http://msdn.microsoft.com/net/ecma/ says: "The following organizations have participated in the work of ECMA TC39/TG2 and TC39/TG3 and their contributions are gratefully acknowledged: (...)Novell/Ximian(...)"
Posted By: habacker Date: 2005-01-27 14:21 Summary: source and binary snapshots of QT/Win Free Edition available
The QT/Win Free Edition is not far away from to be a full working release.
Maybe this is why Trolltech made this announcement? Trolltech propably had its reasons not to release the Windows version under GPL, but with this fork their reasons may be undermined. So maybe the guys at Trolltech thought "better done right (by us), than done buggy (by others) and give us bad reputation".
Of course this is just speculation and the close time gap between the KDE-Cygwin announcement and the Trolltech announcement could be just a coincidence.
They aired the crappy Voyager series for 7 (too) long seasons without killing it and now they kill not-so-bad Enterprise?!? I hope there will be at least some movies based on Enterprise - So the birth of the Federation can happen.
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I don't want to flame xMule.
As you see it, aMule is a hostile fork. OK. I just see that the aMule team managed to get aMule run on OSX natively.
When xMule is able to do the same in a user friendly way, I may try xMule. But honestly, I think that the ED2K network will be dead when xMule reaches that stage. ED2K is already almost dead. (Even today I almost never use aMule.)
As a user I don't care about the developers' personal problems. I just want a usable app and currently aMule is usable, while xMule is not (at least on OSX).
"Hostile forks", as you call them, can be good. Eg a "hostile fork" made GCC a better compiler (EGCS). OpenBSD was forked from NetBSD - now these are are two OSes with their own strengths. There are other examples of positive "hostile" forks.
I think if there's one person who really deserves credit as "the guy behind Firefox," it's Ben Goodger, UI nazi and lead developer from 0.7 onwards. After all, as Firefox is mostly just a UI gloss on the underlying Mozilla code, it's Ben's rigorous adherence to principles of good, clean, simple UI that has made Firefox the breakaway success that the Suite never was.
Yeah. Too bad he doesn't work on Thunderbird. TB really needs cleanig up its GUI.
including such usability cock-ups as changing some keyboard shortcuts from positive actions to destructive ones (when I want to open something in a new tab, I don't expect to get my bookmarks deleted!).
Huh? Which shortcut are you talking about?
PS: I agree with the rest of your comment. Luckily the current Trunk nightlies are useable (--> no more slashdot bug).
2)Copy/paste works fine for X11 (in fact apple stresses this in their promotion of having an X server in OSX, I also just tested this on my powerbook, I use this all the time between gaim firefox and openoffice), you just need to use control instead of command. Of course it works between OpenOffice and GAIM, because both are X11 apps! I can't paste text from a native app into an X11 app! Maybe if you use another X-Server. I use the plain Apple X11 that came with Panther!
Huh? I copied random text from Firefox can't paste it into OpenOffice (X11). I tried Ctrl-V and your [Ctrl]-[Option]-click technique. Are you sure it works for you? I doesn't work for me.
Of course it's easier. I never said anything else. But as you can also see, Sun doesn't have a lot interest in helping other plattforms. Sun had the OS/2 sources for StarOffice. They didn't release it. Why not? Sun also had older Mac sources for StarOffice. While not the latest code, it may could have served to help create a Carbon version of OpenOffice.
I *am* a Mac user! I also know quite a few other Mac users. Just because you care about the menu layout, it doesn't mean that all the other Mac users think that way. Just look at browser use on Mac. Firefox has lots of users on Mac. "Help --> About" isn't Mac like. Not all buttons are Aqua buttons. So how do you explain the popularity of Firefox on Mac?
I those were the only problems, I would be glad. Unforunately the are bigger problems. I can't paste text from Firefox into OpenOffice, because there's no common clipboard between X11 and Aqua. May it would work if I used the X11 version from Firefox... I also can't drop a text file onto OO's icon to open the file, because OO has no icon! There's just the X11 icon from the X-Server. OO's shortcuts use the Ctrl key instead of the Cmd key.
At least NeoOffice/J supports the clipboard, Cmd shortcuts, and D&D on the icon. With customized toolbar icons, Neo/J also looks OK (it's not a nice fully Aqua look, but better than that ugly Win95 look).
Yeah, polished apps are nicer. But you forget one thing: Many Mac users hate MS. There is no big fully native office suite on Mac except MS Office. iWork '05 looks nice, but it's not a big office suite. NeoOffice still doesn't look too great, but it has so many fans, because it's the only big alternative. There is no WordPerfect and no SmartSuite. And NeoOffice also free (beer and speech).
A well ported Office app (--> as in "not so buggy") written with Qt will have it's fans. I'm sure most users won't care if the menu layout is not so mac like, when the rest works well.
(I know about about the smaller office programs on Mac, like AbiWord, Mellel, etc)
They're just focusing on what they think will make the most users happy. Simple as that.
That's just a lame excuse for "We are the mighty Sun, but we don't help those Mac faggots, because Apple is now competing with us in servers. We neither helped those OS/2 idiots when we released the StarOffice 5.2 source. We had the OS/2 sources of StarOffice 5.1, but OS/2 is from IBM and they are competing with us either. We didn't want to release the source of Win32 StarOffice, too, but Windows is too big to ignore."
PS: No, I don't think that Mac or OS/2 user are fags or idiots, but it's my impression that Sun thinks that way.
And when you look how bad the quality of Apple's MPEG-4 ASP is (compared to XviD, DivX,...), I wouldn't
bet that Apple AVC will be so great either.
If you want to encode on Mac I guess that Sorenson Squeeze 4 is currently the best sollution. According to the latest codec comparison on Doom9.net NeroDigital AVC is the best codec (Sorenson was not tested).
I think we all know how well modern versions of Windows and Office support ugly-as-hell-looking... I said nothing about the looks of Windows or MS Office for Windows (apparently you mean the Windows version of Office). MS Office for Mac looks good and supports drag&drop and copy&paste between applications. GNUmeric and OpenOffice can't do these things on Mac, because they are X11 apps. (While NeoOffice/J does not look great, it does at least support stuff like drag&drop.)
You want foobar2000 No, I don't want that. If you read my post carefully, you may have noticed that I'm a Mac user (see what I wrote about the office suite I use and the instant messenger I use - both NeoOffice/J and Fire are OSX only.) iTunes rips my CDs as AAC audio, plays my music and manages my playlists. It does those things very well.
If I wanted to do all of this with a Windows based home network do you have any idea how much money I'd have to spend to buy commercial software?
You know there's also free software (beer and speech) for Windows. Almost every programm on you list also works for Windows. Firefox, Thunderbird, Apache, 7-Zip, etc.... works. Plus apps like iTunes.
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ISO/IEC 23270:2003 - C# Language Specification
ISO/IEC 23271:2003 - Common Language Infrastructure
ISO/IEC TR 23272:2003 - Common Language Infrastructure -- Profiles and Libraries
Stage date (of all 3): 2003-03-28
This means you had 2 years to realise that these are also ISO standards.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/net/ecma/ says:
"The following organizations have participated in the work of ECMA TC39/TG2 and TC39/TG3 and their contributions are gratefully acknowledged:
(...)Novell/Ximian(...)"
So Novell does also have rights to C#/CLR/CLI.
Quote from KDE-Cygwin:
Posted By: habacker
Date: 2005-01-27 14:21
Summary: source and binary snapshots of QT/Win Free Edition available
The QT/Win Free Edition is not far away from to be a full working release.
Maybe this is why Trolltech made this announcement? Trolltech propably had its reasons not to release the Windows version under GPL, but with this fork their reasons may be undermined. So maybe the guys at Trolltech thought "better done right (by us), than done buggy (by others) and give us bad reputation".
Of course this is just speculation and the close time gap between the KDE-Cygwin announcement and the Trolltech announcement could be just a coincidence.
They aired the crappy Voyager series for 7 (too) long seasons without killing it and now they kill not-so-bad Enterprise?!?
I hope there will be at least some movies based on Enterprise - So the birth of the Federation can happen.
In fact, someone could create a fully open source spyware program! Then all you'd have to do is convince people to install it. That's the easy part.
;-)
Install Adbar now!
I don't want to flame xMule.
As you see it, aMule is a hostile fork. OK.
I just see that the aMule team managed to get aMule run on OSX natively.
When xMule is able to do the same in a user friendly way, I may try xMule.
But honestly, I think that the ED2K network will be dead when xMule reaches that stage. ED2K is already almost dead. (Even today I almost never use aMule.)
As a user I don't care about the developers' personal problems. I just want a usable app and currently aMule is usable, while xMule is not (at least on OSX).
"Hostile forks", as you call them, can be good. Eg a "hostile fork" made GCC a better compiler (EGCS). OpenBSD was forked from NetBSD - now these are are two OSes with their own strengths.
There are other examples of positive "hostile" forks.
since when has Sony or Nintendo cared that much about baseball?
Never. I'm sure.
Where are our beloved Windows keys?!?!?
I think if there's one person who really deserves credit as "the guy behind Firefox," it's Ben Goodger, UI nazi and lead developer from 0.7 onwards. After all, as Firefox is mostly just a UI gloss on the underlying Mozilla code, it's Ben's rigorous adherence to principles of good, clean, simple UI that has made Firefox the breakaway success that the Suite never was.
Yeah. Too bad he doesn't work on Thunderbird. TB really needs cleanig up its GUI.
including such usability cock-ups as changing some keyboard shortcuts from positive actions to destructive ones (when I want to open something in a new tab, I don't expect to get my bookmarks deleted!).
Huh? Which shortcut are you talking about?
PS: I agree with the rest of your comment. Luckily the current Trunk nightlies are useable (--> no more slashdot bug).
For all you non-Windows people...
The file works just fine with VLC and WMP for Mac. Windows is not needed to watch this file.
I dont know if you check for responses
I did. Thanks. I'll try it soon.
Quote:
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"Supported File Types: Audible, MP3, WAV, WMA"
Hehe.
OK, I stop this lame joke.
Seriously: What is "Audible"? Never heard of that file format.
2)Copy/paste works fine for X11 (in fact apple stresses this in their promotion of having an X server in OSX, I also just tested this on my powerbook, I use this all the time between gaim firefox and openoffice), you just need to use control instead of command.
Of course it works between OpenOffice and GAIM, because both are X11 apps!
I can't paste text from a native app into an X11 app! Maybe if you use another X-Server. I use the plain Apple X11 that came with Panther!
Huh? I copied random text from Firefox can't paste it into OpenOffice (X11).
I tried Ctrl-V and your [Ctrl]-[Option]-click technique. Are you sure it works for you? I doesn't work for me.
Of course it's easier. I never said anything else.
But as you can also see, Sun doesn't have a lot interest in helping other plattforms. Sun had the OS/2 sources for StarOffice. They didn't release it. Why not?
Sun also had older Mac sources for StarOffice. While not the latest code, it may could have served to help create a Carbon version of OpenOffice.
To the contrary. Many Mac users like MS because they release Office for Mac
And all those "Now I can finally ditch MS Office" posts on various web sites when iWork was announced were just my imagination? Er... no.
You obviously don't know Mac users.
I *am* a Mac user! I also know quite a few other Mac users.
Just because you care about the menu layout, it doesn't mean that all the other Mac users think that way.
Just look at browser use on Mac. Firefox has lots of users on Mac. "Help --> About" isn't Mac like. Not all buttons are Aqua buttons.
So how do you explain the popularity of Firefox on Mac?
Other than it's slower and looks like total crap?
I those were the only problems, I would be glad.
Unforunately the are bigger problems. I can't paste text from Firefox into OpenOffice, because there's no common clipboard between X11 and Aqua. May it would work if I used the X11 version from Firefox...
I also can't drop a text file onto OO's icon to open the file, because OO has no icon! There's just the X11 icon from the X-Server.
OO's shortcuts use the Ctrl key instead of the Cmd key.
At least NeoOffice/J supports the clipboard, Cmd shortcuts, and D&D on the icon. With customized toolbar icons, Neo/J also looks OK (it's not a nice fully Aqua look, but better than that ugly Win95 look).
Yeah, polished apps are nicer. But you forget one thing: Many Mac users hate MS. There is no big fully native office suite on Mac except MS Office. iWork '05 looks nice, but it's not a big office suite.
NeoOffice still doesn't look too great, but it has so many fans, because it's the only big alternative. There is no WordPerfect and no SmartSuite. And NeoOffice also free (beer and speech).
A well ported Office app (--> as in "not so buggy") written with Qt will have it's fans. I'm sure most users won't care if the menu layout is not so mac like, when the rest works well.
(I know about about the smaller office programs on Mac, like AbiWord, Mellel, etc)
They're just focusing on what they think will make the most users happy. Simple as that.
That's just a lame excuse for "We are the mighty Sun, but we don't help those Mac faggots, because Apple is now competing with us in servers. We neither helped those OS/2 idiots when we released the StarOffice 5.2 source. We had the OS/2 sources of StarOffice 5.1, but OS/2 is from IBM and they are competing with us either. We didn't want to release the source of Win32 StarOffice, too, but Windows is too big to ignore."
PS: No, I don't think that Mac or OS/2 user are fags or idiots, but it's my impression that Sun thinks that way.
What are you talking about? H.264 (aka AVC) is an open standard. Apple is not the only one who implents this standard. In fact, Apple is quite slow. Here's a short list of available encoders:
Sorenson Squeeze 4, MainConcept H.264 Encoder, Nero Digital AVC, Hdot264, x264, etc....
And when you look how bad the quality of Apple's MPEG-4 ASP is (compared to XviD, DivX,...), I wouldn't bet that Apple AVC will be so great either.
If you want to encode on Mac I guess that Sorenson Squeeze 4 is currently the best sollution. According to the latest codec comparison on Doom9.net NeroDigital AVC is the best codec (Sorenson was not tested).
I think we all know how well modern versions of Windows and Office support ugly-as-hell-looking...
I said nothing about the looks of Windows or MS Office for Windows (apparently you mean the Windows version of Office). MS Office for Mac looks good and supports drag&drop and copy&paste between applications. GNUmeric and OpenOffice can't do these things on Mac, because they are X11 apps.
(While NeoOffice/J does not look great, it does at least support stuff like drag&drop.)
You want foobar2000
No, I don't want that. If you read my post carefully, you may have noticed that I'm a Mac user (see what I wrote about the office suite I use and the instant messenger I use - both NeoOffice/J and Fire are OSX only.)
iTunes rips my CDs as AAC audio, plays my music and manages my playlists. It does those things very well.
If I wanted to do all of this with a Windows based home network do you have any idea how much money I'd have to spend to buy commercial software?
You know there's also free software (beer and speech) for Windows. Almost every programm on you list also works for Windows. Firefox, Thunderbird, Apache, 7-Zip, etc.... works. Plus apps like iTunes.
does thunderbird eventually have a calendar?
Yes, eventually.There's also Sunbird.
is Evolution available for windows
Not yet, but IIRC Novell is porting it to Windows (Ximian is no more).