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UPN Officially Cancels 'Star Trek: Enterprise'
Tycoon Guy writes "It's official now: UPN has decided to cancel 'Enterprise.' The show's series finale, which may feature Jonathan Frakes (William T. Riker) and Marina Sirtis (Deanna Troi), will air on Friday the 13th of May. The show's fate was probably sealed when last Friday's episode reached only 2.5 million viewers - but even so, the people at EnterpriseFans.com are still trying to raise money for a fan campaign to save the show."
"Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!"
actually it's "YES!"
Now the question is, will it be rescued by Fox?
Rock that crushes, Paper & Scissors that don't matter.
In the finale, Q takes Riker to the past, present and future to correct the timeline and prevent Enterprise from happening.
Out with Star Trek, in with Battlestar Galactica.
The 13th of May is my dad's 70th birthday. Do I have dinner with him or watch Enterprise. Decisions, decisions...
Trolling is a art,
a DDOS attach brought down UPN networks late yesterday shortly after news that Star Trek: Enterprise would be canceled. No details were available at this time
I enjoyed the show. But if people weren't watching it, then all I can really say is 'farewell'.
Hmm maybe now we'll get that Star Trek: Titan show that was rumored to be about Captain Riker and the fall of the Federation....
"Derp de derp."
Just let the borg find a "ripple" in the space time cont., and assimulate all the enterprise cast before it all happens, and BOOM.
I didn't know anybody watched that show in the last three years? Good to know.
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Let the fucking series end already. Way past beating a dead horse.
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There is a Star Trek "Enterprise" ? There is a UPN?
huh?
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When an episode that's establishing major canon for the universe (the foundation of the Federation and the start of the Earth-Rom War) gets the lowest viewership EVAR, maybe it's time for a rest.
When I first heard about the series I immediately thought it was going to be a hard drama about the pain and suffering of the early days of spaceflight.
What a waste of potential. I'm not sure how weird of an idea it is, but I would love to see a BBC style 'remake' of the series. Of course throwing out everything except the basic concept.
There's a new star trek series on tv?!
If the franchise takes 5 years off, and comes back with new people at the helm (and not Berman or Braga - they had their chance, it's time for fresh blood), it might actually be something that can reignite fandom again.
Star Trek's roots are in social criticism, raw idealism, and triumphalism about the human spirit. There was very little of any of those themes in Star Trek series in recent years. A return to roots is neccessary, especially since the bar has been raised on production values (Battlestar Galactica), story arc writing (Babylon 5) and character development (Farscape).
Or, they could just hire Wil Wheaton as the next captain - playing a different character than Wesley Crusher, natch - give him a starship, and set him loose.
Just stop having episodes with Nazis. Or on historical Earth. Or both.
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Worst. Trek. Evar.
It's not that is was fantastic, just that it was better than CSI:Dubuque or what have you. I'll actually miss it, somewhat. Ah, who am I kidding... life's too short. If you have to say "somewhat" it should go away. Like mediocre table wine and my last so-called vacation.
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When was the last time when there wasn't a Star Trek series running on television. I bet it was between Star Trek (The Original Series) and Star Trek: TNG. I say this because Deep Space Nine started during Star Trek TNG, and Voyager started during DS9, and Enterprise started in 2001 (the same year Voyager ended).
.. did) I could waste my Friday night watching Enterprise.
I must admit I thought Enterprise sucked, and Voyager sucked even more, but there was something comforting in the knowledge that if I ever wanted to see how the Federation I was doing (or at least
Hmm, it appears I'm a nerd. Oh well, I'm still sad.
"There's no success like failure, and failure's no success at all."
- Bob Dylan
How do they know only 2.5 million watched it? Is there some kind of tracking device in my TV i should know about? Not that i'm complaining about Enterprise going down...
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Personally I preferred Enterprise over any other sci-fi show that I've seen. Especially this last season I felt they really did an excellent job with the story line.
I was anxiously awaiting the next episode each week.
That being said, I missed Friday's epsiode because I don't have any cool PVRs. I guess I'll have to download it.
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
If this would have been anounced a few years ago like around season 2 or early season 3, I would not have minded or even cared, but season 4 so far has been really good. 3 mediocre/crappy seasons rightfully turned people away to this series, but it is a pity when they get something good going on, that there is no one left to watch it.
Once they started up with the whole time-travel bullshit, anyone could tell that it was circling the drain.
Time travel = horrible plots
It would be great if it all ended with another time paradox episode. Like, Crewman Daniells comes and says Enterprise was just a school project, they were never supposed to exist at all.
And that explains all the errors (Klingons, phasers, really fast ship etc etc).
It was just never meant to be..
Is anyone really surprised? I mean, Star Trek has been getting steadily worse. Voyager royally sucked and Enterprise was, at best, mediocre.
Trek fans shouldn't take this too hard. This cancellation could give the staggeringly lazy Trek writers and producers a kick up the arse -- it's a good excuse for a badly needed clean out of the wasters that have taken up residence in the Star Trek creative departments over its long history. The next Trek series might actually be worth watching as a result.
In the meantime take a look at the new Battlestar Galactica. I'm British, I've seen the entire series already and it's fantastic stuff.
We all know that crap is king
Give us dirty laundry!
It was the only Star Trek that never really bored me to death. One of the few good scifi shows still around. I know I will miss it.
There was no chance ever of it being renewed. It was moved to Friday, which we all know is teh death nell for any SciFi show. I mean if FireFly could not cut it on Friday, how the heck is the worst Star Trek show going to have a prayer. B&B blow, and Joss rocked. Damnit bring back FireFly. .. . .
the people at EnterpriseFans.com are still trying to raise money for a fan campaign to save the show.
no. raise money to feed the hungry. raise money to house the homeless. do not raise money to save a tv show.
They wasted so much promise with this show that it really does deserve to die. I will miss Jolene Blalock's overall yuminess, however.
I guess the temporal war got out of hand, and destroyed the crappy spacetime continuum that "Enterprise" was in.
It's too bad...the new season was starting to grow on me.
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If Berman let's the franchise cool for a while, then this is a good thing. If Berman keeps his chaps on and continues to ride the dead horse, this will be a bad thing. Sadly, I pretty sure I know how this is going to turn out...
That stupid, stupid opening theme song..
WTF? Rod Stewart in outer space??
at least we won't have to deal with that anymore...
yet, the only thing worse than the song was the constant statements from the producers stating it would not change...
memo to future producers: when that many people complain about a show, perhaps its time to rethink things.
The series started off well enough. They just kept introducing stranger and stranger concepts and new races. It wasn't the same as TNG where there was actually a plot. Everything after TNG has been a tragedy because they don't stick to what works. Everything is either too "shoot em up", or way too involved. Every TNG episode was a stand-alone good watch, even if you had never seen the series before. The whole temporal war thing was way too hard to follow and the aliens, though they had some cool abilities, stunk. The show needs more depth to its writing. I mean, the captain is Sam Beckett, but the whole moving through time thing stunk.
Actually, I shouldn't say they suck, but for some reason they seem to put their shows on really bad time slots and the ones I might watch I don't actually ever get to see.
I have satellite TV, live in the Mountain time zone, and the UPN channels I get are based out of Boston. Enterprise is always on at 6:00pm - about the time I get home from work.
Recently saw the posting about UPN ending the series, so pulled some episodes of bt. Haven't watched many of them, got tied up in the first season of 24 on dvd and bsg, but did like the ones I've seen. Too bad, it's a great premise. I hate to see a show with great potential get cancel because of bad timeslots, bad writing and bad promotion.
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This is almost unfortunate. Last week's episode, involving the Romulans scheming against the possibility of Earth brokering an alliance between the Andorians and Tellarites, was the first one in a long time to really get at the meat of what I think most Star Trek fans wanted to see from Enterprise. If B&B hadn't filled the series with all that time travelling alien nazi crap, they might not have lost the faith of the true believers, and Manny Coto would have a much easier time bringing people back to the Altar of Roddenberry.
that is where the show should be... look what they did with SG1!
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For many reasons..
1. The Trek stuff has been overdone and overexposed. They need to go back to the drawing board and come up with some original and *interesting* stories that fit in with the overall Federation mythos. Enterprise started well, but went stupid with the whole Xindi and cult-of-Archer crap.
2. This should free up a lot of viewers to head over to the Sci-Fi channel for Sci-Fridays..
SG-1 is getting better and now that Browder hhas signed on for season 9 that should hopefully breathe some new life into the show.
SG: Atlantis has been progressing by the episode and has not peaked yet.. the second have of season 1 is awesome, especially the finale!
BSG is freaking amazing.. and not just because of Trcia Helfer, the stories are well done and its got a lot of depth. This is another one where the Season Finale has you going. Nooooooooooooo!!! Because of the wait for the next season.
So, in closing I say that paramount should take a few years off and come back with a Movie or something when fans have forgotten the bad taste that Voyager and Enterprise left.
- JMS
"Rick Berman, on the other hand..."
- Trek's fanbase
Cause I've got faith - but no art,
Goin' where the ratings take me,
I've got faith to believe,
Borg chicks sell anything,
Branding strength - but no soul,
Finally the Nielsens break me,
I can sell - any script...
I've got faith... (I've got faith...)
Faith without art...
That's too bad.. it had really improved a lot this season. I've really enjoyed it this year...
WHEN I remember to watch it, that is. The move to Friday has caused me to miss about 4 episodes. Who is watching TV at 8pm on a Friday?
Moving it to Friday kiled it. That's the spot for zombie TV shows, which are dead but don' t know it yet.
It's too bad, because the story was very interesting this year, and I liked the way they did the 3-part story arcs. (Although they had a few typical Star Trek fluff episodes between each arc.)
If the first few seasons had been more like this one (providing the backstory to the original series, showing how the Federation came into existance) then it would have done better.
-- Tim Buchheim
Seriously. TiVo. No decisions. Just TiVo it.
And uh, regarding your response to your own post, although you were joking, you shouldn't need cable. UPN is broadcast.
Just admit it- you weren't going to watch anyway.
...but I stopped watching the show when they did a "cliffhanger" time warp back to WWII. That was so cliched that I couldn't work up any enthusiasm to watch the next season.
Note to scriptwriters, if you absolutely *have* to warp back to a historical battle, try the Civil War if you are trying for poignant sadness of brother killing brother, Vietnam for sheer futility, or either Gulf War for topical interest. The same people that find Nazis to be a good SF movie villain are the same people who watch Matlock.
Thank god, I hope that in future star trek books and such that they forget to mention that this show ever existed.
I don't get it -- why would SciFi put its best show on the worst night?
Every year during my review, I just pray the words "slashdot.org" aren't mentioned.
tho in my world, "Starfleet Academy" is a half hour sitcom.
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and guess what, it dies. It didnt help the second season sucked (I came back for the 1/2 half of the third season when it got better). This season wasnt too bad, but it'd probably still be getting another 1M viewers if it were still on Wednesday.
Just like Fox, UPN seems to engage in timeslot-induced cancellation. Good job, idiots!
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If you're not outraged, then you're not paying attention.
Looks like EnterpriseFans.com needs to start taking up a collection for more robust web hosting.....
It was moved to Friday, which we all know is teh death nell for any SciFi show.
I find that a rather illogical statement, considering that Stargate and Battlestar Galactica are both doing very well on Friday, and they are even on cable which doesn't reach as many households as UPN.
The problem with Enterprise was that the first two seasons sucked ass and it consequently never developed a strong fanbase beyond the die hard trekkies during the early life of the show. The last two seasons have been better, but unfortuantely not good enough to save it.
There has been Something Star Trek in the theaters, on TV, and what not our for decades. If it all jsut went away for a few years, maybe people's hunger will come back and there can be a succesfull series again.
Pretty Pictures!
Scott Bakula is so awesome.
Drugs, Americans voting for Bush, and more importantly, that freaking THEME SONG that SUCKS freaking ASS...
With so many great new series on SciFi, there's no reason to have ST. There's been about a million spin-offs and it's getting really old. UPN actually made a good decision (they're first ever!) to cancel the show. I'd much rather watch SG:1, SG:A and Battlestar Gallactica!
Q. How many "Enterprise" fans does it take to save a TV series?
A. Both of them.
Thanks, I'll be here all week.
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While the show started out as poor, its gotten better and it now upto TNG in quality. The problem they have, is some people tuned out, and lost viewers.
Instead of working on it, and keeping the show going, they cancel. Where are the 2 hour specials to bring back viewers? They havnt tried shit, other than canceling. The whole idea of a gritter time is great, thats what made Firefly kick ass.
Really tired of all the networks canceling shows and putting reality crap, or fucking with good content. SciFi at least has Stargate and Atlantis. G4 fucked over TechTV, its a poor shell of the show it once was. B5 had many spinoffs, and possible
Last week episode showed how much the show improved. The plot worked, good inship fighting, little drama, and a few ship battles. Everything you want in a good episode.
So before all the posts "Its Crap, Let it DIE", are wrong, its a good now, now that the time war crap is over. I wish they would shoot the writers who are ruining such a good series.
Is it me, or is becoming popular to buy something and run it into the ground?
Side note, wtf is shows like "Blind Justice" a cop who is blinded on duty goes back to work, and now has super powers? Are we in a time warp going back to 80's crap?
Where are the fucking smart tv producers and network directors, they all quit?
My order of preference:
1 Star Trek
2 Enterprise
3 The Legend Continues
4 Voyager
5 DS9
I didn't hold out much hope for Enterprise. I was leery of Bakula as captain, I couldn't stand Quantum Leap. But I thought T'Pol was pretty hot and the show moved pretty well. Oh well.
Which was a pretty cool show when it first aired, but the same could be said of TOS.
How about _completely_ new series, with no canon to worry about, no old fans to grouse about "how it was better back in the day" etc.
Babylon 5 seemed to do that. What's the big fear about trying likewise again?
upn is scared, nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah-nyaahhh-nyah
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
strange coincidence that both series that started and finished the franchise didn't get to 100 episodes each
(yeah yeah, the 'franchise' isn't dead officially, but given this show is cancelled early, there's not much chance of there being any more...)
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Please, let it die, no stupid save Enterprise campigns. Let the show die. After so many years it will be good to reboot the machine which is Paramount/Star Trek. It has been years sense there has been anything good out of that studio/show combo.
Ted Tschopp
Fantasy remains a human right; we make in our measure and in our derivative mode... -- JRR Tolkien
This quote that I randomly heard in an elevator one day, is a very appropriate quote to apply to Enterprise.
The writing is stale, non-engaging, and I channel surf while watching it. Now that it's in a timeslot as Battlestar Galactica, it has literally no chance of survivial. Only the puriest will continue to watch.
The idea to go back before the original series was shakey at best. They were better off giving the series a little bit of a rest. You had TNG, then DS9 overlapped, then Voyager overlapped that one, to then have Enterprise. It's a bit much.
Overall, for the series to truly survive you need a few things.
* To hell with time travel. Never liked it in Star Trek, it was overused, and poorly done.
* Get new writers who understand drama and character development. This is where BSG will dominate in.
* You have alot of explaining to do when we see characters now, that we didn't see in the later timeline, almost giving yourself too much work to handle, drop it, move on and continue with what you had. Had they continued with the storyline of Voyager, you had a chance for better cameos and characters you enjoyed.
* Better storyline overall. I'm tied of these pretty weak dranas the franchise is putting out. I find Star Gate a better sell than Star Trek. There simply isn't enough dynamic content with Star Trek. Give me something deeper into the Cardasians, Klingons, etc. Corruption within the Federation. Give me something.
Somebody finally noticed that the dead horse (Star Trek) is several kinds of dead and stopped trying to dead it further.
In other news: Time for my seventh cup of coffee since 9am. Hella caffeine. HELLA CAFFEINE!
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I'm bummed. At least there's Battlestar Galactica, Stargate Atlantis, and Stargate SG1 (I'm really trying to convince myself that it hasn't jumped the shark now that O'Neill's a general and Hammond's gone.. and no more Teryl Rothery yumminess :(
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With demographic representation of the population. Survey may be interview based (less biases but harder) or they ask/sponsor/pay you to install a 'spy box' on your TV for 2 weeks (some bias with who agrees but they try to neutralise it).
Move it to fridays, and stop promoting it. Result: even die hards forget it exists.
Hey, they could do something like NBCs must see Thursday, called UPNs gonna cancel Friday!
(If at first you don't succeed, do it different next time!)
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My local TV station airs Enterprise at midnight. They're lucky they have 2.5 million viewers. I never see the show advertised. Most of the time I forget to record the show. The few I've seen I've enjoyed.
The show's fate was probably sealed
The show's fate was sealed when they start with the Time Travel episodes. Everything since then has been a kicking the dead horse.
Imagine, they had the opportunity to show us what the pre-Federation days were like, the lack of order, social problems brought on by colonization (Mars riots, anyone?), why did relationship with the Klingons went sour (The reason for the Prime Directive if I remember from ST:TNG).
Instead they give us rehashed plots by putting evil aliens in evil Nazi uniforms. Wasn't that done in Voyager??? Cmdr. Riker makes a suprise
appearance when he's not even from the same era?
Been done a zillion times.
This latest season was pretty good, but it's too little too late.
Enterprise never had a chance with the B&B team that headed the project.
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what did they expect, really, that a bunch of sci-fi geeks would generate a lot of excitement about the history of another show? the key is to get bigger and better technology to generate interest. the best they came up with is the time traveller.
maybe if they gave scott bakula some kind of super power they could generate some hype. i think he should get heat vision and super speed. that would cancel out the history stuff for sure.
or maybe it was those aliens on that unlikely planet that supposedly generated 5 different sentient species. those repile things with all the things sticking out of their head were just ridiculous -- what the heck kind of warrier species has fragile stuff sticking out all over that would make good handles in a fight anyway.
on a positive note, i still want to nail claudia black. i think it's the accent. no wait, that's a different show. nevermind.
"How about having a frikkin' new idea once in a while???"
You are aware that their last "new idea" was 'Reality' Television!? The fewer new ideas those slimeballs come up with, the better.
I think the only thing keeping TV from being entirely worthless is that there are still quality, older TV shows floating around out there.
If not Fox perhaps one of the cable outlets that caries the older Treks in syndication? I have actually enjoyed ST:Enterprise (but I have a high tolerance for dreck) certainly going back and comparing to first season or two of TNG I would say Enterprise is better. But I was also disappointed with he strange direction the third season went with the meddling time traveling alien nazis I think the fourth season is shaping up nicely.
Anyhow, I'll miss it even if no one else does.
I really liked the series. It was much better than Voyager. I do think that they need put the franchise on hold for awhile especially if Enterprise, as good as it was, can't make it in the ratings.
Oh well, now I don't have to worry about Enterprise conflicting with the new Dr.Who series.
Where would we be if Wheel had hid her round rock in a cave instead of showing everyone how it rolls?
the people at EnterpriseFans.com are still trying to raise money for a fan campaign to save the show.
Resistance is futile.
Seriously, in this case.
"There's no success like failure, and failure's no success at all."
- Bob Dylan
"Paramount hopes to lure it's ailing fan base back to the franchise with the tentatively titled 'Star Trek: Boobs'. Little is known of the planned series, though we do know it involves even longer scrubbing sessions, even tighter outfits, and even bigger boobs. Oh, and time travel, lots of time travel."
There can oly be one dominant Sci Fi Captain!
Mabye on the last episode they'll have Captain Archer get his head chopped off by Adamma!
(If at first you don't succeed, do it different next time!)
If you want original shows, get HBO and tune into Carnivale. That's pretty original right there, unless there's another show about avatars, monsters and the dustbowl that I'm forgetting. Or Deadwood -- okay, there have been westerns before, but not anything like this one. Or watch The Wire. Again, cop shows in general are nothing new, but how many spend as much if not more time fleshing out the "bad guys" as they do the cops?
I'll grant you that the *networks* mostly aren't doing anything all that cutting-edge right now, but who wants to watch them anyhow here in the darkest days of Mike Powell's Moral TV Crusade?
Every year during my review, I just pray the words "slashdot.org" aren't mentioned.
"You left just when you were beginning to get interesting."
Seems like this show is finally starting to gain some momentum. Too bad the never-ending moronic Xindi plot had already killed the show.
I think all the interesting parts of the Xindi story arc honestly could have been compressed into about 3 episodes.
And WTF was up with the "Beauty and the Beast" episode complete with medieval sytle castle? Ugh, what a disaster that was. Probably lost 40% of what was left of their viewership on that episode alone.
Still, once that lame arc finally completed, there have been a few interesting episodes. They're finally getting back to actually exploring the galaxy, rather than hunting "Osma in space". They've had some interesting characters, and getting into dealing with the implications of a lot of "cutting edge" technology happening at that point in the Trek timeline. Some promise there, but nobody's watching anymore. Well, except me, which apparently puts me in the minority of even the geeky slashdot crowd. Scary.
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yes, there was a final episode of quantum leap. No, he did not get back home.
it was kinda cheezy, actually. rather than lead into another episode, the video just stopped; there was just a voiceover that informed us of his fate.
Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaan!!!
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Star Trek hasn't changed much since TNG. TNG was great TV, and I felt like DS9 was, too (once Sisco/Hawk shaved his head and became a badass), but after that...
Farscape was what did it for me. It showed me that sci-fi TV coud be smart AND funny AND fast-paced AND well-written AND imaginative AND everything else that Star Trek is not anymore and hasn't been for a long time.
I was complaining to a friend about how all ST shows had gotten so slow. They plod to each commercial break until someone reverses some polarity and makes everything better. He disagreed with me, but karma was on my side. That night, the episode of Enterprise that was on featured some sort of gooey space alien that was in a cargo hold or something, and everybody who went in got caught in it, suspended in gooey tentacles.
Slowest. Monster. Ever. Just like the ST franchise these days.
Here in the 21st Century, money is not yet obsolete.
Very odd, captain. If only we could accomplish this ??? step, we still may be able to profit.
Distributed Disintrest Of Startrek?
The ratings are so bad, I doubt even the script kiddies are watching it. Trek never really recovered from Shatner's "Get a Life" joke.
Yeah, there was awful writing at times (something Trek has recovered from before), few places left to boldly go in the Trekverse and geekdom's entertainment habbits were moving away from the tv forcing the networks to flail around in search of a new audience, but the "Get a Life" meme was a stigma that eroded all that was good and fun about the fandom.
last Friday's episode reached only 2.5 million viewers
I dunno. There's something inherently odd about 2.5 million people watching a single television show being considered a failure.
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...the intro song played for the first time on the pilot episode!
I'm surprised MTV and every Clear Channel radio station on Earth hasn't been playing some Ashley Simpson, Britney Spheres, {insert Pop-Tart here}, cover of the song 50 times a day!
It was finally getting good, too.
It's good to use your head, but not as a battering ram.
Bah. Sisko was the best captain.
I don't know anything about the economics of the industry, which I don't doubt are daunting, but it's interesting that an audience of 2.5 million is considered a failure. That would be a huge success for a lot of other kinds of product. It also says something about the available distribution systems that there's no way to profitably distribute a show like that to people who want to watch it, e.g., pay per view across the net. Not that _I'd_ pay for it, mind you, but then I wasn't one of those 2.5 million.
Throw in Dean Stockwell, and maaaayybe I'd watch it.
"Sam...uh, I mean, Johnathan, Ziggy says there's an 82.3 percent chance of your being cancelled again!"
They should've done "Starfleet Academy: 90210," but they didn't listen to me.
That'll teach 'em.
Star Trek died with Gene Roddenberry in 1991
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Can we force UPN to let J. Michael Straczynski develop a new series? I heard he had already dreampt one up...
i agree with most others, enterprise (*COUGH* SEASON 3 *COUGH*) has been one gigantic money shot right on the face of loyal star trek fans, until season 4.
With a few exceptions, nearly all the episodes of season 4 have been very good, mainly due to the 3-episode story arcs that are each on their own 100 times more important and interesting than all of the season 3 xindi b.s.
if they hadn't moved the timeslot to friday i seriously think the viewership would be much higher than it was last year. good job B&B, way to run a tv show with your heads firmly planet up your asses.
I just found the box to change my sig. Um.... [timeless witticism].
Those three shows developed solid plots, solid characters, and solid everything. The only thing I ever liked about 'Voyager' was Keri Ryan's role as 'Seven' (I always mentally salivated wondering if those Borg implants were real... oh well.)
With 'Enterprise', there was nothing to salivate, no plots to keep you glued to the TV, no heroes to awe you, no villains to love. The best thing is for this piece of crap to die. Hopefully, several years from now, there will be some talented men and women with brains in their skulls (instead of chicken sh*t) that may revive Rodenberry's creation.
Oh, by the way... DIE MOTHERF*CKER!!! DIE!!!!!
An article here rounding up the state of scifi TV today... I think the theme song killed it.
Moving it to Friday kiled it. That's the spot for zombie TV shows, which are dead but don' t know it yet.
It's dead, AND we know it.
paintball
Okay so the ratings plain suck. With this in mind, why are the fans trying to raise money to keep it on the air? The viewing public have voted with their feet, so why make an attempt to force the show onto people?
I just don't understand how you can have a group of people that dig a show, yet cannot accept that they are in a minority, and are about the only people in the planet that want to continue watching it.
Assuming they did raise the cash, what would they expect? That everyone in America would suddenly turn on their sets, declare how stupid they'd been and start watching it every week? Ludicrous.
Sunday you're Thinking Different, Monday you're a huge tool, paying too much and waiting to think like everyone else.
Trek: RIP
TechTV: RIP
Intelligent television: RIP
Those boys really know how to geek it up
Both much better.
:-) Looking forward to the movie.
I never got into firefly when it was on, but after a run through the box set in proper order, I must say it was shiny.
Farscape was a blast.
I hated enterprise from the beginning. Stupid time travel this and time travel that. I don't mind one wierd fluke time travel episode, but they couldn't come up with an idea that didn't involve time travel. One other thought, do prequels always suck?
Is anyone really surprised? Remember, this is a network that managed to kill off one of the funniest shows ever made, i.e. Dilbert, by running it on the same night as WWF and "Filthy McNasty's" or something similarly idiotic. Comments about the show's quality aside... this is UPN. Their programming geniuses could fuck up a wet dream.
After DS9, I kind of just didn't have much time to watch as consistently as before and that might explain why I never got much into Voyager or Enterprise. However I caught some Enterprise lately and it seemed decent enough. However, one show that comes from Roddenberry's world caught my eye was Andromeda? Is this an alternate place in the Star Trek universe, or its own thing totally? Either way I really like and find myself yet again making time (and now watching it has me catching reruns of TNG and DSP).
Enterprise sucked big time the first two seasons, was sometimes enjoyable in the 3rd and finally improved a lot in this one.
Besides episodes 10 and 11, which frankly sucked so much to look like they came from the first season, the last one wasn't that bad and the beginning of the season was really good (imho, ymmv).
Of course viewers count drop! What do they expect after spreading rumours about cancellation and airing two shitty episodes in a row?
2.5 million is HUGE numbers. In the UK thats like a 3rd of the population. I might hate enterprise but Jesus christ give it a break with figures that high.
I like muppets.
Nobody asked me if I watched (well, recorded) it. I doubt the accuracy of their statistics and demographics. Even if they had an accurate model once, how up-to-date is it? Saying it only reached X million people is misleading.
The beating of the horse has ceased.
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I watched it exactly once for about 15 minutes, and it was so bad that I never watched it again. Take it as a troll if you like, but I've been a fan of star trek all the way through Deep Space Nine (voyager was written by people who didn't even know trek history apparently), and Enterprise was just not good.
it'll be too soon. I knew it was doomed to fail the minute they gave up the orchestra for that "faith of the heart" easy listening crap.
I'm British, I've seen the entire series already and it's fantastic stuff.
What does being British have to do with Battlestar Galactica, seeing Battlestar Galactica, or the show being a fantastic show? Did I miss something?
But I can't agree with you more about the digression of Star Trek. They tried to apply a forumla for mainstream success, and it failed miserably - so much so that the shows are losing respect of the original fan base.
I am not so sure about the fault being that of the writers. I am sure that they only create details that have been laid out by their superiors, those who direct the course of the show and series. I personally was never that much of a fan of a historical piece, like Enterprise. The show has always been about what a bright and wonderful future we have before us. If we can imagine it, we can accomplish it. ST:E seemed like a step backwards, not only in the timeline, but in the major theme of the Star Trek Universe. ST:E seemed to have a "sure the future is bright, but look at what we had to endure to get there" feel to it, and while it may work on some levels, that is not what Star Trek is all about.
Perhaps it will take someone with balls to create a show that isn't "edgy, gritty, or realistic" and give us what we want - optimism, hope, and fantasy. Give us something that will inspire our imagination, and not mirror reality.
I haven't lost my mind!
It is backed up on disk...somewhere...
Ever since they went to UPN, I've always had a hard time watching Star Trek. Where I live in Kansas I don't have a UPN channel, I think that is a problem with UPN (Remember CmdTaco saying he couldn't watch it when it first came on, and what, he lives in NY?). I couldn't watch voyager till it was syndicated and Enterprise is on at 1:30 am Saturday morning from a local TV station that wanted to be generous and switch from CBS to UPN for one hour.
DS9 is probably my favorite of the Treks, which wasn't on UPN. Bad deal going with UPN in my opinion.
The sad thing is, they have FINALLY started doing what they should have been doing from day one - namely, showing the foundation of the Federation - showing why the Federation didn't come into being UNTIL Earth started poking its collective noses into everything.
... well, the less said about it the better, save that it, too, served to turn off more people.
Had they launched into that, instead of the "Temporal cold war" bullshit (and the Xindi weapon bullshit), they could have caught and held the fans' attention.
But the Temporal Cold war crap turned off a lot of people.
And the Xindi weapon arc turned off many more people.
And that whole "Go back in time to WWII and fight the Nazis, who are working with fugly aliens"
So when they FINALLY start showing the founding of the Federation - when they finally explain how the stuck-up asshole Vulcans of the first seasons became the race we knew in TOS/TNG/DSV, how the alliances formed because of Starfleet, and how the Romulan wars started - there were no significant viewers left.
Which is a shame, as the series is finally starting to show some potential.
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(a) The universe carries too much baggage. Okay, it's nice to have some history to play off of and create plots from, but it's also a major downer creatively to have too much of your fantastic futuristic world predefined. Star Trek carries a ton of that baggage -- the relations, technology, conventions and politics are all laid out there.
Example outside of Trek: When I was younger, I was into the Dragonlance books. The first few were damn decent in terms of starter fantasy, but as more and more came out they started suffering from this exact problem. The situations, characters and setting started to lose their edge and the attributes which made them attractive in the first place. "Oh, hey, it's Lord Soth, what a shocker that he'd show up..."
(b) It's a show for a different time. I'm not sure if this is cyclical, but today's audiences don't really want mildly disguised social commentary. If you look at the top shows right now, they tend to be about human drama. BSG is a great example. Farscape was (often) a good example. Deadwood, the Wire... The list goes on and on.
I'd add that it was overmerchandised, but George Lucas has proved to us all that you can whore something out to the hilt and people will still come pony up for it if the original was good enough.
At this point, rather than trying to patch up the Star Trek universe it seems like it would be better just to direct creative juices elsewhere.
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What they need to do is work out a deal to air it on Sci-Fi channel. At least it won't be running against the top science fiction dramas on TV. Putting it on Friday really did it in. I'm glad I have a two channel DirectTivo. - Andrea -
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I'm not sure what happened but startrek is not drama, it is sci-fi. Somehow this got lost during the brainstorming of enterprise. I'll watch an hour of the borg, even the crappy ones in voyager but I won't last 15mins into the episode on who T-Pol sleeps with next.
More sci-fi, less drama. More psychobabbling nonsense about spacetime continuums and prime directives, that is what will get the fans back.
did you forget to take your meds?
When they moved it to friday it went head to head with Scifi's Stargate, which is about the highest rated scifi show there is, if they moved Enterprise to SciFi it would fare much better.
Is anyone really surprised? I mean, Star Trek has been getting steadily worse. Voyager royally sucked and Enterprise was, at best, mediocre.
I actually watched most of Voyager, dumbass fanboy that I was. I realized it was a mistake in retrospect.
So when Enterprise came on I gave it a chance, especially being a Quantum Leap fanboy.
Then I realized they had the same lame writing, acting shackles on Scott Bakula and another young unknown slate of actors for the crew. Many of the crew members were rehashes of the Voyager crew and the weapons officer was an angsty wuss.
Fool me once, once bitten, etc. I'll reconsider if they give Joss Whedon a crack at the helm.
Until then I'm waiting for an Episode of Galactica with Kate Mulgrew as a guest star so she can get in a whispering match with Edward James Olmos.
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about Enterprise, but it really has been generally getting better. Also Commander Shran is probably the best reoccuring character ever, and any episode with him is great.
it's about time
This cancellation could give the staggeringly lazy Trek writers and producers a kick up the arse -- it's a good excuse for a badly needed clean out of the wasters that have taken up residence in the Star Trek creative departments over its long history. The next Trek series might actually be worth watching as a result.
If they brought in J. Michael Straczynski, you can bet I'd watch the new series. Babylon 5 showed that that man knows how to write a goddamn good story, and might be one of the few people who could save Star Trek at this point.
The coolest voice ever.
Seriously, I'm kind of bummed that they haven't completely pulled out all the stops to get any remaining Trek fans to watch.
Where is the show I want to see. You know the one where Scott Bakula and that guy from Texas fight a whole truckload of Gorn to save the green skinned Orion women from being forced into the green alien sex trade while Q causes a time and dimensional, universal shift bringing the entire cast of TNG racing into battle - only get this - it's the MIRROR UNIVERSE TNG, with Evil Picard and even Evil Wesley showing up.
Oh yeah and of course the Vulcan chick and Seven of Nine find out that, yes, they are in fact space lesbians.
Sometimes my arms bend back.
Yep. As part of a special funding deal with Sky One, we in the UK have already seen the entire of season one of the new Galactica.
Thank god. The show sucked anyways
About time! /nothing to see here.
the only good thing about Enterprise was Russell Watson's rendition of "Faith of the heart" and Hoshi. mmmmmmmm. Hoshi.
Anyone else notice the date of the last episode?
This show, while it was star trek and bad star trek is better then none at all, it deserved to be cancelled for a few reasons....first...
Prequels never work to well. Star Wars works a little, but even it has the look that the past was more modern then the future problem. Examples in Star Wars is the Naboo Starfighter and Amidala's ship.
One thing that Enteprise was effected was the ship looked fricken great. LCD's all over the damn place and very sharp looking....NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IT CAME BEFORE KIRK!
I'd have rather seen more buttons and things like that....the bridge should have looked more like a 80's carrier. MUCH more cramped and not as modern looking. Even that may be slightly more then the old series.
UPN's signal SUCKS in my neighborhood and I never watched it primarily because of that. Also, my UPN affiliate is also a WB affiliate and they do not show it at the same time as the rest of the nation.
I will be picking this up on DVD. Since this one is real short, pricewise, it should be ok for me to get UNLIKE other Trek DVD sets!
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While 'Birth of the Federation' was an interesting game it did get bogged down in a micromanagement nightmare after a bit...
I was hoping for a movie about it... sort of "you've played the game, now see the series!"
With the relationship with the humans, andorrans and vulcans getting interesting this is exactly where it would have gone.
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They aired the crappy Voyager series for 7 (too) long seasons without killing it and now they kill not-so-bad Enterprise?!?
I hope there will be at least some movies based on Enterprise - So the birth of the Federation can happen.
What does being British have to do with Battlestar Galactica, seeing Battlestar Galactica, or the show being a fantastic show? Did I miss something?
Battlestar Galactica has been running in Britain for a few months already. Sky -- a British satellite broadcaster -- paid a big chunk of the money for its production and demanded the rights to a world exclusive. By the time it started in the U.S. we'd already seen virtually the entire run.
We all know that crap is king
Give us dirty laundry!
Let's be honest - many of us didn't watch more than the first few Episodes of Enterprise before they got fed up and dropped the series.
Yes, I too was happy when a new Startreck series was announced. But then I watched the first Episode... and the second... and the third.... and after I saw the fourth I simply gave up.
I can't really define what Startreck is all about.
But I know I don't want it to be about decontamination gel (fanservice is nice once in a while, but doing it in the first or second Ep is a bad sign, especially in a way that screams "I'm just here to show you a nekkid chick") and horrible temporal wars (giving it a big introduction and then not mentioning them for a long time doesn't improve this).
After the first seasons many Startreck fans simply abandoned the Series.
Even if it improved after that, it already had lost many fans - and without real efforts to regain them, they stayed lost - and this was the death knell for the series.
I'm feeling a bit sad for the Fans - I know if you love a Series (I loved Firefly) seeing it cancelled really hurts - but I hope they will take a breather, get a producer, decent director & writer team, and make a series that makes the Startreck label proud again.
And perhaps they can even cut down on time travel a bit...
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The problem with the StarTrek franchise since Gene R. died, is that everything gets filtered through so many layers that it's useless by the time it comes out of our end of the cable.
Have you noticed the shows getting progressively worse?
The premise of Enterprise was so deeply flawed that I'm amazed ANYONE could watch it.
I tried, I really did, but I just couldn't stomach it.
Where's the sense of exploration, (you know, Where No Man..I forget the rest.) if all they're doing is wandering around areas ALREADY mapped by the Vulcans?
If you combined the premise of Voyager with the Enterprise cast - THEN you'd have one kickass show!
Oh yeah, and bring back the mini-skirts you silly politically-correct humps!!!
Face the facts.. I't wasn't very good.
I liked quantum leap. I liked the previous versions of star trek (except ds9). I never liked this show.
To those that said it got better as it went on -- community college is where you practice. Network television is not the place to practice/develop a show.
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There was a time when I liked time travel stories. Now it's the last refuge of hack writers. Too bad.
So UPN cancels "Enterprise". UPN isn't the only station that buys Enterprise. In Canada, the Space network show it, as does CityTV. (who, while both are owned by CHUM, may not be paying exactly twice, but paying more then once) Im sure there are both "normal" and speciality networks all over the world buying and showing it.
Besides that, Enterprise is almost gaurenteed to have a long syndication run. STTOS is still being aired; outside of a marathon, when was the last time you saw Leave it to Beaver? Isn't Viacom all but gaurenteed infinite future syndication sales?
I remember one of those "behind the sceens" show on TNG. Each episode cost about as much to make as an average feature film. They had a bunch of production staff working full time, 52 weeks a year. (a 30 minute comedy could likey be shot in <2 days, 8 weeks for the season, not much post-production) So while expensive, I would think it would also be easy to manage at the executive level... Keep a regular, full time, cardre of ST production staff and all but forget about it on the executive level. No toss of the dice every season with new shows. No worrying about getting good writers or crew. ST just churns out stuff like clockwork. Quality is important, but many people will watch it regardless today, and tomorrow.
For that matter, with a full time ST cadre, movies could almost be done for free. Well, thats a streach.. But all your pre and post production stuff can be done here and there by the TV staff (or the opposit, the TV stuff could be done here and there by your movie crew). Farm out major work, and get a special crew to do the principal photography, but all the "glue" stuff could be done inhouse. At the very least, you will maintain a skill set, ST props, ST makup, ST sets and what not that, if you diddnt have full time staff, may or may not carry over from movie to movie.
People are saying that ST needs a break. Writers need a break, fans need a break. Is the opposite not true? Airing new shows keeps the interest up, even in the syndicated series. One might not tune in to watch a TNG episode, but if a TNG episode airs just before or just after Enterprise, the viewers might stick around for both.
I wonder how many others do this?
What does being British have to do with Battlestar Galactica, seeing Battlestar Galactica, or the show being a fantastic show? Did I miss something?
For once the UK has been showing a series ahead of the US - Battlestar Galactica finished over here a couple of weeks ago.
Sorry, but not surprised, to see it go.
For science fiction to succeed away from its own little niche of fans, it needs writers who can develop stories that appeal to a wide audience. After all, a bad science fiction story is, in the end, just another bad story.
The stories Enterprise has been telling since Coto became the showrunner are better, but Season Four is the wrong time to go after the audience the show should have sought in Season One.
The Star Trek franchise also suffers from the curse of its fans, many of whom give the earlier series a degree of respect they often didn't deserve. (Bad scripts and cheesy plots abounded there, too. Each series had wondetful moments of drama that inspired legitimate awe and wonder about humanity's future, but each series was also inconsistent, with frequent recourse to alien/disease of the week.)
But, every fan who insists that Trek scripts maintain continuity with their view of the Trek universe also hamstrings the writers, putting them in increasingly restrictive boxes.
A show like Babylon 5 survived thanks to consistently good scripts and adherence to one individual's vision. The notion that good stories begin with character development was at play there. But, any spinoff series would like have run into the same problems as happened to the Trek series.
So, my advice to Paramount is this: Go have a deep think. Pitch the next Trek series/movie to the general population. Bring in good writers, good actors, a good director. If Trek fandom values adherence to continuity more than good stories, tell them to take a one-way tranporter trip.
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Well, Sky One already aired the entire first season of Battlestar Galactica in the UK before the Sci Fi channel decided to pick it up and air it here (ie. in the US). So, I think he was pointing out that he has already seen the entire first season and, hence, can judge the show better than people who haven't.
Myself, I have to agree. I saw the last few episodes of Battlestar Galactica's first season. And I really hope they decide to pick it up for at least another season. Good acting, good and sometimes superb writing, decent sfx. Definitely a good show.
They should consider contacting the group that headed up the Farscape project. They got 4 more hours.
Or create a spin-off ST show with Howard Dean as the captain. He could thread his trademark yelping into the series as a regular feature.
In one of the episodes the Dean Enterprise will find itself displaced into a galaxy where Kerry is not scary.
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Okay... but for those of us living in the 21st century, whether in the UK or the US, what difference does it make where the show is broadcast? Once it's been shown anywhere it's available everywhere.
Well, as a fan of Bakula's earlier days of acting (Quantum Leap), I've never actually driven myself to watch Enterprise. Matter of fact, I've heard nothing good about it.
Moving on to my point.
Isn't it a little odd and/or creepy that the show will be cancelled on Friday, the 13th? Hmm. Probably a sick joke.
Some of us old pharts still like to plan to sit around the big-screen, turn up the stereo, pull a cork, and enjoy our 60 minutes of space-borne fantasy escape.
I have something in common with Stephen Hawking...
Who cares (We don't get UPN in this town anyway)
All I can say is Finally, Enterprise was an abomination. I have been a fan of Star Trek for many years and I have watched its decline since the days of TNG. Enterprise was rock bottom, I gave it a chance but all it did was defecate on the Star Trek franchise. It was bad enough that they ended Voyager with a time travel episode, but to go make a show like Enterprise that's main theme was a Star Trek prequel in the past that interacted a lot with a future time past even Voyager pissed me off. Time travel story lines are OK from time to time but I feel it is sloppy lack of imagination writing. I know there will be people who do not like what I have said about Enterprise. They will argue with my point of view that the show was good and that time travel was not what the show was about. To them I say I do not care, this is my opinion so live with it, you have yours. Enterprise should be erased from the greater Star Trek timeline as the bad dream that It was.
PS The only thing I feel bad about is that the actors lost there jobs, but they will be better off in the long run I am sure.
Stargate and Battlestar Galactica are both doing very well on Friday
And this is even more amazing considering any geek worth his salt has long since downloaded the entire first season of the new BSG, as it's already aired in its entirety in the UK. Great ratings even WITH that - impressive!
re: geekiness
Okay, so you KNOW you're a week when you're on Slashdot, posting to a story mentioning Battlestar Galactica, and instead of 'BSG,' you initially type 'BSD.'
*sigh*
*BSG is _not_ dying!
And, wow, but that's one HELL of a season finale to BSG - nicely-done, and I absolutely cannot WAIT for the next season!
Paramount didn't give a damn about the fans and this is the result. There was a wealth of good stories in the books but those must have had the taint of Not Made Here. Instead of a rich culture of aliens we get cardboard. Instead of interesting story lines we get slapstick. Oh well, garbage can of history time and the little dog too.
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Regaurdless of the quality of the show which is debatable. I think Trek needs to take a rest for a while to build up interest again. Or possibly do mini-series a couple times a year.
Enterprise was OK (not bad...but not really THAT good either).
It's somewhat sad to see Enterprise go. I personally liked the series, although I didn't think much of the Nazis In Space or the time travel trash. But overall, there were some decent, thought provoking episodes in the series. On the other side, I can see that if they're not getting decent ratings, and nobody's really watching it, it probably is time to simply move on to something else. They brought back Next Generation about 15 years ago (1990?), which was a great show, and everyone was very excited to see Star Trek resurrected (I guess sort of the same way we're excited to see Battlestar Galactica resurrected today). Then DS9 came along, which got some decent followers (but still not as much as TNG). So they came out with Voyager, actually while DS9 was still going on. This brought back more fans, but not necessarily the ones that were followers of DS9. So this basically gave you two camps: a) those that like DS9 and b) those that like voyager. By the time voyager ended its 7 year run, the series had pretty much peaked (a long time ago), and things were pretty much maxxed out. So then, along comes Enterprise, with the goal of bringing back all the Star Trek fans once again. Despite a decent opener, and much fanfare/press, it never really, "catches the wave," of the seriously rabid sci-fi/trek fans. The writing is mediocre, they're running out of ideas and trying desperately not to rip off plot ideas from the other shows. So then, to try and stir that pot a bit, they introduce the whole time travel stuff, and then Nazis in Space (wtf?). To top the failure off with an even bigger faux paus, they move the series to Friday night opposite Stargate (and now Battlestar Galactica; which seemingly is just about the last nail in the Trek coffin). Overall, the Star Trek series (from TOS to ENT) were all decent shows, but they've somewhat been running on "borrowed time" these past few years, so it's probably best to give it a rest and take a break for awhile. If, sometime in the future (20-25 years from now), there's a hunger for Star Trek once more, perhaps new writers/producers will have the creativity to give a totally new series with the same "feel" as the originally Trek without beating this horse even further. As for UPN, all I can say about this network is, after Enterprise leaves, this POS is going to go downhill, real quick! It will probably find its way to the same trash heap that G4TechTV (or whatever it's called now) has come to. UPN/Paramount obviously doesn't give a rip about attracting the sci-fi demographic anymore. Just look at their current lineup: * All of Us * America's Next Top Model * Enterprise (until May) * Eve * Girlfriends * Half & Half * Kevin Hill * One on One * Missy Elliot Project * Second Time Around * Veronica Mars * WWE Smackdown! Looks like the network is focused on getting the teeny-bopper, reality TV junkie, african american demographics. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing, but Star Trek Enterprise just doesn't seem to fit well into this mix,... As for me, none of the other shows really appeal much to me, so you can probably bet that I won't be watching UPN after Enterprise. Well, ok, America's Top Model might show might be interesting from a purely visual/sexual point-of-view :-)
Now the show can be reincarnated on the scifi channel and done as a true scifi show instead of the crappy campy pop of the first years.
OK the canceling of Star Trek is complete Bullshit. This was such a expected and cheap move on UPN's side, lets look at the facts ...
... Fridays should be a night for re-runs only.
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1) Nielson Ratings - They are total bullshit, the way those boxes are given out is ridiculous, and the way they sample is crazy. I would put money on it they have a 300 % margin of error.
2) The move to Friday night - This was like saying u die now but we will let it be slow and painful. The core fandom will watch but the people that channel surf will not be home so they will not and ratings are guaranteed to fall, and cancelation is guaranteed. Wonder what brilliant Coporate Exec came up with this
3) Today all we do is market to the majority of morons (AKA the South and Midwest) no offens if u are from these places but most of the uneducated, Brittney Spears music loving, watch TV all day an do nothing with there lives people are from here. THey should not even be included in the tallies as on manhattite probably earns more money in a week that 30 of them in a year put together( ok exaggeration but has some truth to it)
In Closing, I admit Season 2 was not great, but Season 3 was good, and this season rocks. Somone should DDOS the damn UPN site, they deserve it
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I'd like to see Peter David's excellent New Frontier Star Trek book series brought to life on the small screen.
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I also watched the entire series (what a finale... I hope we'll get another season...), thanks to my Brit friends and .torrent... :-)
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Let it go. we need a breather.
Sell Enterprise to Sci Fi. Shake up the writing and directing staff a bit, but keep things on the upward track it is on right now. Work Enterprise into their friday night lineup of Stargate, SG1, and Battlestar Galactica. They will have sole ownership of the sci fi crowd for that period of time. Four hours of solid male 18-45 demographic, advertisers will love that. And all of those programs will end up getting more viewers. Right now, Enterprise is competing with Stargate, and it's still pulling a few million viewers. If it was in a position to feed viewers to more sci fi shows, they'll all benefit.
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seriously.
i assumed this crap had been yanked years ago.
This just goes to show you that when television gets better, less people watch it.
Enterprise has been getting more and more interesting this season, and they choose now to can it.
Morons.
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Is it possible that many geeks are tuning out TV as a medium and moving to books, anime, webcomics, and the 'net?
I consider myself an avid Star Trek junkie. But I don't watch Enterprise. I haven't since the first season when I dropped cable and stopped watching TV entirely. Enterprise could be the best Star Trek ever, and I wouldn't know or care.
...it took on that whole they-attacked-us-we'll-do-whatever-it-takes thinly veiled US-vs-terrorism storyline. My favorite ST was ST:TNG, since it tended to focus on the best of humanity, and ethics etc. I'm not sure if stuff like DS9 upheld that exactly, but one thing's for sure: Enterprise undermined it completely, and I quit watching pretty early on.
Of course, this could only solve Trek's woes if the copyrights on the Star Trek idea have expired and the everyman actually creates good content.
"sweet dreams are made of this..."
I'm not sure what happened but startrek is not drama, it is sci-fi.
If Star Trek is 'sci-fi', it's only because any mildly geek-friendly show set in the future/space/etc is called 'sci fi'. I'm with Arthur C Clarke on this one; it's not sci-fi, it's fantasy.
The 'science' is made up, usually to suit the plot. The 'aliens' are humans; and I mean more in the way they behave than look. Frankly, if we discover real aliens, I'll be surprised if we can relate to them on even a rudimentary level.
Star Trek is fantasy that just happens to have borrowed the clothes of 'true' sci-fi. Star Wars is *definitely* fantasy that just happens to include some sci-fi elements (eg spaceships).
True sci-fi should at least have its roots in a plausible idea; so I'd call Asimov's robot stuff sci-fi, 2001 sci-fi, and so on.
Don't get me wrong; I enjoy some Star Trek (well, TNG mainly, having recently watched a complete season on DVD), but it's fantasy.
And it strikes me as ironic that geeks (myself included) enjoy watching a show that makes up as much stuff as Star Trek does.
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I have seen the entire first season of this show and although it has bad moments, it doesn't come close to the bad moments in ST. Overall, it is simply AWESOME.
I guess at least thousands of fans outside of america are downloading the show every week..
Or does it not count because the commercials do not reach them?
In general, why did Enterprise fail?
*Writing*
Pacing: In many of the early episodes, the pacing of the stories was terrible, often slowing to the point of boredom. Remember the episode where the Ferengi were stealing parts of the Enterprise (yawn)? Or how about "A Night in Sickbay" (yawn^2)?
Continuity: Initially, there were problems with continuity with the ST universe. Many episodes only paid lip service to previous ST material by mentioning it, and then went promptly went nowhere. Only when the ratings began to slip did the producers make an intelligent effort to tie into the old school.
Also, it was cool at the beginning of the series when Enterprise didn't have all of the tech that Picard et. al. were supposed to have. I liked the feeling of a small, weak Earth ship that didn't have all the answers. Bit by bit though, the same level of technology has crept back, to where except for the occasional shuttle pod, the tech is equivalent.
*Stories*
How did that temporal war arc get resolved? Did they make it up as they went along? Why did it seem so clumsy and difficult to follow? How about the Xindi/Star Wars/Death Star arc? Why did it take 4 years to start seeing elements of the ST universe we were yearning for from the start?
*Characters*
Viewers relating to Characters: Did the show ever get the viewers to really care about the characters? Maybe you could care about "Trip", but the rest of the cast could get blown out the airlock, and no one would protest.
Erratic Character Development: Why did so many of the episodes have the cast acting out of character? This was a problem with Voyager too, where each week a character would act differently, and negate or forget their development to that point in the series. Viewers watch the show and think "he wouldn't do or say that".
Crummy casting: Why is Scott Bakula so unbelievable and unconvincing in the role of Archer? Why can't he be taken seriously like Patrick Stewart was? This is an anchoring role for a Star Trek series - you can't miss-cast the role, and then expect the series to succeed. Voyager had problems here too, but I could at least stomach Janeway.
Yes it's easy to criticize the series at this point, but these guys have had 4 years, gazillions of dollars, and a lot of fan input to draw from to get the show right. Time to look elsewhere for sci-fi entertainment.
Parent post is hilarious... AND on topic.
Berman needs to give it up and let someone good give a star trek franchise a shot.
CrapCast (Comcast) doesn't air UPN in my area. I sometimes get to catch a rerun. The show HAS taken a boring turn, but I still like it. Maybe the producers will have a change of heart? Here's hoping!
I don't really follow how Enterprise's production is going, but I wonder if it's possible for them to do something special for the end? Although I think it's too late for a Grand Finale. I'd have to hope they're not going to end on a cliffhanger. But sod's law say it probably will...
;-)
Perhaps they could tack on a voiceover like Doctor Who ended (until this March).
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Anyway, I doubt this'll kill Trek completley, there'll still be repeats, and I'd imagine they'll keep on printing the books as long as people buy them. Doctor Who's original novels only started a couple of years after the series ended, and they managed to carry on going. But I think the series could do with a rest for a while, it might be for the best, even if the series is apparently getting better near the end...
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Look on the bright side, fans... maybe it will get syndicated by the WB for 3 in the morning on tuedays.
Though Trek was about the 22nd to 24th century, it couldn't really break into the 21th century. The fifth series Enterprise struggled from the start.
Seriously, that show sucked balls. Time to put it out of its misery and move on.
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The SciFi channel were typically "this isn't a sure thing, so we're not risking money on it" and Sky stepped in and said they would fund part of the show on the condition that it be shown on Sky One in the UK before anywhere else, and so it was.
It's being something of a roaring success.
No real plot lines, horrid writting, more time travel in enterprise (before the original series where time travel was an accident even) than all the other shows put together. Horrid actors, Scott Bacula couldn't act his way out of a room full of porn stars.
Even our supposed Vulcan has more emotion than Spock who was half human. And I'm talking about BEFORE she was messing around with that triterium or whatever the hell it was. Hell, come to think of it, Vulcans aren't suppose to really have emotions in the first place....why would she "enjoy" a "drug" in the first place?
Basically, the show's fate was sealed WELL before it started it's second season. I'm surprised it even made it through the first season to be quite honest.
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Let's put the results aside for a moment (the show has had some serious issues), and take a look at what could have been.
Enterprise started off with two things going for it: a decent premise, and a good cast. What Star Trek fan isn't interested in how the Federation was started? Or how the war with the Klingons started? How about the formation of the Neutral Zone with the Romulans? Or how about the evolution of technology from rougghly what we know today, to what was available in ST:TOS?
Unfortunately, all of this was an opportunity that was wasted and squandered. Sure, they tried a few episodes dealing with the evolution of technology, but all of them were of the sort where the episode started with "Hey, we need X", and by the end, they had X (for all X in "Phasers", Transporters", etc.)
Part of that was just bad writing, and bad story planning. But then there was the introduction of time travel, which was completely unnecessary, and made the whole thing completely unbelievable. Whomever came up with the "Temporal Cold War" should be summarily fired...out of a canon. Into a pool of sharks. With laser beams on their heads.
Then there is the ship. I'm sure it would make a fine set for any number of sci-fi shows, but not for a Star Trek series that is supposed to take place before TOS. The interiour should look like that of a modern day battleship, and not filled with zinc plates and chrome. Yes, it would have been hard to make the series believable by not having any display terminals (TOS didn't have them, but here in the 2000's we do, so it would be somewhat difficult not to have them), but they should have taken a cue from a modern military warship for interiour design. It would have made the show more believable, and would have added some "grit" for the writers to work with.
The big year-long story arc with the Xindi (sp?) didn't help either. It was hard to just tune into an episode here and there, particularily towardds the end. I was in the middle of nowhere during the first four months of 2004, where TV wasn't really available, and the one time I did get a chance to see part of an episode I couldn't get into it because I had no idea what was going on. I missed the whole resolution of the story arc as well, making the whole season a total write-off for me. I can only imagine what the casual Star Trek watcher would think trying to watch just a few episodes here and there.
I feel bad for the cast, who are now going to be out of jobs after such a short run (but not too bad -- it isn't as if people in the tech industry don't know what it's like to be without a job...:P). There was some good potential for this series, but the people in charge completely munged it. Let's hope they find themselves jobless for a while so they can ponder their grand failure.
Yaz.
When all is said and done, it would have been 39 years, 754 episodes from 6 series (including the Animated one), and 10 films. Literally about a month's worth of 24/7 viewing.
Alot of ups and downs and I'm sure there will be a 40th anniversary special for next year commemorating the franchise, as they have been doing something like that since the 20th anniversary first-time airing of the B & W version of "The Cage" in 1986.
Time to warp off into the sunset...
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These DimWits repeated some episodes at least 3 times, changed the sequence of the episodes and skiped anticipated episodes frequently inorder to cover other events. I am not going to go into each time they did that, but they started killing the show when they moved it to another day of the week.
As I said, DimWits!
For science fiction to succeed away from its own little niche of fans, it needs writers who can develop stories that appeal to a wide audience. After all, a bad science fiction story is, in the end, just another bad story.
They needed to have Scott Bakula be like Kirk (and his old QL character Sam) and make out with the hot chick at some point in every episode. At least try to appeal to the whole male demographic than to the "grr, I'll try to watch this crappy show no matter what" geek-set.
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Gee it wouldn't be because (like StarGate and 90% of Nintendo titles on the N64 and up) some marketing jackass thought that stamping the Star Trek "brand" on what would be otherwise called "Generic Spaceship Show" (think Andromeda or one of those) would be successful because nobody would notice...right?!?
But I guess i'm in the minority. Didn't Battlestar Gallatica get a lower viewership than enterprise last weekend?
"Thanks to the remote control I have the attention span of a gerbil."
I'm middle age and hate everything (and hated the original version), but the new Battlestar Galactica actually makes me want to shell out dollars for an official t-shirt. It's the best new SF show I've seen in years.
I also have liked this season of Enterprise quite a bit. Too bad it didn't come along two years ago, before the stupid timewarp war.
I love the Andoorians. Shram should have his own series.
Every time a thread like this comes up I see a lot of insightful, well thought out reasons on what happened in the past and why what is happening now is good/bad.
This is why most people here are clearly overqualified to ever be a TV executive.
Really, I know what I'm doing...Ohhhh, look at the shiny buttons!
Too bad I can't help with the campaign, I've already given all my money to BetamaxFans.com.
Enterprise managed to be a Star Trek television series without being a Star Trek television series. The music was awful, the acting was mediocre at best, and it simply didn't feel like Star Trek.
This happens a lot. The new Battlestar Galactica doesn't feel like Battlestar Galactica (not that this is a bad thing: I hated the original series), and I'm terrified that the forthcoming new Dr. Who series won't feel like Dr. Who, but rather some tepid re-imagining.
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I'm feeling pretty pessimistic about this but if your interested here is the address to send your "Please Don't Cancel the Show" Letters :
Mr. Leslie Moonves
Co-President, Co-Chief Operating Officer
Viacom International, Inc.
c/o CBS Television City
7800 Beverly Blvd
Los Angeles, CA 90036-2112
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> The show's fate was probably sealed when last
:rollseyes
> Friday's episode reached only 2.5 million
> viewers
I am a diehard Star Trek fan. Here's all you need to know: Oh, is that the day it was on lately?
It's Wednesday night, I go to the listings for UPN at 8 and 9, no Star Trek. Strange, I haven't seen it in awhile. I wonder why it's not on?
I repeat, "Oh, it's on Friday."
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I'm getting really tired of the "Berman Formula": When ratings are down, start a war. You saw the inception in TNG, solidification in DS9 and the "help save my series" portion in Enterprise. It would make a good game, but not a series.
How on earth do you "force [a] show into people"?
UPN will replace Enterprise with a crappier show that will have crappy writing and crappy ratings.
Then, in typical Corporate American mode, they will advertise the hell out of it because they think advertising matters more than quality. And, these days, it does.
Is this a sigs-optional kind of place? 'Cause I am totally down with that if you know what I mean.
Noooooooooooooo! It cannot be cancelled! Not before Hoshi and T'silicone have their lesbian saliva-string kiss!
DAMNIT! Who's with me, fellas?!?!?
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StarTrek TOS, ended in mid 60's. Then movies started in early 80's. Then there was an explosion - all at once we had Startrek TNG, Voyager, DS9, and movies from the TOS and TNG. One startrek thing right on top of the other.
Now. . . nothing, no movies, no series.
What happend? Did everybody just get sick of it? Was it exploited until it was ruined? Or was it always cr@p?
...I'm commenting on star wars continuity...
Per your first comment, I will remind you that the later films were during a huge civil war... you'd expect the galaxy to get pretty banged up in the process.
"Faith: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel." - A.B.
It had better not end with a cliffhanger.
>really say is 'farewell'.
But it said 2.5 million viewers--which is about the number of households that actually gets UPN, isn't it???
hawk
. . . they hired a writer with a life :)
hawk
IMHO there are oly 2 ingredients needed for a good ST show
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A) get interesting characters, develop those
+) Sisko, Archer, Picard, Seven, Phlox, Quark, T'Pol, Worf, Tom Paris, Jadzia Dax, T'Pol, Trip, Data,
-) Neelix, Beverly Crusher, Katherine Pulaski, Lwaxana Troi,
B) get a thrilling and CONSISTENT(!!!) storyline
DON'T USE
- time travel
- it's just a dream
- parallel universe
because it tells me "uh uh - we messed up the plot and need to rewind" - those episodes simply suck
Ranking:
#1) DS9 - no questions asked - my #1
- interesting characters and good character development
- storyline is interesting an mostly consistent
- nice "side stories"
- the "tribbles" episode was a soo funny (though it violated rule B)
#2) Enterprise (first 3 seasons - hoping for more to ait here soon)
- characters are good and promise more fun and development
- storyline has promising ideas, but lacks a strong idea and continuty. constantly violating rule 2 ( time travel sucks
#3) TNG
- weak storyline - with exception of the "Borg" episodes
- strong and weak characters
#4) Voyager
- "we need to get home" is no storyline, sorry
- some nice side stories
- not enough strong and interesting characters
#5) Star Trek
Just too old to remember
I would like to make a p2p with adversting to allow the show to contunue over the internet. Viewed and payed for by internet viewers.
Anyone interested in this and would like start some sort of organization to do this please let me know. I have the tech part all worked out...
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John L. Sokol
I am always doing that which I can not do, in order that I may learn how to do it. - Pablo Picasso
Here's some food for thought: can anyone name a "good" Paramount film or series in recent years? What happened to syndicated TNG? What happened to the old Trek films, or Beverly Hills Cop, or even Beavis & Butthead (remember, "Picard" liked it too)? Why did Nemesis bomb, when it really wasn't as bad as Trek V? I haven't seen "Deep Impact," but saw "The Core:" did anyone see both?
Basically, there seems to have been a large marketing of failure at Paramount. Tie series to UPN, whose affliates share with Fox or pre-empt for sports events? Put movies out in December to compete with "big events," instead of waiting a month when it'd be #1? When you advertise an episode of Trek, make it about sex most of the time, even when it has nothing to do with the story? Where's the sci-fi in their sci-fi?
What we are seeing is a revamp of Paramount, and they consider Trek a part of the problem, not the solution. It should be the other way around: however, it is the last vestige of an experiment, and probably should be put to rest while they clean house. Let us hope there is more Trek one of these days, and preferably syndicated, if not on Sci-Fi or some other network.
Life is irony, and nothing ever goes as planned.
To save a TV show? A Star Trek tv show? How about raising money for HIV/AIDS, tsunami victims, curing cancer? *Anything* useful? But a freaking tv show?
This is left as an exercise for the reader.
You should. It's great!
I notice some of the comments here lean towards, "the show sucked, it should end." Then don't watch it! And some people didn't, and that's (sadly) why it's ending. But you forget, what's going in this timeslot? Probably NOTHING. So who wins? NO ONE.
...do we actually have to wear red shirts? Red isn't my colour, and besides, I'm a bit superstitious.
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Does that number include all of the people that "tivo" the show, I have not watched it since it was on Wed night. Now I watch it when I want to. But seriously, what show does do good in the ratings on a fri/sat night?
Kate Mulgrew (sp?), that little skank.
I remember one season when five times she tried to auto-destruct Voyager to save maybe a single person's life. Ugh. She should have died, not been promoted (I can't believe she's an admiral as per the most recent ST movies).
I had but a simple dream, to destroy all humans.
I read about the rumours that Enterprise might be canceled; and i thought "Well, i have to admit that there were some weak episodes, but really, why should it be cancelled?". Well, after watching last week's ep, i *knew* it was going to be cancelled.
In short: Fuck the writers.
Fuck them, they fucking killed it. The acting was solid, the character design was solid, the special effects were solid, the fucking writers killed it to death.
FUCK 'EM! Fuckers.
thank god that pos is off the air
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I wonder what the data that TiVo collects would show in terms of Enterprise's viewership? It's often been said that the Nielsen ratings are archaic and outmoded in todays world of DVRs and the like. Whether you think it's a good show or not, the viewers MAY be out there. Perhaps UPN just isn't looking in all the right places...
2.5 million viewers is more than enough to support a subscription model for the show (that's less than 20c per viewer). And remember, we're ignoring the rest of the world in that equation. StarTrek actually has a history of fans joining together to fund it. Vast numbers of people are already downloading Enterprise off the net, if only Paramount would legitimize the activity and use the subscriptions to fund the development.
How we know is more important than what we know.
Did anyone else notice that the Ed. referred to Nelson instead of Nielson in the "Dept" tag? : ) Who the h*** is Nelson?
You obviously haven't seen Spock's Brain. Watching it was like being violated... somehow.
Under the originnal UK 1710 Statute of Anne , the model for modern copyright laws, much of TNG would already be in the public domain (14 years + 14 if the author was alive at the end of the first term). The US rule was similar from 1790 onward, until 1909, when each term was doubled.
In '76, the term went to death + 50, which would mean that people who remembered TOS would, by in large, not live to see it enter the public domain.
The Bono act of '98 extended copyright to death + 70, or in some cases 95 years. Under the act the public domain will not receive any new works until 2019, and of course the entire Roddenberry ouvre will remain in private hands until after everyone who is reading this (I mean you) is dead.
Bringing the topic back to Star Trek, I leave you with a quote from Lord Macaulay, from a speech given to Parliament in 1841 opposing the extension of copyrights from the Rule of Anne term:
Which is fitting to this case. The franchise died because it was kept in private hands who tried to milk it for cash, instead of going to its natural conclusion, entering the public commons where it could ignite new creativity and competition.
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...at least I think that was it...
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his name is.
I remember watching the first episode of this fiasco. I was scraping carpet glue off the terazzo on my living room floor. The first episode *should* have grabbed my attention, but all I could think was, "When will Dean Stockwell show up and zap 'Archer' out of this mess and into another mediocre television pilot."
TRIPE. This whole show was tripe. I watched TNG, DS9, and suffered through the semi-miserable Voyager, and for the most part, was able to keep my stomach in one piece. Enterprise, however, no bloody way.
Weak acting, WEAK. Horrible writing, just awful. Bad, bad stuff.
Gods have mercy, I watch TNG & DS9 on Spike every day, and even their worst episodes trump the best of "Enterprise", of which I have seen perhaps 10.
The show is so bad, it makes me sick, just plain sick.
Troll me, I don't care, I have karma to burn.
I rather liked Enterprise's ramdom excusrions away from ST canon (ok, I've only seen about 5 episodes, but still...)
Divergent histories are inevitable once time travel is discovered - and we've seen that it is pretty easily available to the Federation, the Borg, and others. Once the principle is discovered, the whole universe is doomed to a morass of revised histories, expeditions into the past to prevent other expeditions into the past, leakage of technology across time, etc, etc. There will always be someone going back to prevent some other guy from doing what he went back to do. This is just the sort of thing the Campaign for Real Time was founded to prevent.
The final episode ought to be a realizaition of this hopeless muddle of timelines and historical corruption - Riker, Kirk, and a few other far future Federation bigwigs come back, The Five Doctors style, to help Archer pinpoint the origin of their wildly disconnected universe and try to set things right. They eventually find the trouble all began with a young writer in the mid 20th century, trying hard to get a new concept TV show on the air. His name is Gene....
No, its not the plot discontinuity that bugs me. Its the fact that the writing, is lousy, the scientific concepts are stupid, the social critique is sophmoric at best, and the philosphy is untenable even across one episode. My suspension of disbelief gets visciously attacked on all sides, and usually gives up about 10 minutes in. But then, the whole franchise has that problem.
I liked enterprize at first. The timeline however has taken hit as well as the content on former shows questioned. It was made to make more money yes, however it lacked in a lot of original ideals. It was a show that crossed boundaries as well as ment for entertainment not profit. I hope if there is a new show, they make some serious thought to who is producing and creating all the content.
I'm sorry,But voyager was better.At least until they got jeri ryan and made EVERY OTHER episode about 7 of 9.I think the writers stop giving a crap after about the second season.And PLEASE don't give bergman and bragga(don't know if the spellings right,sorry)ANOTHER star trek show to ruin.Half the enterprise eps I saw felt like rehashed voyager eps.They did their best,Now it's time for some fresh blood.
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
I liked Enterprise, especially this season.
:-/
sniff sniff...
Why don't they just do it syndicated, or offer it to the Sci Fi network?
I'm sure some one is willing to put money behind a Star Trek franchise.
UPN is a crap network received by only large markets.
I don't mean to be one of those "don't cancel my favourite show's" kind of 'tools' (it is TV folks, the world will go on)...but the reality is that Star Trek: Enterprise has been an excellently written, well done show (My wife even likes it...). It's biggest fault is that it has been delivered on a bad network with limited coverage and nothing but Black-sploitation and re-runs of (mastly bad) cancelled sitcoms.
The reality is that Enterprise was probably UPN's highest budget show (That's not saying much: Teletubbies probably costs more to produce than the rest of their entire line-up). They're not getting the viewers becuase nobody would consider watching UPN just to "see what's out there" because the "first run" shows they offer are terrible.
The death of Star Trek: Enterprise will likely signal an end to UPN as a whole. Maybe I'm alone here, but I have doubts that they get 2.5 million viewers for any other show.
I liked Voyager best because of 7 of 9's giant tits. She also had the nicest ass anyone has ever seen. When I sit here watching the DVD of the show, I like to freeze-frame certain scenes, like the one where she is walking down the corridor with that little kid. The camera just pretty openly follows her wiggling butt all through the hallway. It is truly a work of art. Say what you will, but B&B really knew what they were doing then! No wonder one of them was tapping that pussy, who wouldn't?
Of course pretty soon I just have to whip out my dong and start masturbating to her image. One hand on the shaft and the other on my balls, no I can't help it robowhore makes me so hard!! In my fantasy she has partially assimilated me and my shaft is huge and silver and my balls are as big as grapefruit. She is on all fours, the perfect spheres of her rump beckoning to me to cum and buttfuck her to complete the process:
7 OF 9: "You will perform anal sex upon me Drone BUFU269. You will pump my derriere full of your Borgified cum and the force of the orgasm will convert you to Borg forever!"
BUFU269: "Yes Seven of Nine Tertiary Adjunct to Unimatrix Zero One."
Helplessly I slide my big, hard erect cock up her tight asshole, filling her with my girth. Then I lean forward to manipulate her tits while we FUCK and FUCK and FUCK and FUCK until we CUM thunderously together and I drain my balls up her behind. At this point I have to clean off the screen of my TV. Enterprise - Jolene is hot but she just doesn't have the kind of effect on my peener that Jeri Ryan does.
O.K., so many people have opinions about the quality of the show, or the quality of the cast performances, or the continuity, etc. but that's not what really caused Enterprise to be canceled, it was greed. Greed on the part of the producers, the distibution networks, the cable companies, etc. Whatever the show may be, if you change it's showtime and date, constantly show repeats when it's still too young for that, only make 20 or so new episodes in a year that has 52 weeks, and interrupt the audience every 5 minutes with a dozen repetitive commercials, then the audience is going to loose interest. After all, the show can be complete crap but if it's always there at the same time and day, with a new episode, and with fewer commercials than the other flotsam on television, then people will still watch it!
- James
Sure, it has the oft-discussed cachet of exploration, learning, adventure, honor, etc., but at its core, Trek is a playground. Up until now, the people we've seen playing on this playground have all been stodgy, uptight Starfleet shemps, with the exception of some offensive charicatures (Neelix, Phlox, Quark); even the dicy idea of throwing some terrorists onto a crew of said Starfleet stuffed shirts (Voyager) didn't materialize: the terrorists became carbon copy stuffed shirts themselves. New players on the playground: the bad kids, the ones who punch and pull hair, the ones who get detentions and suspensions. There are outcasts and bullies and punks and shy kids all over the place, but Trek has either ignored them or forced them to conform to a soft and mushy conceit that looks downright silly and naive in the modern era. You can use the same play equipment. You just need some interesting people swinging on the monkey bars.
Think about this:
...AND I MEAN EVER...
What pays for TV shows, except for ADVERTISING? I don't think that I've EVER...
watched an episode of ENTERPRISE that wasn't on REPLAY (Yes, I pity you TIVO'ers...have fun with your commercials as you FF).
Yes, that means skipping the retarded intro song and EVERY SINGLE COMMERCIAL.
If I miss an episode (Replay misses it or I forgot to tell it to record that show) I usually download it or have REPLAY catch the rerun a few days later.
NEVER watch commercials.
NOW...I'm sure that I'm not unique in not wanting to be FORCE-FED Tide, Downy, and whatever other crappy commercials they may put between breaks. Take this logic, and apply it to the typical view-base that watched Star-Trek:
(yes, this is a little bit of a stereotype, but I'll bet it's really really close)
Smart people, thinking people, technical people, usually people that are into computers.
This person is SURE to have a Replay or a TIVO. What this means is....nobody is watching the commericials that air when Enterprise is on.
So, for times like this, maybe we need to get ther show to try to think of a new way to make $$$ with this show.
Something to chew on. Now, let the flames begin.
Don't let SciFi pick it up!
I drank what? -- Socrates
It didn't work for Angel, Firefly, or Farscape (yes, Firefly's getting a movie, and Farscape had/will have a miniseries to wrap things up. But fan support didn't keep the show on the air).
Hell, Angel was the WB's second highest rated show when it was cancelled.
Enterprise is doomed.
It seems that every trecky (and even some non-treckies) have their pet-hate show in the series. For most it's DS9 or Voy, but for me, it's Enterprise. From the very beginning it simply seemed tainted to me with bad continuity. Like it just sat there and laughed at the rest of the ST universe.
DS9 felt grand with it's Dominion war, and I enjoyed Voy simply for the exploration factor, something that had been lacking in ST since, well, TOS. But Enterprise just took all that and threw it out of the window. It was like it never happened for the franchise.
Do you see what I did there?
Well its sad the franchise did finally puke out, but hey thats what you get from a company thats bound and determined to milk a dead cow to its final dripping drop!
Does anyone know if BSG is going to be renewed for another season? It finished in a very "could be another season, could not be" way, but I really, really, really want to see another season
Oh, and I'm in America, but you British sure are nice and willing to share (read: bittorrent) minutes after it's done there.
Here's a frank appraisal of each series (minus TOS), and a ranking:
TNG - This seemed to be everyone's favorite, likely because it was the first, and Picard was bloody brilliant. Hands down the best character. The show would have been unbearable otherwise. Riker had his moments, and a few Data episodes were okay, but on the whole an episode without enough Picard was a bad episode. 8/10
DS9 - I as skeptical of this series, but it became to be a truly amazing show. Overall the characters were better than those on DS9 (although no one will ever top Picard); particularly Odo, Garick, Martak, Goyron, and Weyoun. I didn't find myself cringing at any of the characters, save some completly bizarre Ferengi episodes. Massively long continual story arcs kept you intrigued throughout the entire series. Overall the plots were just better than TNG. 10/10
Voyager - Oh God. This was the bottom of the barrel. Yes, worse than Enterprise I'm afraid. I wish I kept a running tally of how many times Janeway said "I understand that blank blank blank, BUT blank blank". Ugh. She wasn't a captain, she was a Mom. No characters were worth seeing except the holographic Doctor, and they dwindled on him too much at times even. Truly atrocious series I was glad to finish. I can recall 2-3 good episodes. 2/10
Enterprise - Probably got the worse rap out of any of the series. The stupid intro song, the prequel thing, and the idiotic cheap leg shots of T'pol put most everyone off. However it did improve as the series went on. Malcolm ("armory" office) got a little more interesting, and Trip's accent became less annoying. Archer finally started making some tough decisions (jacking an innocent ship's warp drive), but it was too little too late to really save the series from termination. The Xindi story arc was intriguing, but it took them 2 seasons to get to it. 4/10
It should be noted that Every one of these series started off very badly, even TNG and DS9. I don't know why Star Trek needs the obligatory 1 or 2 seasons to get going but that's certainly the trend. And yes, I need to get out more.
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I set my VCR and digital cable box to watch/record the slot WEEKLY. For a number of weeks in a row, I've missed the show because they jerk around the programming..
:P
Sure.. Battlestar Galactica pushes it up..
Sure.. Stargate pushes it back..
If we don't know when to watch it, of course the ratings will suck.
They could have saved the show by reformatting it into a sit-com. With a laugh track. It would excuse all sorts of bad writing and such. Somehow the dog could have gained the ability to speak and make snide comments. Every week the Vulcans would learn a "very important lesson" from the humans. Col. Klinck from Hogan's Heros could be one of the Nazis. It would be a laugh riot.
Or vampires. Vampires might have helped to boost ratings.
It's about time. This has been the only Trek series to bore the heck out of me! Seriously, it's by far the worse. I'm a big Trek fan, yet most weeks I can't bring myself to watch the show. They really screwed up with this show! Let's hope they come up with a better Trek series soon!
I stopped watching for two reasons:
1. Temporal Cold War. The dumbest idea ever. Just because we are doing a Star Trek show set in the past (relatively) doesn't mean we need to create an artificial plot device to drag the future into it.
2. T'Pol having sex. As much as she is a hottie, what is the point of having a Vulcan on board who doesn't act like one?
After the 15th temporal cold war episode where T'Pol is falling in love with whats-his-face I just turned it off and never watched another episode again.
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When they had Vulcan desert insurgents fighting, I thought, you guys are getting too clever, they will get you. (I also wondered where T'Pau's thick accent disappeared to.)
Original Trek played against the background of Viet Nam and a tidal wave of social change. This season Enterprise started to come around to that and tweaked some present day noses. In today's rat-out-your-neighbor-to-Homeland-Security-for-not -being -patriotic-enough climate, there was no way this could go on, could it?
Look, one of the central tenets of Star Trek is that humanity stops warring amongst itself, forms a world government and then heads out to the stars. In an ideal world, Enterprise could have shown some of that process in action using the example of how the Federation came into being as a model for how we can do it ourselves and bring all these disparate nations together to form a peaceful whole.
In this real world, I'm afraid that the forces of darkness are winning. Any notion of a peaceful world government is considered (at best) traitorous liberal propaganda. A substantial portion of the population of the US believes that the end of the world is real close and (incredibly) that this is a good thing since it means Jesus will be here soon. Selfless acts and working for the betterment of all rather than just your own clan is considered a sign of weakness, not strength. Honor has no value. Science and education have no value. Only money and power are worth anything to us and only blind obedience and unquestioning patriotism is worth anything to our leaders.
We need all the idealistic dreams and heroes that we can get now because this century is going to be getting worse before (if) it gets any better. Progress is not a new feature for your cell phone, it is the march of humans from our barbarous past to a better future. At its best, that is the heart and soul of Star Trek and that is what we all need so very very badly right now.
Anad thank all that is right and proper!
Look folks I've been a life long Sci-Fi fan (40+ years), I watched the original series back when I was a kid and enjoyed it, I even enjoyed the occasional bits of the later series (and unlike some of you I actually liked Voyager more then STNG) but it's just a frigging story. It was shmalty and hammy from the get go, it's plots were trivial, it's viewpoints simplistic, it's characters were stock space opera to the core. And almost all of the later series were just screwy. I vote with Harlan Ellison on this one, Dr. Who was vastly superior.
Want to see GOOD Sci-Fi, watch Babylon 5.
Or better yet READ a good book. I suggest anything by Lois McMaster Bujold, Robert Heinlein, or Issac Asimov. Try the Well World books by Jack Chalker, or the first five Honor Harrington books.
But no more of that overhyped, overrated dinosaur called Star Trek. I'm glad it's done
Stick a fork in it and call it cornpone, bury that suckers head at a crossroads, with holy wafers in it's mouth and burn the body with stake still driven through it's heart.
Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty Free at last!
Maybe now we can concentrate on geting some GOOD Scifi on TV.
Then would then announce that Enterprise would be shown on Saturday at 8 PM. And when you would turn on the TV Saturday at 8:00 There would be no Enterprise, because they would actually Air the show at 6:30 or 7:00 PM Saturday instead. Very Aggravating.
I was planning on getting an antenna and a PVR. Now I just think I'll cancel the cable.
I like the Enterprise characters and actors better than all of the others. But the PLOTS were MISERABLE. Nazis & Time travel, give me a break. The Plots should be about the people, emotions and their lives while accurately integrating into the future as we know it will be.
Any viewers that the bad plots didn't take out the Inept Broadcaster did. And then they wonder why people use P2P to get their TV shows.
RS
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It will almost be sad to see you go...
Back to watching the SciFi Channel, reruns of Stargate are on.
"It is our blasphemy which has made us great, and will sustain us, and which the gods secretly admire in us." - Zelazny
Of course it's going to be cancelled, Galactica on Sci-Fi and the rest of the Sci-Fi Friday is getting as good or better ratings than it is, and I believe that UPN has a wider distribution than Sci-Fi does. I've read that Galactica had a 2.5 rating last week, which is higher than the week before. It's weird seeing Galactica succeed and a Trek franchise fail, but Galactica is just That Damn Good. You Galactica haters can scoff now, but wait until the last few episodes, Galactica gets very good. On par with Babylon 5 at its prime, I'd say.
I haven't seen Enterprise yet on an tv station I can get. I did see two episodes on a station once, but they didn't keep showing it...
Nazis and time travel, wasn't that Galactica 1980?
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There really needs to be some changeups made at SciFi's upper level. I mean, why are they dumping money into worthless made-for-TV-movies like "Chubacabra"? Or a movie about giant larva invading a town? Gimme a friggin break. This is worth showing 24/7, yet Farscape isn't worth funding, nor is Battlestar Galactica?
I bet if you looked at all of SciFi's programming, it's 90% _not_ Sci-Fi!
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I personally liked Voyager. It was really one of the more "human" storylines. Out of all the series I think Voyage was the most complete of the series. It had some sci-fi, some historical presence and even some romance. Now most of the fandom of the Trek group could careless about this. Give the characters guns and a tricorder and voila, you've garnered a quarter of the fans. Oh I forgot you must blow something up.
TNG was good because of Patrick Stewart. He brought a "royal" dignity to the franchise that wasnt there. I'm really not a fan of Johnathan Frakes. I liked his character more when Picard was constantly mentoring him in TNG. Maybe its the Frakes factor... Furthermore they balanced the characters extremely well in the TNG series. Ethnically, technically and socially. In later years attempts to create another Data was clearly seen in Odo and other characters.
If I were to direct or write for them I'd make a Federation ship commanded by a robot or a cyborg. Piting logic and sacrifice continually. Questioning morality and humility. Or.. Create a series of Federation vingnettes where there is no ongoing story but a myriad of concepts with mixed storylines.
Good to see that the trek people will be also be deprived as B5 fans are now.
Why mess with the space ... watch Buffy !
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I've been a Star Trek fan my entire life. I'm 26 now, and I got into it with TNG when it first aired (and I was mega young). I loved TNG, and DS9 and Voyager were good and had their moments.
I absolutely *love* Enterprise, even more than NextGen. I've watched every episode as they aired, and while there are a few stinkers (as with any show, but not many), I've really enjoyed it. I'm a big fan of series continuity, so season 3 being basically one big long 20 hour movie was one of my most enjoyable television watching experiences.
It sucks that Enterprise is getting cancelled. I really love that little gem of a show.
-- Jinsaku
I only saw a couple of episodes a few years ago on a trip to the US and I have to say, I was not impressed in the slightest. I remember hating the theme song and finding the episodes quite frankly boring.
I think it had only just launched so they were season one episodes and so perhaps it improved over time, but I left the US with no motivation to watch any more... and didn't.
I'm hardly a ST fan, but man, that series blew everything else out of the water. It had everything people here have been clamoring about: deep (very deep) character development, HUGE plot arc
As another poster said, try B5. JMS had the whole arcs planned out from the beginning. The last few seasons of DS9 seemed to fall into the same hole that the Spider-Man clone debacle that Marvel had a few years back. For those of you who didn't read Spider-Man at the time, the reader's digest version basically went like this:
Five years ago, Marvel time, somebody made a clone of Spider-Man. Said clone was dumped down a chimney, and thought to be destroyed. However, the clone shows up all of a sudden, wearing a different costume, and sales go up. The editors decided they had a good thing on their hands, and dragged out the story AS LONG AS THEY COULD. This, combined with the fact that you had to buy 4 books a month to keep up with the story, killed sales, made the whole clone deal a legendary bad story, and drove the charachter into the ground into such an extent that it's still recovering today.
The same situation seemed to happen on DS9. Berman seemed to think he had a good thing with the Dominion and he did - so he drug the same basic arc out 2 seasons past its prime. They would have a big battle on the show about every three weeks, but nothing would change, nothing would be resolved. And the charachter relations more and more seemed to resemble a soap opera (Odo and Kira, anyone?).
DS9 sucked the first two seasons, got its footing in season 3, and seasons 4 and 5 rocked. But after that the show returned to suckiness, unfortunatly. As I was discussion with another poster, they should hire JMS of B5 fame and Joss Weadon of Buffy, two guys who know how to do plots, story arcs and charachters.
The problem is that cancelling is because of ratings...more so than any other problems you pointed out.
Bit Torrent kills ANY shows ratings. I got turned off by the Xindi arc...because it reminded me too much of 9/11 and crap.
So my friend downloaded all the episodes...lo and behold I watched the entire arc in a couple sittings.
Since the show arcs kinda sucked...I did not watch on broadcast television...I watched at my own pace when I was bored...and I started liking the show.
Bit torrent killed the ratings. Suprnova always had about 2500 seeds (I was told) and thousands of peers downloading the show.
Ratings were not really ever a problem...UPN is just looking at the wrong sources...get with the times and realize fans paying $5.00 per episode will generate enough money (iTunes...) to keep the show running forever.
I'm rambling...but I have a good points. Discuss.
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The problem is that cancelling is because of ratings...more so than any other problems you pointed out.
Bit Torrent kills ANY shows ratings. I got turned off by the Xindi arc...because it reminded me too much of 9/11 and crap.
So my friend downloaded all the episodes...lo and behold I watched the entire arc in a couple sittings.
Since the show arcs kinda sucked...I did not watch on broadcast television...I watched at my own pace when I was bored...and I started liking the show.
Bit torrent killed the ratings. Suprnova always had about 2500 seeds (I was told) and thousands of peers downloading the show.
Ratings were not really ever a problem...UPN is just looking at the wrong sources...get with the times and realize fans paying $5.00 per episode will generate enough money (iTunes...) to keep the show running forever.
I'm rambling...but I have a good points. Discuss.
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this is a repost from a comment that is in another thread, but I believe it needs discussion. Nobody EVER talks about torrents and their effect on shows.
Life is like pants... fit in or you don't fit in.
Emory: Isn't that the Starga
Oglethorpe: NO! It is the FARGATE! It is not some other kind of gate from a movie or TV show that I've never seen! Notice that it has a wheelchair and a pink mohawk? We're not getting sued!
Emory: But it
Oglethorpe: No, it is a Fargate! From the makers of Thindependence Day!
I caught up on all four eps on my Tivo (missed "33" but it will record that later this week) and I agree, it's great -- but why is it they can't seem to afford a Steadicam mount to do something about the annoying we-filmed-with-a-handheld constantly-moving camera?
However, I was quite amused to notice that one of the ships in the feature film had a space shuttle flight deck in it. Complete with the hexadecimal keypad used to talk to the GPCs.
i am a soviet space shuttle
Actually, a level of incoherence of the "science" involved in Trekkie technics cancels it aspirations to be SCI-fi.
Or maybe they're from the parallel universe? Laser beams visible in space, FTL with preservation of causality and general relativity, completely naive view of human psychology, most aliens are humanoid...
If you're into science-fiction, better check "Culture" series http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Culture by Iain M. Banks. or for real hard sci-fi, Orion's Arm http://orionsarm.com/
Star Trek belongs to the techno-fantasy genre, not sci-fi.
As the possibility of getting this message to David Stapf of Paramount is incredibly slim, I wanted to get some feedback and support for the following idea. -=-=-= Letter to David Stapf -=-=-= David, You have an incredible opportunity with the Enterprise television show to increase viewership, publicity, and build upon the foundation of the show through the use of internet technology. Using Bittorrent to distribute Star Trek will speak directly to the technically oriented fans that value Star Trek. But, this isn't about giving away a valuable show, this is about seizing an unbelievable distribution method and boldly going where no television production company has dared to go. Using bittorrent you can release official versions of the Star Trek show with built in commercials. How do you prevent users from editing out the commercials as Tivo does? A simple solution would be to put operational scenes in an overlaid box as the commercials run. This would allow commercials to run and reward viewers for watching them by providing interesting operational aspects of the Enterprise ship and its crew. This also in no way takes away from future DVD sales since the benefits of a DVD go well beyond the TV show itself. I ask that you seize this unique moment in a ratings slump and use the technology that is readily available to reward the Enterprise fans with a new viewing option and to bolster the viewership of an outstanding show. Sincerely, Sean R Smith www.seanrsmith.com
>I got turned off by the Xindi arc...because it
>reminded me too much of 9/11 and crap.
This is exactly what I got called a nutcase for talking about on here a few weeks back. Part of the reason why Enterprise sucked to the degree that it did for some of us was because real-world politics *didn't* get left out of it. The stuff about Trip Tucker attempting to educate T'Pol in his own allegedly superior, brain-dead Texan behaviour patterns and attitudes was particularly obscene to my mind...as was the indignity of having Scot Bakula, someone who was once a reasonably celebrated actor, playing the character of a thoroughly obnoxious, gung-ho redneck who generally needed things explained to him three or four times in order for him to understand them. (The mind boggles as to where the writers could have found inspiration for such a character. Hint:- Think of the White House)
Trek being creatively barren because of Berman and Braga's personal wells having run dry I can tolerate...Trek on the other hand being converted into the Confederacy Propaganda Hour on the other hand is completely beyond the pale. What is especially ironic about this is the fact that racism in any form is completely the opposite of what Trek originally stood for.
Enterprise has needed to end ever since it first began to air...and I'm glad it now has. Being creatively barren as I said is bad enough...but being xenophobic and ethnocentric is far worse.
Thids show needed to end. I have been a long time fan of Star Trek and it has been greatley insulting to watch the series be ran into the ground. Voyager started it and this show tried to finish it. I hope I do not see anything Star Trek for atleast a good 5 years. Lets let the wounds heal and the creatve juice rebplenish themselves.
thats a lot of sites to slashdot! ;P
How many Enterprise episodes were rehashed from Voy,DS9,TNG,TOS , other SF movies? Has anyone done the work of listing their plot robbery?
Let me start:
305 'Impulse'
Zombie-like Vulcans == 'Event Horizon'
The producers went into the show without having any idea what their epic story is. Instead they went from episode to episode *making shit up*. Xindi/Temporal War is a big pile, because we know that in the end the plot will land back at square one.
What they should be doing is telling a story on the begining of the Federation, which is known and already written down. That's not hard, good history movies are being produced all the time and noone is complaining that we know how the story ends.
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I considered myself a rabid ST fan, to the point of arguing in favor of it in light of other ST shows as B5. I stopped watching ST:DS9 right before the series finale (when Jadzia Daz was killed and replaced by Ezri Dax). Not out of boredom, but my local cable carrier stopped having that particular channel (it was either WB11 from NY or another one from Chicago). Then Paramount put VOY on UPN which my local cable company does not have to this day. Then Enterprise. So, I haven't really sat down to watch a single Enterprise (or VOY for that matter) episode. I did see Broken Bow on BitTorrent and it was roughly interesting.
I really haven't ruled out ST yet. It just needs some refreshing and new management. Brannon and Braga are really killing the franchise. There needs to be a shake up in order for ST to survive into the 21st. century (heh). I mean, if you grab a couple of ST books (Federation by the reeves-stevens, and even *gasp* those written by Mr.Shatner himself) are very interesting. I've been told that the book that the actor that plays Garak wrote is excellent. ST management needs to tap into that creative stream of people. i'm pretty sure that they'll find very interesting stories.
also, i would not encase a series just in a ship, or a station for that matter. or the same people. at least for me that was a great weakness of all the sT shows. the federation does not revolve around a single ship, or a single station.
get to it. i expect a new ST show in at least 3 years. in the meantime, we'll have to conform to reruns.
the future is but past forgotten
Some nice ideas about in there about pooling resources between TV / film production, but it wouldn't fly for a couple of reasons.
Unions - I'm pretty damn sure film crews get different rates from TV crews, they may even have to belong to different unions, I'm not sure. But either way it wouldn't fly.
Makeup / Sets - I remember a very informative interview with Jonathon Frakes about the challenges of bringing the Borg to the big screen in ST:FC he said they basically had to redesign the Borg in order to make them look good on the big screen. It's a good point. You can cut corners and blur some details when your target audience will most likely be watching on (at best) a 42inch screen, and more probably nothing bigger than 32 inches, but you need to pay attention to detail for cinema viewing.
I suppose you *could* just go ahead and record everything to film / movie standards anyways but that would really push up the already expensive costs of the show.
was the worst thing to happen to Star Trek.
I can (almost) accept Enterprise being canceled. Perhaps it IS time for Star Trek to take a break. But what a waste to end it this way. 98 total hours instead of an even 100. Having to end with a one-hour show instead of a two-hour finale. Reworking an existing script into some type of satisfying last adventure of the series (maybe the last Star Trek episode ever).
How about putting back those two hours that were taken away earlier in the season? The 98 hours of Enterprise come from 26+26+24+22=98 over the course of four seasons. The last two hours can be shot immediately after the already planned 22 episodes for this season, before they tear down the sets and release the talent. Let Manny Coto write a worthy series (maybe franchise) finale as a two-hour "telefilm." Make it about the founding of the Federation. If available, get Jonathan Frakes to direct it. Spend a bit more time in post-production to make it really special and save it for airing during the Fall sweeps period.
I can see that it is unreasonable to expect another season of Enterprise on UPN (or elsewhere), but surely, Paramount's investment in just two more hours of Enterprise would be worthwhile. If UPN doesn't want it, sell it to the SciFi Channel as a one-time special event.
I'd be satisfied with something like that...
Since both Star Trek and Star Wars franchises are coming to an end individually, surely they could be merged (somehow) with an interesting twist to preserve and promulgate the best of both story lines ?
They wanted to somehow raise money to save Enterprise but now they have to pay for the huge bandwidth cost because they got /.'d LoL
That show only got one season. :(
...the "We've written ourselves into a corner - use the 'get out of jail free' time travel card".
Time travel well placed into the story, with some subtlety, and not too paradox-inducing can be brilliant - Babylon 5 was.
Temporal wars are like taking what's already a nuke, and turn it into a nuclear holocaust for the series.
Basicly, my feel of the enterprise was that they were planning to "get to" the forming of the federation, but didn't want to play that card just yet, and they didn't know what the "rest" would be about.. so what do we need? some story arc to go off on before that. Is there another story arc but the federation thing? Writers, meet corner. Play the time travel card.
Kjella
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So what's everyone's problem with Enterprise? I actually think it's fun to watch..
You know, those Law and Order shows have been doing great so far for NBC, maybe Paramount should do a Law and Order-type show where you see Starfleet lawyers and investigators doing their day to day thing. No multi-episode story arcs, keep it all self-contained in a single hour-long episode.
Though obviously it'd be more ala JAG since Starfleet is military and all. But you get the idea. And imagine the possibilities with having to deal with different cultures laws from time to time. Fun, fun!
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Man, all I was waiting for was a nice Picasso; a good old-fashioned fatal transporter accident, just like what happened to the two crewman (a Vulcan male and some chick) beaming aboard in the first Star Trek movie (ST:TMP).
:)
Ahhh... Nothing like a physically-deforming, screaming, PAINFUL death to pick things up, eh?
That is what I was waiting for, since "quantum mode" of the transporter is still new to the Enterprise crew.
(Oh, and that little one where the "father of the transporter" materialized his son and killed him does not count! With a degraded pattern, he should have materialized deformed -- he looked pretty normal to me lying dead on the deck...)
Oh, well. Guess I will have wait for another series or movie. Or invent the transporter myself! Anyone want to go it first? I will make sure no fly gets in with 'ya!!!
-=- James.
huh, thought it was canceled a couple years ago. 'nuff said.
You're forgetting the absolutely horrid theme song.
I never watched because I kept barfing when that song came on. Totally killed any chance of suspension of disbelief.
"Consider the lillies of the goddamn field."
...They were trying to kill it...
END OF STORY.
They put it on Friday night against the most powerful SCI-FI line up in years, Stargate, Stargate Atlantis, and BattleStar Glactica!
The Season Started Late!
After the first 8 shows (I think it was 8) they started re-running!
Then the first new show was UM weak! Thats the word.
No Wonder it died.
The show had alot of potential however its never truely been realized, the character balence has been totally wrong.
Power Corrupts,Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely, leaving one person(group)in charge is absolutely corrupt.
If I had mod points I'd give them to you. Crime and Terrorism have replaced hope and futurism.
Don't you people see the potential here? This cancellation opens up a time slot that can be used for a new teen drama, or even (dare I dream?) TWO mediocre sitcoms!
Be still, my heart!
I wish that my inferiority complex were as good as yours.
-RenderHead
Instead of fans paying money for ads to save the show, why not ask the fans to donate money directly to the ones making the show???
X USD and it's kept alive for another season.
Y USD and it's kept alive, and released for free on the Net.
Less than X USD and the money (less fees/costs) is returned...
The street performer protocol saving ST: Enterprise?!
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They are doing well FOR CABLE. Which isn't very well at all. I mean, how hard is it to beat an Anaconda TV show's rating? How you seen what's on Sci-Fi lately? Can't we have new Sliders instead?
People forget the shows always stink. Try watching ST:TNG sometime. After the first season, it's a little repetitive. Of course, then Voyager was REALY repetitive. I can get better production values in a 10 year old StarCraft game,....so ....
They obviously don't have the budget to do things right. Aliens are always humans with makeup. That drives me crazy. It's 2005, and ST can't do better? Just publish a couple of Star Trek: Pirates videogames, let people plunder, loot and futz with transport settings (within ship, ship to ship, ship to planet, and...PUREE!). Charge 60$ on the next systems, and you'll have enough money to make the movie in a month.
Why don't they hire ME?
It's about time.
1. It IS getting good in its fourth season.
2. There has been a Star Trek show on the air for nearly two decades. Crappy as Enterprise has been, this IS the end of an era.
3. There's a better than even chance that Enterprise's replacement will be a crappy (un)reality show.
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
was getting a 'cease and decist' from Paramount when I downloaded a missed episode over BT. I got fucked for being a fan. I avoid all Paramount productions now, and encourage others to do the same. Sadly, no more Star Trek - But dealing with them is akin to selling your soul.
I have read slash dot for a long time and this is the first time post but I have to say ST:E was enjoyable. It was slow the first season but damn, it's gotten a lot better. I Can't believe UPN Is cancelling the show because it only brings in 2.5 million viewers. Like UPN has any other good shows which bring in more then that......
2.5 million is HUGE numbers. In Haiti thats like a 3rd of the population. I might hate enterprise but Jesus christ give it a break with figures that high. -
-Colin
It's dead, Jim!
I would be curious as to what market you reside in, because in some of them, prime programming has to get preempted on occasion for sports. I work in television research and I know that in Phoenix, for example, prime gets preempted for Suns basketball a lot. One thing is for sure, though, your cable company has nothing to do with the preemptions. It's definitely the local station that is to "blame" because they're the ones who sign the contracts to broadcast sporting events and they're the ones who preempt for sports at will.
For me Enterprise really wasn't StarTrek at all. Ok, maybe 3%. It was on of THE biggest StarTrek disappointments I've ever had. It started out "OK" when went downhill FAST from there. It seems to me that the powers that be for the show WANTED to make it bad enough that it would be killed and they would never be asked for another StarTrek show in the future. So much opportunity to be the Prequel to StarTrek. Instead it turned into a 14 year old hormone charged space show. All it was missing were G-string bikinis instead of the skin tight uniforms on the main female characters. What a shame. What a loss.
Those two 30 minute shows int he middle of the night wouldn't happen to be Gundam Seed and Dot Hack: Legend of the twilight bracelet on Carttoon Network? Would they?
Tsukasa: All I really want, is to be left alone...
Anyone get the feeling that the people at Williams Street are major SG-1 fans. There have been references to SG-1 in both Sealab 2021 and Aqua Teen Hunger Force.
Tsukasa: All I really want, is to be left alone...
is that it didn't work for bloody product placement.
Who cares how good any TV series or movie is as long some assholes can use it for market?
Now, let's get all to our knees and thank our holy sales droids... NOT
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The only way to save Star Trek at this point would be to start a spinoff where T'Pol and Seven of Nine set up a remote colony on the Planet Without Clothes.
Good riddance, although I will miss looking at T'pal. The episode where she had to get decontaminated in a sauna in her undewear was pretty nice :)
According to IMDB:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0383588/
Sam and Al will both star in it, but that's all the info they have.
Hopefully it'll be good.
the stories were getting better...not to mention, it was a hell of a lot better than Voyager.
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That could be, but at least he demonstrated that he does have taste. This is not to say that you don't, but I think it was pretty clear that he was talking about GOOD Sci-Fi.
He made his point with constructive criticism, whereas it looks like you got hit by a pet peeve and nit-picked even though you are, techincally, correct.
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I enjoyed the first couple of seasons ... and then suffered through the Xindi stuff ... and then just when I was starting to enjoy it again ... the fools cancel it.
This is one of the few shows I watch regularly, too. And now, after this "failure" (as it will surely be considered, after such a short run), we probably will not be getting any more Trek series for a while. Well, I guess I can catch up on my rerun-watching. (I was very young when TNG started, so many of those episodes seem new to me.)
I've been watching plenty of shows, but haven't turned on my television in months.
BT is a wonderful thing, my friend. No commercials, just content.
The key to enjoying television is to be able to watch it with a critical eye. But you already know that, don't you.
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This was a beautiful summation of why I love Star Trek.
Thank you. I'm saving this post.
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Look when you put Enterprise up against 4 other SCIFI shows. They didn't want it to continue. The signed a DEATH WARRANT to the series by putting it up against SCIFI's friday night line up. I sure hope UPN sell's the rights to the series to someone the likes of SCIFI. Would be nice to see what they would do with the show and series.
Better yet, less that Z USD and they bring back Voyager.
If you mod me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
Since the beginning of this series, I have been a loyal watcher. Each season this show has got better and better. Funny thing is, I'm not really an avid sci-fi viewer. There was really nothing else on that night that caught my eye. This show stood out. It was written very well from the start and the characters have grown in depth with each season. The writing only gets better with every show and now they want to take it off the air. What a waste. I suppose they will replace it with another reality show, the thought of that just sickens me.
The one thing that the networks do not understand is that the Nielson ratings do not represent an accurate count of who watch's their shows. What viewers don't understand is that to really make our voices heard we need to jam their phonelines with our protests. Call the network. Complain. The more the better. An ad in a newspaper does not represent the millions who will miss this show. Ads do not tell the story of how many will miss this show.
If they do cancel this show, I hope another network will see it's potential and pick it up. Just because the UPN network is foolish enough to give up, I hope that another network will see the hardwork and determination the fan's show for keeping Enterprise on the air.
Above all else please God, do not put another reality show on the air.