ammunition box or other container. The clips are expelled after running through the weapon. The expulsion is similar to the way the brass casings are expelled. It's basically a small curved springy piece of metal holding two rounds together.
The names are not interchangeable. There's no such thing as a 30 round clip. It's a 30 round magazine.
During takeoff and landing I want passenger attention focused on following instructions in the unlikely event of a problem, not zoning out with headphones stuck in their ears.
You have a few problems with this argument.
1. Headphones, or earplugs as you might call them when there's nothing playing through them, are very effective in helping you hear in a high noise situation, like a crashing aircraft with a hole in the skin. 2. Books and magazines are perfectly fine to be read during announcements, and are just as distracting as an e-reader/iPad/Kindle.
Also, there is not cumulative effect from the devices. One device causes just as much interference as 200. With typically triple-redundant (or more) systems on a commercial airliner, you're not in danger from an iPad being powered up on board. Just think how easy it would be for a terrorist to take over a plane. "Fly me to Cuba or I'l power up my iPhone!!!"
Someone please ask the pink weasels to stop farting. Actually, to be politically correct, just ask all the weasels to stop farting. No need to single out the pink ones.
And to that, weasels are just people who fart on airplanes and look around at their neighbor to seemingly accuse them of having let it go. I didn't do it!!
I was scanning through this thread to see if anyone would post the comment I wanted to make. I can finally stop scanning the thread.
I really wish, being from Germany, the people in the US, where I live now, had a tenth of the knowledge about driving we do in Germany. The driver education in the US is a complete joke.
Use a turn signal. Turn off your turn signal when you're done with the maneuver Accelerate (or decelerate) to the speed of the traffic you're attempting to merge with. Stay in the right lane unless you're actively passing someone. Vehicles on the right at an uncontrolled intersection have the right of way. Traffic circles are the exception to the vehicle on the right rule. Come to a complete stop at a stop sign before proceeding, or at a red light before proceeding right or left where allowed.
Those simple rules are ones I see broken here due to sheer laziness and ignorance. A marked police car behind someone will greatly improve the majority of those infractions. It's very frustrating for someone who came from another country where driver training is so highly regarded. If I were to see a single day where everyone followed these simple rules, I think I would actually find it pleasurable to drive here.
To borrow a line from Fats Domino, ain't that a shame that/.ers can't find anything better to do than slam Apple's success. Not too long ago, Apple was as doomed as BSD.
Apple Enterprise does exist. It's much smaller than Apple Education, but it's not exactly tiny. Sure, the territories are quite vast, but it appears they're covering it very well. Between channel sales and direct, the numbers being put down by Apple are quite impressive. I'd guess the majority of the bump here is from the channel. That part of the organization is well funded and extremely well supported. The management there is strong and willing to do what it takes. The direct sales organization is newly reorganized as of about a year ago. It appears that reorganization is doing well under the new leadership, and they have been aligned under the VP for channel sales. This was obviously a good move for Apple.
As for Enterprise Support, it also exists. I don't know a lot about the structure of it, but I do know whenever I called for support, it was very good. I've had changes made to software, replacement hardware, and always a friendly and knowledgeable person on the phone instead of just a screen reader. Apple's support is impressive. You have to pay for it, but most good things are that way.
So if I understand this correctly, the scanners don't expose you to more than you'd normally get in a day. However, it does it in 10 seconds or less.
To put this in perspective, if I shower for 10 minutes on average, and I find a machine that can blast the water at me in 1/1000th of a second would be good? I think I'd be missing skin among other things.
How about the fact that I've now doubled the normal radiation in just 10 seconds? If I have to go out to another terminal in an airport where the terminals aren't connected (like many of my connections through Logan), I now get triple? If I fly back in the same day, add at least two more hits.
Going through these things doesn't keep the normal radiation from happening, so you end up with twice as much. It seems this might be a less than good thing.
When the pictures come from The National Enquirer, you really need to consider the source. Also, the doctor making this prognosis was doing so based on the pictures. Didn't we all jump on the idiot in Congress a few years ago for diagnosing that woman in Florida using a short video clip?
Let's take this to a conspiracy level and say people are putting out this news to get the stock price to drop a bit so they can snap it up and wait for the retraction of the article and the stock goes back up, they make a pretty penny.
I can attest to the fact that these tests are not at all random. Having flown all over the world with differing situations, it's clear these searches are done based on specific circumstances.
A few years ago, my girlfriend's mother died. She flew home immediately. The ticket was purchased, and she flew the next day. It was a one way ticket. She got searched.
A few days later, I flew down to attend the funeral and help with clearing out the house. My ticket was purchased, and I flew the next day. My ticket was round trip, but I had only carry-on bags. I got searched. Had the search been any more thorough, they should have bought me dinner first. At least they could have bought me flowers.
Another incident, my girlfriend and I flew to Atlanta for a friend's wedding. The trip down was fine. No search at all. On the way back, we upgraded our tickets to first class. We got a screening, but no search. This was good as it put us in a faster line. I guess that one was for a good purpose. Some people were there who were actually being screened for a reason. We were whisked through. It was actually kind of nice since there were no probes. The only thing was we got wanded. Not a big deal, but it did seem excessive since the standing magnetometer unit didn't buzz on us.
I just flew out to CA last week. The flight arrangements were made by our corporate travel office. Everything was done several weeks in advance. There was no search. Last Christmas, I flew out to Vail with my girlfriend. The arrangements were made several weeks in advance. There was no search. For my birthday last year, my girlfriend took me to Las Vegas. The tickets were purchased several weeks in advance. There was no search.
I'm not the only person I know who has had similar findings. I've talked to many other people with the same experiences.
As it says in the article, some people in the corporate world won't do it if the patch didn't come from MS. It's sad, really. If I had an exploitable machine around, I would trust their patch.
A while back, I had to change careers. The bottom fell out of the market for what I was doing before (audio engineering). I was able to take my UNIX skills and pick up a new career where I left off.
About 15 years ago, I was living in Germany working at a post production studio. The graphics department used SGI hardware along with some amazing software. One Friday evening, as I was finishing up and about to go home, someone stuck their head in the control room where I was cutting some ADR for a film (German voices to replace the English). They asked me if I spoke English. Having lived in the US for about 18 years prior to that, I was able to say I was extremely comfortable with the language. Luckily, I also could speak some "tech". SGI's office was closed for the weekend, and they didn't know how to get any other tech support. I sat down with the manual (in English) and fixed the problem with the machine. From then on, I was hooked.
I started learning about all sorts of UNIX-like systems, but SGI is what saved me. When the bottom dropped out of the market, I was able to take my skills in UNIX and experience with SGI systems (albeit in broadcast facilities), and get a job working as a contractor at the NIH on a project where they had about 10 SGI systems ranging from an Origin 3400 to a little O2. I even have an O2 at home on my network there just so I could break it there before I screwed it up at work. =-)
I've been watching this Titanic go down for several years. It has been a long slow death. Now, I hope someone like Apple picks them up and uses their technologies to help better their own products. I'd love to see the Apple Store with a new listing next to the Xserve; the Gserve. 512 POWER5 (yeah yeah...Intel, blah blah) processors, massive disk array, and three steps to get it working:
1. Deploy it in your server room.
2. ????
3. Arrrrrrrrrrgh...I can't do it!!!
Seriously, I'd love to see something like this. It could really help to boost Apple and keep the "legend" of SGI around for a long time to come.
I wonder if I should be scooping up some SGI stock about now so I can sell it to Apple for the buyout. Now, where did I put that crystal ball?
If they offered more than what they have, I imagine they would have made this point much faster. I would have bought stuff, but they didn't have any shows I actually wanted to see.
I love it when Google goes out of their way to make a special version of their logo for special days like today. Michelangelo's birthday was a good one as well as DaVinci's. Of course they did a Christmas one and Easter (I think). I find it simply amazing they missed this one. To borrow a line from "A Fish Called Wanda":
Disappointed!!
What was that thing in the middle? About the police?
I know I'm picking nits here, but technically, Marketplace is not an NPR product. It's American Public Media (and used to be Minnesota Public Radio IIRC) and is distributed by Public Radio International.
True, almost all the outlets for it are considered "NPR stations". However, it's not really accurate to call it that.
If you want to hear Marketplace without using iTunes, you can get the streams from their site:
Inigo Montoya: He's dead. He can't talk. Miracle Max: Whoo-hoo-hoo, look who knows so much. It just so happens that your friend here is only MOSTLY dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do. Inigo Montoya: What's that? Miracle Max: Go through his clothes and look for loose change.
I think the author meant Cadillac. It seems strange since I'd rather have a luxury (note the spelling) Toyota (a.k.a. Lexus) than a Cadillac. As competitors (note the spelling) go, Cadillac doesn't have a very good record. The resale value alone would send me screaming from the showroom.
Again, the general level of understanding about how it's done is incredibly low. The artists are paid once the record company is reimbursed.
True, there is a formula to find out how often a particular song is played and how much of the whole kitty should go to each artist based on the sales/airplay of their songs. For sales, it's fairly straightforward. You get a percentage of either net or gross depending on your contract. That's easy to track. For airplay, it's a bit more ethereal. The radio stations get their ratings share and there's a fuzzy number of listeners at any given time. This part is truly fuzzy since you don't know for a fact exactly how many people are listening. You have to guess, but it's an extremely educated guess, although that's easily arguable. The same applies to television play. For example, on American Idol, George Benson performed (part of) "On Broadway". The show had, for argument's sake, 15 million viewers. George would get paid for performing the song to 15 million people. There may have been 19 million since there were parties to watch the final show and you don't know how many people were visiting the household to watch. He got cheated. But then again, it could have been that of the 6 people living in the house, only two were watching with two other friends. The actual numbers were closer to 13 milliion. He made out like a thief. It's fuzzy...and accepted. You can't go out and monitor every person's TV viewing. Sales on the other hand are very easy to track.
As Einstein said, "I never teach my pupils; I only attempt to provide the conditions in which they can learn." Sadly, it seems nobody wants to learn. You're all too busy spewing the incorrect informaition you've been force fed all along. I used to think the same thing you did. Hell, I used to think the bands were hanging out at the radio station and they played when the DJ pointed to them. But I've learned since then. I opened my mind to new ideas, and through that, realized the truth. The DJ doesn't point to the band. He pushes a button on the cart machine (or remote start on the console). The artist do get paid when they've paid back their debt to the record company. The method isn't perfect, but it's pretty good. The (successful) artists aren't complaining too much. (Insert standard disclaimer about rare exceptions.)
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This may seem like a stupid question, but I'll ask it anyway.
When I count, I see the username and password as two factors. The factors, as I understand it, should be a combination of something you have (CAC, ATM card), know (username, password), and are (retina scan, fingerprint, voice pattern). Using that definition, username and password are two factors. It's quite possible to have a single factor, i.e. password only to log in on a device. A smart phone is a perfect example. You have your PIN, but no user name. On your computer, typically you have to put in your username (first factor) and your password (second factor). Adding a biometric like thumbprint, voice, retina, etc. would be an additional factor, making it three factor authentication.
Maybe I'm just being thick, or have completely misunderstood what's going on here with the naming, but this seems like they're looking at three factor authentication. Since initially writing this, after hitting the preview button, I've looked at the wikipedia page on 2FA/MFA/TFA and find the moniker to still be incorrect in this application.
Am I thinking too hard about this? Is it really simpler than I think it is? (Please be kind in your application of the clue bat.)
I started playing CSR Racing. It burns through a "tank" of fuel in 10 minutes, it's free, and as long as you have your headphones on, you look like you're really intently working on something.
To be clear, it's not a great game. It's still a short distraction and is fun for those few minutes.
My actual favorite, as in while I'm waiting for the "tank" to fill up again, is going for a walk. It sounds goofy, but I actually enjoy just walking out the front door to check the mail. I live in a warm climate so it's possible to do this any time of the year.
Unfortunately, TV and film have filled us with bad terminology. This is about a magazine. A clip is a completely different thing.
Magazines hold multiple rounds. They're typically enclosed for protection from dust and dirt, and are inserted into a firearm through a receiving slot. Magazines are used in semi-automatic pistols like your average Glock, Sig Sauer, Walther, etc. They're also used in rifles like the M-16 or AR-15.
Clips hold two rounds together in a belt fed weapon, like the M-60. They're typically fed from an ammunition box or other container. The clips are expelled after running through the weapon. The expulsion is similar to the way the brass casings are expelled. It's basically a small curved springy piece of metal holding two rounds together.
The names are not interchangeable. There's no such thing as a 30 round clip. It's a 30 round magazine.
During takeoff and landing I want passenger attention focused on following instructions in the unlikely event of a problem, not zoning out with headphones stuck in their ears.
You have a few problems with this argument.
1. Headphones, or earplugs as you might call them when there's nothing playing through them, are very effective in helping you hear in a high noise situation, like a crashing aircraft with a hole in the skin.
2. Books and magazines are perfectly fine to be read during announcements, and are just as distracting as an e-reader/iPad/Kindle.
Also, there is not cumulative effect from the devices. One device causes just as much interference as 200. With typically triple-redundant (or more) systems on a commercial airliner, you're not in danger from an iPad being powered up on board. Just think how easy it would be for a terrorist to take over a plane. "Fly me to Cuba or I'l power up my iPhone!!!"
Someone please ask the pink weasels to stop farting. Actually, to be politically correct, just ask all the weasels to stop farting. No need to single out the pink ones.
And to that, weasels are just people who fart on airplanes and look around at their neighbor to seemingly accuse them of having let it go. I didn't do it!!
I was scanning through this thread to see if anyone would post the comment I wanted to make. I can finally stop scanning the thread.
I really wish, being from Germany, the people in the US, where I live now, had a tenth of the knowledge about driving we do in Germany. The driver education in the US is a complete joke.
Use a turn signal.
Turn off your turn signal when you're done with the maneuver
Accelerate (or decelerate) to the speed of the traffic you're attempting to merge with.
Stay in the right lane unless you're actively passing someone.
Vehicles on the right at an uncontrolled intersection have the right of way.
Traffic circles are the exception to the vehicle on the right rule.
Come to a complete stop at a stop sign before proceeding, or at a red light before proceeding right or left where allowed.
Those simple rules are ones I see broken here due to sheer laziness and ignorance. A marked police car behind someone will greatly improve the majority of those infractions. It's very frustrating for someone who came from another country where driver training is so highly regarded. If I were to see a single day where everyone followed these simple rules, I think I would actually find it pleasurable to drive here.
To borrow a line from Fats Domino, ain't that a shame that /.ers can't find anything better to do than slam Apple's success. Not too long ago, Apple was as doomed as BSD.
Apple Enterprise does exist. It's much smaller than Apple Education, but it's not exactly tiny. Sure, the territories are quite vast, but it appears they're covering it very well. Between channel sales and direct, the numbers being put down by Apple are quite impressive. I'd guess the majority of the bump here is from the channel. That part of the organization is well funded and extremely well supported. The management there is strong and willing to do what it takes. The direct sales organization is newly reorganized as of about a year ago. It appears that reorganization is doing well under the new leadership, and they have been aligned under the VP for channel sales. This was obviously a good move for Apple.
As for Enterprise Support, it also exists. I don't know a lot about the structure of it, but I do know whenever I called for support, it was very good. I've had changes made to software, replacement hardware, and always a friendly and knowledgeable person on the phone instead of just a screen reader. Apple's support is impressive. You have to pay for it, but most good things are that way.
So if I understand this correctly, the scanners don't expose you to more than you'd normally get in a day. However, it does it in 10 seconds or less.
To put this in perspective, if I shower for 10 minutes on average, and I find a machine that can blast the water at me in 1/1000th of a second would be good? I think I'd be missing skin among other things.
How about the fact that I've now doubled the normal radiation in just 10 seconds? If I have to go out to another terminal in an airport where the terminals aren't connected (like many of my connections through Logan), I now get triple? If I fly back in the same day, add at least two more hits.
Going through these things doesn't keep the normal radiation from happening, so you end up with twice as much. It seems this might be a less than good thing.
I literally did a facepalm when I saw this. The only reason I was going to post was to make the same observation.
The restore of the Postfix config I did last week would tend to be strong evidence against your stance.
I for one welcome our new InterPlanetary Internet overlords.
Am I really going to click the Post button on this one? Ugh!
When the pictures come from The National Enquirer, you really need to consider the source. Also, the doctor making this prognosis was doing so based on the pictures. Didn't we all jump on the idiot in Congress a few years ago for diagnosing that woman in Florida using a short video clip?
Let's take this to a conspiracy level and say people are putting out this news to get the stock price to drop a bit so they can snap it up and wait for the retraction of the article and the stock goes back up, they make a pretty penny.
I can attest to the fact that these tests are not at all random. Having flown all over the world with differing situations, it's clear these searches are done based on specific circumstances.
A few years ago, my girlfriend's mother died. She flew home immediately. The ticket was purchased, and she flew the next day. It was a one way ticket. She got searched.
A few days later, I flew down to attend the funeral and help with clearing out the house. My ticket was purchased, and I flew the next day. My ticket was round trip, but I had only carry-on bags. I got searched. Had the search been any more thorough, they should have bought me dinner first. At least they could have bought me flowers.
Another incident, my girlfriend and I flew to Atlanta for a friend's wedding. The trip down was fine. No search at all. On the way back, we upgraded our tickets to first class. We got a screening, but no search. This was good as it put us in a faster line. I guess that one was for a good purpose. Some people were there who were actually being screened for a reason. We were whisked through. It was actually kind of nice since there were no probes. The only thing was we got wanded. Not a big deal, but it did seem excessive since the standing magnetometer unit didn't buzz on us.
I just flew out to CA last week. The flight arrangements were made by our corporate travel office. Everything was done several weeks in advance. There was no search. Last Christmas, I flew out to Vail with my girlfriend. The arrangements were made several weeks in advance. There was no search. For my birthday last year, my girlfriend took me to Las Vegas. The tickets were purchased several weeks in advance. There was no search.
I'm not the only person I know who has had similar findings. I've talked to many other people with the same experiences.
Random? Hardly!
Is that like Gunfight at the OK Corral or Deliverance (Dueling Banjos)?
This conjures up images I can't even begin to describe adequately in the space given.
Sorry...couldn't resist that one. GRIN
It was only a matter of time before Apple got pissed. If you didn't see this coming, it's time for new glasses.
As it says in the article, some people in the corporate world won't do it if the patch didn't come from MS. It's sad, really. If I had an exploitable machine around, I would trust their patch.
A while back, I had to change careers. The bottom fell out of the market for what I was doing before (audio engineering). I was able to take my UNIX skills and pick up a new career where I left off.
About 15 years ago, I was living in Germany working at a post production studio. The graphics department used SGI hardware along with some amazing software. One Friday evening, as I was finishing up and about to go home, someone stuck their head in the control room where I was cutting some ADR for a film (German voices to replace the English). They asked me if I spoke English. Having lived in the US for about 18 years prior to that, I was able to say I was extremely comfortable with the language. Luckily, I also could speak some "tech". SGI's office was closed for the weekend, and they didn't know how to get any other tech support. I sat down with the manual (in English) and fixed the problem with the machine. From then on, I was hooked.
I started learning about all sorts of UNIX-like systems, but SGI is what saved me. When the bottom dropped out of the market, I was able to take my skills in UNIX and experience with SGI systems (albeit in broadcast facilities), and get a job working as a contractor at the NIH on a project where they had about 10 SGI systems ranging from an Origin 3400 to a little O2. I even have an O2 at home on my network there just so I could break it there before I screwed it up at work. =-)
I've been watching this Titanic go down for several years. It has been a long slow death. Now, I hope someone like Apple picks them up and uses their technologies to help better their own products. I'd love to see the Apple Store with a new listing next to the Xserve; the Gserve. 512 POWER5 (yeah yeah...Intel, blah blah) processors, massive disk array, and three steps to get it working:
1. Deploy it in your server room.
2. ????
3. Arrrrrrrrrrgh...I can't do it!!!
Seriously, I'd love to see something like this. It could really help to boost Apple and keep the "legend" of SGI around for a long time to come.
I wonder if I should be scooping up some SGI stock about now so I can sell it to Apple for the buyout. Now, where did I put that crystal ball?
If they offered more than what they have, I imagine they would have made this point much faster. I would have bought stuff, but they didn't have any shows I actually wanted to see.
Blazing Saddles - "Excuse me while I whip this out."
I use this one almost daily. And also:
"It's twue! It's twue!"
I love it when Google goes out of their way to make a special version of their logo for special days like today. Michelangelo's birthday was a good one as well as DaVinci's. Of course they did a Christmas one and Easter (I think). I find it simply amazing they missed this one. To borrow a line from "A Fish Called Wanda":
Disappointed!!
What was that thing in the middle? About the police?
Oh wait...the police line doesn't work here. =-)
I know I'm picking nits here, but technically, Marketplace is not an NPR product. It's American Public Media (and used to be Minnesota Public Radio IIRC) and is distributed by Public Radio International.
True, almost all the outlets for it are considered "NPR stations". However, it's not really accurate to call it that.
If you want to hear Marketplace without using iTunes, you can get the streams from their site:
http://www.marketplace.org/
Anybody want a peanut?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!
Please make it stop!
Inigo Montoya: He's dead. He can't talk.
Miracle Max: Whoo-hoo-hoo, look who knows so much. It just so happens that your friend here is only MOSTLY dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do.
Inigo Montoya: What's that?
Miracle Max: Go through his clothes and look for loose change.
I think the author meant Cadillac. It seems strange since I'd rather have a luxury (note the spelling) Toyota (a.k.a. Lexus) than a Cadillac. As competitors (note the spelling) go, Cadillac doesn't have a very good record. The resale value alone would send me screaming from the showroom.
Again, the general level of understanding about how it's done is incredibly low. The artists are paid once the record company is reimbursed.
True, there is a formula to find out how often a particular song is played and how much of the whole kitty should go to each artist based on the sales/airplay of their songs. For sales, it's fairly straightforward. You get a percentage of either net or gross depending on your contract. That's easy to track. For airplay, it's a bit more ethereal. The radio stations get their ratings share and there's a fuzzy number of listeners at any given time. This part is truly fuzzy since you don't know for a fact exactly how many people are listening. You have to guess, but it's an extremely educated guess, although that's easily arguable. The same applies to television play. For example, on American Idol, George Benson performed (part of) "On Broadway". The show had, for argument's sake, 15 million viewers. George would get paid for performing the song to 15 million people. There may have been 19 million since there were parties to watch the final show and you don't know how many people were visiting the household to watch. He got cheated. But then again, it could have been that of the 6 people living in the house, only two were watching with two other friends. The actual numbers were closer to 13 milliion. He made out like a thief. It's fuzzy...and accepted. You can't go out and monitor every person's TV viewing. Sales on the other hand are very easy to track.
As Einstein said, "I never teach my pupils; I only attempt to provide the conditions in which they can learn." Sadly, it seems nobody wants to learn. You're all too busy spewing the incorrect informaition you've been force fed all along. I used to think the same thing you did. Hell, I used to think the bands were hanging out at the radio station and they played when the DJ pointed to them. But I've learned since then. I opened my mind to new ideas, and through that, realized the truth. The DJ doesn't point to the band. He pushes a button on the cart machine (or remote start on the console). The artist do get paid when they've paid back their debt to the record company. The method isn't perfect, but it's pretty good. The (successful) artists aren't complaining too much. (Insert standard disclaimer about rare exceptions.)