Mac OS X Server runs a host of services, particularly for managing Mac OS X clients, that you won't find on any other OS, so there are reasons to get a Xserve in particular; web serving just is not one of them.
You're not the first person to say this yet no one has described what it is that Xserves do better at managing OSX clients. So what exactly are the benefits?
You're a tool. The hardware is probably the same underneath, or very nearly the same. It's not like Apple makes their own stuff. Dell is getting their parts from the same vendors.
Very true. I mean, OS X actually uses a lot of the same GNU tools as Linux does, and as it's using the Mach kernel I don't think that contains any of the original Unix kernel. The userland is based on FreeBSD, which as far as I know isn't allowed to call itself Unix
That's not quite the way it works. The kernel is a Mach/FreeBSD hybrid. The userland is a more typical FreeBSD setup with some GNU utlities.
It would certainly be interesting if a Linux vendor did attempt to get certified as Unix.
I think the reason they don't do this is because they would have to re-certify every time a new release came out. Besides Linux is so well known for servers now it would be a useless certification.
No, it's much, much older than that. When Christ instructed his followers to "Feed my sheep", He wanted them to personally get involved and help people, not set up some faceless bureaucracy that would set up some arbitrary tax scheme and then dole out funds to the "needy"
It's difficult to take you seriously if you are going to use fictional characters as the basis of your argrument.
It has several advantages. It encourages everyone to help, to actually care and show some compassion to their fellow humans. The nature of bureaucracies is that the top priority is to insure the survival of said organization, not necessarily helping people. That is why they are so attractive to the lazy and incompetent.
Typical conservative BS. Everyone is "lazy and incompetent" that works for a goverment institution. There is one giant disadvantage that you don't even gloss over. What happens to people when no one donates? What happens when 30% of people are unemployed. Where does the money come from?
I know someone personally who was unemployed for months that could not get any sort of assistance from her state. None.
She was fired maybe? Employers aren't required to pay benefits if you quit or are fired for good reason. Either that or your state sucks, because I was laid off and no on was going to help me EXCEPT the goverment. No one I know has any money to give right now. If it wasn't for the goverment I would be sleeping under a bridge in sub-zero temperatures.
Obama's 'stimulus bill' was more about handouts to core Democratic constituency groups than providing any sort of economic incentives for the entire nation.
More conservative talking points. At this point the Republicans are saying that any spending is a "hand out" yet only a few months ago it was perfectly okay for them to drop $350 billion in taxpayer money with absolutely no oversight, and before that they spent billions in the "war" effort with little or no oversight. For crying out loud their alternative plan was entirely tax cuts! Because that worked so well for the past 8 years. Despite your idealogical beliefs people are generally sick of this attitude. Tax cuts don't help 15% of the working population who don't have jobs or are underemployed. That's a pretty big number. Reyling on tax cuts alone is to rely on the private sector to fix this problem when they created it.
Boil it down to this--I believe people should have freedom with the money they earned. You don't.
Not quite. I just believe that my right to life, health, and pursuit of happiness trumps your right to keep all your money. You definitely sound like a kooky Randian when seem more concerned about your paycheck than anything else in the world.
Oh and you seem to forget charity...personal charity. It is up to the individual to donate money to help out his fellow man not the government.
I always wonder where people get this idea from (Ayn Rand?). This may be your idea of what government should or shouldn't do but it isn't a consensus. In a democratic society a governemnt is supposed to work for the people. If there is some kind of systemic problem affecting people, like poverty, high unemployment rates, pollution, or whatever it may be, people in a democratic society exepect the government to work for them to address these problems. This is what gives legitimacy to their power. Democracy is not about low taxes, or free markets, or any other economic philosophy, its about solving problems for the common good. If you don't like the way things are there are always elections. I just think you're going to have a hard time convincing people to go back to the 1800s.
Most people don't need high end graphics. Intel is more than enough for 99% of users. The other 1% is mostly gamers and most of them aren't gaming on Linux. It would be nice to have good open source drivers from both ATI and Nvidia but it isn't essential. There are more computers out there with Intel graphics than any other graphics manufacturer.
Isn't there already biodegradeable plastics made from hemp seed oil? Using hemp seed oil would be a drastic improvement over using wood considering yeild per acre.
Don't get me wrong, I believe flash is the second worst thing to ever happen to the Internet (behind IE), I just wanted to let you know that the repo versions are MUCH more stable.
This assumes I use Ubuntu. I don't. I have used both the 64-bit version and several 32-bit versions since version 7 and they have all been unstable. 64-bit has been the worst with crashing the entire browser but 32-bit versions just hang the browser or flash just dies all together.
I have been using Mono for years and have yet to feel this so-called "treadmill" effect. Why? Because I have been using Mono applications not.NET applications. If we embrace Moonlight and make Moonlight websites there will be no "treadmill" effect. Large websites are not going to use the latest Silverlight technology except for maybe Microsoft and I don't care about them. If we push Moonlight ahead of Silverlight like Mono has advanced past.NET in some areas we can even get people using Windows to use it just like there are Mono applications on Windows.
Sooner or later Microsoft will pull the plug on Silverlight, or at least get lots of open-source stuff dependant on it, and then kill it. OH noooOOes now I can't use my $1 million dollar application because Microsoft did something legaly & I can't use Silverlight anymore.
I keep hearing this but no evidence supports it. The only evidence you can provide is "Microsoft is evil". Despite your quite common belief that Mono is some kind of Microsoft plot, Microsoft has been actively helping Mono. I don't think this is going to change anytime soon and just like any company Microsoft has, and will continue to change. I think when Ballmer leaves you're really going to notice a change. As more and more of Microsoft's developers have experience with Linux and acceptance of Linux the attitudes will change, they already are. Can you imagine if Windows released their proprietary codecs freely to Linux systems 10 years ago, or even 5 years ago? Of course pure software purists would not accept them but a lot of people would have been very happy to have freely licensed codecs to legally watch video on Linux. Now when they do it it's made out to be some kind of plot. It's a little tin-foil hat-ish.
They're still a business and they're still going to try to push their solution over all others but this isn't anything different than any other business out there, including Linux companies like Red Hat but comapanies are not monolithic, never changing entities. Those that don't change with the times die and Microsoft knows that. They can't just depend on being installed on 99% of computers anymore and no amount of lawsuits are going to change that in this global economy.
Its just annoying that its hard/impoissible to find a foss version of moonlight. One say i will put the effort in and compile an ffmpeg version, but until then i have no intention of touching the microsoft codec pack.
I didn't think Moonlight was actually shipping with Microsoft's codecs. My version didn't. When I first vistited a site that required them it offered to download and install them for me.
Making the web dependent on binary plugin formats....users are probably the only ones who DON'T win.
Then I have something for you. First read the article. It is about this thing called Moonlight. It's open source. As a content creator you can create video, animations, and other interactive content using free and open source tools that can be viewed with free and open source plugins.
Funny you should say that, because I'm running the x64 linux flash plug-in right now. Its supposedly in alpha, but seems entirely functional to me.
The 64-bit flash plugin crashes half the sites I visit. I have had the moonlight plugin installed for almost a month now and while it doesn't work with Silverlight 2.0 yet it hasn't crashed a single site, it hasnt' even caused the browser to hang like the release version of Flash often does.
Miro 2.0 is a huge improvement in my opinion. It uses about 80MB on my system while downloading 7 torrents. It's also a lot more responsive than any previous version. I don't feel like I'm always waiting for the UI to respond anymore. The only complaint I have against the new Miro is that they GTK-ified the rest of Miro, which is a good thing, but they ripped out the GTK themed media controls of the previous versions and replaced it with iTunes-ish media controls. WTF?
The point of Miro is to make it extremely simple to watch syndicated video. It's the combination of RSS, torrents, and video playback that make it useful and unique, not the technologies themselves. Before Miro I would search for torrents, download them, fire up my bitorrent client, download the video I wanted to watch and then when it was done I would start up my media player to watch the video. Now with Miro I just add a torrent feed for a specific show to Miro and set my automatic download and retention options and I never have to search for that show again, or download it manually, or jump from web page to web page, and the video interface is consistent across shows. I find it extremely useful and huge improvement over how I was doing things previosly. I've played with the newest version and it looks liked they ironed out all the issues that were bugging me from previous releases. The only problem I have now is my dark GTK theme which doesn't play nice with Miro now that Miro's interface has been altered with latest version.
I'm pretty sure Red Hat 9 didn't come out until 2003. I remember the upgrade from 8 fubarred my install because several packages that I compiled by hand no longer worked and I jumped ship to Gentoo which I have been using ever since.
It's worse than that. OSX is basically NextStep with a refreshed GUI. Next did the hard part of melding Mach and FBSD together. The underlying core components of OSX are just an evolution of Next's APIs.
Thanks for not only pointing out what everyone already knows, but also showing what a complete moron you are for missing the point of what everyone else is discussing.
Enlighten me then. What is the point? The post I was replying to claimed that the UI was polished by HP but it wasn't. It is an open source UI. You're the one who looks like a moron even attempting to argue against that.
In just a short time HP took what the open source clowns had been working so hard on and getting nowhere in the market and created a polished and commercial quality UI for their hardware.
You're an idiot. The UI wasn't created by HP. It was created by the very same "open source clowns" you are deriding.
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It looks like you answering your own question.
You're not the first person to say this yet no one has described what it is that Xserves do better at managing OSX clients. So what exactly are the benefits?
You're a tool. The hardware is probably the same underneath, or very nearly the same. It's not like Apple makes their own stuff. Dell is getting their parts from the same vendors.
That's not quite the way it works. The kernel is a Mach/FreeBSD hybrid. The userland is a more typical FreeBSD setup with some GNU utlities.
I think the reason they don't do this is because they would have to re-certify every time a new release came out. Besides Linux is so well known for servers now it would be a useless certification.
It's difficult to take you seriously if you are going to use fictional characters as the basis of your argrument.
Typical conservative BS. Everyone is "lazy and incompetent" that works for a goverment institution. There is one giant disadvantage that you don't even gloss over. What happens to people when no one donates? What happens when 30% of people are unemployed. Where does the money come from?
She was fired maybe? Employers aren't required to pay benefits if you quit or are fired for good reason. Either that or your state sucks, because I was laid off and no on was going to help me EXCEPT the goverment. No one I know has any money to give right now. If it wasn't for the goverment I would be sleeping under a bridge in sub-zero temperatures.
More conservative talking points. At this point the Republicans are saying that any spending is a "hand out" yet only a few months ago it was perfectly okay for them to drop $350 billion in taxpayer money with absolutely no oversight, and before that they spent billions in the "war" effort with little or no oversight. For crying out loud their alternative plan was entirely tax cuts! Because that worked so well for the past 8 years. Despite your idealogical beliefs people are generally sick of this attitude. Tax cuts don't help 15% of the working population who don't have jobs or are underemployed. That's a pretty big number. Reyling on tax cuts alone is to rely on the private sector to fix this problem when they created it.
Not quite. I just believe that my right to life, health, and pursuit of happiness trumps your right to keep all your money. You definitely sound like a kooky Randian when seem more concerned about your paycheck than anything else in the world.
I always wonder where people get this idea from (Ayn Rand?). This may be your idea of what government should or shouldn't do but it isn't a consensus. In a democratic society a governemnt is supposed to work for the people. If there is some kind of systemic problem affecting people, like poverty, high unemployment rates, pollution, or whatever it may be, people in a democratic society exepect the government to work for them to address these problems. This is what gives legitimacy to their power. Democracy is not about low taxes, or free markets, or any other economic philosophy, its about solving problems for the common good. If you don't like the way things are there are always elections. I just think you're going to have a hard time convincing people to go back to the 1800s.
Intel has nearly 50% of the marketshare, much bigger than either ATI or Nvidia.
Most people don't need high end graphics. Intel is more than enough for 99% of users. The other 1% is mostly gamers and most of them aren't gaming on Linux. It would be nice to have good open source drivers from both ATI and Nvidia but it isn't essential. There are more computers out there with Intel graphics than any other graphics manufacturer.
Where do you live? I live in the Northeastern United States and nearly every house has a shingle roof.
Isn't there already biodegradeable plastics made from hemp seed oil? Using hemp seed oil would be a drastic improvement over using wood considering yeild per acre.
We already have that. It's a little company called Intel
This assumes I use Ubuntu. I don't. I have used both the 64-bit version and several 32-bit versions since version 7 and they have all been unstable. 64-bit has been the worst with crashing the entire browser but 32-bit versions just hang the browser or flash just dies all together.
I have been using Mono for years and have yet to feel this so-called "treadmill" effect. Why? Because I have been using Mono applications not .NET applications. If we embrace Moonlight and make Moonlight websites there will be no "treadmill" effect. Large websites are not going to use the latest Silverlight technology except for maybe Microsoft and I don't care about them. If we push Moonlight ahead of Silverlight like Mono has advanced past .NET in some areas we can even get people using Windows to use it just like there are Mono applications on Windows.
I keep hearing this but no evidence supports it. The only evidence you can provide is "Microsoft is evil". Despite your quite common belief that Mono is some kind of Microsoft plot, Microsoft has been actively helping Mono. I don't think this is going to change anytime soon and just like any company Microsoft has, and will continue to change. I think when Ballmer leaves you're really going to notice a change. As more and more of Microsoft's developers have experience with Linux and acceptance of Linux the attitudes will change, they already are. Can you imagine if Windows released their proprietary codecs freely to Linux systems 10 years ago, or even 5 years ago? Of course pure software purists would not accept them but a lot of people would have been very happy to have freely licensed codecs to legally watch video on Linux. Now when they do it it's made out to be some kind of plot. It's a little tin-foil hat-ish.
They're still a business and they're still going to try to push their solution over all others but this isn't anything different than any other business out there, including Linux companies like Red Hat but comapanies are not monolithic, never changing entities. Those that don't change with the times die and Microsoft knows that. They can't just depend on being installed on 99% of computers anymore and no amount of lawsuits are going to change that in this global economy.
I didn't think Moonlight was actually shipping with Microsoft's codecs. My version didn't. When I first vistited a site that required them it offered to download and install them for me.
Then I have something for you. First read the article. It is about this thing called Moonlight. It's open source. As a content creator you can create video, animations, and other interactive content using free and open source tools that can be viewed with free and open source plugins.
The 64-bit flash plugin crashes half the sites I visit. I have had the moonlight plugin installed for almost a month now and while it doesn't work with Silverlight 2.0 yet it hasn't crashed a single site, it hasnt' even caused the browser to hang like the release version of Flash often does.
Miro 2.0 is a huge improvement in my opinion. It uses about 80MB on my system while downloading 7 torrents. It's also a lot more responsive than any previous version. I don't feel like I'm always waiting for the UI to respond anymore. The only complaint I have against the new Miro is that they GTK-ified the rest of Miro, which is a good thing, but they ripped out the GTK themed media controls of the previous versions and replaced it with iTunes-ish media controls. WTF?
The point of Miro is to make it extremely simple to watch syndicated video. It's the combination of RSS, torrents, and video playback that make it useful and unique, not the technologies themselves. Before Miro I would search for torrents, download them, fire up my bitorrent client, download the video I wanted to watch and then when it was done I would start up my media player to watch the video. Now with Miro I just add a torrent feed for a specific show to Miro and set my automatic download and retention options and I never have to search for that show again, or download it manually, or jump from web page to web page, and the video interface is consistent across shows. I find it extremely useful and huge improvement over how I was doing things previosly. I've played with the newest version and it looks liked they ironed out all the issues that were bugging me from previous releases. The only problem I have now is my dark GTK theme which doesn't play nice with Miro now that Miro's interface has been altered with latest version.
I'm pretty sure Red Hat 9 didn't come out until 2003. I remember the upgrade from 8 fubarred my install because several packages that I compiled by hand no longer worked and I jumped ship to Gentoo which I have been using ever since.
It's worse than that. OSX is basically NextStep with a refreshed GUI. Next did the hard part of melding Mach and FBSD together. The underlying core components of OSX are just an evolution of Next's APIs.
What's wrong with the scrollback?
Enlighten me then. What is the point? The post I was replying to claimed that the UI was polished by HP but it wasn't. It is an open source UI. You're the one who looks like a moron even attempting to argue against that.
You're an idiot. The UI wasn't created by HP. It was created by the very same "open source clowns" you are deriding.
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