And let me say again NO! You are 100% entirely wrong,sir.
If you see a man being beaten to death by the side of the road, do you
turn your head and ignore the *blindingly obvious evidence* or
DO SOMETHING (eg call the police)?
"Filtering" the internet actually encourages child abuse and paedophilia, because it shows YOU DO NOT WANT TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM, you just want to pretend that it doesn't happen.
Except it is corn starch, not corn flour. So it should be +1 informative and -1 wrong. Unfortunately, there is no "factually incorrect" mod, so +5 interesting it is...
Personally I'd argue the point that most mods here are factually incorrect.
Aha! So I see that you're in favor of sweeping the problem under the carpet? If online-trading-or-swapping-of-child-pornography is *such* a major problem to society (and I would argue that it is), WHY is the minister FORCING the entire country to pretend it simply does not happen?
Stephen Conroy (the current communications minister) is the most incompetent politician Australia has had the shame to put up with in dozens of years.
He has shown, if nothing else, a complete and absolute lack on integrity in his pursuit of this filtering scheme.
Between one interview and the next, between one statement in parliament and the next, his excuse for the filter has changed, his reasoning has changed.
He has been dismissive, arrogant and accusatory of anyone who says *anything* against his policies.
He has *completely* ignored all the advice of anyone and everyone who has any involvement in child-protection in australia, *AND* overseas.
While *claiming* this is all about "protecting the children" his governments budget for the federal Police Anti Child Pornography team has been *LESS* than in the previous government.
In Short, Stephen Conroy is a classic example of someone who will be *instantly* turfed out on his arse at the next election, and is *personally* and *directly* responsible for the impending massive voter backlash against his entire party.
And people being a bunch of retarded morons who LITERALLY did not understand what they were talking about FOR 400 YEARS sounds like a good foundation to base your argument upon?
Copyright infringement IS NOT PIRACY.
Piracy is not copyright infringement
Copyright infringement DOES NOT mean piracy
Piracy does not mean copyright infringement
Not technically, not legally. Now sit down and SHUT UP and maybe you will learn something.
The entirety of any and every education in the systems of modern law boil down to one important directive.
Uphold the strictest LETTER of the law, even if that means absolutely destroying the most eye-wateringly obvious SPIRIT of the law (yes, even when its SO obvious that your 5-yr-old child can tell you "but daddy, that's NOT WHAT IT SAYS")
Slashdot, MARKETING-FLUFF FOR NERDS, because news doesn't matter.
Near enough to NONE of us will care about this, in the same way that we don't (really) care where our local ISP buys their power from.
not relevant
not important
Yeah it says Cisco+Internet+Faster in the same breath but
Not going to directly impact you
not going to impact you in anything like the near future (Carriers do NOT drop millions of dollars on new routers every week, just cause a new product comes out)
Why this is even a headline these days is absolutely beyond me.
Exactly the same thing was done to Australia a couple of years ago, we are now bound by American Copyright laws in return for some not-100%-royally-screwing-australia "free trade" agreements.
The irony of the thing is that America was founded on "no taxation without representation" and now they want to shove their laws down my throat but without *also* giving me the rights/priviledges of "being an american".
Blah Blah Blah Blah, all you americans MAKE ME SICK.
All this talk about armed bears and defiance of government and Government Of The People, By The People, For The People??? (your entire lifestyle is a fantasy that only lives in your mind)
Despite you all being full of hot air you are completely unable to get any worthwhile popular groundswell off the ground.
Seriously folks, this is your government doing its level best to allow corporate fatcat lobbyists run roughshod over the entire modern world.
Stop WHINING and DO SOMETHING ALREADY.
To mis-quote a well known phrase from your childhood memories:
Remember children, only YOU can prevent out-of-control corporate greed from destroying society.
You say "I have a server" (kinda like, I Have A Dream....)
It could possibly be argued that *if* they actually owned the server, then its up to them to "maintain it" (for some random, non-zero, possibly infinite values of "it" and "maintain"), and all they did was cause an unexpected outage in the process of identifying unexpected outages. However IF you own the physical box, then they have absolutely zero rights to access said box without your permission (obviously unless they're acting on a warrant, etc).
Assuming you meant "I own a server , for which I rent rack space and internet access from a hosting provider" (as opposed to "I rent a server from....") , then the correct response would be:
MOVE your server to another provider *immediately*
then ask the old provider: - I asked you to explain an outage - you requested root access to MY server - I denied your request - you then BROKE into my server and ENTERED root mode - Please explain to (the following judge-and-jury) how this could possibly be legal
"Real" (as opposed to something made up because it suits the theme of the game) religion in games is about as welcome as a christmas ham at hannukah. There is NO place for modern organized religion in games. This is nothing more than modern religion wanting to take a slice of the multi billion dollar gaming industry. Seriously folks, you've lost the plot, GREED is supposed to be something you are AGAINST.
Let me be clear: you are NOT welcome here, so GET LOST.
You and all the advertising industry retards who SOMEHOW thing we're STILL not clicking through on their ads because we did not notice them.
Do NOT need religion (or advertising) shoved down my throat in a game, will NOT buy "a real religious game", ever.
It's really not a question of how loud the commercials are.
It's how much "compression" and "limiting" are used on the audio. This affects how loud it "seems", even though the needle on the meter never goes higher than the highest peak reached by the show. It's just that the needle seems stuck on that peak.
Absolute rubbish!
You've swallowed their advertising lies 100%, you retarded monkey.
Whip out a SPL meter (I did, have you) and you will *clearly* see that many advertisements are actually physically significantly louder than even surrounding "violence and explosions action TV".
Seriously folks, you've seen this occurring in online advertising, the ad-making businesses out there *actually believe* we're failing to click-thru on their ads because we (somehow) FAILED TO NOTICE THEM. Hence the appearance of obnoxious flashover ads, full page ads which you have to actually click past, ads which flick over and the back across the page content so that its hard to read,e tc etc etc etc etc.
They basically said "give us religious status for tax purposes or we'll all misfile out forms and delay payments as long as possible, good luck finding the resources to pursue even a fraction of our members", and the IRS conceded that it would cost less to let them have their way than to try force them to behave.
Just like the GFC (financial institutions going crazy, government bailouts), if you violate the law with *enough* force, they just turn a blind eye and pretend it's all good.
!!!! People Are Assholes !!!! (TANSTAAFL, YMMV, VOID Where Prohibited, NOT an absolute truth in absolutely all cases) seriously folks, why is this news to *anyone*?
Organized Religion just gives The Assholes an opportunity to leverage power in a more absolute way with *some* kind of perhaps-legitimacy.
High Bandwidth (video, flash, audio) advertising on The internet IS THEFT..... plain and simple.
My internet services costs me per megabit (yes, in this modern day and age, in a modern western country, there are people who have NO OPTION but to use an internet service with either *direct* per-megabit cost or, at a minimum, a download limit of some kind), so forcing me to view HIGH BANDWIDTH multimedia ads is stealing from me.
And I have *no choice* because there's no way to tell whether a website is covered witth 100MB of ads to download, or text-only google ads (or even none).
Seriously folks, and these mental retards in the advertising industry imagine that we're not "clicking-thru" on their ads because somehow we *did not notice* the ads.
I'd like to suggest alternate possibilities:
we did not want your product
excessively attention grabbing advertising JUST MAKES ME MAD, I'll never click your ad or buy your product (never never never never never I HATE YOU)
you've stolen so much banwidth from me, I'm forced to surf the rest of this month from a text-only no-javascript browser
Because I do not get paid a million dollars a month (required to support the cost of bandwidth consumed due to ads) I never surf without an ad-blocker
It's portable, it's easier on the eyes, it's got a crossword puzzle in it I can do with a pen and all that tactile stuff
So what you're saying is that THE INSANELY FEW young people today who still *read a news-paper* will DROP THAT HABIT like a hot-potato once a sufficiently portable and readable touchscreen-enabled eReader becomes affordable? (which , at this rate, will be 2010 or perhaps 2011)
Let's not delude ourselves with intellectually dishonest arguments.
Fair Call, that's something the MUSIC/MOVIE industry already does well enough without us joining in.
This whole issue is a cop-out. The ISPs are merely low-hanging-fruit aka scapegoats.
If you have evidence that a law has been broken, there are already mechanisms in place to deal with that which DO NOT involve ISPs. If you do NOT have evidence..... then why are you badgering ISPs to be JUDGE, JURY AND EXECUTIONER?
"Infringement Notices" are just an email, there is LITERALLY ZERO evidence that it is what it claims to be, or that it was sent by the parties it claims to have been sent by.
Therefore I could (trivially easily) fake an email to your ISP, claiming hundreds of infringements, and get your intertubes destroyed. EASILY. and EVERY TIME YOU MOVE ISPs, I could rain down upon you a never ending trail of destruction.
Wityh "infringement notices" as they stand today there is literally ZERO verification, ZERO evidence. You are expected to take SIGNIFICANT ACTION based on RUMOR AND HERESAY. This Is Effectively PRESUMPTION OF GUILT, WITH NEITHER JUDGE NOR JURY NOR RECORSE TO A COURT OF LAW.
Yeah, so? It’s not the military-entertainment-industrial complex that makes the laws, but parliaments.
And you think that all those MILLIONS of dollars in campaign contributions and outright lobbying of congress will not get laws passed (ie effectively *buying* laws).
They can huff and puff all they want, but that does not make it force of law in any case.
No it'
s the THROWING MONEY AT THE LAWMAKERS which eventually makes it law.
if The Industry has evidence that copyright has been infringed, they should report it to the police (because laws have been broken, and it's the POLICE who follow up on law breakers)
if The Industry does NOT have evidence that copy has been infringed, then they cannot reasonably expect The ISP to do ANYTHING
it *REALLY* is NOT a complex problem.
The problem is, today. it's easier and often cheaper to JUST GO AND SUE SOMEBODY FOR BAZILLIONS OF DOLLARS than pursue the issue in a straightforward and naturally legal manner.
Slashdot Mirror
And let me say again NO! You are 100% entirely wrong
If you see a man being beaten to death by the side of the road, do you
"Filtering" the internet actually encourages child abuse and paedophilia, because it shows YOU DO NOT WANT TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM, you just want to pretend that it doesn't happen.
The Department of No! Really?
With Support from
The Department of Apparently the Govt is not *entirely* full of retarded monkeys.
Except it is corn starch, not corn flour. So it should be +1 informative and -1 wrong. Unfortunately, there is no "factually incorrect" mod, so +5 interesting it is...
Personally I'd argue the point that most mods here are factually incorrect.
... China on October 10 (10/10/10) on a 13.000 km route though Italy, Slovenia, Croatia, ...
Sorry for the confusion folks, that's thirteen THOUSAND km, not thirteen point zero zero zero km.
Aha! So I see that you're in favor of sweeping the problem under the carpet? If online-trading-or-swapping-of-child-pornography is *such* a major problem to society (and I would argue that it is), WHY is the minister FORCING the entire country to pretend it simply does not happen?
Stephen Conroy (the current communications minister) is the most incompetent politician Australia has had the shame to put up with in dozens of years.
He has shown, if nothing else, a complete and absolute lack on integrity in his pursuit of this filtering scheme.
Between one interview and the next, between one statement in parliament and the next, his excuse for the filter has changed, his reasoning has changed.
He has been dismissive, arrogant and accusatory of anyone who says *anything* against his policies.
He has *completely* ignored all the advice of anyone and everyone who has any involvement in child-protection in australia, *AND* overseas.
While *claiming* this is all about "protecting the children" his governments budget for the federal Police Anti Child Pornography team has been *LESS* than in the previous government.
In Short, Stephen Conroy is a classic example of someone who will be *instantly* turfed out on his arse at the next election, and is *personally* and *directly* responsible for the impending massive voter backlash against his entire party.
And people being a bunch of retarded morons who LITERALLY did not understand what they were talking about FOR 400 YEARS sounds like a good foundation to base your argument upon?
Copyright infringement IS NOT PIRACY.
Piracy is not copyright infringement
Copyright infringement DOES NOT mean piracy
Piracy does not mean copyright infringement
Not technically, not legally.
Now sit down and SHUT UP and maybe you will learn something.
FYI: Lawyers, inherently, by definition, destroy the soul of a society.
Near enough to NONE of us will care about this, in the same way that we don't (really) care where our local ISP buys their power from.
Yeah it says Cisco+Internet+Faster in the same breath but
... for another gunpowder rebellion.
Why this is even a headline these days is absolutely beyond me.
Exactly the same thing was done to Australia a couple of years ago, we are now bound by American Copyright laws in return for some not-100%-royally-screwing-australia "free trade" agreements.
The irony of the thing is that America was founded on "no taxation without representation" and now they want to shove their laws down my throat but without *also* giving me the rights/priviledges of "being an american".
Welcome to the modern methods of empire-building.
All this talk about armed bears and defiance of government and Government Of The People, By The People, For The People??? (your entire lifestyle is a fantasy that only lives in your mind)
Despite you all being full of hot air you are completely unable to get any worthwhile popular groundswell off the ground.
Seriously folks, this is your government doing its level best to allow corporate fatcat lobbyists run roughshod over the entire modern world.
Stop WHINING and DO SOMETHING ALREADY.
To mis-quote a well known phrase from your childhood memories:
Remember children, only YOU can prevent out-of-control corporate greed from destroying society.
It could possibly be argued that *if* they actually owned the server, then its up to them to "maintain it" (for some random, non-zero, possibly infinite values of "it" and "maintain"), and all they did was cause an unexpected outage in the process of identifying unexpected outages. However IF you own the physical box, then they have absolutely zero rights to access said box without your permission (obviously unless they're acting on a warrant, etc).
Assuming you meant "I own a server , for which I rent rack space and internet access from a hosting provider" (as opposed to "I rent a server from
- I asked you to explain an outage
- you requested root access to MY server
- I denied your request
- you then BROKE into my server and ENTERED root mode
- Please explain to (the following judge-and-jury) how this could possibly be legal
"Real" (as opposed to something made up because it suits the theme of the game) religion in games is about as welcome as a christmas ham at hannukah. There is NO place for modern organized religion in games. This is nothing more than modern religion wanting to take a slice of the multi billion dollar gaming industry. Seriously folks, you've lost the plot, GREED is supposed to be something you are AGAINST.
Let me be clear: you are NOT welcome here, so GET LOST.
You and all the advertising industry retards who SOMEHOW thing we're STILL not clicking through on their ads because we did not notice them.
Do NOT need religion (or advertising) shoved down my throat in a game, will NOT buy "a real religious game", ever.
It's really not a question of how loud the commercials are. It's how much "compression" and "limiting" are used on the audio. This affects how loud it "seems", even though the needle on the meter never goes higher than the highest peak reached by the show. It's just that the needle seems stuck on that peak.
Absolute rubbish!
You've swallowed their advertising lies 100%, you retarded monkey.
Whip out a SPL meter (I did, have you) and you will *clearly* see that many advertisements are actually physically significantly louder than even surrounding "violence and explosions action TV".
Seriously folks, you've seen this occurring in online advertising, the ad-making businesses out there *actually believe* we're failing to click-thru on their ads because we (somehow) FAILED TO NOTICE THEM. Hence the appearance of obnoxious flashover ads, full page ads which you have to actually click past, ads which flick over and the back across the page content so that its hard to read,e tc etc etc etc etc.
It doesn't matter that here in North America we tend to be fond of a particular one.
What do you mean "we", kemosabe?
They basically said "give us religious status for tax purposes or we'll all misfile out forms and delay payments as long as possible, good luck finding the resources to pursue even a fraction of our members", and the IRS conceded that it would cost less to let them have their way than to try force them to behave.
Just like the GFC (financial institutions going crazy, government bailouts), if you violate the law with *enough* force, they just turn a blind eye and pretend it's all good.
Maybe some people are just assholes?
!!!! People Are Assholes !!!! (TANSTAAFL, YMMV, VOID Where Prohibited, NOT an absolute truth in absolutely all cases)
seriously folks, why is this news to *anyone*?
Organized Religion just gives The Assholes an opportunity to leverage power in a more absolute way with *some* kind of perhaps-legitimacy.
My internet services costs me per megabit (yes, in this modern day and age, in a modern western country, there are people who have NO OPTION but to use an internet service with either *direct* per-megabit cost or, at a minimum, a download limit of some kind), so forcing me to view HIGH BANDWIDTH multimedia ads is stealing from me.
And I have *no choice* because there's no way to tell whether a website is covered witth 100MB of ads to download, or text-only google ads (or even none).
Seriously folks, and these mental retards in the advertising industry imagine that we're not "clicking-thru" on their ads because somehow we *did not notice* the ads.
I'd like to suggest alternate possibilities:
(never never never never never I HATE YOU)
It's portable, it's easier on the eyes, it's got a crossword puzzle in it I can do with a pen and all that tactile stuff
So what you're saying is that THE INSANELY FEW young people today who still *read a news-paper* will DROP THAT HABIT like a hot-potato once a sufficiently portable and readable touchscreen-enabled eReader becomes affordable? (which , at this rate, will be 2010 or perhaps 2011)
Let's not delude ourselves with intellectually dishonest arguments.
Fair Call, that's something the MUSIC/MOVIE industry already does well enough without us joining in.
..... then why are you badgering ISPs to be JUDGE, JURY AND EXECUTIONER?
This whole issue is a cop-out. The ISPs are merely low-hanging-fruit aka scapegoats.
If you have evidence that a law has been broken, there are already mechanisms in place to deal with that which DO NOT involve ISPs. If you do NOT have evidence
You sir are a clueless monkey, and a retard.
"Infringement Notices" are just an email, there is LITERALLY ZERO evidence that it is what it claims to be, or that it was sent by the parties it claims to have been sent by.
Therefore I could (trivially easily) fake an email to your ISP, claiming hundreds of infringements, and get your intertubes destroyed. EASILY. and EVERY TIME YOU MOVE ISPs, I could rain down upon you a never ending trail of destruction.
Wityh "infringement notices" as they stand today there is literally ZERO verification, ZERO evidence. You are expected to take SIGNIFICANT ACTION based on RUMOR AND HERESAY. This Is Effectively PRESUMPTION OF GUILT, WITH NEITHER JUDGE NOR JURY NOR RECORSE TO A COURT OF LAW.
Yeah, so? It’s not the military-entertainment-industrial complex that makes the laws, but parliaments.
And you think that all those MILLIONS of dollars in campaign contributions and outright lobbying of congress will not get laws passed (ie effectively *buying* laws).
They can huff and puff all they want, but that does not make it force of law in any case.
No it' s the THROWING MONEY AT THE LAWMAKERS which eventually makes it law.
it *REALLY* is NOT a complex problem.
The problem is, today. it's easier and often cheaper to JUST GO AND SUE SOMEBODY FOR BAZILLIONS OF DOLLARS than pursue the issue in a straightforward and naturally legal manner.