is linux not a work in progress? isn't ALL software these days not a work in progress? That's a GOOD thing. software design can respond to user experience and feedback, and move with the times. That's called running a software business responsibly. Face it, if linus stated this everyone would triumph it as showing that linux moved with the times, and was better than monolithic old vista. This is a poor, half assed attempt to bash microsoft by the fanboys.
how can you possibly claim that file sharing doesn't come under the 'economy' tag? Billions of dollars are spent on digital products, and on products that are increasingly becoming digital ocer time. Eventually the majority of entertainment will be delivered over the web. want to take a guess how many hundreds of thousands of US workers are employed by those industries? and how many people are dependent on them in secondary industries? If you aren't going to ensure that the digital economy is working correctly (ie, people are paying the producers of content for making content they wish to consume) then you are effectively letting a massive 9and growing) chunk of the future US economy collapse.
You can't say "ignore file sharing and worry about the economy". In the 21st century, the digital economy IS the economy. The sooner they find a way to prevent the basis of that economy collapsing the better.
Couldn't agree more. Sadly it's becoming 'accepted wisdom' here that stealing peoples work is 'sticking it to the man' and 'fighting for internet freedom'. *sigh*
what a pile of shit. the majority of ISPS do not in ANY WAY co-operate with any record company unless forced to by a court order. get your facts straight before trotting out this groupthink bullshit of "all isps are teh mafiaaa!!!!1111" Personally I wish more ISPS DID pay some attention to constant copyright infringement by their customers. Pretending not to notice is one thing, but not co-operating when clear examples of such abuse are pointed out is another thing entirely.
SWORDS. Seriously, what is it with US military and silly macho sounding acronyms? You can almost hear the marketing meeting where they added and removed features until the project had a cool sounding acronym. Back in the good old days you called a new plane a Spitfire and a new gun a Bren gun. You didn't make up some silly collection of 6 or 7 different words that spelt out PATRIOT or other such silliness. Grrr.
nuclear cant be built in time to address climate change. nuclear has security risks, nuclear has sever accident risks (small chance but major potential problem). Nuclear is historically way more expensive than claimed. Nuclear has waste storage costs and transport security costs. Nuclear has major anti-terrorist security costs, and also increases the threat of proliferation of nuclear tech. nuclear needs access to large water supplies nearby and is by nature centralised.
None of this is true of wind or solar. I fail to see why solar cannot provide our energy needs. Are you saying there is not enough solar energy falling on the earth?
nobody is saying that the block of cement is worth anything. its worth WHAT PEOPLE WILL PAY FOR IT. and if they don't want to pay for it fine, they can go without cement. The problem is when people say it has zero worth (they don't want to pay) but they want it anyway. THAT is where economics is breaking down. people wanting something for nothing. If you aren't prepared to pay the producer of content, then you can't have the content. And if you don't like it, fucking make your own content. Its not complex.
oh grow up. if you really believe that anything that can be encoded digitally is somehow 'imaginary' and thus must be free for everyone, please do the rest of us a favour and fuck off to north korea, where this kind of intellectually vapid bullshit is being used to run a country. Not with any success, I might add.
and don't waste your time bleating back a load of twaddle about "information wants to be free", I've listened to idiots spout that crap from moms basement for the last 5 years, its always been laughable and still is.
yeah, you know you can buy heroin in almost any city in the western world, but if I ran a website with nothing but contact details, maps and phone numbers called getyourheroin.com, I think people might (quite rightly) have a beef with that. It doesn't surprise me though, slashdot is becoming more and more of a PR site for the piratebay and the pirate party. Its only a matter of time before it has a warez and torrents section:(
I dislike demonoid because it is a site built on the illegal copying of copyrighted intellectual property, and thus one of the major forces that is pushing PC gaming to collapse, and myself out of business. Leechers or not, games pirates are wrecking gaming. Not that anyone on this site gives a fuck about anyone who *shock horror* creates something digital for a living...
how much money is a property owner entitled to earn? do you advocate caps on rental income? AT least the creative individual created something. The property owner just inherited it. Surely its more important for society that people do NOT hoard physical land as populations rise. Surely thats way more important than luxury good like digital entertainment? Yet you advocate people inheriting property and keeping eternal rights to it. Why?
I'd like to know why you are changing the subject to talk about copyright terms when this is not what's being discussed. But riddle me this.. If I spend 5 years of my life building a house, its mine for my entire life and its passed down to my descendants FOREVER. If I spend the same 5 years creating a movie book or software, apparently I don't enjoy the same rights to what I created. Why? Explain to me why there is one rule for property and another for creative works. Is a garden not a creative work? ditto architecture, yet we allow the ownership rights on those to last forever. or are you in favour of the state seizing your house when you die, or 50 years after you bought it and making it public domain?
I don't understand this hatred of 'leeching' amongst file sharers. You know that you are ALL leeching right? You are leeching off the honest people who actually BUY the music, BUY the movies and BUY the software. without them, the stuff would not get made, and people like yourselves with overinflated senses of entitlement wouldn't be able to LEECH it off the honest majority. next time you complain about people leeching, take a good honest look at what you are doing.
No surprise to me to see slashdot triumphing the return of a warez site, the whole place is just a meeting point for pirates these days, ironic to see a copyright notice for sourceforge at the bottom of each page.
people *WANT* everything for cheap or free. That's obvious and not the point. The free market will work best when everyone pays for stuff what that stuff is worth to them. That means everyone gets a good idea, and the people producing content that is enjoyed the most are incentivised to produce more of it. Everyone may well rant and moan and stamp their feet and demand hollywood blockbusters for free, but you cannot make a hollywood blockbuster for free, so the market isnt viable. Given a choice of no movies, or movies for $10 a go, people have proved in the past that they get $10 entertainment from them. The only 'market failure' is when a bunch of filesharing kids manage to undermine a working market by enabling mass theft. The music and movie and software markets worked fine. Some people made a lot of money (so?) and millions of people spent their moeny rationally for entertainment. That was a working market, and I dread to think what an entertainment wasteland we will have if filesharing isn't stopped soon.
Agreed. I sell a game that is 90% game and 10% educational, and it's used in quite a few schools and colleges (and universities) link: Here The trick is to get a game developer who wants to make a fun game on a topic that has high educational value, rather than get someone who wants to educate kids and then try and force them to trick the kids into thinking its fun. Down that route you get crap like rap songs that supposedly teach, and other cringing ideas.
No. because you are buying the right to listen to it for as long as you live. that's not rental. rental implies ongoing payments. there are none here. don't try and make more of it than it is.
I cant see why a store selling music should escape tax compared with a store selling anything else. Just because something can be encoded digitally doesn't mean it comes from a different universe and different laws should apply.
Like it or not, more of our time is spent consuming information in one form or another. As information becomes a bigger part of the economy, of course it has to be taxed, or do you want to ramp up the tax on clothes to compensate?
But I would suggest that you are the one who is lumping two concepts together. The copyright that prevents someone being influenced by another product, such as a similar sounding song, is one thing, and I see that as seperate from the idea of copyright in a SPECIFIC piece of work. In other words, I agree that I should be able to make a film thats massively influenced by star wars, and call it something different, without being sued or paying anything. But Why should you be able to take the EXACT work made by george lucas & co and distribute it as your own? Even thirty generations later?
Granted, this sounds excessive, but this is exactly what we do with property. Someone owns number 211 Las Vegas Strip. in 100 years time, the owner may be a different person, but its unlikely to be 'the community'. What is so special about housing and land that it can be fenced off and kept out of the public domain for a literally infinite period?
The more I think about the argument about works reverting to the public domain, the less sense it makes. If I spend 3 years working and toiling to buy some land and build a house, then that house is mine FOREVER. I can even leave it to my descendants, and they will still 100% own it in a thousand years time. There is inheritance tax, but the property remains private If I take that same 3 years work, and put it into writing a new book, some software, a game or recording an album, apparently that isn't mine any more within X years (where X is defined as zero by anti-copyright kids). Why?
The rational man would not produce creative work because its value is limited to only X years. this is a DISINCENTIVE to creative work. You might say that society benefits from publically owned communal art. But isn't this true of land too? There are some individuals in my country owning hundreds of acres, who did NOTHING to deserve it, not even their great grandparents did the original work. How is this fair? or sensible?
"Most experts agree that future notebooks will be just as limited by battery life as they are now. But that doesn't mean we won't see significant advances in mobile power supplies -- such advances will be necessary to keep up with all the extra power."
Great, so you will sell me an eight core laptop with 36 times more power than I need, and as a result, the battery life for it will suck just as much as my current one does. I want a laptop that lets me surf the web and send email. I don't need an optical drive, I only need storage for maybe 20 gig plus the O/S. What I want is a laptop thats Quiet, lightweight and has a decent battery. Apparently I'm not the customer. That seems to be the traveling salesmen who uses his laptop in some penis-size compensation bragging rights game with his co-workers.
How about we have 22,487 other articles from all the major establishments that are very happy to toll out SP1 on release day? Why not just call the site Slashdot - news for linux fanboys. Face it, the vast majority of vista users are very happy. Sorry if that makes a few people fume, but its the truth. if you don't want to install vista, don't, but do something constructive with your lie rather than just whining at people who are happy with vista FFS.
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is linux not a work in progress? isn't ALL software these days not a work in progress? That's a GOOD thing. software design can respond to user experience and feedback, and move with the times. That's called running a software business responsibly. Face it, if linus stated this everyone would triumph it as showing that linux moved with the times, and was better than monolithic old vista.
This is a poor, half assed attempt to bash microsoft by the fanboys.
how can you possibly claim that file sharing doesn't come under the 'economy' tag?
Billions of dollars are spent on digital products, and on products that are increasingly becoming digital ocer time. Eventually the majority of entertainment will be delivered over the web. want to take a guess how many hundreds of thousands of US workers are employed by those industries? and how many people are dependent on them in secondary industries?
If you aren't going to ensure that the digital economy is working correctly (ie, people are paying the producers of content for making content they wish to consume) then you are effectively letting a massive 9and growing) chunk of the future US economy collapse.
You can't say "ignore file sharing and worry about the economy". In the 21st century, the digital economy IS the economy. The sooner they find a way to prevent the basis of that economy collapsing the better.
Couldn't agree more. Sadly it's becoming 'accepted wisdom' here that stealing peoples work is 'sticking it to the man' and 'fighting for internet freedom'.
*sigh*
what a pile of shit. the majority of ISPS do not in ANY WAY co-operate with any record company unless forced to by a court order. get your facts straight before trotting out this groupthink bullshit of "all isps are teh mafiaaa!!!!1111"
Personally I wish more ISPS DID pay some attention to constant copyright infringement by their customers. Pretending not to notice is one thing, but not co-operating when clear examples of such abuse are pointed out is another thing entirely.
SWORDS.
Seriously, what is it with US military and silly macho sounding acronyms? You can almost hear the marketing meeting where they added and removed features until the project had a cool sounding acronym.
Back in the good old days you called a new plane a Spitfire and a new gun a Bren gun. You didn't make up some silly collection of 6 or 7 different words that spelt out PATRIOT or other such silliness.
Grrr.
nuclear cant be built in time to address climate change. nuclear has security risks, nuclear has sever accident risks (small chance but major potential problem). Nuclear is historically way more expensive than claimed. Nuclear has waste storage costs and transport security costs. Nuclear has major anti-terrorist security costs, and also increases the threat of proliferation of nuclear tech. nuclear needs access to large water supplies nearby and is by nature centralised.
None of this is true of wind or solar. I fail to see why solar cannot provide our energy needs. Are you saying there is not enough solar energy falling on the earth?
nobody is saying that the block of cement is worth anything. its worth WHAT PEOPLE WILL PAY FOR IT.
and if they don't want to pay for it fine, they can go without cement.
The problem is when people say it has zero worth (they don't want to pay) but they want it anyway.
THAT is where economics is breaking down. people wanting something for nothing. If you aren't prepared to pay the producer of content, then you can't have the content. And if you don't like it, fucking make your own content.
Its not complex.
oh grow up.
if you really believe that anything that can be encoded digitally is somehow 'imaginary' and thus must be free for everyone, please do the rest of us a favour and fuck off to north korea, where this kind of intellectually vapid bullshit is being used to run a country.
Not with any success, I might add.
and don't waste your time bleating back a load of twaddle about "information wants to be free", I've listened to idiots spout that crap from moms basement for the last 5 years, its always been laughable and still is.
yeah, you know you can buy heroin in almost any city in the western world, but if I ran a website with nothing but contact details, maps and phone numbers called getyourheroin.com, I think people might (quite rightly) have a beef with that. :(
It doesn't surprise me though, slashdot is becoming more and more of a PR site for the piratebay and the pirate party. Its only a matter of time before it has a warez and torrents section
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I dislike demonoid because it is a site built on the illegal copying of copyrighted intellectual property, and thus one of the major forces that is pushing PC gaming to collapse, and myself out of business.
Leechers or not, games pirates are wrecking gaming.
Not that anyone on this site gives a fuck about anyone who *shock horror* creates something digital for a living...
you must be new.
I agree entirely though. its more like digg every day.
how much money is a property owner entitled to earn? do you advocate caps on rental income? AT least the creative individual created something. The property owner just inherited it.
Surely its more important for society that people do NOT hoard physical land as populations rise. Surely thats way more important than luxury good like digital entertainment? Yet you advocate people inheriting property and keeping eternal rights to it.
Why?
I'd like to know why you are changing the subject to talk about copyright terms when this is not what's being discussed.
But riddle me this..
If I spend 5 years of my life building a house, its mine for my entire life and its passed down to my descendants FOREVER. If I spend the same 5 years creating a movie book or software, apparently I don't enjoy the same rights to what I created.
Why?
Explain to me why there is one rule for property and another for creative works. Is a garden not a creative work? ditto architecture, yet we allow the ownership rights on those to last forever.
or are you in favour of the state seizing your house when you die, or 50 years after you bought it and making it public domain?
I don't understand this hatred of 'leeching' amongst file sharers. You know that you are ALL leeching right? You are leeching off the honest people who actually BUY the music, BUY the movies and BUY the software. without them, the stuff would not get made, and people like yourselves with overinflated senses of entitlement wouldn't be able to LEECH it off the honest majority.
next time you complain about people leeching, take a good honest look at what you are doing.
No surprise to me to see slashdot triumphing the return of a warez site, the whole place is just a meeting point for pirates these days, ironic to see a copyright notice for sourceforge at the bottom of each page.
Go on, mod me down for pointing out the truth...
people *WANT* everything for cheap or free. That's obvious and not the point. The free market will work best when everyone pays for stuff what that stuff is worth to them. That means everyone gets a good idea, and the people producing content that is enjoyed the most are incentivised to produce more of it.
Everyone may well rant and moan and stamp their feet and demand hollywood blockbusters for free, but you cannot make a hollywood blockbuster for free, so the market isnt viable. Given a choice of no movies, or movies for $10 a go, people have proved in the past that they get $10 entertainment from them.
The only 'market failure' is when a bunch of filesharing kids manage to undermine a working market by enabling mass theft. The music and movie and software markets worked fine. Some people made a lot of money (so?) and millions of people spent their moeny rationally for entertainment. That was a working market, and I dread to think what an entertainment wasteland we will have if filesharing isn't stopped soon.
Agreed. I sell a game that is 90% game and 10% educational, and it's used in quite a few schools and colleges (and universities)
link: Here
The trick is to get a game developer who wants to make a fun game on a topic that has high educational value, rather than get someone who wants to educate kids and then try and force them to trick the kids into thinking its fun. Down that route you get crap like rap songs that supposedly teach, and other cringing ideas.
No. because you are buying the right to listen to it for as long as you live. that's not rental. rental implies ongoing payments. there are none here. don't try and make more of it than it is.
I cant see why a store selling music should escape tax compared with a store selling anything else. Just because something can be encoded digitally doesn't mean it comes from a different universe and different laws should apply.
Like it or not, more of our time is spent consuming information in one form or another. As information becomes a bigger part of the economy, of course it has to be taxed, or do you want to ramp up the tax on clothes to compensate?
Or people could just obey the speed limit
so you didn't fucking bother reading my post at all then.
welcome to slashdot I guess.
But I would suggest that you are the one who is lumping two concepts together. The copyright that prevents someone being influenced by another product, such as a similar sounding song, is one thing, and I see that as seperate from the idea of copyright in a SPECIFIC piece of work.
In other words, I agree that I should be able to make a film thats massively influenced by star wars, and call it something different, without being sued or paying anything.
But Why should you be able to take the EXACT work made by george lucas & co and distribute it as your own? Even thirty generations later?
Granted, this sounds excessive, but this is exactly what we do with property. Someone owns number 211 Las Vegas Strip. in 100 years time, the owner may be a different person, but its unlikely to be 'the community'.
What is so special about housing and land that it can be fenced off and kept out of the public domain for a literally infinite period?
The more I think about the argument about works reverting to the public domain, the less sense it makes.
If I spend 3 years working and toiling to buy some land and build a house, then that house is mine FOREVER. I can even leave it to my descendants, and they will still 100% own it in a thousand years time. There is inheritance tax, but the property remains private
If I take that same 3 years work, and put it into writing a new book, some software, a game or recording an album, apparently that isn't mine any more within X years (where X is defined as zero by anti-copyright kids).
Why?
The rational man would not produce creative work because its value is limited to only X years. this is a DISINCENTIVE to creative work.
You might say that society benefits from publically owned communal art. But isn't this true of land too? There are some individuals in my country owning hundreds of acres, who did NOTHING to deserve it, not even their great grandparents did the original work.
How is this fair? or sensible?
Those are the ONLY considerations for me..
"Most experts agree that future notebooks will be just as limited by battery life as they are now. But that doesn't mean we won't see significant advances in mobile power supplies -- such advances will be necessary to keep up with all the extra power."
Great, so you will sell me an eight core laptop with 36 times more power than I need, and as a result, the battery life for it will suck just as much as my current one does.
I want a laptop that lets me surf the web and send email. I don't need an optical drive, I only need storage for maybe 20 gig plus the O/S. What I want is a laptop thats Quiet, lightweight and has a decent battery.
Apparently I'm not the customer. That seems to be the traveling salesmen who uses his laptop in some penis-size compensation bragging rights game with his co-workers.
new casual games portals are ten a penny. who cares?
"If previous postings on Slashdot is anything to go by"
No. They are not. that is my point.
How about we have 22,487 other articles from all the major establishments that are very happy to toll out SP1 on release day?
Why not just call the site Slashdot - news for linux fanboys.
Face it, the vast majority of vista users are very happy. Sorry if that makes a few people fume, but its the truth. if you don't want to install vista, don't, but do something constructive with your lie rather than just whining at people who are happy with vista FFS.