These things are an entity of greed, something in which the GPL was not founded. IMHO the GPL is an agreement between the user and the developer to maintain the inegrity of the code, and to further its existence and usefulness. This, by nature, is in effect the opposite of that which defines conventional means of protecting ideas and property.
Developing open source software for public use is not something attributed to those who would benefit from doing so arbitrarily, it is something attributed to those who would better the world around them no matter what they are doing.
The true meaning behind the division we see is far deeper than what can and cannot be enforceable. The problem we are facing has resolution in the re-thinking of laws and governing institutions over our daily lives. The GPL is not something which can be negotiated or changed to make the individual able to wave in the air in a courtroom, it is a doctrine to which can be added for the need of expanding an idealistic medium of communication between the individual and the masses.
We'll see what is enforceable and what isn't when these big companies that are dumping money in to open source development feel like they have something to protect from each other.
Helping customers and fixing problems with your business is what customer service should be about. Voicing our complaints and boycotting faulty desing and workmanship is how the system is worked. Consumer electronics are at an all time high for mediocrity and planned obsolescence. The more noise people make, and the more bugs these manufacturers are willing to fix the better the quality of living for all will be.
Being in the service industry it's been my experience that 1 unhappy customer, who isn't just a total dick, can lead to much lost business and a snowball of other complaints once word gets out.
The bottom line is customer service. Supply and demand. Don't even think for a second that some American is going to lose his job if you don't return your p.o.s. mp3 player for a full refund. The person losing their job over it will be some kid in a relatively poor company who will only grow more restless and have a stronger voice in changing his corrupt country. This is life on Earth in 2005. If you want to go around buying junk even though you know it's junk then do so, but don't go around telling people it's ok without expecting to be told to shut the fuck up.
Just depends on how this level of security is implemented. I think its horse shit that Microsoft sells fixes for its own cataclysmic flaws. Its too easy to perpetuate that kind of business. System security, like with *nix, should be on the kernel level with other applications enhancing and managing it, not on the application level leaving system security to the wits of the user. This top level handling of viruses is, redunantly put, another ploy to extend their monopoly. Its far too convenient for Microsft to say 'well you bitched about the security and we are offering a fix, so shut up' when the bottom line is that these problems should never have existed in the first place, and Microsoft should be held accountable for that.
As a long time Slackware and FreeBSD user, I'm just waiting for a good check to come in so I can get a Mac. My problem is that I'm afraid I'll find it so cool and so much better that I will drop my beloved OS's and lose interest.
As far as Microsoft is concerned, well, they kissed my ass years ago when I dropped out around Windows 98. If there is ever a chance for Mac's to become more affordable I do not see a future for Microsoft. They can't sue us for NOT using their shit. Heh.
his donations amount to one of us giving about 500 bucks to the cause, some more, some less. WOW. not bad for a lifetime contribution.
..is what helped bring the non-technical person to the computer - and that brought their money..
id have to agree there. gates made all that possible and more with a browser that looks like swiss cheese to anyone with a copy of notepad and a website. bet you probably thought that gator thing was a real cool feature huh.
which helped increase the computer industry to what it is today.
would that be the computer repair industry or the spyware industry? i know you arent talking about the server market. (btw everyone i know uses linux at home you twirp)
So far the only person speaking out of his ass is you.
i would definetly re-think that one. personally, id much rather be outside of his ass.
But then again, the problem with speaking with people like you..
...is that we make sense...
no matter what we show that Bill or people like him [MICHAEL JACKSON] have done as positive - you will say "well that doesn't count, because its a cheap stunt."
no, it doesnt count because its an expensive stunt.
I guess everyone donating donates as a cheap stunt.
cmon, pay attention here. are you even listening?
some donators donate dough but dont donate for the sake of dough donation, theyre just donating donations so they dont look like dicks.
seriously, its an expensive stunt, not a cheap one. snap out of it.
1) Do something illegal.
2) Get reported.
3) Sue for NDA breach.
4) Profit!
My job is to clean up servers and bust fraudulent web sites. Anything that can be done to stop this abuse of the Internet is open for approval here. Often big spamming operations have to do something illegal to get the mail out to begin with, such as crack a password or exploit a script to install a bot. I probably stop around 50,000 spam emails a night on our systems and its a never ending battle. Spam is email, and anyone can use email. Protect your passwords and keep your scripts in check, and well, I'll have to move on to something else.
Our operation doesn't have much of a place for these FC installs. Someone can request it, sure, but by the time they hose their install there is allready a new version out. Might be convenient but damn, whats the point of releasing 4 a year? Personally, when it comes to server, I think Debian has a better outlook on all of that.
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...you can have it. The whole point of open source software is to know what it's doing and how it does it.
I have to say... I found your innocent comment almost insulting!
Personally I don't think this article's subject is any reason whatsoever to use Linux.
Sure, sure, go burn your stupid CD with the click of a mouse. Wee. Get hooked so nobody else's projects will ever make it. What are you going to do with your mouse when all the other projects are dead and you can't use Nero anymore because upgrades cost too much or your version "is not supported"? Buy something else? Ahh, that's it, you'll take your money elsewhere because you are used to paying out the nose for something you can't even own. Proprietary obsolescense at it's best.
Yeah, I know, "but the article says it's free". For now at least. This article really rubs me the wrong way. I can't stand the fact that it made it here. If I wasn't so tired (and drunk) I'd take the time to write you a script that could handle alot of the most common things needed for burning several types of CD's. Maybe I'll work on that tomorrow just to spite these fuckers.
I use Linux for the same reason I bought a truck that didn't come with an EULA saying I can't open the hood. Alot of developers and admins make better money doing other things besides putting buttons on a bash script and trying to package it like this. I'm reminded of when Visual Basic first came out. All these crapware apps hit the scene doing simple shit like a graphical traceroute and sign-u-on-alot, etc - some eventually growing together and becoming big money. Sickening to think this could happen to Linux where no source code could be available and the whole Idea lost to a generation of "converts".
Think about this. Why bother "Making The Big Switch" just because of something like this? I stuck with the tools I need to get my job done and done well. Stick with Windows. It will make my job of fixing bugs and hammering out workstation and server images alot easier if I don't have to include a bunch of shit that nobody can fix or understand why it broke because there is no source. We leave that bullshit for the Windows Guys. Talk about a miserable bunch, "ah just format it again".
Granted I'm not having the best day either, but that isn't because of the worm/bug/feature going around rebooting Server 2003 right now that nobody can seem to track down.
I realize alot of you think this might be a step in the right direction, but it's not. First of all, how many distro's do you think this will support (or be supported by)? You sure as hell aren't going to see a tgz of source code coming from them any time soon. Secondly, who could possibly benefit from this in the long run? Has history taught us nothing? Is this what we really want to become of each and every app that we use? CD's are allready designed to rot as it is, that itself is bad enough without having to rely on someone to provide us with software to write them.
Despite what you may think of my slant on this there is a very simple fact you cannot ignore: for each person like me, there are 10 Microsofties with a shitload of money and weight to throw around because of the name they carry. That is not to say anything good about the jobs they have, or anything bad about the money I make, its to show what it took to bring Linux here to begin with. It wasn't done by a bunch of mild mannered and sheepish fucktards who did what they were told, that's for sure.
If you don't like my opinion, do what everyone else does, censor it by modding it down.
Use something else, sheesh. If managing something like Fedora is too much for you I would suggest running something like Slackware. If you are running services you probably aren't using it for a workstation anyway so I could only assume from your vaugue post that you dont need all that convoluted package management to begin with.
Excellent point! See what I mean about forgetting where we come from? This process of crumblying liberty is killing us slowly enough that it will take a couple of generations to wipe out all free thought, and by that time nobody will have a clue what its like to have real human rights.
The big comms companies are even looking at it all wrong, but they didn't ask me what I thought... This would be a good way for them to drop a stone and get on with building massive, more reliable, and faster fiber networks between cities to improve my ping, which I am willing to pay for. The municipalities maintaining their own networks could raise funds however, probably a door for Internet access tax (which will eventually happen here, but why not make it worthwhile), to provide the service to the people, and provide those jobs with the City that feed families and provide medical benefits for alot of the poor children of those families.
That last point you make pretty much summarizes how I look at the big picture here. I'm to the point now where I believe that the less we do to fight this kind thing, the sooner there will be an end to it. Taking action, fighting all of these obscure and spurious laws will only stall the inevitable:
One day they will have such a tight grip that everyone in the country will be affected. Until that time comes there will be no rest. NO REST!
That is only to say that I'd just as soon vote for someone who would bring on even worse laws as I would for someone who might really try to change things because the whole idea of a modern 'democracy' is so twisted and convoluted that we will never see an elected official put into office that is not corrupted by the smell of money.
Furthermore I sincerely hope that we do reach a breaking point before another generation comes and goes and people have all but forgotten what it is like to be able to do whatever the hell you want without violating anothers rights, and just what those rights really are. It almost seems like laws get passed to encourage you to trample on your neighbor and not give a shit about the rest of the world rotting around us.
Id love to contribute to making my community a better place like that, but unfortunately it will be illegal soon. I will never understand how these laws get passed when it is obviously about money and money only. We can't build a MAN because it might cost some gigantic coroporation money? That is outright bullshit in my book. This is effectively censorship if you look at it right. What really gets me is how they think they can really stop us. What are they going to do? Bust down my door and take my WIFI router away? Throw me in prison for building a network? This is way out of hand allready, and I don't think this kind of shit is going to stop until were all in jail and there won't be anyone left to defend the majority Big Mac eating populace from their own stupid apathy.
Linux needs to earn my respect by catering to my laziness.
Ill bite.
When I sit in front of a Linux install I am bombarded with information. My senses are overload and its a real rush. Freedom is good word for the feeling. This feeling may not appeal to the masses who are so used to having cake and eating it too while not knowing where the cake came from or what is in it. When I sit in front of a Windows installation I feel like I'm getting dumber with each click, and cant help but wonder what the hell is wrong with people who swear by it. Its like staring at a brick wall and trying to get work done.
I can understand your sentiment to an extent but geez man, Linux was never about laziness. RTFM as they say. I can easily picture a version of Windows that you can use without even knowing how to read. I guess that can be a good thing if you never intend to learn anything. Proactive contribution and learning is what is going to drive us forward, not laying around on our fat asses blindly clicking on things we barely understand. I know we arent all rocket scientists but that doesnt mean we have an obligation to live up to that Lazy American stereotype either. Sooner or later you have to ask yourself if you are really getting what you pay for when you buy in to some OEM PC+OS EULA from hell. That thought alone might actually cater to your disposition.
Granted we can all live our lives how we choose but personally I believe morality alone is cause enough to at least acknowledge that there is a bigger issue at hand here. You really are either part of the problem or part of the solution, and I can state factually that buying in to a monopoly is not going to benefit anyone but the monopoly holder in the end. That is the nature of the beast, and taking over other markets using a monopololistic advantage is illegal for this reason. Are you willing to work until you die just to "be lazy" sometimes or are you willing to understand that people like us have the advantage when it comes to creating something we can all use and prosper from in the long run? Its called equilibrium. The guy who theorized it won the Nobel Prize. Gates on the other hand is not likely to be a candidate for that award any time soon.
Your [comment about uptime vs security patches] is of course true, but I never said I made those decisions. The one I made was to use Linux enough on my own to get paid for it. I run slackware current at home with a patched up 2.6.10 and I play RTCW on it, but you simply cant reboot a server with [ALOT] of domains on it even once a month. Between almost predictable drive and power supply failure after a reboot and people who claim to lose millions from an hour of downtime with a $10/month shared hosting plan, it just doesnt work that way. If a server like that goes down the phones ring for hours and valuable time is lost that could be used building new machines and MOVING DOMAINS TO THEM. Again, lots of info there but I aint the one in charge yet;)
Yeah, some real intensive hyperthreading:) I knew someone was going to get me on that.
You know what I mean though. Often we only need 3 people maintaining the entire UNIX base of the facility making up for ~80% of server count. We need twice as many Windows engineers to handle just the ~10% of servers running Windows at any given moment. Do the math and you'll see we would need like 50 "Windows Guys" and management to keep tabs on so much unpredictable activity. Its really rediculous, and, to be "near-topic", we would completely kick MS out of the picture here if we could get away with pissing off people dependent on applications that will now only run on Windows. This is a serious setback, it has the potential to affect our use of things like ASP and Front Page extensions that people are so hopelessly addicted to.
And there we find the core of their business model. Why would any computer literate person use IE? Because some sites just wont render without it. Why? Because they were written in crap like ASP with ActiveX all over the place. Why? Because MS locked out all the competition. How? Because it was clickey clickey easy even though the server and every PC connected to it is owned by some Chinese spamming operation... Who COULDNT go on about that...
Statistics like ours and controversial behavior described in the article do nothing for the benefit of the doubt alot of people want to give microsoft with any issue - especially issues related to them seemingly 'defending' themselves from 'unscrupulous' Linux users who might be forced to deal with what is NOW officially rotware just to make the girls in HR happy about the reports we have to send out all the time.
they have totally shot themselves in the foot with this. if they had done all that improvement handling people might actually WANT to buy their software rather than feeling like they don't have a choice. The overall vibe from this whole thing just goes to show that MS will do whatever it can to literally force people into buying something. Its like extortion, which, as seen lately, they are also good at,
If you are implying that Windows is more secure because you can click on an anti-virus icon you have yet to understand the nature of the problem.
Think of the gold in Fort Knox as your personal information, and think of the fort itself as the server or PC.
Fort Knox is not secure because it was easy to do, nor is it secure because they spent ungodly amounts of money securing it. Fort Knox is secure because it was well thought out, well implemented, and has been modeled after the sum of innumerable years of open ideas about how to build a stronghold. The idea of hiding all that gold under a rug and hoping nobody will notice is utterly absurd. All it would take is for someone to accidentally kick the rug or tell just one person where the gold is and its all over. Conversely all it would take is just one person to talk about a hole in Fort Knox to have the entire Army in Kentucky in a matter of hours.
Better to ensure our users don't need
anything from that website.
Well spoken. The same goes for microsoft as well: think about all that effort they put in to all that code over the years to break other software and twist standards and spy on you and keep you from doing anything they don't want... and then think of how much better windows could possibly be if they had spent all that time making the product more functional and fixing all the damned bugs.
Boy can we learn from this... oh wait, we allready have.
I sure as hell don't use windows or windows based apps so news like this is just funny to me when I look at the triple digit uptime on most of the 5000 web servers we run from my own gentoo workstation.
This is also a very simple solution which webhosting companies also recieve 300 calls a day about -- the ISP is effectively censoring internet traffic, and using SSL is not something joedomain.com is willing to pay for, and doing so would make even more work for internet users (spam bots will now be crafty enough to find the user's login and password for SMTP server).
man you got it all wrong. where in the hell did you get the idea that we are scared of terrorists? CNN? i know you didnt get that idea by sitting on that 911 plane when your buddy got his ass beat during the final moments.
dont you get it? we will die for our country, just as you will die trying to bring it down. its called war, and in war there is no room for fear, only the recognition of certainty of death. this is something our forefathers knew to the bone and passed down to us as we built this country from the ground up.
if your government is too corrupt to support the needs of its people then you need to take that up with them. our government isnt going to listen to us until we riot in the streets by the millions, and thats not going to happen as long as the NFL, Big Macs, and Budweiser are number one. no government listens to its people unless they are banging down the doors. thats just the way it works.
your own governments may not be so receptive to the idea of change, so what do you want from the people of the U.S.? you want us to write a letter? you want us to all quit our jobs and protest everything that is wrong with the world and get thrown in prison for the beliefs of a third world civilization that beats women religiously and spits on basic human rights?
all we can do here is vote, and even that doesnt matter. its all about the thresh hold for inconvenience we Americans have. things wont change until they need to. you need to explore your local options if you think there is something wrong with the place you live in rather than walk around in the guise of a free citizen of the U.S. with a bomb up your ass.
maybe you should use the guns you have just as we did when we got fed up 200 years ago. we kicked the crap out of the people who were at our door telling us what to do, and thats what you need to do.
payback time? i think you just need to catch up. its OK to be PISSED, just direct your anger to the right efforts or none of this will ever end.
LOOK AT OUR ELECTIONS! theyre a joke. apathy reigns and we are spoiled and left fighting day to day for food on the table. it could have happened anywhere.
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These things are an entity of greed, something in which the GPL was not founded. IMHO the GPL is an agreement between the user and the developer to maintain the inegrity of the code, and to further its existence and usefulness. This, by nature, is in effect the opposite of that which defines conventional means of protecting ideas and property.
Developing open source software for public use is not something attributed to those who would benefit from doing so arbitrarily, it is something attributed to those who would better the world around them no matter what they are doing.
The true meaning behind the division we see is far deeper than what can and cannot be enforceable. The problem we are facing has resolution in the re-thinking of laws and governing institutions over our daily lives. The GPL is not something which can be negotiated or changed to make the individual able to wave in the air in a courtroom, it is a doctrine to which can be added for the need of expanding an idealistic medium of communication between the individual and the masses.
We'll see what is enforceable and what isn't when these big companies that are dumping money in to open source development feel like they have something to protect from each other.
Helping customers and fixing problems with your business is what customer service should be about. Voicing our complaints and boycotting faulty desing and workmanship is how the system is worked. Consumer electronics are at an all time high for mediocrity and planned obsolescence. The more noise people make, and the more bugs these manufacturers are willing to fix the better the quality of living for all will be.
Being in the service industry it's been my experience that 1 unhappy customer, who isn't just a total dick, can lead to much lost business and a snowball of other complaints once word gets out.
The bottom line is customer service. Supply and demand. Don't even think for a second that some American is going to lose his job if you don't return your p.o.s. mp3 player for a full refund. The person losing their job over it will be some kid in a relatively poor company who will only grow more restless and have a stronger voice in changing his corrupt country. This is life on Earth in 2005. If you want to go around buying junk even though you know it's junk then do so, but don't go around telling people it's ok without expecting to be told to shut the fuck up.
Just depends on how this level of security is implemented. I think its horse shit that Microsoft sells fixes for its own cataclysmic flaws. Its too easy to perpetuate that kind of business. System security, like with *nix, should be on the kernel level with other applications enhancing and managing it, not on the application level leaving system security to the wits of the user. This top level handling of viruses is, redunantly put, another ploy to extend their monopoly. Its far too convenient for Microsft to say 'well you bitched about the security and we are offering a fix, so shut up' when the bottom line is that these problems should never have existed in the first place, and Microsoft should be held accountable for that.
I, for one, welcome our new Feline overlords.
As a long time Slackware and FreeBSD user, I'm just waiting for a good check to come in so I can get a Mac. My problem is that I'm afraid I'll find it so cool and so much better that I will drop my beloved OS's and lose interest.
As far as Microsoft is concerned, well, they kissed my ass years ago when I dropped out around Windows 98. If there is ever a chance for Mac's to become more affordable I do not see a future for Microsoft. They can't sue us for NOT using their shit. Heh.
his donations amount to one of us giving about 500 bucks to the cause, some more, some less. WOW. not bad for a lifetime contribution.
..is what helped bring the non-technical person to the computer - and that brought their money..
...is that we make sense...
id have to agree there. gates made all that possible and more with a browser that looks like swiss cheese to anyone with a copy of notepad and a website. bet you probably thought that gator thing was a real cool feature huh.
which helped increase the computer industry to what it is today.
would that be the computer repair industry or the spyware industry? i know you arent talking about the server market. (btw everyone i know uses linux at home you twirp)
So far the only person speaking out of his ass is you.
i would definetly re-think that one. personally, id much rather be outside of his ass.
But then again, the problem with speaking with people like you..
no matter what we show that Bill or people like him [MICHAEL JACKSON] have done as positive - you will say "well that doesn't count, because its a cheap stunt."
no, it doesnt count because its an expensive stunt.
I guess everyone donating donates as a cheap stunt.
cmon, pay attention here. are you even listening?
some donators donate dough but dont donate for the sake of dough donation, theyre just donating donations so they dont look like dicks.
seriously, its an expensive stunt, not a cheap one. snap out of it.
Your a troll - go jack off to a porn mag.
you must be really old.
back in my day we had to jack off to magazines!
i know, sorry fellas, im an asshole today.
Truly a credit to the American Judicial System:
1) Do something illegal.
2) Get reported.
3) Sue for NDA breach.
4) Profit!
My job is to clean up servers and bust fraudulent web sites. Anything that can be done to stop this abuse of the Internet is open for approval here. Often big spamming operations have to do something illegal to get the mail out to begin with, such as crack a password or exploit a script to install a bot. I probably stop around 50,000 spam emails a night on our systems and its a never ending battle. Spam is email, and anyone can use email. Protect your passwords and keep your scripts in check, and well, I'll have to move on to something else.
Our operation doesn't have much of a place for these FC installs. Someone can request it, sure, but by the time they hose their install there is allready a new version out. Might be convenient but damn, whats the point of releasing 4 a year? Personally, when it comes to server, I think Debian has a better outlook on all of that.
I have to say... I found your innocent comment almost insulting!
Personally I don't think this article's subject is any reason whatsoever to use Linux.
Sure, sure, go burn your stupid CD with the click of a mouse. Wee. Get hooked so nobody else's projects will ever make it. What are you going to do with your mouse when all the other projects are dead and you can't use Nero anymore because upgrades cost too much or your version "is not supported"? Buy something else? Ahh, that's it, you'll take your money elsewhere because you are used to paying out the nose for something you can't even own. Proprietary obsolescense at it's best.
Yeah, I know, "but the article says it's free". For now at least. This article really rubs me the wrong way. I can't stand the fact that it made it here. If I wasn't so tired (and drunk) I'd take the time to write you a script that could handle alot of the most common things needed for burning several types of CD's. Maybe I'll work on that tomorrow just to spite these fuckers.
I use Linux for the same reason I bought a truck that didn't come with an EULA saying I can't open the hood. Alot of developers and admins make better money doing other things besides putting buttons on a bash script and trying to package it like this. I'm reminded of when Visual Basic first came out. All these crapware apps hit the scene doing simple shit like a graphical traceroute and sign-u-on-alot, etc - some eventually growing together and becoming big money. Sickening to think this could happen to Linux where no source code could be available and the whole Idea lost to a generation of "converts".
Think about this. Why bother "Making The Big Switch" just because of something like this? I stuck with the tools I need to get my job done and done well. Stick with Windows. It will make my job of fixing bugs and hammering out workstation and server images alot easier if I don't have to include a bunch of shit that nobody can fix or understand why it broke because there is no source. We leave that bullshit for the Windows Guys. Talk about a miserable bunch, "ah just format it again".
Granted I'm not having the best day either, but that isn't because of the worm/bug/feature going around rebooting Server 2003 right now that nobody can seem to track down.
I realize alot of you think this might be a step in the right direction, but it's not. First of all, how many distro's do you think this will support (or be supported by)? You sure as hell aren't going to see a tgz of source code coming from them any time soon. Secondly, who could possibly benefit from this in the long run? Has history taught us nothing? Is this what we really want to become of each and every app that we use? CD's are allready designed to rot as it is, that itself is bad enough without having to rely on someone to provide us with software to write them.
Despite what you may think of my slant on this there is a very simple fact you cannot ignore: for each person like me, there are 10 Microsofties with a shitload of money and weight to throw around because of the name they carry. That is not to say anything good about the jobs they have, or anything bad about the money I make, its to show what it took to bring Linux here to begin with. It wasn't done by a bunch of mild mannered and sheepish fucktards who did what they were told, that's for sure.
If you don't like my opinion, do what everyone else does, censor it by modding it down.
we will kick your ass, drink your beer, and steal your women. and then fix your server.
Use something else, sheesh. If managing something like Fedora is too much for you I would suggest running something like Slackware. If you are running services you probably aren't using it for a workstation anyway so I could only assume from your vaugue post that you dont need all that convoluted package management to begin with.
but then they couldn't fund it using tax-payer dollars
What a relief... I was beginning to believe there was no end to what could be funded tax payer dollars...
Excellent point! See what I mean about forgetting where we come from? This process of crumblying liberty is killing us slowly enough that it will take a couple of generations to wipe out all free thought, and by that time nobody will have a clue what its like to have real human rights.
The big comms companies are even looking at it all wrong, but they didn't ask me what I thought... This would be a good way for them to drop a stone and get on with building massive, more reliable, and faster fiber networks between cities to improve my ping, which I am willing to pay for. The municipalities maintaining their own networks could raise funds however, probably a door for Internet access tax (which will eventually happen here, but why not make it worthwhile), to provide the service to the people, and provide those jobs with the City that feed families and provide medical benefits for alot of the poor children of those families.
That last point you make pretty much summarizes how I look at the big picture here. I'm to the point now where I believe that the less we do to fight this kind thing, the sooner there will be an end to it. Taking action, fighting all of these obscure and spurious laws will only stall the inevitable:
One day they will have such a tight grip that everyone in the country will be affected. Until that time comes there will be no rest. NO REST!
That is only to say that I'd just as soon vote for someone who would bring on even worse laws as I would for someone who might really try to change things because the whole idea of a modern 'democracy' is so twisted and convoluted that we will never see an elected official put into office that is not corrupted by the smell of money.
Furthermore I sincerely hope that we do reach a breaking point before another generation comes and goes and people have all but forgotten what it is like to be able to do whatever the hell you want without violating anothers rights, and just what those rights really are. It almost seems like laws get passed to encourage you to trample on your neighbor and not give a shit about the rest of the world rotting around us.
Id love to contribute to making my community a better place like that, but unfortunately it will be illegal soon. I will never understand how these laws get passed when it is obviously about money and money only. We can't build a MAN because it might cost some gigantic coroporation money? That is outright bullshit in my book. This is effectively censorship if you look at it right. What really gets me is how they think they can really stop us. What are they going to do? Bust down my door and take my WIFI router away? Throw me in prison for building a network? This is way out of hand allready, and I don't think this kind of shit is going to stop until were all in jail and there won't be anyone left to defend the majority Big Mac eating populace from their own stupid apathy.
I knew you would say that.
Linux needs to earn my respect by catering to my laziness.
Ill bite.
When I sit in front of a Linux install I am bombarded with information. My senses are overload and its a real rush. Freedom is good word for the feeling. This feeling may not appeal to the masses who are so used to having cake and eating it too while not knowing where the cake came from or what is in it. When I sit in front of a Windows installation I feel like I'm getting dumber with each click, and cant help but wonder what the hell is wrong with people who swear by it. Its like staring at a brick wall and trying to get work done.
I can understand your sentiment to an extent but geez man, Linux was never about laziness. RTFM as they say. I can easily picture a version of Windows that you can use without even knowing how to read. I guess that can be a good thing if you never intend to learn anything. Proactive contribution and learning is what is going to drive us forward, not laying around on our fat asses blindly clicking on things we barely understand. I know we arent all rocket scientists but that doesnt mean we have an obligation to live up to that Lazy American stereotype either. Sooner or later you have to ask yourself if you are really getting what you pay for when you buy in to some OEM PC+OS EULA from hell. That thought alone might actually cater to your disposition.
Granted we can all live our lives how we choose but personally I believe morality alone is cause enough to at least acknowledge that there is a bigger issue at hand here. You really are either part of the problem or part of the solution, and I can state factually that buying in to a monopoly is not going to benefit anyone but the monopoly holder in the end. That is the nature of the beast, and taking over other markets using a monopololistic advantage is illegal for this reason. Are you willing to work until you die just to "be lazy" sometimes or are you willing to understand that people like us have the advantage when it comes to creating something we can all use and prosper from in the long run? Its called equilibrium. The guy who theorized it won the Nobel Prize. Gates on the other hand is not likely to be a candidate for that award any time soon.
Your [comment about uptime vs security patches] is of course true, but I never said I made those decisions. The one I made was to use Linux enough on my own to get paid for it. I run slackware current at home with a patched up 2.6.10 and I play RTCW on it, but you simply cant reboot a server with [ALOT] of domains on it even once a month. Between almost predictable drive and power supply failure after a reboot and people who claim to lose millions from an hour of downtime with a $10/month shared hosting plan, it just doesnt work that way. If a server like that goes down the phones ring for hours and valuable time is lost that could be used building new machines and MOVING DOMAINS TO THEM. Again, lots of info there but I aint the one in charge yet ;)
Yeah, some real intensive hyperthreading :) I knew someone was going to get me on that.
You know what I mean though. Often we only need 3 people maintaining the entire UNIX base of the facility making up for ~80% of server count. We need twice as many Windows engineers to handle just the ~10% of servers running Windows at any given moment. Do the math and you'll see we would need like 50 "Windows Guys" and management to keep tabs on so much unpredictable activity. Its really rediculous, and, to be "near-topic", we would completely kick MS out of the picture here if we could get away with pissing off people dependent on applications that will now only run on Windows. This is a serious setback, it has the potential to affect our use of things like ASP and Front Page extensions that people are so hopelessly addicted to.
And there we find the core of their business model. Why would any computer literate person use IE? Because some sites just wont render without it. Why? Because they were written in crap like ASP with ActiveX all over the place. Why? Because MS locked out all the competition. How? Because it was clickey clickey easy even though the server and every PC connected to it is owned by some Chinese spamming operation... Who COULDNT go on about that...
Statistics like ours and controversial behavior described in the article do nothing for the benefit of the doubt alot of people want to give microsoft with any issue - especially issues related to them seemingly 'defending' themselves from 'unscrupulous' Linux users who might be forced to deal with what is NOW officially rotware just to make the girls in HR happy about the reports we have to send out all the time.
they have totally shot themselves in the foot with this. if they had done all that improvement handling people might actually WANT to buy their software rather than feeling like they don't have a choice. The overall vibe from this whole thing just goes to show that MS will do whatever it can to literally force people into buying something. Its like extortion, which, as seen lately, they are also good at,
If you are implying that Windows is more secure because you can click on an anti-virus icon you have yet to understand the nature of the problem.
Think of the gold in Fort Knox as your personal information, and think of the fort itself as the server or PC.
Fort Knox is not secure because it was easy to do, nor is it secure because they spent ungodly amounts of money securing it. Fort Knox is secure because it was well thought out, well implemented, and has been modeled after the sum of innumerable years of open ideas about how to build a stronghold. The idea of hiding all that gold under a rug and hoping nobody will notice is utterly absurd. All it would take is for someone to accidentally kick the rug or tell just one person where the gold is and its all over. Conversely all it would take is just one person to talk about a hole in Fort Knox to have the entire Army in Kentucky in a matter of hours.
Better to ensure our users don't need anything from that website.
Well spoken. The same goes for microsoft as well: think about all that effort they put in to all that code over the years to break other software and twist standards and spy on you and keep you from doing anything they don't want... and then think of how much better windows could possibly be if they had spent all that time making the product more functional and fixing all the damned bugs.
Boy can we learn from this... oh wait, we allready have.
I sure as hell don't use windows or windows based apps so news like this is just funny to me when I look at the triple digit uptime on most of the 5000 web servers we run from my own gentoo workstation.
This is also a very simple solution which webhosting companies also recieve 300 calls a day about -- the ISP is effectively censoring internet traffic, and using SSL is not something joedomain.com is willing to pay for, and doing so would make even more work for internet users (spam bots will now be crafty enough to find the user's login and password for SMTP server).
Enjoy the coming years of terror sucker
man you got it all wrong. where in the hell did you get the idea that we are scared of terrorists? CNN? i know you didnt get that idea by sitting on that 911 plane when your buddy got his ass beat during the final moments.
dont you get it? we will die for our country, just as you will die trying to bring it down. its called war, and in war there is no room for fear, only the recognition of certainty of death. this is something our forefathers knew to the bone and passed down to us as we built this country from the ground up.
if your government is too corrupt to support the needs of its people then you need to take that up with them. our government isnt going to listen to us until we riot in the streets by the millions, and thats not going to happen as long as the NFL, Big Macs, and Budweiser are number one. no government listens to its people unless they are banging down the doors. thats just the way it works.
your own governments may not be so receptive to the idea of change, so what do you want from the people of the U.S.? you want us to write a letter? you want us to all quit our jobs and protest everything that is wrong with the world and get thrown in prison for the beliefs of a third world civilization that beats women religiously and spits on basic human rights?
all we can do here is vote, and even that doesnt matter. its all about the thresh hold for inconvenience we Americans have. things wont change until they need to. you need to explore your local options if you think there is something wrong with the place you live in rather than walk around in the guise of a free citizen of the U.S. with a bomb up your ass.
maybe you should use the guns you have just as we did when we got fed up 200 years ago. we kicked the crap out of the people who were at our door telling us what to do, and thats what you need to do.
payback time? i think you just need to catch up. its OK to be PISSED, just direct your anger to the right efforts or none of this will ever end.
The wall phones are ringing off the hook. Thanks /.
LOOK AT OUR ELECTIONS! theyre a joke. apathy reigns and we are spoiled and left fighting day to day for food on the table. it could have happened anywhere.