SuSe is a KDE distribution and SuSE customers want KDE. Desktop-Linux means KDE in Europe. So what do some managers of Novell do? Listen to Ximian which is a developer's booth without a market.
Unbelievable. They ruin a distribution.
A real company would listen to customers first, then allocate the ressources to development. Suse was very good on that in the past.
A bad company is driven by engineering. The role of marketing is to sell what the developers invented or want to create.
I do not take this serious. If it was a serious offer you would not take it to the press like this. So this is only a marketing attempt to incite the impression that Linspire competes with Windows which in fact is not true.
Nobody in Korea wants Linspire.
However Linspire uses KDE which is the right choice for the desktop from my perspective. But when I want a KDe distribution I will take Mandrake or Suse which are better and for free. So...
Btw: What was the name of that Korean Office Suite for Linux?
Linspire: Vapor marketing plus media campaign against "evil Microsoft" (which press like so much). What a joke of a company! What gave trust in Linspire were support for the Wine Conf and the like. But Linspire started with a Vapour-announcement to support Win-Apps which turned out to be a simple investment in Wine. But Linspire broke this promise. They did not really support Wine. So I cannot take them serious anymore. Now Wine is 0.9 despite Linspire's broken committments.
We always get new and existing news from them but nothing substancial. Linspire seems to be no trustworthy company from my perspective.
Internet governance was coined by some academics from the civil society who lobbied UN and EU on that. It was not the UN or the EU who started this discussion, they were more drained into discussions.
I agree on most points you made.
- even ICANN is too much institution for the simple DNS issue - the DNS shall at best be controlled by a body who is not able to interfere. - do not make a national case our of it. Most anti-EU sentiment is unfounded here.
However the rhetorics of this US delegate is bullshit and arogant. He assumes that the DNS is a kind of Internet government and gives control over the net. And he believes that the net belongs to the US. Which is certainly not true. It is all about nothing, the dns system, so keep institutions low and resolve ICANN matters better than in the past.
Further: It was civil society who started all these Internet Governance discussions. Do not expect the EU or UN of having started discussions on that topic.
what I am a little bit concerned of is this unfounded anti-UN sentiment. I know and hate the UN as I hat communism but that does not make Amaerican anti-UN bashing and Anti-Communism attractive to me as it sound dumb and unfounded.
"I'm not sure that if I were some other country, even one as big as China, and certainly not one as frankly insignificant as France, that I would go tweaking the U.S. Government and the American people by demanding that it turn over control of one of its crown jewels, the Internet."
?? "its crown jewels"
Do the American people have "control of" the internet?
Sure, but that would mean more developers are needed to step in.
We currently do not even have diffs between Cocoa and GnuStep.
So nobody can observe what isn't there yet.
F. A. von Hayek, "'Free' Enterprise and Competitive Order". In Individualism and Economic Order, Chicago: U. of Chicago Press, 1948, p 113-114.
The problem of the prevention of monopoly and the prevention of competition is raised much more acutely in certain other fields to which the concept of property has been extended only in recent times. I am thinking here of the extension of the concept of property to such rights and privileges as patents for inventions, copyright, trade-marks, and the like. It seems to me beyond doubt that in these fields a slavish application of the concept of property as it has been developed for material things has done a great deal to foster the growth of monopoly and that here drastic reforms may be required if competition is to be made to work.[..] Patents, in particular, are specially interesting from our point of view because they provide so clear an illustration of how it is necessary in all such instances not to apply a ready-made formula but to go back to the rationale of the market system and to decide for each class what the precise rights are to be which the government ought to protect. This is a task at least as much for economists as for lawyers. Perhaps it is not a waste of your time if I illustrate what I have in mind by quoting a rather well-known decision in which an American judge argued that 'as to the suggestion that competitors were excluded from the use of the patent we answer that such exclusion may be said to have been the very essence of the right conferred by the patent' and adds 'as it is the privilege of any owner of property to use it or not to use it without any question of motive'. It is this last statement which seems to me to be significant for the way in which a mechanical extension of the property concept by lawyers has done so much to create undesirable and harmful privilege.
what is bad about working for Microsoft? I do not understand the anti-Ms attitude although I have personal reasons to object against business policies of Microsoft. Ani-Ms is in large parts irrational.
Who cares about Gartner? *Websites* are mission critical for most companies. And guess where will you migrate your old Unix IT. Most companies use PCs. And Linux on the desktop is possible now. Many companies are switching esp. in Europe and South America.
What is important now is to get the remaining issues done, fix the 90% solutions. That is, we need more paid developers for key infrastructure projects such as KDE, gcc, classpath, valgrind, etc. It is just a matter of time. We will get openoffice 2 and firefox 1.5 very soon. the desktop monopoly of windows is history.
It is a game they will lose, because they go too far. the more lobbyists they throw on them the worse it gets. Europe is not corrupt but it is a lack of representation of other views.
Think of a person who gets convicted in court, then asks the government to revise the court verdict, then sues the court for compension.
The whole verdict against microsoft shows who weak competition policy actually is. And you can expect that the EU Commission will get angry about them.
At the swpat debate a bunch of stupid MS lobbyists already crossed the line. MS has huge corporate affairs problems in the EU and this will get worse for them. The more people they get involved the more they lose.
Note: there are patent reform bill discussions in Congress but no one from FFII is involved yet. It is important and we need to get more US supporters to export the EU success.
"Isn't OpenOffice on Windows the same as OpenOffice on Linux? I see in the story at The Register that they have various office templates and scripts that they want to port to OpenOffice, yet why waste time removing Office from each machine, then installing OpenOffice, then getting all the scripts and templates to work, then having to recreate things when done again in the Linux environment? Why not just cut out the middle steps and go directly from Office on Windows, to OpenOffice on Linux?"
It is about the migration path. Obviously it goes like this.
the problem for the city is not OO.org or other software. It is their own taylored software. So they first switch to OpenOffice and then change the OS component when the other software is ported to Linux. Further it makes sense to wait with the Linux transformation and switch oo.org first.
OO switch and Linux switch are two seperate issues.
Perhaps, this might be the other reason there is some administrative resistence. But usually it goes like this. First the lead apes are switched, then the others want to follow.
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Talented people, real genius, think of Mozart and others... they are usually a little bit mad and they deserve tolerance.
They can take the freedom to be different and we have to understand that we have to adopt to them.
wikipedia article "After de Raadt stated his disapproval of the U.S.-led occupation of Iraq in an interview with Toronto's Globe and Mail, a multi-million-dollar US Department of Defense grant to the University of Pennsylvania's POSSE project was cancelled, effectively ending the project. Funding from the grant had been used in the development of OpenSSH and OpenBSD, as well as many other projects and was to be used to pay for the hackathon planned for the May 8, 2003. Despite money from the grant already having been used to secure accommodations for 60 developers for a week, the money was reclaimed by the government at a loss and the hotel told to not allow the developers to pay the reclaimed money to resecure the rooms. This resulted in criticism among some that the US military held an anti-free speech attitude."
What's bad about doing THE RIGHT THING? Even if you have to pay the price. This is what we want from a security specialist.
Is this solution secure? --> specialist: Well, blabla...quantum computing... marketing guy: Absolutely!
Go to Iraq? -->...
A trustful security specialist has to tell you the truth. Diplomacy serves stupidity and insecurity.
Military systems want "loyality", they do not want you to talk about problems, they want you to report that everything's fine. Because when you talk about problems it means work for them. That is why they fail, why they are dysfunctional from an organisational perspective. Dictorship simply means: organise the state like the military system. but the fact is: Problems make life intresting. Problems are no shame. Shutting down discussions about them does not solve them. Think negative!
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What "damage" did he do to Open source?
He annoys people....well...He is probably an asperger.
I have done a lot and won many battles.
Lessig is a propagandist. He inspires people but he does not act himself.
I know him quite well. He is helpful for the entertaining phase of a debate. But when it gets crucial he is not useful.
Lawrence Lessig raises awareness, he is a good communicator. I wonder why he does not actually act.
There is the A2k treaty project, we will get a development agenda for WIPo soon. Is Lessig accredited to WIPO? No, sure he isn't. You can make a dent there. Lawrence Lessig does not expect it to last 35 years...
Public domain -- it might be an US-only problem. Of course the works of Kafka and others are public domain in my legal system.
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The question is more: What will SuSE users say when SuSE is switched to GNOME. Who will buy it? SuSE is a KDE Distribution and that is their market.
In Europe you cannot conquer the Desktop market with Gnome.
SuSe is a KDE distribution and SuSE customers want KDE. Desktop-Linux means KDE in Europe. So what do some managers of Novell do? Listen to Ximian which is a developer's booth without a market.
Unbelievable. They ruin a distribution.
A real company would listen to customers first, then allocate the ressources to development. Suse was very good on that in the past.
A bad company is driven by engineering. The role of marketing is to sell what the developers invented or want to create.
The second approach is doomed to fail.
I do not take this serious. If it was a serious offer you would not take it to the press like this. So this is only a marketing attempt to incite the impression that Linspire competes with Windows which in fact is not true. Nobody in Korea wants Linspire. However Linspire uses KDE which is the right choice for the desktop from my perspective. But when I want a KDe distribution I will take Mandrake or Suse which are better and for free. So... Btw: What was the name of that Korean Office Suite for Linux? Linspire: Vapor marketing plus media campaign against "evil Microsoft" (which press like so much). What a joke of a company! What gave trust in Linspire were support for the Wine Conf and the like. But Linspire started with a Vapour-announcement to support Win-Apps which turned out to be a simple investment in Wine. But Linspire broke this promise. They did not really support Wine. So I cannot take them serious anymore. Now Wine is 0.9 despite Linspire's broken committments. We always get new and existing news from them but nothing substancial. Linspire seems to be no trustworthy company from my perspective.
Internet governance was coined by some academics from the civil society who lobbied UN and EU on that. It was not the UN or the EU who started this discussion, they were more drained into discussions.
I agree on most points you made.
- even ICANN is too much institution for the simple DNS issue
- the DNS shall at best be controlled by a body who is not able to interfere.
- do not make a national case our of it. Most anti-EU sentiment is unfounded here.
True.
I also support this as a European.
However the rhetorics of this US delegate is bullshit and arogant. He assumes that the DNS is a kind of Internet government and gives control over the net. And he believes that the net belongs to the US. Which is certainly not true. It is all about nothing, the dns system, so keep institutions low and resolve ICANN matters better than in the past.
Further: It was civil society who started all these Internet Governance discussions. Do not expect the EU or UN of having started discussions on that topic.
what I am a little bit concerned of is this unfounded anti-UN sentiment. I know and hate the UN as I hat communism but that does not make Amaerican anti-UN bashing and Anti-Communism attractive to me as it sound dumb and unfounded.
"I'm not sure that if I were some other country, even one as big as China, and certainly not one as frankly insignificant as France, that I would go tweaking the U.S. Government and the American people by demanding that it turn over control of one of its crown jewels, the Internet."
?? "its crown jewels"
Do the American people have "control of" the internet?
I guess France is more important than China.
So how many manyears have to go into GNUStep?
Sure, but that would mean more developers are needed to step in. We currently do not even have diffs between Cocoa and GnuStep. So nobody can observe what isn't there yet.
Guess this was a joke. :-)
However, is it possible to reimplement the Mac OS X APi based on GNUStep?
FFII promotes patent examination privatisation. Might be a solution.
F. A. von Hayek, "'Free' Enterprise and Competitive Order". In Individualism and Economic Order, Chicago: U. of Chicago Press, 1948, p 113-114.
The problem of the prevention of monopoly and the prevention of competition is raised much more acutely in certain other fields to which the concept of property has been extended only in recent times. I am thinking here of the extension of the concept of property to such rights and privileges as patents for inventions, copyright, trade-marks, and the like. It seems to me beyond doubt that in these fields a slavish application of the concept of property as it has been developed for material things has done a great deal to foster the growth of monopoly and that here drastic reforms may be required if competition is to be made to work.[..] Patents, in particular, are specially interesting from our point of view because they provide so clear an illustration of how it is necessary in all such instances not to apply a ready-made formula but to go back to the rationale of the market system and to decide for each class what the precise rights are to be which the government ought to protect.
This is a task at least as much for economists as for lawyers. Perhaps it is not a waste of your time if I illustrate what I have in mind by quoting a rather well-known decision in which an American judge argued that 'as to the suggestion that competitors were excluded from the use of the patent we
answer that such exclusion may be said to have been the very essence of the right conferred by the patent' and adds 'as it is the privilege of any owner of property to use it or not to use it without any question of motive'. It is this last statement which seems to me to be significant for the way in which a mechanical extension of the property concept by lawyers has done so much to create undesirable and harmful privilege.
what is bad about working for Microsoft? I do not understand the anti-Ms attitude although I have personal reasons to object against business policies of Microsoft. Ani-Ms is in large parts irrational.
Who cares about Gartner? *Websites* are mission critical for most companies. And guess where will you migrate your old Unix IT. Most companies use PCs. And Linux on the desktop is possible now. Many companies are switching esp. in Europe and South America.
What is important now is to get the remaining issues done, fix the 90% solutions. That is, we need more paid developers for key infrastructure projects such as KDE, gcc, classpath, valgrind, etc. It is just a matter of time. We will get openoffice 2 and firefox 1.5 very soon. the desktop monopoly of windows is history.
It is a game they will lose, because they go too far. the more lobbyists they throw on them the worse it gets. Europe is not corrupt but it is a lack of representation of other views.
The EU Commission has a lot options left.
It is certainly intresting how far they go.
Think of a person who gets convicted in court, then asks the government to revise the court verdict, then sues the court for compension.
The whole verdict against microsoft shows who weak competition policy actually is. And you can expect that the EU Commission will get angry about them.
At the swpat debate a bunch of stupid MS lobbyists already crossed the line. MS has huge corporate affairs problems in the EU and this will get worse for them. The more people they get involved the more they lose.
Bullshit, there are NATO standards. And who cares about such minor issues? After all it is about national contingents who get applied together.
Each tank unit caries its own ammunition. It is no problem with screws, why shall it be with ammunition?
There are two entirely different questions:
a) normative: do we need a patent system for sw
b) positive: do we have to get patents under a patent system which allows them
Answers
a) no. Get organised.
b) yes
If you want to fight software patents get organised. FFII did a wonderful job in Europe.
They also have an US list with only few subscribers yet. Please get subscribed. My experience is that it is all about critical mass.
http://lists.ffii.org/mailman/listinfo/us-parl
Note: there are patent reform bill discussions in Congress but no one from FFII is involved yet. It is important and we need to get more US supporters to export the EU success.
I hope Gnome gets a colour schme that plays better with KDE. Default colour scheme, themes, this shall be bridged.
"Isn't OpenOffice on Windows the same as OpenOffice on Linux? I see in the story at The Register that they have various office templates and scripts that they want to port to OpenOffice, yet why waste time removing Office from each machine, then installing OpenOffice, then getting all the scripts and templates to work, then having to recreate things when done again in the Linux environment? Why not just cut out the middle steps and go directly from Office on Windows, to OpenOffice on Linux?"
It is about the migration path. Obviously it goes like this.
the problem for the city is not OO.org or other software. It is their own taylored software. So they first switch to OpenOffice and then change the OS component when the other software is ported to Linux. Further it makes sense to wait with the Linux transformation and switch oo.org first.
OO switch and Linux switch are two seperate issues.
Perhaps, this might be the other reason there is some administrative resistence. But usually it goes like this. First the lead apes are switched, then the others want to follow.
Talented people, real genius, think of Mozart and others... they are usually a little bit mad and they deserve tolerance.
They can take the freedom to be different and we have to understand that we have to adopt to them.
wikipedia article "After de Raadt stated his disapproval of the U.S.-led occupation of Iraq in an interview with Toronto's Globe and Mail, a multi-million-dollar US Department of Defense grant to the University of Pennsylvania's POSSE project was cancelled, effectively ending the project. Funding from the grant had been used in the development of OpenSSH and OpenBSD, as well as many other projects and was to be used to pay for the hackathon planned for the May 8, 2003. Despite money from the grant already having been used to secure accommodations for 60 developers for a week, the money was reclaimed by the government at a loss and the hotel told to not allow the developers to pay the reclaimed money to resecure the rooms. This resulted in criticism among some that the US military held an anti-free speech attitude."
...
What's bad about doing THE RIGHT THING? Even if you have to pay the price. This is what we want from a security specialist.
Is this solution secure? -->
specialist: Well, blabla...quantum computing...
marketing guy: Absolutely!
Go to Iraq? -->
A trustful security specialist has to tell you the truth. Diplomacy serves stupidity and insecurity.
Military systems want "loyality", they do not want you to talk about problems, they want you to report that everything's fine. Because when you talk about problems it means work for them. That is why they fail, why they are dysfunctional from an organisational perspective. Dictorship simply means: organise the state like the military system. but the fact is: Problems make life intresting. Problems are no shame. Shutting down discussions about them does not solve them. Think negative!
What "damage" did he do to Open source?
...well...He is probably an asperger.
He annoys people.
I have done a lot and won many battles. Lessig is a propagandist. He inspires people but he does not act himself. I know him quite well. He is helpful for the entertaining phase of a debate. But when it gets crucial he is not useful.
Lawrence Lessig raises awareness, he is a good communicator. I wonder why he does not actually act.
There is the A2k treaty project, we will get a development agenda for WIPo soon. Is Lessig accredited to WIPO? No, sure he isn't. You can make a dent there. Lawrence Lessig does not expect it to last 35 years...
Public domain -- it might be an US-only problem. Of course the works of Kafka and others are public domain in my legal system.
Yes, and also consider that this article of the "XYZ"(!) experts is largely an advertisement for Linspire.
.NET implementation. KDE 4. OO 2.x
Now, there are cheaper and better distributions. As a German citizen Linspire is of little use for me. I need native language support.
Note that Wine 0.9 is close and I think we will see a boost in Wine compatibility soon. And then we have a free
I do not think Windows VISTA, a non-Vista Vista will be much better than Longporn.