The truest definition of the word Crime: "A set of legally defined moral offenses." To be suscinct, the only thing we write laws against (crimes) is moral offenses.
In the words (paraphased) of Thomas Payne ("Common Sense" Feb 14, 1776 Boston Ms) Society is a lover. Government is a punisher, and it is established because people forget their society duties to each other. Government is a necessity caused because of the evil impulses of mankind. If all men were just there would be no need for Government.
It is also quite true that in no case does Law prevent crime. Laws may remind some of their obligations and thus reduce the choices made towards evil. Laws provide for redress of the injured parties to their former uninjured state. This brings up a mystery for some, called "crimes against the state." Such crimes are exampled by murder. It is quite impossible to restore a murdered person to life. What we try in a court of law is the issue of the general peace and safety of the population. It too was damaged by the murder. Trial, conviction and execution of murderers does restore the community to its feeling of safety. This safety is totally important for the normal function of society. Thus the arguements about injury and restoration are misplaced when they go to attempting to discuss prevention.
This leads right back to some of the greatest frauds and thefts going on today. Cable companies selling computer access to the net are stealing from people when they decide which packets of information they send. The people bought the right to send the packets. I for example get intercepted for sending too big of emails if I send a 5 megapixel photo of my kid as an attachment to my family. This is supposed to be on bandwidth considerations. Yet I can routinely download (Mozilla Firefox for example) much larger programs and I get no such limits. The VOIP intercepts are telling me which packets I can transmit and limiting me on bandwidth I have already bought. It is thieft to do so and it remains thieft even if the company disagrees or uses a device like a Service Contract to attempt to coerce me. Sometimes facts just do not change even if the liars attempt to make them appear different. This business of such limits is thieft on a grand scale. It represents the thieft of billions of dollars. The poor guy jailed for strong arm thieft of a $100 Bill is hardly justly ignored or anywhere as seriously a criminal as the CATV and other big telecom companies are.
I might not phrase things exactly your way and I might not be so general in application but the
Companies ARE greedy assholes. A corporation is a legal construct with the rights of a person and none of the morality, a construct whose sole purpose is to make money.
is sadly all too true for many companies.
Serious proposals for improvement of the telecommunications system should generally look something like this.
(1) All providers of pipelines that is the big transmission companies should have to sell only bandwidth.
(2) They should be prohibited from doing things like impeeding transmission of VOIP like cable companies are doing.
(3) They should be forced to sever their sales of this service from the sale of devices or other services such as occurs with wireless phones.
(4) They should have to sell there services on flat rate blocks of time/bandwidth.
(5) Of course they shouldn't be able to give one person preferred treatment over others because of other services or conditions
For the nuts out there who will yell "Free Enterprise" remember guys what you are talking about is a fantacy. It doesn't exist. These guys and their behavior prove it doesn't exist. Defending their misbehavior as free market denies the public benefits and mechanisms all of these companies take advantage of. They have a responsibility to us all.
Mod's if you don't like the truth, get a life. This is the truth and reasonable solutions.
The parent of this post has the whole point. Lock, Stock and barrel head. The NSA is tracking across the US Constitution and the people doing so at the NSA should be sent to trial under the rules we Americans tried Japanese and German War criminals at the end of WW2. The penalty should be the same as well. They should be hanged!
Don't worry guys(At NSA et. al.) you have nothing to fear unless the citizens start coming for you.
I know I risk being moderated into oblivion by partizans who just don't get it , but here goes. The political assassination of parties character by this means is not just a D vs R thing. The Republican Party leadership under President Bush has used this to conduct virtual political assassination of very nearly every Republican who stood up for anything. As such no farm club exists to run in the next election and the Republican party is politically neutered as a result. It threatens the very party existence. This sort of thing destroys all levels of political function. I am speaking as a witness from the inside so if you moderate this realize I am talking fact and not opinion.
"That's the way management wants it. More slaves. Less innovation. Cubicle-managers don't want innovation, knowledge, brilliance or achievement. They want control."
This is it in a nutshell. Why else would a company what a computer scientist to move across the continent and work in some super expensive place when via internet the party could work from home, not have to pay for relocation, save money on commuting and do the work just as effectively.
Sorry but this said it all. The whole thing is about control and not about economics.
Look at the view about 80 miles up. If you get below about 40 miles up you see too close. This along the coast of Sunatra where the gas rigs offshore are. As just a note for the guys who think this is too deep a quake to be affected by this set of operations, it is quite normal for US TVA lakes (Wilson, Guntersville, Wheeler res) to kick of quakes at depths up to 17 or 18 miles deep. Their quakes are 2.5 to 4.0 scale. If you dynamically stress a formation and then watch it load or unload significantly, it will be likely to release that stress.
I am aware of the current rather idiotic thinking about earthquakes and their causes. None of the data provided by the current theories that are generally accepted by the subduction theories either predicts accurately the location or the magnitude of earthquakes. Actually these theories are universally disproved by every application they attempt. If you want to read some real stuff on how and what earthquakes are and see why big energy exchanges and mass movements of material affect the earth so here is a link you may find facinating. It is the best science I have seen on the topic. Warning it doesn't match what is popular and it comes from the top Greek expert in the field. It is one of those really scholarly things so it gets deep fast. http://www.fsc.uaeu.ac.ae/Geology/c/ABS/S.T.-%20JS E%20scex-19-01_043..089-PUBLISHED.pdf
Don't bother to read this lightly! Don't expect it to match much of what you have heard. This is really good paper on the topic and the man has a long history of good results from his work. The real test of something is if it works and his stuff works and validates with observed realities. That is something the current subduction theory simply does not do. At no location has the currently popular subduction theory ever been found to accurately show what is going on.
I would suggest additional sites for your interest if you are serious at www.4threvolt.com and www.thunderbolts.info and www.nealadams.com - This last one look at his geology videos. In the words of the 4th revolt site ~~ "... Everything we know is wrong." As to the damage of industrial concerns around the world, only a fool could not see what is going on. There are lots of fools who don't want to see.
For those who might deny it, the 5.2 quake offshore of Louisiana noted in the parent post is not a small quake and is in an zone which is essentially without earthquakes prior to oil drilling. Since oil production arrived they are common. The process is pretty simple and related to the withdrawal of mass quantities of brines, oil and gas. They produce about 600,000 barrels of oil at this site a year. They are pushing production heavily right now and proving new wells.
The gas works (the port) is north along the coast. If you looked at the location you have to look from about 80 miles up view because you are looking for orange/yellowish areas where the flames are.
Actually there is nothing left behind and the top collapses in. In Campache Mexico, the area is being supported by the largest Nitrogen Injection system on the planet. CO2 Sequestration is being used in some places. The situation is precarious to say the least. During well reserved "proving" blows at the Little Rock gas field in Alabama occurred the largest earthquake in Alabama History. Similarly last Saturday 2/11/2006 a 5.2 quake happened under Shell Oil's Brutus Rig. These are not natural events and they disclose the subsidence of rock due to the relief of pressure in Gas/Oil fields.
The Kuwait oil fired so severely damaged their oil fields that billions of barrels of crude were trapped under ground in the fractured rock strata due to this problem of caverns etc. Sorry for those who think otherwise, but the stuff comes out and it leaves spaces behind to collapse.
At Ache near the Shell gas works there can be seen on recent Google Earth photos (These may get taken down some time soon) at 4deg 44min 17.9 sec N and 95 deg 14 min 37.80 sec E one can see natural Gas Flares. This is massive stuff here. Such gas well proving blows can and do trigger earthquakes. This photo was taken shortly before the Ache Quake and Tsunami. Please look at the size of these flares. Some of these measure more than 8 nautical miles in cross dimension.
Such events leave us with serious questions about what is going on in the Oil Business and how much damage it is doing to our world. Mods get a life if you want to argue with facts. I am presenting fact here not opinion.
Just for kicks and grins,... Has anyone noted that those ordinary computers he is talking about run on a common OS?
Because of the fact that some people on this forum moderate anything intelligent as troll, I will leave it to the readers to guess which OS those computers run on. This has to be the funniest thing all day.
I worked from 2001 to 2005 in a company where I was privy to the bid requests of the DARPA, NSA, CIA and others regards information mining and technology related. I am sure somebody will want to disagree with me and call me troll for saying so, but the Bush Administration's NSA spying campaign which they call limited monitoring of terrorists is nothing of the sort.
The Bush Administration undertook at various high levels in the US Government to secure every single communication and to process it for their use. That is a fact. It is not opinion. To be blunt this was securing a level of invasion of privacy that the German SS (1930's to 1940's) never imagined possible. It's only goal has to be the construction of a police state. I saw this in the bid requests! They wanted 100% of all data including to be able to evaluate photographs, many languages and even other issues. They wanted 100% of all commercial transactions and to pattern everything.
Read this for what you will, it isn't toll to tell the truth. I am reasonably certain some party will think I am being partizan. I am not. I am reasonably certain that the Democrat leadership would do the same thing if given the chance. We in the USA have a real problem with our leaders. Seeking to understand their behavior through the eyes of their party propaganda machines is just nuts. Republicans all too often have a Karl Rove point of view. Of course the Democrats have their own propaganda team. We need to see that what is being stolen in the name of national security is all of our security. We have none if people like these destroy the US Constitution this way.
For those who cannot read, I will spell it out for you. The US Constitution REMOVES from government the power to do anything not permitted. Specifically warrantless searches are prohibited in the US Constitution. The claim that there is no law prohibiting what is happening is just ignorant at the highest level of ignorance. This infinite seaching and invasion of privacy is ILLEGAL 100% no excuses. Excusing it because some Democrat did it or some previous crook did it is no excuse.
Doesn't everyone here love math! Thanks for the calculations.
Now how about getting just a few oddities and throwing them into the mix. (1) A volcano's magma does not force its way up and out... The Archimedes Principal clearly shows eruptions to be displacement reactions. This means that there is a sinking going on. Unless something crazy is going on like the earth is expanding or something like that. (2) Plasma Physics of the rest of the Universe indicates that we really aught to be measuring electrical energy flows in the area. (www.thunderbolts.info) We could be looking at inductive heating etc. (3) What about Subduction and Plate Techtonics here? Does this indicate we really don't know what is going on? Check this out! (www.nealadams.com/nmu.html)
This isn't troll -- It was added just to spice up the thinking so mods if you don't like it -- GET OVER IT!
Sorry to be a party pooper, not a troll though. All this fun about what they might hit is a bit over done. The depth of drilling is 25,000 feet. That is a bad joke. They drill 31,000 feet in South Alabama all the time. They drill nearly 50,000 feet at Petronius 65 miles south of Alabama. What they have hit doesn't in any way resemble the "mantle" and I really doubt this project is ever going close to the "mantle."
This rig might do a somewhat useful drilling of fault zones and it might find other useful things but this isn't likely to be of any use in actual "mantle" research.
The Russians have drilled locations much deeper and attempted to go into the mantle. They hit hot salt water in the rock but nothing resembling the "mantle" that we all have been so rigorously taught to believe exists. Actually so many deep bores of the earth exist around the world that vastly exceed this depth it seems to me almost useless to consider this "research." Maybe we should be considering exactly what the research is actually going to be? I wouldn't hazard a guess but unless the ship is going to bore something like 200,000 feet the prospects of really new research coming from it are dubious. The world is full of holes going down 25,000 feet.
My suspicion is that they will find if they drill fault zones a pretty shocking reality that they knew nothing of what was going on. It would be a fair prediction to estimate that these zones are water penetration zones. The seismic signature of a "diving plate" is probably only a water penetration crack into the rocks below. This would explain the volcanoes and all without any of the subduction or other stuff. Such a discovery would have the science of Geology scratching their heads for a long time. They might discover that the earths plates match (as they do!) in the Pacific as well as the Atlantic. They might discover like Yukos found that there is "Magma oil." They might just come up with a bunch of other fun stuff. Again they might not but who knows? It could be a lot of fun watching.
The US Republic is based at least somewhat on the rule of law. This is about as far from democracy as one can get. Regards the terms being similar --- not! A democracy is a system of mob rule.
Most of the problems in the USA with its operation have arisen from the effort to morph it into a democracy.
Mods this is just a report on definitions and conditions, if you don't like it just get a life.
I once met one of the early German Rocket Scientists and he was a proud member of the group that rode the "vomit comet." They had a cute name for their club which at this moment I don't remember. It was something about violating the law of gravity and funny. Maybe somebody here will remind me of the cute name they had.
Entertain yourself somewhere with a few interesting things. www.nealadams.com has a discussion on geology one might like to look at on this topic of spreading open rifts etc.
Try looking at the Platt, Republican and Democrat Rivers in Nebraska some time. I have some stunning photos that show this taken from 37,000 feet. These rivers run in rifts. (Yes these are names of rivers not a political statement) Such rifts are stunning because they fit like puzzles from side to side.
Inducing earthquakes is a long known process. It was sufficiently known by the 1930's that the US TVA anticipated it during the construction and operation of its large dams and lakes. These have since happened pretty much as expected. The US War Department (Yes -- War Department - before WW2) had built Wilson Dam at Florence, Alabama and finished it in 1926. The dam has kicked off up to 4.0 quakes and frequent in the 3.0 to 3.5 range since it was completed. It occurs every few years. The US TVA Guntersville Dam and lake causes quakes in the order of 2.5 to 3.5 with some frequency.
As another poster noted the 3-Gorges dam in China is anticipated to cause quakes. The size here is expected to cause quakes in the order of 7 to 8 on the Richter Scale. It has already caused numerous quakes in the order of 5.5 or so. There have been quakes upwards of that as well.
Hydro pool events are often discounted by some parties because rivers are always found adjacent to faults. This is because rivers tend to flow in the crack of a fault. The problem here is that the faults don't produce the large quakes until the lakes are added. The process clearly increases the quake intensity and frequency in the area.
The masses of water and hydrocarbon recovered from Coal Gas fields in Alabama have shown frequent quakes in the order of 2.0 to 3.5 happening in a zone which didn't have any quake frequency before. In South Alabama in the massive Natural Gas extraction efforts there the extraction of brines and natural gas have resulted in frequent quakes where the USGS says they expect few if any ever to occur. These have been in the range from 4.9 down to 2.5. The largest quake in Alabama history happened during Natural Gas well proving at the Little Rock Gas Field in Escambia County near Atmore. It was a 4.9. The Power River Coal Gas development will have quakes frequently up to 5 or 6 on the scale from this. Add these to the natural risk in the area and serious problems are expected.
One cannot say for sure what affect or effect happened at Ache in Sumatra in the quake/tsunami there but massive Natural Gas proving (Well blowing) operations were under way at the time that produced natural gas flares with fire upwards of 600 square miles in size at the time. Similar operations were under way in the region of Alaska at the time of the 1964 quake there.
It is absolutely sure that mankind can at least trigger a latient earthquake with large structures and large mining operations. It may be that such events are even partially caused by such activity.
To be fair, a large building might cause a quake as the earth adjusts to the new stress levels. It is a process that in time will settle down as there is no real dynamic change in the building's mass except the commuters. This is unlike hydro pools which change dynamically or like oil/gas operations which cause massive dynamic changes in the earth. Oil/Gas operations cause such massive dynamic changes in areas that they actually are larger than even the 3 Gorges Dam in mass changes in some areas. The withdrawal of 200 to 300 times in brine of the hydrocarbon extraction causes these operations to be the largest mass changes man is causing on the earth. Pressure changes in these formations represent some of the largest forces on the planet. Latient pressures in field like Petronius near Alabama reach up to 50,000 psi.
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Have you ever considered the effect of this much of an electromagnetic field on the flow of sub atomic particles in the atmosphere? Have you considered the effect of such in regards to the formation of clouds and similar. How about the effect on lightning discharges? This definitely has enough energy to affect weather events. If you short out region of the atmosphere near a thunderstorm it might well either damp or amplify depending on where the storm.
It is a published intent of the US Armed Forces to dominate the weather shortly. Obviously this could be beneficial or hazardous depending upon events and the point of view of the affected parties.
The stockholders in CA probably should be concerned. The management is probably using this private firm purchace to shed money into their own pockets while starving the stockholders. Well that's what this sort of even usually is so it shouldn't surprise anyone if it happens this time. Who knows? Sure enough we are not going to get a list of the owners/managers of the private firm.
I know its late, but generally I agree with you on the problem. I wouldn't agree on the assessment of Ronald Reagan but well... what do we expect 100% agreement? The anti-science crowd can be seen pretty clearly to be a political manipulation adjenda. It is easier to manipulate the stupid than lead the educated and wise. In doing so you also intimidate the intelligent wise segment of society.
I wish it were a transition. These guys are dying. The reason is simple, they will not server their customers. They continue to publish crappy articles usually against any decent enterprise and as such lose their readers daily. More and more they have become ads only. I can search ads without these turkeys.
The opposition is not to science. It is to fact. It really doesn't matter what fact. I have been a life long Reagan Republican. I supported the party when it was the party of innovation and happy progress. Unfortunately the Republican Party has become the home of men like Karl Rove and Lewis Libby. These men used the most sophisticate psyops warfare technology to destroy any opposition. The Democratic Party under Bill Clinton developed into much the same sort of machine.
The results in the Republican Party is that any person who stuck his head up to talk about real issues found his character assassinated. I would assume that some may have suffered real assassination had they not succumbed to the more subtle forms. For any Republican thinking I am being a Troll (Shut up please and listen) I am not. The results are plain to be seen. The Republican party should be auditioning a wide crop of Presidential and other leaders to agressively deal with our national issues. There is no farm club because of the Bush team. It's politically dead. As a result of this the Bush team has become the only game in town. They are retiring shortly by US Constitution and probably Hillary Clinton will take the White House. The reason isn't because of any quality on her part. It is because of the complete lack of any Republican quality. This is the result of Karl Rove and Mr. Libby. It should terrify any Republican that this is the case.
If you are a Democrat the situation should equally terrify you. That party has become so effective at this process that it too has no real roots in America and no farm club to replace the Clintons when they die. As a result the party is dying in public support.
The sad reality here is that in this environment any belief in fact, no matter what it applies to is dangerous. Fact is the enemy of this condition. It matters not if you are Democrat or Republican, this war againt the truth has reached so deep that it has gutted your party. The leaders are so terrified you will understand this that they are on an open war against any means of learning or expanding understanding. Ignorant masses are easily ruled. Wise and learned people cannot be ruled except by their consent. This is the issue whole.
This was written out of concern for the survival of freedom. It is not against anyone.
Has anyone looked at why certain people are cheaper? The issue here isn't quality it is government. The US Government so generous with student loans requires you to pay them back with "After Tax dollars". Of course your favorite Indian guy or Chinese guy didn't have to do that. So when he graduated $30,000 a year looks like a kings ransom. For the poor American with his government running this formal trade war called the US Income Tax scam on him, he has to pay back his notes with double the dollars and live too! When that gets done, he has to command two times his debt a year just to eat. That means he needs something like $60 K just to make headway. Both parties live on par.
Of course the employer given the opportunity of dumping the over taxed American will scream to his congress critter about how those lazy American kids just want too much money. Thats about it.
The issue here is complicated because of trade deals the US and other nations have set up. Essentially these deals set the USA up to pay for the research and development costs for drugs for the world. In return the US would bill its consumers very high rates for drugs in order to finance this and provide the "poor" nations of the world with "cheap" drugs. This funky set of deals set up the USA to fleese its sick and elderly as a secret way to assist the "poor" nations populations who by the theory could not afford to finance their own medicine.
The deals worked for a short time until the "poor" nations started generic production. This bloomed a "cheap" drug market for the world leaving US consumers paying 10 to 20 times the price paid by others in the world. The Big Pharma guys who were going to provide US workers with jobs under this scam promptly went of shore this is why the developments and owners are multinationals. This has shattered the underpenning of Social Security in the USA. It has also left drug development nearly 100% funded by the US Government under contract fictions that appear private or they would violate the trade deals. This is because the trade deals left the US with a "drug monopoly." Of course it is falling apart.
With all of this corporate and government con game going on, there is no Pandemic. It too is a fiction. Bird Flu is indegenous to the Americas. It in no way fits the profile of a "Pandemic." It is too lethal to be a viable pathogen. It kills itself off. What we are looking at is the last gasp of the Big Pharma guys trying to shake down the taxpayers of the USA for a pile of money while they run off shore with the money . All of this before the USA runs out of cash trying to pay for the retirement situation that is coming in 2015. They all know that any flu epidemic can be contained by a campaign to support hand washing. There is no threat except of stupid people. The fact that a foreign nation is now going to make large quantities of the drug Tamiflu threatens the money in this con game.
Tamiflu, assuming Bird Flu were to mutate into a dangerous flu "Pandemic", would be of no value. The disease kills in about 9 days. It is symptomatic only 2 of those days. By the time a person knew they were getting sick, getting a prescription would not save them. Its value is probably null anyway as it appears it is ineffective against the disease. Its only value would be prophalaxis and that is questionable. Taiwan is just raiding the money game here.
This is state sponsored terrorism using a "virus" as a mafia enforcer threat to shake its people down for money. This is because vaccination is also of no value against bird flu as it kills fertile eggs. (The place one would make a vaccine) In reality there is only one defense against the bird flu. It is nothing more nor less than a public campaign for good hygene and hand washing. That program would so devastate the healthcare industry by negating their profits that nobody is going to consider it. Sorry folks it is all about money. Thanks to Taiwan, the international floating crap game has been raided. Maybe the whole US monopoly will come down on this one and we all will be better off including those of us in the USA.
The highland rim of Tennessee fairly cooks with Uranium. None is mined there. The stuff is a lot more common than most any calculations based on current mines say. Nuclear is safe by all measures over its competition technologies in a utility grid setup.
The whole problem with energy is an issue not of supply but of control. If the powers that be are not going to be in control of your energy supply they are going to fight you tooth and tong. The list of alternative technologies is nearly endless.
Imagine a machine at your house that pumps out useful energy without you having to pay a monthly bill. These exist and have been patiented for years. The list of ways to do this is almost endless. The problem is that they don't pay the investments of the big guys anymore. That makes them "uneconomic" for the bankers and for the investment community. I won't bother listing the tech here because the list is so long. Freeing ones self from the grid is like a Borg entity trying to be free. "Prepare for assimilation, resistance is futile."
At this momement thousands of persons on the US Gulf Coast are suffering extended power outages that may last a year or more. Similarly tens of thousands are in danger of their lives in Kashmir because the grid has failed and is not delivering energy or food for them. At every turn the centralized controlled solutions are presented to the public as "cheaper" "safer" and etc. In the end people die from their dependence.
Make no mistake, I am not one of those socialist green types. I just have eyes and can see what is going on. I do not oppose nuclear. I am seeing a network developing where a person may be laid seige to and killed in a matter of days by merely switching him off. I am seeing a world where a person is a dependent for life on a utility grid as a baby in his mothers womb is dependent on the umbilical cord. This is not a rational set of solutions.
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The truest definition of the word Crime: "A set of legally defined moral offenses." To be suscinct, the only thing we write laws against (crimes) is moral offenses.
In the words (paraphased) of Thomas Payne ("Common Sense" Feb 14, 1776 Boston Ms) Society is a lover. Government is a punisher, and it is established because people forget their society duties to each other. Government is a necessity caused because of the evil impulses of mankind. If all men were just there would be no need for Government.
It is also quite true that in no case does Law prevent crime. Laws may remind some of their obligations and thus reduce the choices made towards evil. Laws provide for redress of the injured parties to their former uninjured state. This brings up a mystery for some, called "crimes against the state." Such crimes are exampled by murder. It is quite impossible to restore a murdered person to life. What we try in a court of law is the issue of the general peace and safety of the population. It too was damaged by the murder. Trial, conviction and execution of murderers does restore the community to its feeling of safety. This safety is totally important for the normal function of society. Thus the arguements about injury and restoration are misplaced when they go to attempting to discuss prevention.
This leads right back to some of the greatest frauds and thefts going on today. Cable companies selling computer access to the net are stealing from people when they decide which packets of information they send. The people bought the right to send the packets. I for example get intercepted for sending too big of emails if I send a 5 megapixel photo of my kid as an attachment to my family. This is supposed to be on bandwidth considerations. Yet I can routinely download (Mozilla Firefox for example) much larger programs and I get no such limits. The VOIP intercepts are telling me which packets I can transmit and limiting me on bandwidth I have already bought. It is thieft to do so and it remains thieft even if the company disagrees or uses a device like a Service Contract to attempt to coerce me. Sometimes facts just do not change even if the liars attempt to make them appear different. This business of such limits is thieft on a grand scale. It represents the thieft of billions of dollars. The poor guy jailed for strong arm thieft of a $100 Bill is hardly justly ignored or anywhere as seriously a criminal as the CATV and other big telecom companies are.
I might not phrase things exactly your way and I might not be so general in application but the
is sadly all too true for many companies.Serious proposals for improvement of the telecommunications system should generally look something like this.
(1) All providers of pipelines that is the big transmission companies should have to sell only bandwidth.
(2) They should be prohibited from doing things like impeeding transmission of VOIP like cable companies are doing.
(3) They should be forced to sever their sales of this service from the sale of devices or other services such as occurs with wireless phones.
(4) They should have to sell there services on flat rate blocks of time/bandwidth.
(5) Of course they shouldn't be able to give one person preferred treatment over others because of other services or conditions
For the nuts out there who will yell "Free Enterprise" remember guys what you are talking about is a fantacy. It doesn't exist. These guys and their behavior prove it doesn't exist. Defending their misbehavior as free market denies the public benefits and mechanisms all of these companies take advantage of. They have a responsibility to us all.
Mod's if you don't like the truth, get a life. This is the truth and reasonable solutions.
The parent of this post has the whole point. Lock, Stock and barrel head. The NSA is tracking across the US Constitution and the people doing so at the NSA should be sent to trial under the rules we Americans tried Japanese and German War criminals at the end of WW2. The penalty should be the same as well. They should be hanged!
Don't worry guys(At NSA et. al.) you have nothing to fear unless the citizens start coming for you.
I know I risk being moderated into oblivion by partizans who just don't get it , but here goes. The political assassination of parties character by this means is not just a D vs R thing. The Republican Party leadership under President Bush has used this to conduct virtual political assassination of very nearly every Republican who stood up for anything. As such no farm club exists to run in the next election and the Republican party is politically neutered as a result. It threatens the very party existence. This sort of thing destroys all levels of political function. I am speaking as a witness from the inside so if you moderate this realize I am talking fact and not opinion.
Sorry but this said it all. The whole thing is about control and not about economics.
Look at the view about 80 miles up. If you get below about 40 miles up you see too close. This along the coast of Sunatra where the gas rigs offshore are. As just a note for the guys who think this is too deep a quake to be affected by this set of operations, it is quite normal for US TVA lakes (Wilson, Guntersville, Wheeler res) to kick of quakes at depths up to 17 or 18 miles deep. Their quakes are 2.5 to 4.0 scale. If you dynamically stress a formation and then watch it load or unload significantly, it will be likely to release that stress.
I am aware of the current rather idiotic thinking about earthquakes and their causes. None of the data provided by the current theories that are generally accepted by the subduction theories either predicts accurately the location or the magnitude of earthquakes. Actually these theories are universally disproved by every application they attempt. If you want to read some real stuff on how and what earthquakes are and see why big energy exchanges and mass movements of material affect the earth so here is a link you may find facinating. It is the best science I have seen on the topic. Warning it doesn't match what is popular and it comes from the top Greek expert in the field. It is one of those really scholarly things so it gets deep fast. http://www.fsc.uaeu.ac.ae/Geology/c/ABS/S.T.-%20JS E%20scex-19-01_043..089-PUBLISHED.pdf
Don't bother to read this lightly! Don't expect it to match much of what you have heard. This is really good paper on the topic and the man has a long history of good results from his work. The real test of something is if it works and his stuff works and validates with observed realities. That is something the current subduction theory simply does not do. At no location has the currently popular subduction theory ever been found to accurately show what is going on.
I would suggest additional sites for your interest if you are serious at www.4threvolt.com and www.thunderbolts.info and www.nealadams.com - This last one look at his geology videos. In the words of the 4th revolt site ~~ "... Everything we know is wrong." As to the damage of industrial concerns around the world, only a fool could not see what is going on. There are lots of fools who don't want to see.
For those who might deny it, the 5.2 quake offshore of Louisiana noted in the parent post is not a small quake and is in an zone which is essentially without earthquakes prior to oil drilling. Since oil production arrived they are common. The process is pretty simple and related to the withdrawal of mass quantities of brines, oil and gas. They produce about 600,000 barrels of oil at this site a year. They are pushing production heavily right now and proving new wells.
The gas works (the port) is north along the coast. If you looked at the location you have to look from about 80 miles up view because you are looking for orange/yellowish areas where the flames are.
Actually there is nothing left behind and the top collapses in. In Campache Mexico, the area is being supported by the largest Nitrogen Injection system on the planet. CO2 Sequestration is being used in some places. The situation is precarious to say the least. During well reserved "proving" blows at the Little Rock gas field in Alabama occurred the largest earthquake in Alabama History. Similarly last Saturday 2/11/2006 a 5.2 quake happened under Shell Oil's Brutus Rig. These are not natural events and they disclose the subsidence of rock due to the relief of pressure in Gas/Oil fields.
The Kuwait oil fired so severely damaged their oil fields that billions of barrels of crude were trapped under ground in the fractured rock strata due to this problem of caverns etc. Sorry for those who think otherwise, but the stuff comes out and it leaves spaces behind to collapse.
At Ache near the Shell gas works there can be seen on recent Google Earth photos (These may get taken down some time soon) at 4deg 44min 17.9 sec N and 95 deg 14 min 37.80 sec E one can see natural Gas Flares. This is massive stuff here. Such gas well proving blows can and do trigger earthquakes. This photo was taken shortly before the Ache Quake and Tsunami. Please look at the size of these flares. Some of these measure more than 8 nautical miles in cross dimension.
Such events leave us with serious questions about what is going on in the Oil Business and how much damage it is doing to our world. Mods get a life if you want to argue with facts. I am presenting fact here not opinion.
Just for kicks and grins,... Has anyone noted that those ordinary computers he is talking about run on a common OS?
Because of the fact that some people on this forum moderate anything intelligent as troll, I will leave it to the readers to guess which OS those computers run on. This has to be the funniest thing all day.
I worked from 2001 to 2005 in a company where I was privy to the bid requests of the DARPA, NSA, CIA and others regards information mining and technology related. I am sure somebody will want to disagree with me and call me troll for saying so, but the Bush Administration's NSA spying campaign which they call limited monitoring of terrorists is nothing of the sort.
The Bush Administration undertook at various high levels in the US Government to secure every single communication and to process it for their use. That is a fact. It is not opinion. To be blunt this was securing a level of invasion of privacy that the German SS (1930's to 1940's) never imagined possible. It's only goal has to be the construction of a police state. I saw this in the bid requests! They wanted 100% of all data including to be able to evaluate photographs, many languages and even other issues. They wanted 100% of all commercial transactions and to pattern everything.
Read this for what you will, it isn't toll to tell the truth. I am reasonably certain some party will think I am being partizan. I am not. I am reasonably certain that the Democrat leadership would do the same thing if given the chance. We in the USA have a real problem with our leaders. Seeking to understand their behavior through the eyes of their party propaganda machines is just nuts. Republicans all too often have a Karl Rove point of view. Of course the Democrats have their own propaganda team. We need to see that what is being stolen in the name of national security is all of our security. We have none if people like these destroy the US Constitution this way.
For those who cannot read, I will spell it out for you. The US Constitution REMOVES from government the power to do anything not permitted. Specifically warrantless searches are prohibited in the US Constitution. The claim that there is no law prohibiting what is happening is just ignorant at the highest level of ignorance. This infinite seaching and invasion of privacy is ILLEGAL 100% no excuses. Excusing it because some Democrat did it or some previous crook did it is no excuse.
What can we expect from those who expound on academic freedom so much? I would think a lot better than this but well it seems that may not be so.
Mods get a life if you don't like an observation!
Doesn't everyone here love math! Thanks for the calculations.
Now how about getting just a few oddities and throwing them into the mix. (1) A volcano's magma does not force its way up and out... The Archimedes Principal clearly shows eruptions to be displacement reactions. This means that there is a sinking going on. Unless something crazy is going on like the earth is expanding or something like that. (2) Plasma Physics of the rest of the Universe indicates that we really aught to be measuring electrical energy flows in the area. (www.thunderbolts.info) We could be looking at inductive heating etc. (3) What about Subduction and Plate Techtonics here? Does this indicate we really don't know what is going on? Check this out! (www.nealadams.com/nmu.html)
This isn't troll -- It was added just to spice up the thinking so mods if you don't like it -- GET OVER IT!
Sorry to be a party pooper, not a troll though. All this fun about what they might hit is a bit over done. The depth of drilling is 25,000 feet. That is a bad joke. They drill 31,000 feet in South Alabama all the time. They drill nearly 50,000 feet at Petronius 65 miles south of Alabama. What they have hit doesn't in any way resemble the "mantle" and I really doubt this project is ever going close to the "mantle."
This rig might do a somewhat useful drilling of fault zones and it might find other useful things but this isn't likely to be of any use in actual "mantle" research.
The Russians have drilled locations much deeper and attempted to go into the mantle. They hit hot salt water in the rock but nothing resembling the "mantle" that we all have been so rigorously taught to believe exists. Actually so many deep bores of the earth exist around the world that vastly exceed this depth it seems to me almost useless to consider this "research." Maybe we should be considering exactly what the research is actually going to be? I wouldn't hazard a guess but unless the ship is going to bore something like 200,000 feet the prospects of really new research coming from it are dubious. The world is full of holes going down 25,000 feet.
My suspicion is that they will find if they drill fault zones a pretty shocking reality that they knew nothing of what was going on. It would be a fair prediction to estimate that these zones are water penetration zones. The seismic signature of a "diving plate" is probably only a water penetration crack into the rocks below. This would explain the volcanoes and all without any of the subduction or other stuff. Such a discovery would have the science of Geology scratching their heads for a long time. They might discover that the earths plates match (as they do!) in the Pacific as well as the Atlantic. They might discover like Yukos found that there is "Magma oil." They might just come up with a bunch of other fun stuff. Again they might not but who knows? It could be a lot of fun watching.
The US Republic is based at least somewhat on the rule of law. This is about as far from democracy as one can get. Regards the terms being similar --- not! A democracy is a system of mob rule.
Most of the problems in the USA with its operation have arisen from the effort to morph it into a democracy.
Mods this is just a report on definitions and conditions, if you don't like it just get a life.
I once met one of the early German Rocket Scientists and he was a proud member of the group that rode the "vomit comet." They had a cute name for their club which at this moment I don't remember. It was something about violating the law of gravity and funny. Maybe somebody here will remind me of the cute name they had.
Entertain yourself somewhere with a few interesting things. www.nealadams.com has a discussion on geology one might like to look at on this topic of spreading open rifts etc.
Try looking at the Platt, Republican and Democrat Rivers in Nebraska some time. I have some stunning photos that show this taken from 37,000 feet. These rivers run in rifts. (Yes these are names of rivers not a political statement) Such rifts are stunning because they fit like puzzles from side to side.
Mods -- if you disagree, get a life!
Inducing earthquakes is a long known process. It was sufficiently known by the 1930's that the US TVA anticipated it during the construction and operation of its large dams and lakes. These have since happened pretty much as expected. The US War Department (Yes -- War Department - before WW2) had built Wilson Dam at Florence, Alabama and finished it in 1926. The dam has kicked off up to 4.0 quakes and frequent in the 3.0 to 3.5 range since it was completed. It occurs every few years. The US TVA Guntersville Dam and lake causes quakes in the order of 2.5 to 3.5 with some frequency.
As another poster noted the 3-Gorges dam in China is anticipated to cause quakes. The size here is expected to cause quakes in the order of 7 to 8 on the Richter Scale. It has already caused numerous quakes in the order of 5.5 or so. There have been quakes upwards of that as well.
Hydro pool events are often discounted by some parties because rivers are always found adjacent to faults. This is because rivers tend to flow in the crack of a fault. The problem here is that the faults don't produce the large quakes until the lakes are added. The process clearly increases the quake intensity and frequency in the area.
The masses of water and hydrocarbon recovered from Coal Gas fields in Alabama have shown frequent quakes in the order of 2.0 to 3.5 happening in a zone which didn't have any quake frequency before. In South Alabama in the massive Natural Gas extraction efforts there the extraction of brines and natural gas have resulted in frequent quakes where the USGS says they expect few if any ever to occur. These have been in the range from 4.9 down to 2.5. The largest quake in Alabama history happened during Natural Gas well proving at the Little Rock Gas Field in Escambia County near Atmore. It was a 4.9. The Power River Coal Gas development will have quakes frequently up to 5 or 6 on the scale from this. Add these to the natural risk in the area and serious problems are expected.
One cannot say for sure what affect or effect happened at Ache in Sumatra in the quake/tsunami there but massive Natural Gas proving (Well blowing) operations were under way at the time that produced natural gas flares with fire upwards of 600 square miles in size at the time. Similar operations were under way in the region of Alaska at the time of the 1964 quake there.
It is absolutely sure that mankind can at least trigger a latient earthquake with large structures and large mining operations. It may be that such events are even partially caused by such activity.
To be fair, a large building might cause a quake as the earth adjusts to the new stress levels. It is a process that in time will settle down as there is no real dynamic change in the building's mass except the commuters. This is unlike hydro pools which change dynamically or like oil/gas operations which cause massive dynamic changes in the earth. Oil/Gas operations cause such massive dynamic changes in areas that they actually are larger than even the 3 Gorges Dam in mass changes in some areas. The withdrawal of 200 to 300 times in brine of the hydrocarbon extraction causes these operations to be the largest mass changes man is causing on the earth. Pressure changes in these formations represent some of the largest forces on the planet. Latient pressures in field like Petronius near Alabama reach up to 50,000 psi.
Have you ever considered the effect of this much of an electromagnetic field on the flow of sub atomic particles in the atmosphere? Have you considered the effect of such in regards to the formation of clouds and similar. How about the effect on lightning discharges? This definitely has enough energy to affect weather events. If you short out region of the atmosphere near a thunderstorm it might well either damp or amplify depending on where the storm.
It is a published intent of the US Armed Forces to dominate the weather shortly. Obviously this could be beneficial or hazardous depending upon events and the point of view of the affected parties.
The stockholders in CA probably should be concerned. The management is probably using this private firm purchace to shed money into their own pockets while starving the stockholders. Well that's what this sort of even usually is so it shouldn't surprise anyone if it happens this time. Who knows? Sure enough we are not going to get a list of the owners/managers of the private firm.
I know its late, but generally I agree with you on the problem. I wouldn't agree on the assessment of Ronald Reagan but well... what do we expect 100% agreement? The anti-science crowd can be seen pretty clearly to be a political manipulation adjenda. It is easier to manipulate the stupid than lead the educated and wise. In doing so you also intimidate the intelligent wise segment of society.
I wish it were a transition. These guys are dying. The reason is simple, they will not server their customers. They continue to publish crappy articles usually against any decent enterprise and as such lose their readers daily. More and more they have become ads only. I can search ads without these turkeys.
The opposition is not to science. It is to fact. It really doesn't matter what fact. I have been a life long Reagan Republican. I supported the party when it was the party of innovation and happy progress. Unfortunately the Republican Party has become the home of men like Karl Rove and Lewis Libby. These men used the most sophisticate psyops warfare technology to destroy any opposition. The Democratic Party under Bill Clinton developed into much the same sort of machine.
The results in the Republican Party is that any person who stuck his head up to talk about real issues found his character assassinated. I would assume that some may have suffered real assassination had they not succumbed to the more subtle forms. For any Republican thinking I am being a Troll (Shut up please and listen) I am not. The results are plain to be seen. The Republican party should be auditioning a wide crop of Presidential and other leaders to agressively deal with our national issues. There is no farm club because of the Bush team. It's politically dead. As a result of this the Bush team has become the only game in town. They are retiring shortly by US Constitution and probably Hillary Clinton will take the White House. The reason isn't because of any quality on her part. It is because of the complete lack of any Republican quality. This is the result of Karl Rove and Mr. Libby. It should terrify any Republican that this is the case.
If you are a Democrat the situation should equally terrify you. That party has become so effective at this process that it too has no real roots in America and no farm club to replace the Clintons when they die. As a result the party is dying in public support.
The sad reality here is that in this environment any belief in fact, no matter what it applies to is dangerous. Fact is the enemy of this condition. It matters not if you are Democrat or Republican, this war againt the truth has reached so deep that it has gutted your party. The leaders are so terrified you will understand this that they are on an open war against any means of learning or expanding understanding. Ignorant masses are easily ruled. Wise and learned people cannot be ruled except by their consent. This is the issue whole.
This was written out of concern for the survival of freedom. It is not against anyone.
Has anyone looked at why certain people are cheaper? The issue here isn't quality it is government. The US Government so generous with student loans requires you to pay them back with "After Tax dollars". Of course your favorite Indian guy or Chinese guy didn't have to do that. So when he graduated $30,000 a year looks like a kings ransom. For the poor American with his government running this formal trade war called the US Income Tax scam on him, he has to pay back his notes with double the dollars and live too! When that gets done, he has to command two times his debt a year just to eat. That means he needs something like $60 K just to make headway. Both parties live on par.
Of course the employer given the opportunity of dumping the over taxed American will scream to his congress critter about how those lazy American kids just want too much money. Thats about it.
The issue here is complicated because of trade deals the US and other nations have set up. Essentially these deals set the USA up to pay for the research and development costs for drugs for the world. In return the US would bill its consumers very high rates for drugs in order to finance this and provide the "poor" nations of the world with "cheap" drugs. This funky set of deals set up the USA to fleese its sick and elderly as a secret way to assist the "poor" nations populations who by the theory could not afford to finance their own medicine.
The deals worked for a short time until the "poor" nations started generic production. This bloomed a "cheap" drug market for the world leaving US consumers paying 10 to 20 times the price paid by others in the world. The Big Pharma guys who were going to provide US workers with jobs under this scam promptly went of shore this is why the developments and owners are multinationals. This has shattered the underpenning of Social Security in the USA. It has also left drug development nearly 100% funded by the US Government under contract fictions that appear private or they would violate the trade deals. This is because the trade deals left the US with a "drug monopoly." Of course it is falling apart.
With all of this corporate and government con game going on, there is no Pandemic. It too is a fiction. Bird Flu is indegenous to the Americas. It in no way fits the profile of a "Pandemic." It is too lethal to be a viable pathogen. It kills itself off. What we are looking at is the last gasp of the Big Pharma guys trying to shake down the taxpayers of the USA for a pile of money while they run off shore with the money . All of this before the USA runs out of cash trying to pay for the retirement situation that is coming in 2015. They all know that any flu epidemic can be contained by a campaign to support hand washing. There is no threat except of stupid people. The fact that a foreign nation is now going to make large quantities of the drug Tamiflu threatens the money in this con game.
Tamiflu, assuming Bird Flu were to mutate into a dangerous flu "Pandemic", would be of no value. The disease kills in about 9 days. It is symptomatic only 2 of those days. By the time a person knew they were getting sick, getting a prescription would not save them. Its value is probably null anyway as it appears it is ineffective against the disease. Its only value would be prophalaxis and that is questionable. Taiwan is just raiding the money game here.
This is state sponsored terrorism using a "virus" as a mafia enforcer threat to shake its people down for money. This is because vaccination is also of no value against bird flu as it kills fertile eggs. (The place one would make a vaccine) In reality there is only one defense against the bird flu. It is nothing more nor less than a public campaign for good hygene and hand washing. That program would so devastate the healthcare industry by negating their profits that nobody is going to consider it. Sorry folks it is all about money. Thanks to Taiwan, the international floating crap game has been raided. Maybe the whole US monopoly will come down on this one and we all will be better off including those of us in the USA.
The highland rim of Tennessee fairly cooks with Uranium. None is mined there. The stuff is a lot more common than most any calculations based on current mines say. Nuclear is safe by all measures over its competition technologies in a utility grid setup.
The whole problem with energy is an issue not of supply but of control. If the powers that be are not going to be in control of your energy supply they are going to fight you tooth and tong. The list of alternative technologies is nearly endless.
Imagine a machine at your house that pumps out useful energy without you having to pay a monthly bill. These exist and have been patiented for years. The list of ways to do this is almost endless. The problem is that they don't pay the investments of the big guys anymore. That makes them "uneconomic" for the bankers and for the investment community. I won't bother listing the tech here because the list is so long. Freeing ones self from the grid is like a Borg entity trying to be free. "Prepare for assimilation, resistance is futile."
At this momement thousands of persons on the US Gulf Coast are suffering extended power outages that may last a year or more. Similarly tens of thousands are in danger of their lives in Kashmir because the grid has failed and is not delivering energy or food for them. At every turn the centralized controlled solutions are presented to the public as "cheaper" "safer" and etc. In the end people die from their dependence.
Make no mistake, I am not one of those socialist green types. I just have eyes and can see what is going on. I do not oppose nuclear. I am seeing a network developing where a person may be laid seige to and killed in a matter of days by merely switching him off. I am seeing a world where a person is a dependent for life on a utility grid as a baby in his mothers womb is dependent on the umbilical cord. This is not a rational set of solutions.