Screw that, if another country is more efficient handling our crap jobs ( and let's face it, the programing jobs that are getting exported are the crap jobs ), then by all means let's let them.
Fedora will never be a fully functional production OS, for it's in the conflict with Red Hat's ability to sell its "enterprise" products.
Good point.
For people who need a stable, secure, easy to maintain OS to run their production systems I would recommend Debian.
That's great, but what if you want something usable? Debian's packages are so old that it's mostly irrelevant in situations where you need to interoperate with any windows technology.
You've got the shape of it, let me flesh it out a bit.
In the small to mid size business, asterisk ( and digium ) is where it's at ( as far as the free stuff. And I hear it's better than a lot of the paid for stuff ). Now picture intel hardware working with asterisk. Competition, pure and simple. And consumers would benefit.
Also, imagine what kind of attention Intel can bring to this area of linux. I know many linux admins who have never heard of asterisk. And with that kind of exposure on an already established project, it's usability would skyrocket.
They are the most soulless company I can think of. They aren't doing this because they think they can make the service turn a profit, they want survey data on our kids so they can more tailor ( ie: bastardize ) stories to grab them in.
This would be great news for those developing Linux telephony apps.
Wow, master of the understatement. That would be *HUGE*. Already there is considerable momentum behind projects like asterisk. Just imagine if we got access to good telephony hardware in linux.
That'd be a boon. Not only to those of us in the field, but to businesses world wide.
Actually, I think that was more a reference to the last episode of Star Trek, TNG. When Que starts flipping Picard between the three different time periods, and he..uh..
Anybody remember Not Necessarily the News? Remember the one with the device that detects when you start falling asleep and beeps? As I recall, they closed the show with the then president ( Regan ) making a speech, with an audio overlay of the beeps of many journalists falling asleep.
I think this is an amazing device ( if works as advertised, which is unlikely ) that the people who should be wearing it won't wear.
Their business model is becoming irrelevant. Much as the music industry selling songs on physical media, their model is failing. So they flail around looking for someone to blame ( much as the riaa does ).
Of course, I can't believe I'm actually agreeing with Disney on this. Those people are soulless.
I'd say the kind of spam filter I'd prefer does not delete any mails, just tags them so I easily can do any filtering I want with them. But oh, I forgot. You don't have to know how to use a computer to use a computer. That is, people could never be bothered with something like that.
While elitest, you fail to grasp what the grand parent was saying;
ISPs should be doing this anyway, to save on bandwidth. This has nothing to do with a user. Hell, I'm careful with my email address, and I still get spam.
It can be considered a truth; The probability of any email address recieving spam approaches 1 in direct relation to said address's age.
So your comment really makes no sense. Yes, I tag my spam and filter it on my own. But I also have my mail server setup to check spamhaus so I can *NOT* recieve that mail in the first place.
And yet, when you tell a CEO that he/she can pay 100g for a proprietary phone system with on-reusable phones, or 15g for an open system where the phones and equipment can be reused AND will have more flexibility and features, guess which they choose?
In fact, in my dealings, I've found the price to be too low at times, and have had to artificially inflate it, which I hate doing. CEOs just don't trust something that cheap. I typically up my charges per hour, which they are well aware of. It makes the final number higher, and they are more comfortable with it.
Skype may make it easy for the home user, but that's not where the money and influence is.
Sorry if you don't like these facts, though... do you work for Digium by any chance?
No, I'm a voip contractor ( among other things ). I have an install base of about 20 businesses. Figure about 50 or so people at each business, so I'm responsible for about 1000 people using VoIP with *. And I'm relatively new to this.
I agree that skype has made more headlines. But for serious work, those that know use *.
This proprietary peer-to-peer telephony application provided the first real quality VoIP product (did we mention it's free here?) that has built a cult following and spurred industry questions about why corporations can't move to convergence more quickly. Skype picked up both business clout and deep pockets when eBay bought the company in the fall of 2005
Hello? Asterisk anybody?
Open source? Check Open standards? Check ( note: skype is not open in this regard ) Quality product? Check check check Huge business impact? Check
Not to mention asterisk isn't burdened with weird restrictions fueled by marketing concerns. Digium is the company behind it, and they do make hardware that works with it, but it's hardly locked down to *that* specific hardware.
1) MS is rewriting key components from the ground up ( tcp/ip for one ). 2) They are pushing for a faster and faster release cycle 3) They are replacing managers working on vista. 4) DRM will be built into vista
Yeah huh. If it's all the same to you guys, I think I'll stick with xp on my home system ( just recently upgraded, btw ). Vista sounds like it's going to be a painful upgrade for the world at large, and I'd rather not experience that if at all possible.
1) If you had read the patch notes, or even the FA, you'd have realized that up2date has been replaced with pup. No, I'm not going to tell you the difference. You'll just have to figure it out for yourself.
2) Fedora also comes on DVDs, you may have heard of that. Also, for anybody with at least one other nfs capable server at home mounts the image over the network. It's the only way to fly.
Slashdot Mirror
I stop at 1. For what I'm searching for, after the first page I'm getting foreign languages or jibberish.
Someone should go to their door and kick them squarely in the nuts for being idiots.
It's BETA folks, means it might break things. Back up your data if you absolutely must play with it.
Hell, back up your data anyway.
Screw that, if another country is more efficient handling our crap jobs ( and let's face it, the programing jobs that are getting exported are the crap jobs ), then by all means let's let them.
Fedora will never be a fully functional production OS, for it's in the conflict with Red Hat's ability to sell its "enterprise" products.
Good point.
For people who need a stable, secure, easy to maintain OS to run their production systems I would recommend Debian.
That's great, but what if you want something usable? Debian's packages are so old that it's mostly irrelevant in situations where you need to interoperate with any windows technology.
I'm willing to bet, were there a way to accurately gauge, we'd find that RH and it's derivites have the largest install base of all the distros.
So yes, they are relevant. Software is written with RH in mind. It might work on other systems, but the target system is RH.
And yet, you still said it.
You've got the shape of it, let me flesh it out a bit.
In the small to mid size business, asterisk ( and digium ) is where it's at ( as far as the free stuff. And I hear it's better than a lot of the paid for stuff ). Now picture intel hardware working with asterisk. Competition, pure and simple. And consumers would benefit.
Also, imagine what kind of attention Intel can bring to this area of linux. I know many linux admins who have never heard of asterisk. And with that kind of exposure on an already established project, it's usability would skyrocket.
...were this anyone other than Disney.
They are the most soulless company I can think of. They aren't doing this because they think they can make the service turn a profit, they want survey data on our kids so they can more tailor ( ie: bastardize ) stories to grab them in.
This would be great news for those developing Linux telephony apps.
Wow, master of the understatement. That would be *HUGE*. Already there is considerable momentum behind projects like asterisk. Just imagine if we got access to good telephony hardware in linux.
That'd be a boon. Not only to those of us in the field, but to businesses world wide.
I read that. They knowingly broke the law. Nevermind it's an idiotic law, this person *knew* it was illegal and they did it anyway.
Sure, they deserve a fine. Sure, the RIAA is being idiotic.
'perform useful tasks such as fetching a beer or even helping to carry the groceries.'
Finally, a useful robot. Not one of those pussy robots that serve in hospitals, dispensing life saving medications.
Guilty as charged.
I've been working with my mail server all morning.
er...
Actually, I think that was more a reference to the last episode of Star Trek, TNG. When Que starts flipping Picard between the three different time periods, and he..uh..
Sorry, yeah, I'm a geek. Sorry.
Anybody else thinking this is actually an improvement for Zonk?
Anybody remember Not Necessarily the News? Remember the one with the device that detects when you start falling asleep and beeps? As I recall, they closed the show with the then president ( Regan ) making a speech, with an audio overlay of the beeps of many journalists falling asleep.
I think this is an amazing device ( if works as advertised, which is unlikely ) that the people who should be wearing it won't wear.
Their business model is becoming irrelevant. Much as the music industry selling songs on physical media, their model is failing. So they flail around looking for someone to blame ( much as the riaa does ).
Of course, I can't believe I'm actually agreeing with Disney on this. Those people are soulless.
Almost every conversation on /. gets hostile pretty quickly. Even the ones about Natalie Portman.
Perhaps ESEPECIALLY those about Natalie Portman.
Get firefox. Then get this: https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php ?id=433&application=firefox
Problem solved.
I'd say the kind of spam filter I'd prefer does not delete any mails, just tags them so I easily can do any filtering I want with them. But oh, I forgot. You don't have to know how to use a computer to use a computer. That is, people could never be bothered with something like that.
While elitest, you fail to grasp what the grand parent was saying;
ISPs should be doing this anyway, to save on bandwidth. This has nothing to do with a user. Hell, I'm careful with my email address, and I still get spam.
It can be considered a truth; The probability of any email address recieving spam approaches 1 in direct relation to said address's age.
So your comment really makes no sense. Yes, I tag my spam and filter it on my own. But I also have my mail server setup to check spamhaus so I can *NOT* recieve that mail in the first place.
Easy to use windows GUI? BZZZZZZZT.
Sorry. Asterisk fails to pass muster.
And yet, when you tell a CEO that he/she can pay 100g for a proprietary phone system with on-reusable phones, or 15g for an open system where the phones and equipment can be reused AND will have more flexibility and features, guess which they choose?
In fact, in my dealings, I've found the price to be too low at times, and have had to artificially inflate it, which I hate doing. CEOs just don't trust something that cheap. I typically up my charges per hour, which they are well aware of. It makes the final number higher, and they are more comfortable with it.
Skype may make it easy for the home user, but that's not where the money and influence is.
Sorry if you don't like these facts, though... do you work for Digium by any chance?
No, I'm a voip contractor ( among other things ). I have an install base of about 20 businesses. Figure about 50 or so people at each business, so I'm responsible for about 1000 people using VoIP with *. And I'm relatively new to this.
I agree that skype has made more headlines. But for serious work, those that know use *.
From TFA:
Skype
2003
This proprietary peer-to-peer telephony application provided the first real quality VoIP product (did we mention it's free here?) that has built a cult following and spurred industry questions about why corporations can't move to convergence more quickly. Skype picked up both business clout and deep pockets when eBay bought the company in the fall of 2005
Hello? Asterisk anybody?
Open source? Check
Open standards? Check ( note: skype is not open in this regard )
Quality product? Check check check
Huge business impact? Check
Not to mention asterisk isn't burdened with weird restrictions fueled by marketing concerns. Digium is the company behind it, and they do make hardware that works with it, but it's hardly locked down to *that* specific hardware.
FTFA:
Microsoft also said Mike Nash will leave his job as head of its security technology unit for an unspecified role.
Now, as soon as I read this, I caught myself thinking, "Maybe he was doing his job TOO well, hence all the delays".
Let me get this straight
1) MS is rewriting key components from the ground up ( tcp/ip for one ).
2) They are pushing for a faster and faster release cycle
3) They are replacing managers working on vista.
4) DRM will be built into vista
Yeah huh. If it's all the same to you guys, I think I'll stick with xp on my home system ( just recently upgraded, btw ). Vista sounds like it's going to be a painful upgrade for the world at large, and I'd rather not experience that if at all possible.
1) If you had read the patch notes, or even the FA, you'd have realized that up2date has been replaced with pup. No, I'm not going to tell you the difference. You'll just have to figure it out for yourself.
2) Fedora also comes on DVDs, you may have heard of that. Also, for anybody with at least one other nfs capable server at home mounts the image over the network. It's the only way to fly.