Let's be clear about where the blame is to be placed: Trigdell ( I'm assuming that's the guy that reversed BK, correct me if I'm wrong ) didn't do anything wrong. The folks behind BK threw a fit and pulled the plug. It was ultimately their decision to do what they did, and the consquences are their responsibility.
Further, it might be argued that Linus was cautioned against BK for exactly these reasons, but he chose them anyway.
Trigdell didn't do anything wrong. Or, if he did do something wrong, then it started way before BK with Samba. And while the US government may want us to believe that reverse engineering is "Wrong(tm)", it is not.
So stop taking what he says as gospel. Yes, he is incredibly intelligent. And yes, he has a very good grasp about what's going on most of the time.
However, this is the same guy that got upset at the Samba guy for reversing bitkeeper.
I'm not arguing with his statement, btw. I've always liked KDE better than gnome. What I am saying is let the poor man have his opinion without starting a flame war.
Folks, this is getting interesting. VOIP is starting to explode. With projects like skype and asterisk, along side with the chat clients building it in, the phone companies ( well, ok, SBC/Ma bell ) are starting to get jittery.
For example: I recently placed an order for a p2p ds3 from sbc. The "market executive" went out of his way to make sure that the line was more than suitable for everything I'd need. Not two minutes later, he said it isn't recommended for voip applications.
Mark my words: We are going to start seeing legislation barring voip in any meaningful way.
Why not just start with QT and BAM! Instantly portable app ( well, not instant. I'm sure there are considerations you have to keep in mind if you want portable, but it's easier at least )?
I do light programming, nothing professional, so maybe I'm just not in on the loop on this one.
WinXP Pro is ~150. Maybe as low as 120, I haven't looked in a while. Comes prebundled with a TS license ( yes, virginia, you do need a seperate and unique license to access TS ).
Stand alone TS licenses run ~180-200 ( last I checked ).
You can't buy winxp Pro and just use the TS license.
So, we have a situation where it's more expensive to run linux than it is to run windows, artificially created by MS I know. However, PHBs don't get the distiction, and thus you are destined to get denied.
That makes no sense. You're going to hold some vague high ground and not install this because it might allow Sony's DRM to be installed? Rather than protect yourself by eliminating 95% of the threats, you won't protect yourself at all? I don't get that attitude.
It makes more sense when you know there are other products out there, as you yourself point out. And my confidence level in them is higher than MS.
The key problem to mass adoption of a linux desktop is the lack of proprietary apps on linux.
For example: I work in the dental industry. We use digital xrays and a computerized practice manager. There are few valid options for a practice manager running on linux, and NO digital xray apps.
Hence, we use windows.
I think if you go looking, you will see it's much to same for other industries.
What happens when one of the major Movie studios implement some bullshit DRM tech that smells, looks and sounds like a virus? Will they take steps to treat it as such, or will their obvious conflict of interests prevent them from acting on it?
They have a lot to prove before I even think about using this application.
After how that entire situation was handled, I'm disgusted by ICANN and verisign ( who's on my shit list for the wildcard crap they pulled a year+ back ).
Of course, it's not like the money is going to go anywhere else than a lawyer's pocket, but in this case I don't mind that much.
Forcing telecoms to compete by making them lease their copper etc. has worked wonders.
Oh? Let's see, I can get dsl access through sbc or, uh...huh.
Yeah, or sbc. There is no one else in my area, and I'll be god damned if I give sbc a penny.
Public operated city wide wifi paid through taxes is the way to force competition. SBC ( and other carriers ) would have to have a really good package for people to want to use it ( normal people. I'm sure the wifi wouldn't work for the geeks out there ).
I have to disagree with the above statement. Once information is out, noone owns it and noone can choose who will have/share it and who wont. Once they published it, its out of their hands, they have no rights on it. To own information is just the most perverse extreme of the idea of propery I ever heard.
Ah, you come from the "If it ain't nailed down.." school of thought, eh?
Really, I am. I hate the MPAA, RIAA and Sony as much as anybody here, but why is it a bad thing that they convinced him not to link to their content which they never agreed to put online?
It's their choice. Their content. Like them or hate them, it's up to them whether they want them shared or not.
As long as they portray it as bad parenting and idiotic kids acting out bits from a video game. Or a book. Or a movie.
It's not that video games don't inspire mentally unstable people to do stupid things. That's a given. Mentally unstable people could find inspirations for their actions from a box of rice crispies.
...which is why you will soon see MS doing things to intentionally break packages like Qt. MS knows it's coming too, and they will have no real way to fight linux then.
Right now, the only thing keeping most people with MS is software selection. Most industry applications are written for windows, non-cross compatible. As more and more companies start using portable windowing libs, we will see a take off in linux usage. It's really a no brainer: You need an os on 100 computers to run your application. Do you choose the OS with a price tag of 100 bucks, or the one with a price tag of 0, that's easier to maintain than the one with the 100 price tag?
And for all of that, if it weren't for pop up blockers, we'd still have them on every page. In fact, I would say they would be so acceptable that slashdot would have them on every page.
I'm not dismissing google's achievements, I am simply saying they should not get more credit than they deserve.
Oh, and the bit about real products not needing advertising: Don't be silly. If I make a widget that does x better than everyone else but I tell no one about it, how is that widget going to gain popularity?
They simply chose a different form of advertising.
I'd actually that while the text ads had something to do with it, the massive growth in pop-up/under blockers made a large difference as well.
( ignoring missing words and all. I have no room to talk in that dept )
Can we please attribute things to where they belong? google may be the second coming of Christ, who knows, but let's try to keep their achievements realistic.
Slashdot Mirror
Let's be clear about where the blame is to be placed: Trigdell ( I'm assuming that's the guy that reversed BK, correct me if I'm wrong ) didn't do anything wrong. The folks behind BK threw a fit and pulled the plug. It was ultimately their decision to do what they did, and the consquences are their responsibility.
Further, it might be argued that Linus was cautioned against BK for exactly these reasons, but he chose them anyway.
Trigdell didn't do anything wrong. Or, if he did do something wrong, then it started way before BK with Samba. And while the US government may want us to believe that reverse engineering is "Wrong(tm)", it is not.
So stop taking what he says as gospel. Yes, he is incredibly intelligent. And yes, he has a very good grasp about what's going on most of the time.
However, this is the same guy that got upset at the Samba guy for reversing bitkeeper.
I'm not arguing with his statement, btw. I've always liked KDE better than gnome. What I am saying is let the poor man have his opinion without starting a flame war.
I think that may be a bit high brow humor for the morning crowd.
Got me chuckling though.
There already are standards. SIP. 711 ulaw/alaw. IAX to a lesser extent.
The problem is these new players want to carve their own niche and lock them in. They have MS envy, in essence.
That's why I love asterisk.
Folks, this is getting interesting. VOIP is starting to explode. With projects like skype and asterisk, along side with the chat clients building it in, the phone companies ( well, ok, SBC/Ma bell ) are starting to get jittery.
For example: I recently placed an order for a p2p ds3 from sbc. The "market executive" went out of his way to make sure that the line was more than suitable for everything I'd need. Not two minutes later, he said it isn't recommended for voip applications.
Mark my words: We are going to start seeing legislation barring voip in any meaningful way.
Question: How can you tell you are talking to a virus on AIM?
Answer: It sounds more intelligent than a normal user
it's free
It's free in the same sense linux is free: Only if your time is worthless.
( no, I'm not bashing linux. I love it, and use it everywhere I can. Now put down the pitch forks )
I thought a planet must be illuminated by light from a star, and not emitting light itself?
What this is referring to is the light directly from the star outshining the planet's reflected light.
I would assume, at anyrate. I am still trying to load the article.
Why not just start with QT and BAM! Instantly portable app ( well, not instant. I'm sure there are considerations you have to keep in mind if you want portable, but it's easier at least )?
I do light programming, nothing professional, so maybe I'm just not in on the loop on this one.
Which is why I'm running win2k terminal server
Let me illuminate this one for you:
WinXP Pro is ~150. Maybe as low as 120, I haven't looked in a while. Comes prebundled with a TS license ( yes, virginia, you do need a seperate and unique license to access TS ).
Stand alone TS licenses run ~180-200 ( last I checked ).
You can't buy winxp Pro and just use the TS license.
So, we have a situation where it's more expensive to run linux than it is to run windows, artificially created by MS I know. However, PHBs don't get the distiction, and thus you are destined to get denied.
That makes no sense. You're going to hold some vague high ground and not install this because it might allow Sony's DRM to be installed? Rather than protect yourself by eliminating 95% of the threats, you won't protect yourself at all? I don't get that attitude.
It makes more sense when you know there are other products out there, as you yourself point out. And my confidence level in them is higher than MS.
See? It really does make sense.
The key problem to mass adoption of a linux desktop is the lack of proprietary apps on linux.
For example: I work in the dental industry. We use digital xrays and a computerized practice manager. There are few valid options for a practice manager running on linux, and NO digital xray apps.
Hence, we use windows.
I think if you go looking, you will see it's much to same for other industries.
What happens when one of the major Movie studios implement some bullshit DRM tech that smells, looks and sounds like a virus? Will they take steps to treat it as such, or will their obvious conflict of interests prevent them from acting on it?
They have a lot to prove before I even think about using this application.
After how that entire situation was handled, I'm disgusted by ICANN and verisign ( who's on my shit list for the wildcard crap they pulled a year+ back ).
Of course, it's not like the money is going to go anywhere else than a lawyer's pocket, but in this case I don't mind that much.
Forcing telecoms to compete by making them lease their copper etc. has worked wonders.
Oh? Let's see, I can get dsl access through sbc or, uh...huh.
Yeah, or sbc. There is no one else in my area, and I'll be god damned if I give sbc a penny.
Public operated city wide wifi paid through taxes is the way to force competition. SBC ( and other carriers ) would have to have a really good package for people to want to use it ( normal people. I'm sure the wifi wouldn't work for the geeks out there ).
The final prototype includes sensors for tension, force, joint angle, end stroke and contact."
bwa hahahahhaah
I have to disagree with the above statement. Once information is out, noone owns it and noone can choose who will have/share it and who wont. Once they published it, its out of their hands, they have no rights on it.
To own information is just the most perverse extreme of the idea of propery I ever heard.
Ah, you come from the "If it ain't nailed down.." school of thought, eh?
Really, I am. I hate the MPAA, RIAA and Sony as much as anybody here, but why is it a bad thing that they convinced him not to link to their content which they never agreed to put online?
It's their choice. Their content. Like them or hate them, it's up to them whether they want them shared or not.
I don't think I'm seeing the problem here.
...for the lawyers.
The consumers ( you remember, the people these laws are supposed to protect ), on the otherhand, will likely see loose change for their troubles.
Apple choosing Intel, Dell choosing AMD, MS openning up Office formats.
Dogs and cats, living together! MASS HYSTERIA!
As long as they portray it as bad parenting and idiotic kids acting out bits from a video game. Or a book. Or a movie.
It's not that video games don't inspire mentally unstable people to do stupid things. That's a given. Mentally unstable people could find inspirations for their actions from a box of rice crispies.
It's how you portray it.
...which is why you will soon see MS doing things to intentionally break packages like Qt. MS knows it's coming too, and they will have no real way to fight linux then.
Right now, the only thing keeping most people with MS is software selection. Most industry applications are written for windows, non-cross compatible. As more and more companies start using portable windowing libs, we will see a take off in linux usage. It's really a no brainer: You need an os on 100 computers to run your application. Do you choose the OS with a price tag of 100 bucks, or the one with a price tag of 0, that's easier to maintain than the one with the 100 price tag?
And for all of that, if it weren't for pop up blockers, we'd still have them on every page. In fact, I would say they would be so acceptable that slashdot would have them on every page.
I'm not dismissing google's achievements, I am simply saying they should not get more credit than they deserve.
Oh, and the bit about real products not needing advertising: Don't be silly. If I make a widget that does x better than everyone else but I tell no one about it, how is that widget going to gain popularity?
They simply chose a different form of advertising.
...but what a stretch. Even Hemos notes it:
I'd actually that while the text ads had something to do with it, the massive growth in pop-up/under blockers made a large difference as well.
( ignoring missing words and all. I have no room to talk in that dept )
Can we please attribute things to where they belong? google may be the second coming of Christ, who knows, but let's try to keep their achievements realistic.