World is really big. When a neighorhood becomes too rich, the repair jobs grow across the tracks. In fact Foxconn was originally a repair/upgrade operation, which eventually grew to accept contract manufacturing. Of the 7 billion people on earth, 1 billion are about as rich as you are, and of the other 6 billion, about 3 billion of them have access to knowledge of transmission motors.
My grandfather was a subsistence farmer and carpenter who grew up in a log cabin in the Ozarks. He explained to me how a transmission works. If my grandfather knew how a transmission worked, why should I disbelieve that assembly line workers at Ford know how a car's transmission works?
You on the other hand appear to have inside dope on the knowledge (or lack thereof) among 650,000 Foxconn employees, and aircraft assemblers, and Ford employees must be much greater than mine. I could only have presumed it varied by employee, based on their time working in the factory or their curiosity about their employment.
Being barely able to explain something which you now understand is progress if you began knowing nothing. I agree with Hodet, it seems like you are struggling for a negative comment when if you aren't interested you could perhaps just close and go read another story. Myself, I feel only better informed by knowing the number of parts in the Toyota transmission, and seeing them in a functioning scale model than I was before watching the film, but could not explain how it works. As for one of the 650,000 workers at the Foxconn factory, I didn't know they all had the same level of understanding how an iPhone works, but I would presume the average employee knows better than most Chinese people do.
In fairness, when a part of the car creates friction by design (brakes), it's a legitimate idea to capture energy from the friction. There is not enough detail in the article whether they are creating friction to harvest it (silly). Tire treads however are designed to create traction and friction, so it could be a legitimate direction.
CBS 60 Minutes, PBS Frontline, CNN, John Stossel, everyone unanimously republished a stat in 2002 about "e-waste" exports which stated that 75%-80% of these exports were dumped and recycled in primitive conditions. Science Daily even reported that Agbogbloshie (city dump in Accra) was the "most toxic place on earth". And it was all bullshit, came from one ass-pulled stat in 2002 which the source actually now denies even saying. How would a correction to this bullshit ever happen? I guess if you were careful to cite the bad stats, Google would find them on your page and you could correct them. But if you simply provide correct information (2012 UNEP study 279 seized used electronics sea containers in 2009 imports found 91% repair and reuse), you'd be out of luck.
I think the point is that current results have never been predicted accurately in the past. Sure, it could all go horribly wrong this time, but just watch Hans Rosling's video and try to see how everyone is going to go backwards for the first time in a century. More efficient production makes more affordable product which makes for higher consumption which creates more jobs. http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_... I keep seeing people are suspicious and concerned it's going wrong, but that's also explained in the video. Terror sells papers.
I agree, but having viewed the sheer number of "nekkid selfies" we can only guess at the percentage which are truly involuntary. Even if 90% are involuntary, the Bureau of Labor Statistics should downgrade its employment projection for porn models. Reddit does the right thing with the policy, but unless they ban the imagery outright, consenting or not (like Blogger), "adolescent's demand for self-gratification", by definition, only defines the demand side of the equation. Paris Hilton film lives in perpetuity, and you cannot eradicate it without censorship of voluntary photos.
OOps "Yet my state has UNDER 5% unemployment, and 15% of the people are difficult to imagine employing" I used the "sideways V" symbol and html disappeared the sentence fragment.
What never fails to concern people is that 100 years ago, 80% of humans worked in agriculture and earned $5k per year, and today we are replacing jobs that pay $100K per year at X rate with technology (or imports etc.)... Can we deduce from those two facts that the future is in jeopardy? "Poverty used to be in decline, but now wealth is in decline!" That's the argumentum in terrorem or "doom and gloom" fallacy.
The people quoted in TFA are having trouble speculating what the new jobs will be. Recall the hysteria in the 1970s and 80s about the number of USA jobs moving to Japan, or the 90s-2000s jobs moving to China. 80,000 jobs doing X were lost was a constant headline over 4-5 decades. Yet my state has
If the 80,000 jobs lost to Y during X period was an accurate predictor of concern we'd have reached 90% unemployment a decade ago. Technology both replaces and creates jobs, like App Developer or 3D computer animation artist, or smartphone assembler, that no one imagined. True, most of the new jobs being created today are being created in emerging markets, but as China develops more cell phone assembly jobs, USA sells China more Buicks.
If someone with a time machine had gone back to meet me 30 years ago and shown me film of me using a cell phone to browse the internet and speak to my kid in Europe, and told me the technology cost me $30K per year, I'd have believed that. And today that "imagined value" means I'm living like a person making $29k more than I actually am.
The BLS has not been the greatest predictor of which jobs will be in demand, but has predicted employment markets in aggregate pretty well. "The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) predicted a 15% increase in the employment for all animal care and service workers between 2012 and 2022; however, employment of zookeepers was predicted to grow more slowly than other positions (www.bls.gov)." http://www.bls.gov/ooh/fastest...
Ah, sorry, I saw this part, which I didn't take to be very definitive.
"We do expect a few supernova in our galaxy every few hundred years, so there are a number of stars that are nearing the ends of their lifetimes within our galaxy. It’s hard to predict exactly when a star will transition from “close to the end of its life” to “exploding in the next week”, so while we expect that none of these will be exploding in the next little while, it’s difficult to predict which one of the stars will be the first to go."
Anyway I didn't mean to pile on, it's not that bad an article or anything. It's just kind of general and without citations, and even the RTFA point isn't presented with much confidence. One might have presumed that the supernova makes stars brighter, so that while I might not see the majority of stars above me, the ones which have gone Supernova I'm more likely to see with the naked eye... thus half the stars I can see (a very small subset of total stars) might be Supernova.
But it's so much easier when/. links to an article with no substance, as I can rely on my impulse, opinion, and a priori assumptions, generating faster posts. And no one ever says "RTFA".
I look at the sky every night, knowing the light is hundreds of years old. Half of the stars might have gone supernova already. Maybe we can't blame StartswithaBang for just blogging for slashdot effect.
Also the article is so general that perfectly innocent tracking can't be distinguished from malevolent tracking. Do I realize that part of Google's search ranking involves tracking visits to a page, and to eliminate spoofing will keep a pageranking from being driven by a single IP address clicker? Yes. I want and expect that.
If they are selling particular information about MY search to insurance companies, I'll be as furious as anyone else here on/. But the description of tracking in the article is so general that I can't tell how concerned to be, which is equally annoying. I hate false positives.
Exactly (and this point was made by Dixie_Flatline several points above).
When I listen to Pandora, I specifically expect and want to discover new music I haven't heard before. I'm specifically wanting to hear something new. When I like something I hear, I look it up on Spotify, where I can listen on demand to an entire album. So Pandora really is more like radio and should pay less per track. Nothing to see here.
Another point that should be made is that I'm 53 and have already paid for most of the music I listen to on Spotify. I own it, I'm just listening to it on Spotify instead of LP or CD. So most of the artists being paid by Spotify wouldn't have earned a cent when I play their music. And statistically, that's true of MOST of the music on Pandora, although I hope to hear new stuff, I mostly hears things I already paid for.
I'm not a climate science denier, but the people coming up with these headlines (the sky will disappear) are not doing scientists any favors with this "morning doom and gloom" machinery.
Sony should be admired for diversifying decades ago. In the early 90s, they were one of the most respected device manufacturers, but they saw that the money was in content and diversified into Playstation and Sony Pictures. Microsoft moved into hardware (Xbox), and Apple stayed in both. Samsung stayed purely hardware, for the most part. Palm tried to keep both OS (GeOS) and make hardware.
You could fault a lot of Sony's moves, but they survived the turmoil in display devices. Did not make a big smartphone play early enough. But just saying they should return to hardware manufacturing is really ignorant of Pacific rim economies, Japan in particular. They may not succeed, or may retreat into a camera niche, but Sony aspired well and failed where many others failed.
Thanks for explaining it so well. I was trying to think it through, how concerned I should be. So, idiot I guess. Curious who would the "plant" be working for. I take it that you believe NSA is in the business of taking trade secrets from companies like Siemens of Germany and giving the engineering to... um. USA corporations? Or multinational? Because Siemens medical equipment, CAT scans, etc., are.... um. Yeah, I'm still an idiot. Can you 'splain some more?
Here's how I see this. For the average person, if an actual NSA person was paid to follow them or look at them, the NSA would get tied up and bored to death. There are far too many people using Sim cards than there are government employees.
So second, could this private information be used by a rogue NSA employee, say an old college boyfriend to stalk or "peep" into private correspondence? Snowden has absolutely demonstrated that risk, that any of us could be somewhat randomly spied on. But the odds of any single one of us being examined is still as low as previously stated. Annoying but low actual risk.
Could a dictator use this access to information to cow us into subservience? Seems a stretch. In the USA example, if a Democratic/Republican president let slip they were using this info collected by the NSA for political means, the opposing party would hang them with it.
So the most likely use is, as NSA claims, to catch bad guys. Saw John Doe used porn, saw Jane Doe was in AA, but no time or interest in that, they are looking for Bin Laden.
The second most likely use would be a politically active person trying to change the status quo. Like Martin Luther King. If FBI Director J.Edgar Hoover had his hands on this kind of access, the USA would have been screwed. But then again, they assassinated King, and today it would be much harder to cover that up. The FBI directors now have to worry about a Snowden in their midsts, which should keep them more honest.
Mathematically, I'm extremely unlikely to be affected by Bin Laden... the mathematical of terrorist threats is smaller than getting hit by a car (for now). And the likelihood I'd be targeted by a college stalker or NSA agent is also very small. So is the risk that my social security number will be picked off of dropbox. The risk here is that a true intellectual agent of change will be targeted, or that Al Quaeda or ISIS will screw the international banking system so bad that the entire world economy is screwed up and people panic and break into stores and start killing each other. So I sleep at night hoping NSA is as concerned about the latter as much as I am, and hope to God they also fear and realize the precedent set by J. Edgar Hoover.
In the final analysis, I hope people with liberal arts degrees choose to go work for the NSA. The one former employee of NSA that I know personally had a liberal arts degree, and I hope she's not alone. I hope people who care about and worry about the things I worry about are working there, and sometimes I fear the reaction to the NSA is similar to the reaction of hippies in the 60s to business and capitalism... all the agents of conscience were afraid to get their consciences dirty, refused to go into business management, and we had 2-3 decades of business management dominated by assholes. We want more Snowdens in the NSA, and hyperbolizing the agency's "evil" is perhaps the greatest risk.
Well, anyway the drones will be produced privately elsewhere soon if not already. No one's putting this genie back in a bottle. Reminds me of when it was illegal to export 286 computers in the late 1990s.
"Click to Hit" Go online, create a user profile, enter photo of your enemy into our facial recognition software, and our private security drone will execute your enemy in 3-5 business days.
"For every "terrorist" they track through the mall, how many ordinary Joes like me who like their privacy are also tracked and stored in huge databases for all time?"
Indeed, all of them.
Have you noticed you can go into Best Buy or Staples, pick up a camera or look at a printer you never searched for online, and you find ads for the device on Facebook? Didn't notice? Give it a try. It's far beyond this 2013 (minority) report http://www.businessinsider.com...
According to in depth research performed on several subjects throughout the 1960s and 70s, being paranoid makes you drive slower, while lowered inhibitions tend to increase driving speed.
Slashdot Mirror
Major Major Major Major will be hard to find, as he always slips out the back window when approached in his office.
"whop him low and whop him high, stick your finger in his eye, kick him in the shin, hit him in the head, hit him again if the critter ain't dead"
(I grew up in northwest Arkansas and am allowed to make this joke /= trolling)
World is really big. When a neighorhood becomes too rich, the repair jobs grow across the tracks. In fact Foxconn was originally a repair/upgrade operation, which eventually grew to accept contract manufacturing. Of the 7 billion people on earth, 1 billion are about as rich as you are, and of the other 6 billion, about 3 billion of them have access to knowledge of transmission motors.
My grandfather was a subsistence farmer and carpenter who grew up in a log cabin in the Ozarks. He explained to me how a transmission works. If my grandfather knew how a transmission worked, why should I disbelieve that assembly line workers at Ford know how a car's transmission works?
You on the other hand appear to have inside dope on the knowledge (or lack thereof) among 650,000 Foxconn employees, and aircraft assemblers, and Ford employees must be much greater than mine. I could only have presumed it varied by employee, based on their time working in the factory or their curiosity about their employment.
Being barely able to explain something which you now understand is progress if you began knowing nothing. I agree with Hodet, it seems like you are struggling for a negative comment when if you aren't interested you could perhaps just close and go read another story. Myself, I feel only better informed by knowing the number of parts in the Toyota transmission, and seeing them in a functioning scale model than I was before watching the film, but could not explain how it works. As for one of the 650,000 workers at the Foxconn factory, I didn't know they all had the same level of understanding how an iPhone works, but I would presume the average employee knows better than most Chinese people do.
In fairness, when a part of the car creates friction by design (brakes), it's a legitimate idea to capture energy from the friction. There is not enough detail in the article whether they are creating friction to harvest it (silly). Tire treads however are designed to create traction and friction, so it could be a legitimate direction.
Exactly. Fighting misinformation posted widely is the most important form of journalism there is.
http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/06/21/231250/uk-man-sentenced-to-16-months-for-exporting-e-waste-despite-91-reuse
CBS 60 Minutes, PBS Frontline, CNN, John Stossel, everyone unanimously republished a stat in 2002 about "e-waste" exports which stated that 75%-80% of these exports were dumped and recycled in primitive conditions. Science Daily even reported that Agbogbloshie (city dump in Accra) was the "most toxic place on earth". And it was all bullshit, came from one ass-pulled stat in 2002 which the source actually now denies even saying. How would a correction to this bullshit ever happen? I guess if you were careful to cite the bad stats, Google would find them on your page and you could correct them. But if you simply provide correct information (2012 UNEP study 279 seized used electronics sea containers in 2009 imports found 91% repair and reuse), you'd be out of luck.
Please sign the petition btw #freehurricanebenson http://www.ipetitions.com/peti...
I think the point is that current results have never been predicted accurately in the past. Sure, it could all go horribly wrong this time, but just watch Hans Rosling's video and try to see how everyone is going to go backwards for the first time in a century. More efficient production makes more affordable product which makes for higher consumption which creates more jobs. http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_... I keep seeing people are suspicious and concerned it's going wrong, but that's also explained in the video. Terror sells papers.
I agree, but having viewed the sheer number of "nekkid selfies" we can only guess at the percentage which are truly involuntary. Even if 90% are involuntary, the Bureau of Labor Statistics should downgrade its employment projection for porn models. Reddit does the right thing with the policy, but unless they ban the imagery outright, consenting or not (like Blogger), "adolescent's demand for self-gratification", by definition, only defines the demand side of the equation. Paris Hilton film lives in perpetuity, and you cannot eradicate it without censorship of voluntary photos.
OOps "Yet my state has UNDER 5% unemployment, and 15% of the people are difficult to imagine employing" I used the "sideways V" symbol and html disappeared the sentence fragment.
What never fails to concern people is that 100 years ago, 80% of humans worked in agriculture and earned $5k per year, and today we are replacing jobs that pay $100K per year at X rate with technology (or imports etc.)... Can we deduce from those two facts that the future is in jeopardy? "Poverty used to be in decline, but now wealth is in decline!" That's the argumentum in terrorem or "doom and gloom" fallacy.
The people quoted in TFA are having trouble speculating what the new jobs will be. Recall the hysteria in the 1970s and 80s about the number of USA jobs moving to Japan, or the 90s-2000s jobs moving to China. 80,000 jobs doing X were lost was a constant headline over 4-5 decades. Yet my state has
If the 80,000 jobs lost to Y during X period was an accurate predictor of concern we'd have reached 90% unemployment a decade ago. Technology both replaces and creates jobs, like App Developer or 3D computer animation artist, or smartphone assembler, that no one imagined. True, most of the new jobs being created today are being created in emerging markets, but as China develops more cell phone assembly jobs, USA sells China more Buicks.
If someone with a time machine had gone back to meet me 30 years ago and shown me film of me using a cell phone to browse the internet and speak to my kid in Europe, and told me the technology cost me $30K per year, I'd have believed that. And today that "imagined value" means I'm living like a person making $29k more than I actually am.
The BLS has not been the greatest predictor of which jobs will be in demand, but has predicted employment markets in aggregate pretty well. "The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) predicted a 15% increase in the employment for all animal care and service workers between 2012 and 2022; however, employment of zookeepers was predicted to grow more slowly than other positions (www.bls.gov)." http://www.bls.gov/ooh/fastest...
Ah, sorry, I saw this part, which I didn't take to be very definitive.
"We do expect a few supernova in our galaxy every few hundred years, so there are a number of stars that are nearing the ends of their lifetimes within our galaxy. It’s hard to predict exactly when a star will transition from “close to the end of its life” to “exploding in the next week”, so while we expect that none of these will be exploding in the next little while, it’s difficult to predict which one of the stars will be the first to go."
Anyway I didn't mean to pile on, it's not that bad an article or anything. It's just kind of general and without citations, and even the RTFA point isn't presented with much confidence. One might have presumed that the supernova makes stars brighter, so that while I might not see the majority of stars above me, the ones which have gone Supernova I'm more likely to see with the naked eye... thus half the stars I can see (a very small subset of total stars) might be Supernova.
Well, let's just ask him what if feels like. Oh, wait, TFA says
"Bureau officials said they believed Bogachev was still in Russia. He could not immediately be reached for comment."
I look at the sky every night, knowing the light is hundreds of years old. Half of the stars might have gone supernova already. Maybe we can't blame StartswithaBang for just blogging for slashdot effect.
Also the article is so general that perfectly innocent tracking can't be distinguished from malevolent tracking. Do I realize that part of Google's search ranking involves tracking visits to a page, and to eliminate spoofing will keep a pageranking from being driven by a single IP address clicker? Yes. I want and expect that.
If they are selling particular information about MY search to insurance companies, I'll be as furious as anyone else here on /. But the description of tracking in the article is so general that I can't tell how concerned to be, which is equally annoying. I hate false positives.
Exactly (and this point was made by Dixie_Flatline several points above).
When I listen to Pandora, I specifically expect and want to discover new music I haven't heard before. I'm specifically wanting to hear something new. When I like something I hear, I look it up on Spotify, where I can listen on demand to an entire album. So Pandora really is more like radio and should pay less per track. Nothing to see here.
Another point that should be made is that I'm 53 and have already paid for most of the music I listen to on Spotify. I own it, I'm just listening to it on Spotify instead of LP or CD. So most of the artists being paid by Spotify wouldn't have earned a cent when I play their music. And statistically, that's true of MOST of the music on Pandora, although I hope to hear new stuff, I mostly hears things I already paid for.
All pretty reasonable, rational, and fair.
I'm not a climate science denier, but the people coming up with these headlines (the sky will disappear) are not doing scientists any favors with this "morning doom and gloom" machinery.
Sony should be admired for diversifying decades ago. In the early 90s, they were one of the most respected device manufacturers, but they saw that the money was in content and diversified into Playstation and Sony Pictures. Microsoft moved into hardware (Xbox), and Apple stayed in both. Samsung stayed purely hardware, for the most part. Palm tried to keep both OS (GeOS) and make hardware.
You could fault a lot of Sony's moves, but they survived the turmoil in display devices. Did not make a big smartphone play early enough. But just saying they should return to hardware manufacturing is really ignorant of Pacific rim economies, Japan in particular. They may not succeed, or may retreat into a camera niche, but Sony aspired well and failed where many others failed.
Thanks for explaining it so well. I was trying to think it through, how concerned I should be. So, idiot I guess. Curious who would the "plant" be working for. I take it that you believe NSA is in the business of taking trade secrets from companies like Siemens of Germany and giving the engineering to... um. USA corporations? Or multinational? Because Siemens medical equipment, CAT scans, etc., are.... um. Yeah, I'm still an idiot. Can you 'splain some more?
Here's how I see this. For the average person, if an actual NSA person was paid to follow them or look at them, the NSA would get tied up and bored to death. There are far too many people using Sim cards than there are government employees.
So second, could this private information be used by a rogue NSA employee, say an old college boyfriend to stalk or "peep" into private correspondence? Snowden has absolutely demonstrated that risk, that any of us could be somewhat randomly spied on. But the odds of any single one of us being examined is still as low as previously stated. Annoying but low actual risk.
Could a dictator use this access to information to cow us into subservience? Seems a stretch. In the USA example, if a Democratic/Republican president let slip they were using this info collected by the NSA for political means, the opposing party would hang them with it.
So the most likely use is, as NSA claims, to catch bad guys. Saw John Doe used porn, saw Jane Doe was in AA, but no time or interest in that, they are looking for Bin Laden.
The second most likely use would be a politically active person trying to change the status quo. Like Martin Luther King. If FBI Director J.Edgar Hoover had his hands on this kind of access, the USA would have been screwed. But then again, they assassinated King, and today it would be much harder to cover that up. The FBI directors now have to worry about a Snowden in their midsts, which should keep them more honest.
Mathematically, I'm extremely unlikely to be affected by Bin Laden... the mathematical of terrorist threats is smaller than getting hit by a car (for now). And the likelihood I'd be targeted by a college stalker or NSA agent is also very small. So is the risk that my social security number will be picked off of dropbox. The risk here is that a true intellectual agent of change will be targeted, or that Al Quaeda or ISIS will screw the international banking system so bad that the entire world economy is screwed up and people panic and break into stores and start killing each other. So I sleep at night hoping NSA is as concerned about the latter as much as I am, and hope to God they also fear and realize the precedent set by J. Edgar Hoover.
In the final analysis, I hope people with liberal arts degrees choose to go work for the NSA. The one former employee of NSA that I know personally had a liberal arts degree, and I hope she's not alone. I hope people who care about and worry about the things I worry about are working there, and sometimes I fear the reaction to the NSA is similar to the reaction of hippies in the 60s to business and capitalism... all the agents of conscience were afraid to get their consciences dirty, refused to go into business management, and we had 2-3 decades of business management dominated by assholes. We want more Snowdens in the NSA, and hyperbolizing the agency's "evil" is perhaps the greatest risk.
And is false information "anti-matter"? Could be we will witness the end of the universe in a flame war on /.
Well, anyway the drones will be produced privately elsewhere soon if not already. No one's putting this genie back in a bottle. Reminds me of when it was illegal to export 286 computers in the late 1990s.
"Click to Hit" Go online, create a user profile, enter photo of your enemy into our facial recognition software, and our private security drone will execute your enemy in 3-5 business days.
One must be long overdue. It's not like, super certain, that current civilization will last longer than the Ptolemaic Dynasty.
Indeed, all of them.
Have you noticed you can go into Best Buy or Staples, pick up a camera or look at a printer you never searched for online, and you find ads for the device on Facebook? Didn't notice? Give it a try. It's far beyond this 2013 (minority) report http://www.businessinsider.com...
According to in depth research performed on several subjects throughout the 1960s and 70s, being paranoid makes you drive slower, while lowered inhibitions tend to increase driving speed.
And loud music was the original "gateway drug".