there is a big difference between manufacturing the hardware in china, and them designing it.
sorry folks but that made in china sticker doesn't mean jack shit.
it was designed and the plans sent to china from the usa most likely.
the fact is, i luagh in the face of the idea of india and china doing all this. can you imagine the shody hardware and software? hahahha
he's not giving the full story, "a bit of a spam issue".
piss off he had 100000000 of spam comingout an unsecured ms exchange server or something, and maps rightly blocked him.
i consider it fair punishment for poor administration.
so you think all IT systems in europe would grind to a halt if MS stopped selling it's products there?
i'm trying hard not to insult your intellegence here.
if they did that, people would just migrate to another platform, and instead of spending billions on shit software, admins like me might be paid some of that cash to maintain IT system's that WORK.
good i fucking hope MS pull out, it'll be the begining of the end for them if they do.
"The next significant step in computing will be an OS that becomes much more proactive; it watches and learns what you like to do, and over time it will perform tasks on your behalf without being instructed to.."
i sincerely hope this never happens. i can't think of anything more fucking annoying then a pc that does what it wants, not what it's told. it's bad enough as it is right now with windows.
of course, your just spouting bullshit like some unsanitary fountain, so typical.
hardware support is want makes or breaks an os commercially. sure sysadmins and geeks don't mind loading that kernel module in order to make something work, but anyone buying an apple wants to just plug in shit and go, at worst put in a cd and click through some simple wizards.
this crap about beOS coming back is all FUD, it doesn't support jack shit hardware.
your wrong. i have exactly the same expereince and my attitude hasn't changed. i've always enjoyed my work and done it to the best of my ability.
i think part of the problem is the american corperate culture thats beginning to take hold here in AU. also, computers are convenient to blame, and hence the shit rolls down on to you.
i've learnt that you don't allow anyone to treat you like crap, they try it once and when you bite back they never try again.
the ONLY way to securly wipe a hd is with a blow torch.
no if's, no buts.
the fact that ms are doing this proves to the world they don't have a clue about security
i've worked in and coded vb6, it's a POS.
i don't care if it's unsupported, business's SHOULD be rushing to piss it off and go with a decent language that allows them to run a decent OS.
this is why i can't understand the big deal with packing.
distro's so shit things with packaging, so why cry about it being taken out.
i'm a freebsd user, i just use ports. it works perfectly.
gnome 2.6 is my desktop. has been for 12 months. i've written 2 business managment apps under it. it was easy and fast.
i never have to struggle with my pc, ever.
my previous job had me battling windows 24/7, moving to gnome was like being reborn.
so in short, i say again, this isn't even news.
"slackware is dieing" - sucked in from a freebsd user.
just because they aren't packaging gnome, how is this stopping you from using it? they don't have time to support 2 ui's, so they've gone with supporting the simplest one. i'd do the same thing. this isn't even a story.
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how is network booting a bad idea. if i want to change the configuration all i do is change the boot image. with your flash card idea you need to pyshically go around changing cards, which is a shit idea.
it sounds a lot like many people on here stick to crappy admin practises in order to maintain a certain level of pointless busy work to justify their jobs.
another thing people aren't considering, is which to trust more, a $500 top of the line scsi disk in a clean well maintained server room, or a scabby cheap shit ide from dell in a pc sitting under the desk gathering dust?
i know which is going to fail first
we aren't talking about some pussy little 10 pc office.
"You need far, far more server resources to run all your applications at a central point than if you distribute them to your workstations"
what the hell do you base that on? since your talking about "10 pc's" i can safely assume it's not experience.
the problem is, that users don't like to be forced to do things correctly, which is what thin clients enable you to do. they like to be able to plug in their usb hd and use the company internet to download porn and mp3's.
this is the reason fat desktops were so successfully marketed in the first place, because it took control from admins and the pointy heads like the idea of haveing them.
nonsense. do you know why people moved to fat desktop's in the frist place? marketing, not techncial reasons. i will list the technical benfits 1. terminals have no moving parts 2. cheaper 3. centrally managed 4. very easy to roll out. a typical ms desktop pc can't even compare. i admin org's with both and the one with terminals, i get 1 support call a month at the most. your arguement relies on "we have the power lets us it" but you never will. corperate users don't need 3d graphics and a 3ghz cpu. instead of "lets use it" how about "let's use it wisely"?
haha fuck off "my next mercedes". your probably some white trash cunt who can't even write something decent, even in a POS language like PHP.
thats why you post as AC.
i loath PHP but i'd say it's in the top 3 web technologies used, after html and java.
women just don't get computers.
they have no intrest in them what so ever. I know women who work as web developers and they still don't really understand anything past the creative side.
if a group of people have no intrest in something, stop trying to force them to be for fucks sake. the last thing we need is more unhappy bitchy people in IT
I brought it up because the full "integrated" experience is important to me. Firefox uses Gnome's mime handler but naught else. If I were to switch to Gnome I would be more likely to stay if the browser were nicely integrated with the environment. (think consistent UI experience). Konqueror may be lacking in compatibility with web sites but what it lacks it makes up for with gratuitous integration with the KDE environment and libraries.
fire fox is no more intergrated into KDE then it is to gnome, unless your comparing konquerer to ephihany, get off the wagon.
I can kinda see where you're coming from. I have openned up a new KDE app on occasion and felt dizzy from the massive array of buttons and widgets thrown at me. Once I spend a little time though, the interface becomes familiar and useful.
kde is a mess of buttons and widgets. it's also much slower.
i will say on the other hand, that i like your ideas for being able to rename tabs.
gnome does have a ways to go before i find it really nice, but it also has a lot of other options that make it the right tool for me which kde can't compete with atm.
i will definately be trying out 2.10
the thing that frightens the hell out of MS and others who's market share is being eaten by linux, is linux is like quicksand. they fight and struggle as best they know how but they just keep sinking. the frigthening reality for companies like MS is they know they can't stop people developing their own software and giving it away. hence the totally rediculous suggestions that terrorist's can hijack OSS. it's an attempt to outlaw OSS.
mark obviously hasn't used a windows computer much, or he'd see teh nightmare of clashing incompatable settings and app that are typically installed. sure linux is very self incompatable sometimes, but if you stick to installing the packages and not making your life complex past that, it's a damn sight easier then windows.
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there is a big difference between manufacturing the hardware in china, and them designing it. sorry folks but that made in china sticker doesn't mean jack shit. it was designed and the plans sent to china from the usa most likely. the fact is, i luagh in the face of the idea of india and china doing all this. can you imagine the shody hardware and software? hahahha
what so they should provide you with a free service AND answer your calls 24/7? haha like fuck
he's not giving the full story, "a bit of a spam issue". piss off he had 100000000 of spam comingout an unsecured ms exchange server or something, and maps rightly blocked him. i consider it fair punishment for poor administration.
look out here we go...
so you think all IT systems in europe would grind to a halt if MS stopped selling it's products there? i'm trying hard not to insult your intellegence here. if they did that, people would just migrate to another platform, and instead of spending billions on shit software, admins like me might be paid some of that cash to maintain IT system's that WORK. good i fucking hope MS pull out, it'll be the begining of the end for them if they do.
is fags, because it's 2 horny blokes. 99.9999% of women just won't go for this.
"The next significant step in computing will be an OS that becomes much more proactive; it watches and learns what you like to do, and over time it will perform tasks on your behalf without being instructed to.." i sincerely hope this never happens. i can't think of anything more fucking annoying then a pc that does what it wants, not what it's told. it's bad enough as it is right now with windows. of course, your just spouting bullshit like some unsanitary fountain, so typical.
hardware support is want makes or breaks an os commercially. sure sysadmins and geeks don't mind loading that kernel module in order to make something work, but anyone buying an apple wants to just plug in shit and go, at worst put in a cd and click through some simple wizards. this crap about beOS coming back is all FUD, it doesn't support jack shit hardware.
there's already more the a page of it.
your wrong. i have exactly the same expereince and my attitude hasn't changed. i've always enjoyed my work and done it to the best of my ability. i think part of the problem is the american corperate culture thats beginning to take hold here in AU. also, computers are convenient to blame, and hence the shit rolls down on to you. i've learnt that you don't allow anyone to treat you like crap, they try it once and when you bite back they never try again.
stop defending their lack of releases and admit it's a problem, then do something to fix it. anything makes you look like a bunch of idiots
the ONLY way to securly wipe a hd is with a blow torch. no if's, no buts. the fact that ms are doing this proves to the world they don't have a clue about security
i've worked in and coded vb6, it's a POS. i don't care if it's unsupported, business's SHOULD be rushing to piss it off and go with a decent language that allows them to run a decent OS.
this is why i can't understand the big deal with packing. distro's so shit things with packaging, so why cry about it being taken out. i'm a freebsd user, i just use ports. it works perfectly. gnome 2.6 is my desktop. has been for 12 months. i've written 2 business managment apps under it. it was easy and fast. i never have to struggle with my pc, ever. my previous job had me battling windows 24/7, moving to gnome was like being reborn. so in short, i say again, this isn't even news. "slackware is dieing" - sucked in from a freebsd user.
just because they aren't packaging gnome, how is this stopping you from using it?
they don't have time to support 2 ui's, so they've gone with supporting the simplest one. i'd do the same thing. this isn't even a story.
how is network booting a bad idea. if i want to change the configuration all i do is change the boot image. with your flash card idea you need to pyshically go around changing cards, which is a shit idea. it sounds a lot like many people on here stick to crappy admin practises in order to maintain a certain level of pointless busy work to justify their jobs.
another thing people aren't considering, is which to trust more, a $500 top of the line scsi disk in a clean well maintained server room, or a scabby cheap shit ide from dell in a pc sitting under the desk gathering dust? i know which is going to fail first
we aren't talking about some pussy little 10 pc office. "You need far, far more server resources to run all your applications at a central point than if you distribute them to your workstations" what the hell do you base that on? since your talking about "10 pc's" i can safely assume it's not experience. the problem is, that users don't like to be forced to do things correctly, which is what thin clients enable you to do. they like to be able to plug in their usb hd and use the company internet to download porn and mp3's. this is the reason fat desktops were so successfully marketed in the first place, because it took control from admins and the pointy heads like the idea of haveing them.
nonsense.
do you know why people moved to fat desktop's in the frist place? marketing, not techncial reasons. i will list the technical benfits
1. terminals have no moving parts
2. cheaper
3. centrally managed
4. very easy to roll out.
a typical ms desktop pc can't even compare. i admin org's with both and the one with terminals, i get 1 support call a month at the most.
your arguement relies on "we have the power lets us it" but you never will. corperate users don't need 3d graphics and a 3ghz cpu. instead of "lets use it" how about "let's use it wisely"?
haha fuck off "my next mercedes". your probably some white trash cunt who can't even write something decent, even in a POS language like PHP. thats why you post as AC. i loath PHP but i'd say it's in the top 3 web technologies used, after html and java.
women just don't get computers. they have no intrest in them what so ever. I know women who work as web developers and they still don't really understand anything past the creative side. if a group of people have no intrest in something, stop trying to force them to be for fucks sake. the last thing we need is more unhappy bitchy people in IT
i'd just tell them to fuck off and get off my property. i'd call 000 and say i'm being robbed please send the cops.
I brought it up because the full "integrated" experience is important to me. Firefox uses Gnome's mime handler but naught else. If I were to switch to Gnome I would be more likely to stay if the browser were nicely integrated with the environment. (think consistent UI experience). Konqueror may be lacking in compatibility with web sites but what it lacks it makes up for with gratuitous integration with the KDE environment and libraries. fire fox is no more intergrated into KDE then it is to gnome, unless your comparing konquerer to ephihany, get off the wagon. I can kinda see where you're coming from. I have openned up a new KDE app on occasion and felt dizzy from the massive array of buttons and widgets thrown at me. Once I spend a little time though, the interface becomes familiar and useful. kde is a mess of buttons and widgets. it's also much slower. i will say on the other hand, that i like your ideas for being able to rename tabs. gnome does have a ways to go before i find it really nice, but it also has a lot of other options that make it the right tool for me which kde can't compete with atm. i will definately be trying out 2.10
the thing that frightens the hell out of MS and others who's market share is being eaten by linux, is linux is like quicksand. they fight and struggle as best they know how but they just keep sinking. the frigthening reality for companies like MS is they know they can't stop people developing their own software and giving it away. hence the totally rediculous suggestions that terrorist's can hijack OSS. it's an attempt to outlaw OSS.
mark obviously hasn't used a windows computer much, or he'd see teh nightmare of clashing incompatable settings and app that are typically installed. sure linux is very self incompatable sometimes, but if you stick to installing the packages and not making your life complex past that, it's a damn sight easier then windows.